Giants @ Skins 01-02-11

[Mad Mark]

For the final game of part one of the 2011 pre-season, the New York Football Giants stumble into FedEx Field having lost two in a row after dominating wins over the Redskins and Vikings. What's left of the Redskins squad shuold be in a good mood after a gutty, hang-around-long-enough-for-the-other-team-to-hand-you-the-game performance in Jacksonville.
Who ya got? And why?

[Don Quixote]

The 'Skins will probably lose, and that's just based on track record. Of course, we can add the fact that the Giants have much motivation, with momentum restoration and a playoff berth on the line. If the 'Skins lose they can at least maintain some of the draft standing they blew last week by hanging around long enough to get handed the game.

[backwardsk]

I believe, right now, they would pick between 11 and 14. If they were to win, I think the furthest they could possibly fall to is 17 (that includes a Seattle win).

Regardless, I hope Green Bay wins their game and keeps the Giants out. I just want to see good effort by the guys who are fighting to be here next season (Montgomery, Grossman, Riley, Jackson, Jarmon, Barnes, Bryant). I'd love to see them go 3-3 in the division.

But the Giants have Devin Thomas, and Lavar Arrington told me that he has a heart of a champion, so it must be so.

Nicks is likely out again for NY.

[backwardsk]

After a mostly stagnant 1st half, Grossman leads a beautiful drive. Four straight completions of about 75 yards and then capped it off with a Fred Davis TD.

[OrioleMagic]

So if the Texans and Cowboys win and the Titans and Redskins lose, and Seattle loses tomorrow night... There will be 8 teams with a 6-10 record (Was, Dal, Det, Min, Sea, Hou, Ten and one of AZ/SF)

It might not work out that way, but how in the heck will they figure out who gets the 7th through 14th picks?? :scratchchinhmm:

Points for/Points against?

[backwardsk]

So if the Texans and Cowboys win and the Titans and Redskins lose, and Seattle loses tomorrow night... There will be 8 teams with a 6-10 record (Was, Dal, Det, Min, Sea, Hou, Ten and one of AZ/SF)

It might not work out that way, but how in the heck will they figure out who gets the 7th through 14th picks?? :scratchchinhmm:

Points for/Points against?

Yeah, I don't know exactly how those tie-breakers work. I remember last season the Chiefs and Skins had the same record and they alternated position each round. So I wonder if the team with the 7th pick in the first round would have the 14th pick in the second round.

[backwardsk]

That's the Redskins I know. Two turnovers in field goal range and a missed field goal under 30 yards. That's a good way to rack up points.

[OrioleMagic]

Doesn't look like Dallas will win anyway... Ten could beat Indy though... It's gonna be interesting for sure.

Last week when we beat Jax and Dal barely lost to AZ was critical.:(

[backwardsk]

Banks has been a great find for this team.

[OrioleMagic]

I so rarely root for Dallas... but today, I am happy they won. For draft pick reasons alone.

[backwardsk]

Doesn't look like Dallas will win anyway... Ten could beat Indy though... It's gonna be interesting for sure.

Last week when we beat Jax and Dal barely lost to AZ was critical.:(

Dallas just tied it up with under a minute to play.

Edit: just took the lead.

[OrioleMagic]

Banks has been a great find for this team.

Yes. I am a little leery about Shanahan after reading the WashPost interview of Schlereth.

[backwardsk]

Yes. I am a little leery about Shanahan after reading the WashPost interview of Schlereth.

I'll have to read that. I think the organization is in much, much better position than they were 12 months ago.

[Big Mac]

I was actually rooting for us to get a lower pick. I won't be able to stomach it if we draft Newton...

[OrioleMagic]

I'll have to read that. I think the organization is in much, much better position than they were 12 months ago.

I agree. I just hope Allen is more than just a puppet. If Shanny is poor at personnel moves, we need someone who is good to be off-setting Shanny's weakness. Add Snyder's history to that equation and I could see more money being blown and more botched selections like in Denver.

[allstar1579]

Yeah, I don't know exactly how those tie-breakers work. I remember last season the Chiefs and Skins had the same record and they alternated position each round. So I wonder if the team with the 7th pick in the first round would have the 14th pick in the second round.

The first tie breaker is strength of schedule. We should be middle of the pack, but it's hard to say how we'll stack up against the other 6 win teams. I know SEA will have a really low SOS because of their crappy division. HOU and TEN might have worse SOS than us too. DAL should be close to the same SOS but they have a better division record which is the 2nd tiebreaker so we'll finish below them.

Losing last week we could have finished 4-5 spots lower in the draft though...that's a HUGE difference when you are looking for a star in April.

[backwardsk]

The first tie breaker is strength of schedule. We should be middle of the pack, but it's hard to say how we'll stack up against the other 6 win teams. I know SEA will have a really low SOS because of their crappy division. HOU and TEN might have worse SOS than us too. DAL should be close to the same SOS but they have a better division record which is the 2nd tiebreaker so we'll finish below them.

Losing last week we could have finished 4-5 spots lower in the draft though...that's a HUGE difference when you are looking for a star in April.

Is that just a matter of adding up the wins of your opponents? The team whose opponents had the most wins has the toughest schedule?

[allstar1579]

Is that just a matter of adding up the wins of your opponents? The team whose opponents had the most wins has the toughest schedule?

It's something to that effect but it's a little more complicated. Not sure all the exact measurements. The league will do an updated SOS tomorrow or Tuesday I think after the games today are completed. Like if STL wins tonight it will raise the Skins SOS, and if SEA wins it will lower it. To get a rough idea look at the divisions first, like CLE and CIN would have a higher SOS because they have two 12 win teams they've played twice. But SF would have a lower one because they played STL, SEA and ARI twice each.

[backwardsk]

It's something to that effect but it's a little more complicated. Not sure all the exact measurements. The league will do an updated SOS tomorrow or Tuesday I think after the games today are completed. Like if STL wins tonight it will raise the Skins SOS, and if SEA wins it will lower it. To get a rough idea look at the divisions first, like CLE and CIN would have a higher SOS because they have two 12 win teams they've played twice. But SF would have a lower one because they played STL, SEA and ARI twice each.

So it appears that Dallas would have a weaker SOS than the Redskins. The schedule difference is that the Redskins played St L (7 or 8) and Tampa (10)and the Cowboys played Arizona (5) and NO (11).

I'm assuming the tied teams with the weaker SOS would pick first, correct?

[allstar1579]

So it appears that Dallas would have a weaker SOS than the Redskins. The schedule difference is that the Redskins played St L (7 or 8) and Tampa (10)and the Cowboys played Arizona (5) and NO (11).

I'm assuming the tied teams with the weaker SOS would pick first, correct?

At first glance you might be right, but that complication I was talking about is I THINK they factor in what a team's record was at the time they played, not just the season results. So like if STL was 0-4 when we played them and ARZ was 2-2 when they played them it would be weaker for us. But I'm not 100% if it's that complicated or not, I just thought I remembered a few years ago them talking about some crazy complicated equation for figuring out SOS.

And yes the tied teams, lower SOS goes first, and tied SOS goes by division record, then conference record, and finally coin flip.

[backwardsk]

At first glance you might be right, but that complication I was talking about is I THINK they factor in what a team's record was at the time they played, not just the season results. So like if STL was 0-4 when we played them and ARZ was 2-2 when they played them it would be weaker for us. But I'm not 100% if it's that complicated or not, I just thought I remembered a few years ago them talking about some crazy complicated equation for figuring out SOS.

And yes the tied teams, lower SOS goes first, and tied SOS goes by division record, then conference record, and finally coin flip.

That's interesting. And it sounds complicated as hell to try to figure out on my own. I tallied up the wins by opponents. It'll be interesting to see how this actually compares. (I'm making the assumption that St Louis wins. If Seattle wins, take them out and drop one win from Washington and Detroit)

Seattle: 124
Tennessee: 130
Dallas: 131
Washington: 133
Houston: 134
Minnesota: 138
Detroit: 140

[OrioleMagic]

says we got the 11th pick.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/1/2/1909955/2011-nfl-draft-order-broncos-bills-rams-seahawks

[backwardsk]

says we got the 11th pick.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/1/2/1909955/2011-nfl-draft-order-broncos-bills-rams-seahawks

So that lines up with what I have. If Seattle wins, Skins should move up to 10.