Tentative 11th pick in the 2011 Draft

[OrioleMagic]

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/1/2/1909955/2011-nfl-draft-order-broncos-bills-rams-seahawks

[Big Mac]

With the 11th overall pick the Redskins select....Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas.

[OrioleMagic]

I am not sure how we got the 11th pick... I'll google it again in the morning and see if there are any articles.

I would not be surprised if all 3 QBs are gone by the 11th pick.:(

[backwardsk]

With the 11th overall pick the Redskins select....Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas.

Ha. You're just hoping it's not Newton. :D

I think they'd get the 10th if Seattle wins.

Luck's decision will have a huge impact on the draft.

Team's ahead of the Redskins that need QBs:

Buffalo
Arizona
San Fransisco

and maybe,
Cincinnati
Tennessee

[Big Mac]

I am not sure how we got the 11th pick... I'll google it again in the morning and see if there are any articles.

I would not be surprised if all 3 QBs are gone by the 11th pick.:(

By all 3 QB's do you mean Luck, Newton, and Mallett? If they are gone by the 11th pick I'd be fine with taking Gabbert or trading down for Locker. I'd actually prefer those two over Newton.

[backwardsk]

I am not sure how we got the 11th pick... I'll google it again in the morning and see if there are any articles.

I would not be surprised if all 3 QBs are gone by the 11th pick.:(

If your link is correct, it's how they rank the teams with 6 wins by their opponents record from weakest to hardest. I would imagine if Seattle wins, then the Redskins will move up one spot.

[OrioleMagic]

By all 3 QB's do you mean Luck, Newton, and Mallett? If they are gone by the 11th pick I'd be fine with taking Gabbert or trading down for Locker. I'd actually prefer those two over Newton.

Yes! I am not a Newton fan either. I am curious about Locker, but leery due to the difference in performance between last year and this year.

Also, I don't see Gabbert going in the first round of any of the mock drafts...

I would love to see us trade up for Luck, but I think it is unrealistic.

[Big Mac]

Yes! I am not a Newton fan either. I am curious about Locker, but leery due to the difference in performance between last year and this year.

Also, I don't see Gabbert going in the first round of any of the mock drafts...

I would love to see us trade up for Luck, but I think it is unrealistic.

McShay has Gabbert rated as the #2 QB in the draft.

Locker is talented and has all the intangibles you look for in a quarterback. Having a horrible team around him really hurt Locker's production this season.

[backwardsk]

FYI...Scout's Inc has Paea DT at 10 and J Jenkins CB at 11.

Just based off of what I've read, I'd be interested in Akeem Ayers OLB UCLA.

[OrioleMagic]

McShay has Gabbert rated as the #2 QB in the draft.

Locker is talented and has all the intangibles you look for in a quarterback. Having a horrible team around him really hurt Locker's production this season.

Really?!?! That is good news. I don't have Insider. So 5 potential first round QBs.

If the Skins staff can just hit the jackpot. Based on Schlereth's article in the Post, I am scared.

[backwardsk]

Really?!?! That is good news. I don't have Insider. So 5 potential first round QBs.
If the Skins staff can just hit the jackpot. Based on Schlereth's article in the Post, I am scared.

Newton and Mallett are way down though at 29 and 31.

**These are on ESPN and not Insider if you want to look at the 1st round guys.

[OrioleMagic]

FYI...Scout's Inc has Paea DT at 10 and J Jenkins CB at 11.

Just based off of what I've read, I'd be interested in Akeem Ayers OLB UCLA.

We need a QB! Drafting one now may be a chance we can't miss. Where else will we get a better QB? It would have to be trade and Carson Palmer is the only name I have heard that is a current starter whose team might be sour on him.

[backwardsk]

We need a QB! Drafting one now may be a chance we can't miss. Where else will we get a better QB? It would have to be trade and Carson Palmer is the only name I have heard that is a current starter whose team might be sour on him.

We need a whole hell of a lot. I'm not opposed to getting a QB in the first round, but I wouldn't have tunnel vision and lock myself in on a certain position. Shanahan's going to grab a guy that he believes he can develop. He may find a guy with the 42, 43rd pick as well.

[OrioleMagic]

We need a whole hell of a lot. I'm not opposed to getting a QB in the first round, but I wouldn't have tunnel vision and lock myself in on a certain position. Shanahan's going to grab a guy that he believes he can develop. He may find a guy with the 42, 43rd pick as well.

Are you sure we have a second rounder?

Who would be a possibility?

[Big Mac]

Pretty sure Newton will be the second quarterback taken and picked in the top ten. Mallett will be right behind him.

I really like Gabbert but he will probably stay in school. Other intriguing guys we could get after the first are Ponder, Devlin, Stanzi, Foles, Kaepernick, McElroy and Dalton to name a few.

[backwardsk]

Are you sure we have a second rounder?

Who would be a possibility?

As of now, we do. We don't have a 3rd or 4th, but have 7 total. So it's 2 picks in 2 of the 5th, 6th, and 7th rounds.

Hopefully, they can get something for McNabb, Carter, and Haynesworth.

Big Mac provided a list. I'm pretty certain that Shanahan doesn't pay attention to these draftboards and if there is someone out there that fits his mold, he'll grab him.

[backwardsk]

Pretty sure Newton will be the second quarterback taken and picked in the top ten. Mallett will be right behind him.
I really like Gabbert but he will probably stay in school. Other intriguing guys we could get after the first are Ponder, Devlin, Stanzi, Foles, Kaepernick, McElroy and Dalton to name a few.

I'm assuming you're making the assumption that Luck comes out? Do you think it'll be Arizona that goes after him. Cowher said today that he predicts Arizona will trade for Kolb. If that happens, it'll put a wrinkle in the process.

[OrioleMagic]

As of now, we do. We don't have a 3rd or 4th, but have 7 total. So it's 2 picks in 2 of the 5th, 6th, and 7th rounds.

Hopefully, they can get something for McNabb, Carter, and Haynesworth.

Big Mac provided a list. I'm pretty certain that Shanahan doesn't pay attention to these draftboards and if there is someone out there that fits his mold, he'll grab him.

He did get success out of Jake Plummer... or at least someone did.:laughlol:

[Moose Milligan]

Why the hate on Newton? I'd love to grab him. Then again, I'm no college football expert.

I'd also like to land AJ Green.

But the fact is, we need talent on all sides of the ball, practically everywhere. Most years I have a favorite to draft or a position I want us to go after but the fact is that we need help everywhere.

I will say, however, that if we go after a QB with our #1 pick I hope we sit him until we have a good offensive line for him to play behind. I think a rookie QB would get killed for us right about now. I can't say I expect anything from the Skins in 2011 other than a disappointing season and if that means starting Rex and throwing him to the wolves while our future QB waits in the wings, soaks up the offense and stays on his feet, I'm fine with that.

[allstar1579]

Why the hate on Newton? I'd love to grab him. Then again, I'm no college football expert.

I'd also like to land AJ Green.

But the fact is, we need talent on all sides of the ball, practically everywhere. Most years I have a favorite to draft or a position I want us to go after but the fact is that we need help everywhere.

I will say, however, that if we go after a QB with our #1 pick I hope we sit him until we have a good offensive line for him to play behind. I think a rookie QB would get killed for us right about now. I can't say I expect anything from the Skins in 2011 other than a disappointing season and if that means starting Rex and throwing him to the wolves while our future QB waits in the wings, soaks up the offense and stays on his feet, I'm fine with that.

We played the best DL in all of football today, and aside from pressure up the middle they didn't do that bad. I expect to give up 3-4 sacks to such a good DL, especially with a non-mobile QB, but I think with a little improvement in the interior line and re-signing Brown we will be good there on the OL.

I do agree with an "internship" period though.

[Big Mac]

I'm assuming you're making the assumption that Luck comes out? Do you think it'll be Arizona that goes after him. Cowher said today that he predicts Arizona will trade for Kolb. If that happens, it'll put a wrinkle in the process.

If Harbaugh leaves Stanford Luck will come out. I could see Buffalo taking Newton.

[Moose Milligan]

We played the best DL in all of football today, and aside from pressure up the middle they didn't do that bad. I expect to give up 3-4 sacks to such a good DL, especially with a non-mobile QB, but I think with a little improvement in the interior line and re-signing Brown we will be good there on the OL.

I do agree with an "internship" period though.

I dunno man, sometimes they look great, other times they look like poop. They did look good today but I wouldn't expect performances like that from this unit all the time.

[mweb]

I'd be fine with them taking a QB if they were really excited about the guy, but I think it's foolish to have the position of needing to draft a QB in the first round.

[OrioleMagic]

We officially have the 10th pick.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/34930/projected-2011-nfl-draft-order

Would've had the 6th w/o the win over Jax in week 15.

[ilbm88]

I am a ravens fan, but i have a soft spot for the skins. The ravens built there team in the draft, and i think the best thing they can do is to trade down and get more picks, somewhere in the mid to the late teens. And then pick up blackmon the wr from oklahoma st. In the second round pick up christian ponder the qb from florida st.

[CrimsonTribe]

Missouri announces QB Blaine Gabbert will enter the NFL Draft

http://twitter.com/#!/schadjoe/statuses/22030585409048576

[Big Mac]

According to Joe Schad Blaine Gabbert will enter the NFL draft...

I'd love for him to fall into our lap.

EDIT: damn CrimsonTribe beat me to it

[ADAMWD_OsRavens]

Blaine Gabbert is an awful QB prospect, there is no excuse for McShay to have him anywhere near the top 32. I would imagine he has him there as a "I was the first guy to regard him highly" scenario just in case he turns into a good QB.

Terrible mechanics, poor accuracy, and zero glowing stats on his record. He's a third round project QB at best, and the Skins would be much better off with Newton, Mallett, or Locker. Looking at who's probably going to be available versus the Skins needs, it would probably be in their best interest to try and trade down.

[Big Mac]

Blaine Gabbert is an awful QB prospect, there is no excuse for McShay to have him anywhere near the top 32. I would imagine he has him there as a "I was the first guy to regard him highly" scenario just in case he turns into a good QB.

Terrible mechanics, poor accuracy, and zero glowing stats on his record. He's a third round project QB at best, and the Skins would be much better off with Newton, Mallett, or Locker. Looking at who's probably going to be available versus the Skins needs, it would probably be in their best interest to try and trade down.

He has a great combination of arm strength and mobility. He doesn't have glowing stats because he has a bunch of mediocre players around him.

He is definitely a better prospect than $cam Newton and Jake Locker. I think it's a toss up between him and Mallett. He'd be a great pick up for the Skins...

[allstar1579]

He has a great combination of arm strength and mobility. He doesn't have glowing stats because he has a bunch of mediocre players around him.

He is definitely a better prospect than $cam Newton and Jake Locker. I think it's a toss up between him and Mallett. He'd be a great pick up for the Skins...

It's these guys that usually mean trouble in the draft though. The ones that aren't touted through the year at all, and then suddenly come draft time they are a first round pick because they have great arm strength, or mobility, or whatever.

The only one I can remember in recent memory being decent is Flacco. That's like 1 for 50. I think the only REAL starting QB in the draft this year is Luck, the rest are buyer beware.

[Big Mac]

I think the only REAL starting QB in the draft this year is Luck, the rest are buyer beware.

But that's the case with almost all QB prospects.

There have been people touting Gabbert for awhile now, if you watch him play the kid is legit. He has a couple question marks sure, but no more than any QB not named Luck.

Mallett: Questions about mobility and accuracy on short passes. There's also a few character concerns here as well, nothing major and I think they can be corrected, but he needs to learn some humility.

Locker: Accuracy is a huge question mark. He has all the intangibles you look for in a QB and is a great leader/team first type of guy. However, it is somewhat of a red flag to me that he didn't win much in college, although I think that is mostly to do with the fact that he played on a team with a lot of guys that had no business playing in the pac-10.

Newton: Obviously character and integrity are huge issues here. Also how will he adapt to a pro-style offense? Compared to the offense he played in during college, the NFL is like an entirely different sport.

Everyone but Luck has question marks, with all those in mind I would rate the top 5 QB's in this order:

1. Luck
2. Gabbert
3. Locker
4. Mallett
5a. Newton
5b. Ponder

[mweb]

It's these guys that usually mean trouble in the draft though. The ones that aren't touted through the year at all, and then suddenly come draft time they are a first round pick because they have great arm strength, or mobility, or whatever.

The only one I can remember in recent memory being decent is Flacco. That's like 1 for 50. I think the only REAL starting QB in the draft this year is Luck, the rest are buyer beware.

Was Josh Freeman highly touted before around this time of year?

[Moose Milligan]

I think there's no doubt we take a QB with the first pick. Shanny was right about Sam Bradford...here's hoping he's right about the QB's in the draft this year, too...

[allstar1579]

Was Josh Freeman highly touted before around this time of year?

Actually, yeah he had a good bit of buzz when he was at K-State.

[mweb]

Actually, yeah he had a good bit of buzz when he was at K-State.

If you say so, but I don't think when a guy starts to get touted is really something that should be a factor.

[OrioleMagic]

ESPN Insider said Shanny was interested in Locker last year... it predicted that the Skins would trade down to acquire a 3rd or 4th rounder and quite possibly will pick Locker in the lower half of the first round.

I think this all will shake out on draft day. If a top ten WR like Green falls to ten, they may have to take him and figure out a way to trade up to get Locker.

I just hope someone in the NFL will give us a couple picks for Haynesworth and McNabb.

[allstar1579]

If you say so, but I don't think when a guy starts to get touted is really something that should be a factor.

It's not, it's more coincidental, but I'm just pointing out that every year those guys get all hyped going into the draft and then turn out to be bums. How far back do you want to go on it? Ryan Leaf? Trent Dilfer? Patrick Ramsey? I'm not saying that only the hyped QB do well, I'm saying that not many of the QB do well at all, and usually the ones who do you've heard about before the draft.

Just saying that there seems to be like 4-5 QB talked about in the first round every year, and it's really rare for more than one or two of them tops to do anything. Years where multiple do well are considered HUGE years, like '83, and '04. Even '99 was talked about as being sooo amazing, and what happened to Akili Smith? Tim Couch? Culpepper?

[mweb]

It's not, it's more coincidental, but I'm just pointing out that every year those guys get all hyped going into the draft and then turn out to be bums. How far back do you want to go on it? Ryan Leaf? Trent Dilfer? Patrick Ramsey? I'm not saying that only the hyped QB do well, I'm saying that not many of the QB do well at all, and usually the ones who do you've heard about before the draft.

Just saying that there seems to be like 4-5 QB talked about in the first round every year, and it's really rare for more than one or two of them tops to do anything. Years where multiple do well are considered HUGE years, like '83, and '04. Even '99 was talked about as being sooo amazing, and what happened to Akili Smith? Tim Couch? Culpepper?

Yes, many first round QB's don't work out that well, and that's why I don't agree with the people who think they have to pick a QB in the 1st round. I'm just questioning the relevance of when a guy starts to be touted.

[mweb]

BTW, would anyone support dealing Cooley for a pick or two? I think Davis can step right in and do as good of a job, so I'd deal Cooley if the return is decent.

[ccbird]

Yes, many first round QB's don't work out that well, and that's why I don't agree with the people who think they have to pick a QB in the 1st round. I'm just questioning the relevance of when a guy starts to be touted.

If you want a franchise QB you better plan on using a 1st round pick. Most likely to draft him but if not than to trade for him. Outside of Brady, Romo and Garrard(if you consider him good) all of the good QBs were drafted or picked up with a 1st round pick. Hell, even the medicore ones are 1st round picks(Campbell,Sanchez,Eli).

[backwardsk]

If you want a franchise QB you better plan on using a 1st round pick. Most likely to draft him but if not than to trade for him. Outside of Brady, Romo and Garrard(if you consider him good) all of the good QBs were drafted or picked up with a 1st round pick.

I'd add Schaub to that list. And Orton and Cassell had really good years as well. Brees was a second rounder (although you could argue that he's basically a 1st because he was the 32nd pick)

But to your point, most good teams have a 1st rounder as their starter:

12 playoff teams
8 1st rounders
2 Number 1 overalls.

[mweb]

If you want a franchise QB you better plan on using a 1st round pick. Most likely to draft him but if not than to trade for him. Outside of Brady, Romo and Garrard(if you consider him good) all of the good QBs were drafted or picked up with a 1st round pick.

Brees is a franchise QB. Favre was. Schaub and Cassel are quite good as well. I should clarify however and go back to my previous position that I don't think you need to take a QB in the top 5 or 10 picks like some seem to think. So they don't have to trade up or pick one at 10, they can drop down in the 1st and pick a QB. I'd also be perfectly fine with them not taking a QB at all this off-season since there is a lot that needs to be addressed.

[backwardsk]

Brees is a franchise QB. Favre was. Schaub and Cassel are quite good as well. I should clarify however and go back to my previous position that I don't think you need to take a QB in the top 5 or 10 picks like some seem to think. So they don't have to trade up or pick one at 10, they can drop down in the 1st and pick a QB. I'd also be perfectly fine with them not taking a QB at all this off-season since there is a lot that needs to be addressed.

I don't think you'll have to worry about Shanahan reaching for a QB. I'm sure he has two-three guys in mind that he feels would be a good fit and will take one if they are available. I also wouldn't be surprised if they view Beck as an option.

[mweb]

From a previous thread where it seemed like a top 5 pick was somewhat likely (QB ratings have changed since):

There are other ways to get good QB production rather than picking one in the top 5 or so picks.

Of the top 15 QB's by QB rating this season:

4 were picked in the top 5
6 were picked in the top 15
8 were picked in the first round
9 were picked in the top two rounds.

I'm not oppossed to picking a guy at the top of the draft, but I wouldn't paint myself in a corner of having to take a QB there.

[ccbird]

I'd add Schaub to that list. And Orton and Cassell had really good years as well. Brees was a second rounder (although you could argue that he's basically a 1st because he was the 32nd pick)

But to your point, most good teams have a 1st rounder as their starter:

12 playoff teams
8 1st rounders
2 Number 1 overalls.

Yes, Brees and Favre both went at the very begining of the 2nd round which today would be the 1st round. Cassel while traded for a 2nd was offered for a 1st but the Pats instead chose the early 2nd of the Chiefs. Schaub, I actually thought was traded for a 1st but after looking it up the Falcons and Texans swapped 1st round picks and then the Falcons got two 2nd round picks. So essentially remove me saying 1st round picks and say top 40 draft picks. Still, as you point out most good teams have 1st round Qbs


Brees is a franchise QB. Favre was. Schaub and Cassel are quite good as well. I should clarify however and go back to my previous position that I don't think you need to take a QB in the top 5 or 10 picks like some seem to think. So they don't have to trade up or pick one at 10, they can drop down in the 1st and pick a QB. I'd also be perfectly fine with them not taking a QB at all this off-season since there is a lot that needs to be addressed.

Thats better. You have a legit argument that way when look at guys like Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Flacco, Freeman, Brees, Favre, Schaub, Cassell, Cutler as guys who were drafted or traded for with high picks but not top 10 picks.


If I'm the Skins or another team without a franchise QB I'm looking for one every year. You just can't be consistently good in this league without a franchise QB. If there is a guy out on the trade market or entering the draft that I deem a potential franchise QB I would try to make a play for him every time. I might not be able to make it happen but I would try. I would never say wait til next year.

[mweb]

If we are going to go by how a team got the QB rather than where he was picked, then lets throw Vick into the equation. The two top MVP candidates didn't cost their team much at all.

Now Vince Young could be available for little and he was one of the top QB's this year and has lots of talent, but obviously has other issues.

But sure, I mostly agree with what you are saying.

BTW, Favre was picked 33rd.

[mweb]

If I'm the Skins or another team without a franchise QB I'm looking for one every year. You just can't be consistently good in this league without a franchise QB. If there is a guy out on the trade market or entering the draft that I deem a potential franchise QB I would try to make a play for him every time. I might not be able to make it happen but I would try. I would never say wait til next year.

I think you are misunderstanding my position if you think I'm just saying wait til next year. I'm saying look at the options and don't draft a QB really high or trade a lot for one simply because of the current lack of a franchise QB. Get a QB if you really believe in him and are comfortable with the price. If not, don't say "well we need to get a QB so we'll get this guy anyway." I'd rather go into next year with Grossman or Beck or Tavaris Jackson or whoever than do that while at the same time improving the roster so the possible franchise QB has a better supporting cast when he takes over.

[ccbird]

I think you are misunderstanding my position if you think I'm just saying wait til next year. I'm saying look at the options and don't draft a QB really high or trade a lot for one simply because of the current lack of a franchise QB. Get a QB if you really believe in him and are comfortable with the price. If not, don't say "well we need to get a QB so we'll get this guy anyway." I'd rather go into next year with Grossman or Beck or Tavaris Jackson or whoever than do that while at the same time improving the roster so the possible franchise QB has a better supporting cast when he takes over.

Obviously, how high you think of a guy and how much you are willing to "pay" plays a role. Just take 3 players for example this year. Luck, Mallet, Locker. Lets say I think they all have franchise QB potential but overall they are graded as follow:

Luck- #1 overall.... the best QB prospect in a long time
Mallet- #15 overall.....may take awhile but very good potential ....say I compare him to a Cutler
Locker-30th overall....risky, but a lot of skills

-With Luck, I would be willing to give up a boatload. Give the Panthers the house.

-With Mallet, if there is chatter he might go in the top 10 and there are a lot of other prospects I like that are still going to be on the board I probably let him go. I wouldn't make a move up for him. However, if he gets to #10 I would take him. A top #15 prospect overall and the need for a franchise QB is enough for me to reach slightly to take him.

-With Locker, I would definitely try to move down from #10 or trade back up from the 2nd round to get him. I certainly wouldn't use a top 10 pick on the player I have rated 30th overall even if it's someone I think can be my franchise QB.


I guess what I'm saying is if I have a QB graded as a franchise QB I'm going to make a play for him. Obviously, there are a lot of variables that occur leading up to the draft and on draft day that determine who and how you go about trying to acquire one of but I would definitely try.

[CrimsonTribe]

Luck is returning to school. That throws a wrench in everything.

http://twitter.com/#!/schadjoe/statuses/23099111867686912

[OrioleMagic]

Luck is returning to school. That throws a wrench in everything.

http://twitter.com/#!/schadjoe/statuses/23099111867686912

WOW!

How much money is he leaving on the table? What risk?!?!?!

I wonder if the new CBA will limit the 2012 draft signings???

I don't understand this at all!

[allstar1579]

Luck is returning to school. That throws a wrench in everything.

http://twitter.com/#!/schadjoe/statuses/23099111867686912

I actually suspected he might be, as soon as Carolina said they weren't interested in Harbaugh as coach but they were 100% taking Luck and wouldn't trade the pick.

Guess he just doesn't want to play in CAR, now we just need to tank next season. (jk...well sorta).