Yankees After Pitching - Should The O's Be On This Too?

[olehippi]

There was some earlier talk of the O's being interested in Gavin Floyd, but it seems to have faded away. Now it appears the Yankees may be snooping around in Chicago. Could we match what the Yanks might offer?

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[maybe2050]

There was some earlier talk of the O's being interested in Gavin Floyd, but it seems to have faded away. Now it appears the Yankees may be snooping around in Chicago. Could we match what the Yanks might offer?

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Absolutely . Floyd would be my choice. I think given the "Good Stuff" that this article lists that the Yankees would have to give up (Brett Gardner or Jesus Montero) seems like little for a good arm. If we land Laroche or Lee to keep Scott in left, Reimold or Pie with a prospect should do it.

[WietersOvechkin]

Absolutely . Floyd would be my choice. I think given the "Good Stuff" that this article lists that the Yankees would have to give up (Brett Gardner or Jesus Montero) seems like little for a good arm. If we land Laroche or Lee to keep Scott in left, Reimold or Pie with a prospect should do it.

I don't mean to call you out but I see a lot of people around here overrating the O's prospects. IMO it would have to start at Pie/Reimold and Arrieta to get Floyd. I am not saying I would do the trade I am just saying to get talent you need to give up talent. Gardner and Montero are very valuable pieces, Reimold and Pie aren't in the same category. For a trade to make sense for both partied (especially a team like the White Sox who are trying to contend this year) the trade would have to hurt and I think that Arrieta and Pie/Reimold hurts enough for it to be close.

[RVAbird]

Absolutely . Floyd would be my choice. I think given the "Good Stuff" that this article lists that the Yankees would have to give up (Brett Gardner or Jesus Montero) seems like little for a good arm. If we land Laroche or Lee to keep Scott in left, Reimold or Pie with a prospect should do it.

Honest question: who do you think is BAL's equivalent of Brett Gardner and Jesus Montero?

Pie and Reimold aren't in the same class.

The Sox could stand to shave some payroll, and there have been rumors about Quentin being shopped. We should agree to take him on to make the package more reasonable.

[Mad Mark]

The Orioles aren't one pitcher away. Nor are they deep enough to be doing 3 for 1 deals involving 25-man roster guys yet. I say pass.

[GoldGlove21]

Honest question: who do you think is BAL's equivalent of Brett Gardner and Jesus Montero?

Pie and Reimold aren't in the same class.

The Sox could stand to shave some payroll, and there have been rumors about Quentin being shopped. We should agree to take him on to make the package more reasonable.

Yeah, Montero is an fantastic prospect. If he were in the Orioles sytem he probably would have been converted to first base by now or traded for our future first baseban. The guy was a top-10 prospect if I am not mistaken. He can mash the ball and if he were in our system he would probably be our best prospect, even a head of Machado due to the fact that he was much further along. Outside of Machado we do not have a position player who could touch him.

If I were calling the White Sox I would offer up Pie, Tillman, and another top-8 prospect, even then Montero along trumps our offer IMO.

[RVAbird]

The Orioles aren't one pitcher away. Nor are they deep enough to be doing 3 for 1 deals involving 25-man roster guys yet. I say pass.

They're also not deep enough to build a competitive roster from their farm system. And they're not going to spend big in FA. Creative trades are necessary if the organization is not going to change its spending and investment patterns.

If you take on a contract CHI doesn't want, you can think up a reasonable deal. Guys like Pie and JJ are solid but expendable. Tillman is the only real loss in the scenarios I've been discussing. He has question marks and the organization seems to want to block him with an innings-eater anyway.

Ultimately you have to ask yourself if you think the team is better with Floyd or Tillman. Floyd is 28, he is an established 2/3 starter, and he has been getting better each year. These are the trades we need to start making.

I understand building for long term success, but you can't keep saying we're not deep enough to trade from our stockpile. We've been doing this for 3.5 years now. Unless we get a new scouting director I don't see our draft spending and habits changing much. Unless we get a new GM, I don't see our FA spending and habits changing much.

If we are not going to be realistically competitive in 2012/13, then we aren't ever going to be with this core. It will be time for another rebuild if this team isn't consistently winning by then, because our core will be too expensive to maintain for the sake of a .500 club.

I can see passing and keeping Tillman, but he had better get 30 starts next season. Even then, we're putting a lot of faith in having a very high percentage of our young guys work out. As it stands we're relying on 4 homegrown pitchers to pan out and be successful around the same time. At some point you have to take a risk by dealing from that stockpile to get a proven, successful player. I think Floyd is the right target.

[mapierce]

Honest question: who do you think is BAL's equivalent of Brett Gardner and Jesus Montero?

Pie and Reimold aren't in the same class.

The Sox could stand to shave some payroll, and there have been rumors about Quentin being shopped. We should agree to take him on to make the package more reasonable.

Trade for Quentin. He could definitely add some more power to our lineup. Plus, Kenny never hesitates to make a trade.

[Bradysburns]

I don't mean to call you out but I see a lot of people around here overrating the O's prospects. IMO it would have to start at Pie/Reimold and Arrieta to get Floyd. I am not saying I would do the trade I am just saying to get talent you need to give up talent. Gardner and Montero are very valuable pieces, Reimold and Pie aren't in the same category. For a trade to make sense for both partied (especially a team like the White Sox who are trying to contend this year) the trade would have to hurt and I think that Arrieta and Pie/Reimold hurts enough for it to be close.

I don't know what the MLB exec perspective is, but I agree - we highly overrate our prospects in some cases. Reimold and Pie for a high middle-of-the-order starting pitcher, and a lefty? Yeah. I can hear the phone clicking in Chicago. And I'm not talking about a cell-phone disconnect that might be mistaken for them driving through a "bad cell." I'm talking about one of those giant plastic phones from the 1970s slamming down really hard, and bouncing a little before settling and disconnecting... to a blaring dial tone.