View Full Version : Ideal draft scenario
backwardsk
03-03-2011, 09:58 PM
What is your ideal draft scenario? Let's make the assumption that the CBA does not happen until after the draft, so you can't trade players for picks. But you can trade draft position. As of today they have the 10th overall, a 2nd, and then I get confused. I think they have two picks in the 5th (New Orleans) and then a pick in the 6th, and two in the 7th (Indy).
OrioleMagic
03-04-2011, 10:33 AM
I'll wait and see if the CBA gets done. I am hanging on to the slim hope that we can acquire a couple more picks for McNabb and Haynesworth.
Hooded Viper
03-04-2011, 11:13 AM
I'll wait and see if the CBA gets done. I am hanging on to the slim hope that we can acquire a couple more picks for McNabb and Haynesworth.
You must be joking about getting anything for Haynesworth. Who would want him and why would they give up anything, especially with his recent sexual assault charge. Not happening.
JDubs
03-04-2011, 11:42 AM
You must be joking about getting anything for Haynesworth. Who would want him and why would they give up anything, especially with his recent sexual assault charge. Not happening.
So what your saying is that you wouldn't give anything up for him. I wouldn't either, but he is cheap (due to a front-loaded contract) and a force to be reckoned with when motivated. If he can find a team that wants him and that he wants to play for, then I could see a trade happening for a low round pick. It's possible, not probable.
OrioleMagic
03-04-2011, 03:22 PM
You must be joking about getting anything for Haynesworth. Who would want him and why would they give up anything, especially with his recent sexual assault charge. Not happening.
I wasn't joking. I said "slim". If you wish to have a more absolute opinion... okay.
So what your saying is that you wouldn't give anything up for him. I wouldn't either, but he is cheap (due to a front-loaded contract) and a force to be reckoned with when motivated. If he can find a team that wants him and that he wants to play for, then I could see a trade happening for a low round pick. It's possible, not probable.
Very well said. I have the of hope that Haynesworth wants to go to the Iggles to play for his old coach and Reid may be willing to give up a lower round pick to get him at his current price instead of letting him go to FA and then having to compete for him and pay a much higher price. This is logical and could happen.
ccbird
03-04-2011, 10:59 PM
I think your ideal scenario is Gabbert drops to you. Not going to happen, but you can dream. Aside from that, I think you have to hope he gets out of the top 5 and you can somehow find a way to trade up for him without giving away too much. I've completely bought into him being a stud.
backwardsk
03-04-2011, 11:24 PM
I think your ideal scenario is Gabbert drops to you. Not going to happen, but you can dream. Aside from that, I think you have to hope he gets out of the top 5 and you can somehow find a way to trade up for him without giving away too much. I've completely bought into him being a stud.
You think so? I have some reservations about all the QBs this year (once Luck returned to Stanford). I don't think he'll go past the Bills at 3 though and I did see one mock with him as the number 1 overall.
ccbird
03-04-2011, 11:58 PM
You think so? I have some reservations about all the QBs this year (once Luck returned to Stanford). I don't think he'll go past the Bills at 3 though and I did see one mock with him as the number 1 overall.
Well, I went a little overboard. There is always a risk with college QBs entering the draft. You just don't know until you see them play at the NFL level. That said, I think his bust potential is pretty low. I'm confident he will at least be a solid NFL QB and has the potential to be great.
JDubs
03-05-2011, 02:46 AM
I wasn't joking. I said "slim". If you wish to have a more absolute opinion... okay.
Very well said. I have the of hope that Haynesworth wants to go to the Iggles to play for his old coach and Reid may be willing to give up a lower round pick to get him at his current price instead of letting him go to FA and then having to compete for him and pay a much higher price. This is logical and could happen.
I agree about the Eagles and have figured that is probably the best fit for him, personality-wise. However, I would be very reticent about sending a motivated Haynesworth to a division rival.
backwardsk
03-05-2011, 10:44 AM
I agree about the Eagles and have figured that is probably the best fit for him, personality-wise. However, I would be very reticent about sending a motivated Haynesworth to a division rival.
I think he may have more teams interested in him than many think. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Titans, Lions, Raiders, and Bengals also having interest. I don't think they'll get much for him, but if nothing good is presented, I could see them keeping him and de-activating him.
Let's make the assumption that the first nine players drafted were Newton, Gabbert, Green, Jones, Dareus, Bowers, Fairley, Peterson, and Miller. You can't find a partner to trade down. Who do you take?
allstar1579
03-05-2011, 10:58 AM
I think he may have more teams interested in him than many think. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Titans, Lions, Raiders, and Bengals also having interest. I don't think they'll get much for him, but if nothing good is presented, I could see them keeping him and de-activating him.
Let's make the assumption that the first nine players drafted were Newton, Gabbert, Green, Jones, Dareus, Bowers, Fairley, Peterson, and Miller. You can't find a partner to trade down. Who do you take?
The best cornerback on the board and pair him with Hall. Or the best interior OL out there. I guess you see my point...we have many holes, there is SOMEONE out there to take at 10 and it will help us, one draft pick, no matter how high, isn't going to get us where we need to be.
Hooded Viper
03-05-2011, 11:13 AM
So what your saying is that you wouldn't give anything up for him. I wouldn't either, but he is cheap (due to a front-loaded contract) and a force to be reckoned with when motivated. If he can find a team that wants him and that he wants to play for, then I could see a trade happening for a low round pick. It's possible, not probable.
Haynesworth's reputation in the league is very poor. Combine that with age, injury and his off the field antics, if you got a 6th rd pick you should consider that lucky! Do you honestly think someone will give more than that for a guy who basically quit on his team shortly after receiving his record setting money? He hasn't been good in 3 years and had a troubled history before that!
Back to the Op, I think the CB Akumara or someone like Julio Jones is where the team goes. Let's face it, the Rexskins usually go for flash over substance, however if they take either one one of these guys they would het both flash and substance.
backwardsk
03-05-2011, 12:21 PM
The best cornerback on the board and pair him with Hall. Or the best interior OL out there. I guess you see my point...we have many holes, there is SOMEONE out there to take at 10 and it will help us, one draft pick, no matter how high, isn't going to get us where we need to be.
Amukamara (CB from Nebraska) would be there in that spot. In the scenario I showed, I believe, creates the best possibility for a trade back. I wouldn't take an interior lineman at 10. So many needs like you said. There'd be good DEs like Quinn and Jordan there as well.
backwardsk
03-05-2011, 12:22 PM
Haynesworth's reputation in the league is very poor. Combine that with age, injury and his off the field antics, if you got a 6th rd pick you should consider that lucky! Do you honestly think someone will give more than that for a guy who basically quit on his team shortly after receiving his record setting money? He hasn't been good in 3 years and had a troubled history before that!
Back to the Op, I think the CB Akumara or someone like Julio Jones is where the team goes. Let's face it, the Rexskins usually go for flash over substance, however if they take either one one of these guys they would het both flash and substance.
If Jones, Amukumara, and Von Miller are available at 10, which one do you go with?
I think he may have more teams interested in him than many think. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Titans, Lions, Raiders, and Bengals also having interest. I don't think they'll get much for him, but if nothing good is presented, I could see them keeping him and de-activating him.
Let's make the assumption that the first nine players drafted were Newton, Gabbert, Green, Jones, Dareus, Bowers, Fairley, Peterson, and Miller. You can't find a partner to trade down. Who do you take?
Amukamara, Quinn, or Watt.
If they could trade down to the 20's I'd be interested in Pouncey.
If Jones, Amukumara, and Von Miller are available at 10, which one do you go with?
Miller who would give them another great pass rusher to go along with Orakpo.
backwardsk
03-05-2011, 06:22 PM
Miller who would give them another great pass rusher to go along with Orakpo.
Addressing the opposite OLB is important. You mentioned trading down into the 20s, I'd like Ayers in that spot. From what I've read, he's a good pass rusher (not as good as Miller) and also can cover. I think that's important after watching Alexander and Carter over there last season.
Jones would be oh so tempting though if he's available. But maybe he and Amukamara would entice a team to move up. Ideally, they can land a good player in the 20s, but make two hops to get there to pick up extra picks.
allstar1579
03-05-2011, 06:39 PM
Addressing the opposite OLB is important. You mentioned trading down into the 20s, I'd like Ayers in that spot. From what I've read, he's a good pass rusher (not as good as Miller) and also can cover. I think that's important after watching Alexander and Carter over there last season.
Jones would be oh so tempting though if he's available. But maybe he and Amukamara would entice a team to move up. Ideally, they can land a good player in the 20s, but make two hops to get there to pick up extra picks.
Jones is already facing surgery on his foot, I know they say it's no big deal, but anytime a WR has foot problems it bothers me, I've seen too many guys miss a ton of time for things like turf toe, so a stress fracture before their first season isn't a great scenario for me.
backwardsk
03-05-2011, 06:49 PM
Jones is already facing surgery on his foot, I know they say it's no big deal, but anytime a WR has foot problems it bothers me, I've seen too many guys miss a ton of time for things like turf toe, so a stress fracture before their first season isn't a great scenario for me.
That's a legitimate concern. However, if he didn't have the stress fracture, he'd run a sub 3 40. :D
allstar1579
03-05-2011, 07:09 PM
That's a legitimate concern. However, if he didn't have the stress fracture, he'd run a sub 3 40. :D
In theory...depends on where it is though. I've had a couple, if it's towards the side of his foot, running straight ahead at a combine is no trouble, but when it comes time to plant and change direction...then you have a problem.
backwardsk
03-05-2011, 07:22 PM
In theory...depends on where it is though. I've had a couple, if it's towards the side of his foot, running straight ahead at a combine is no trouble, but when it comes time to plant and change direction...then you have a problem.
How long does it take to recover from? Now that the combine is over, he's got plenty of time to rest it. It's not like he's trying to rush back to play the following week.
allstar1579
03-05-2011, 07:41 PM
How long does it take to recover from? Now that the combine is over, he's got plenty of time to rest it. It's not like he's trying to rush back to play the following week.
A about two months I think, everyone is different though, I've seen people slowed down for 3 months + though in bad instances. I just rested mine and they healed, I guess it could go faster with surgery and a pin inserted, but who knows.
Lateralus
03-06-2011, 11:39 AM
I think an IDEAL draft scenario would be trading Dan Snyder and our #1 to pretty much any team that'll take the deal.
OrioleMagic
03-07-2011, 03:01 PM
Addressing the opposite OLB is important. You mentioned trading down into the 20s, I'd like Ayers in that spot. From what I've read, he's a good pass rusher (not as good as Miller) and also can cover. I think that's important after watching Alexander and Carter over there last season.
Jones would be oh so tempting though if he's available. But maybe he and Amukamara would entice a team to move up. Ideally, they can land a good player in the 20s, but make two hops to get there to pick up extra picks.
I like this!
ccbird
03-08-2011, 11:40 PM
There is no way Miller will be there at 10. Assuming you guys stay at 10 I would bet your pick is either Amukamara/Quinn/Newton/Jones/Watt
OrioleMagic
03-09-2011, 04:35 PM
As I agreed with above, I'd love to trade down from #10...
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/post-18.html?wprss=redskinsinsider
Here is a neat article on Kiper's new opinion on the Redskins draft.
I like the idea of Andy Dalton in the second round. If we can trade the #10 for a low first and a 3rd and then trade again for an even lower first and another 3rd or high 4th (and maybe some more late round picks) This is clearly the "ideal draft scenerio" for the Redskins.
backwardsk
03-09-2011, 08:12 PM
There is no way Miller will be there at 10. Assuming you guys stay at 10 I would bet your pick is either Amukamara/Quinn/Newton/Jones/Watt
There was no way Orakpo was going to be available at 12 or 13 either. You got to be ready for those situations. There may be a lot of movement in the top 10. A guy like Fairley or Bowers may go number 1 or number 8-10. If the teams that need a QB jump on Gabbert and Newton early, then that means there'll be better players available at 10. To your point, I can't imagine the Cowboys passing on Miller if he were to slide that far.
JDubs
03-09-2011, 08:18 PM
I think he may have more teams interested in him than many think. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Titans, Lions, Raiders, and Bengals also having interest. I don't think they'll get much for him, but if nothing good is presented, I could see them keeping him and de-activating him.
Let's make the assumption that the first nine players drafted were Newton, Gabbert, Green, Jones, Dareus, Bowers, Fairley, Peterson, and Miller. You can't find a partner to trade down. Who do you take?
J.J. Watt, maybe? I'll have to look a little closer, but this is my first thought.
[EDIT] If Miller is there, then he should be the lock pick. I don't think he will be there, but then again, I didn't think Rak would be there either.
JDubs
03-09-2011, 08:20 PM
Haynesworth's reputation in the league is very poor. Combine that with age, injury and his off the field antics, if you got a 6th rd pick you should consider that lucky! Do you honestly think someone will give more than that for a guy who basically quit on his team shortly after receiving his record setting money? He hasn't been good in 3 years and had a troubled history before that!
I think a 6th round pick qualifies as the "low round pick" that I referenced in my post.
Kiper has the Skins going with Julio Jones with Watt and Quinn being the next two picks. I think I'd prefer either of those DE's over Jones.
Both Mallet and Dalton could be there for the 2nd round.
CrimsonTribe
03-11-2011, 11:35 AM
Kiper has the Skins going with Julio Jones with Watt and Quinn being the next two picks. I think I'd prefer either of those DE's over Jones.
Both Mallet and Dalton could be there for the 2nd round.
While I'm not really for taking a WR 10th overall, I'd support the choice of Jones for obviously biased reasons. I love the man. He is a beast.
Big Mac
03-11-2011, 12:13 PM
While I'm not really for taking a WR 10th overall, I'd support the choice of Jones for obviously biased reasons. I love the man. He is a beast.
Absolutely. Played much of the season with a broken hand (and dominated), as well as running a 4.39 at the combine with a broken foot!
Dude is superhuman.
CrimsonTribe
03-11-2011, 05:05 PM
Absolutely. Played much of the season with a broken hand (and dominated), as well as running a 4.39 at the combine with a broken foot!
Dude is superhuman.
Yes, it cannot be understated that he broke his hand, had surgery to insert a screw, and then played the next week. Pain? What is that? I don't think he's ever been fully healthy and I don't think he cares.
backwardsk
03-11-2011, 11:42 PM
Kiper has the Skins going with Julio Jones with Watt and Quinn being the next two picks. I think I'd prefer either of those DE's over Jones.
Both Mallet and Dalton could be there for the 2nd round.
I could see Dalton being available, but I'd expect Mallett to get picked by either the Jags or Seahawks in the first, or by one of the teams that pick ahead of the Redskins but pass on a QB in the first like Arizona or San Fran.
I could see Dalton being available, but I'd expect Mallett to get picked by either the Jags or Seahawks in the first, or by one of the teams that pick ahead of the Redskins but pass on a QB in the first like Arizona or San Fran.
Kiper doesn't have him going in the first, but sure, there's a decent chance he'll be gone.
backwardsk
03-12-2011, 12:28 AM
Kiper doesn't have him going in the first, but sure, there's a decent chance he'll be gone.
I'll say this, if Jones, Miller, and Jordan are all off the board, I hope they try really hard to trade down. San Diego picks 18, but they have multiple 2s and 3s.
Moose Milligan
03-17-2011, 10:06 PM
Hoarding draft picks, for starters. Upgrading both offensive and defensive lines.
OrioleMagic
03-18-2011, 04:42 PM
This ESPN Insider article (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=6229004)makes me want to go after Ryan Mallett with our second round pick. However, who knows if Joyner really knows what he is talking about, or Kiper or McShay for that matter. I'll be curious to see if Mallett is snatched in the late first round by a team with an aging QB. I still think Andy Dalton sounds like a good fit for Shanahan's offense.
ccbird
03-19-2011, 01:09 AM
I saw a mock today with you guys taking Mallet at 10. I don't think you'll take him that early but I could see you guys trading into the 15- 25 range and drafting him with your first pick.
OFFNY
03-19-2011, 10:44 PM
On a somber note, 15-year wide receiver Drew Hill died. :(
http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2388836#post2388836
OrioleMagic
03-20-2011, 05:17 PM
On a somber note, 15-year wide receiver Drew Hill died. :(
http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2388836#post2388836
With respect to Hill and his family, how is this post on thread topic?
OrioleMagic
03-21-2011, 12:30 PM
ESPN Rumors are saying that the Seahawks have offered their #25 pick (and more) to the Iggles for Kolb... I am hoping this goes through and helps facilitate a Iggles mid-round pick coming to us for Haynesworth, hopefully a 2nd or 3rd rounder.
They are also talking about Bulger being the best fit for the Cardinals. I hope somebody out there will give us a 5th rounder for McNabb. I am starting to doubt it though.
backwardsk
03-21-2011, 08:10 PM
ESPN Rumors are saying that the Seahawks have offered their #25 pick (and more) to the Iggles for Kolb... I am hoping this goes through and helps facilitate a Iggles mid-round pick coming to us for Haynesworth, hopefully a 2nd or 3rd rounder.
They are also talking about Bulger being the best fit for the Cardinals. I hope somebody out there will give us a 5th rounder for McNabb. I am starting to doubt it though.
I doubt they get the CBA agreed upon by the time of the draft. I hope I'm wrong, but the only way to acquire more picks will be to trade back.
JDubs
03-22-2011, 01:53 PM
This ESPN Insider article (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=6229004)makes me want to go after Ryan Mallett with our second round pick. However, who knows if Joyner really knows what he is talking about, or Kiper or McShay for that matter. I'll be curious to see if Mallett is snatched in the late first round by a team with an aging QB. I still think Andy Dalton sounds like a good fit for Shanahan's offense.
You're not kidding. Although, no one is really doubting that the kid has the tools. The real concerns are off the field. You can have all of the physical tools in the world and still fail if you don't have sense (see Leaf, Ryan). Cocaine may have worked for LB Bill Romanowski, but I suspect it may effect a QB's decision making abilities. :)
OrioleMagic
03-22-2011, 04:16 PM
I doubt they get the CBA agreed upon by the time of the draft. I hope I'm wrong, but the only way to acquire more picks will be to trade back.
I think they could have some "gentleman's agreement" in place where the Skins tell the Eagles who to take in the 3rd round with the agreement in place that it will then be a straight up deal for Haynesworth once the CBA is done.
hoosiers
03-31-2011, 11:42 PM
My ideal draft would be to avoid taking anyone at the skill positions with the first two picks - as there are too many holes to fill. Let's improve the lines or defensive secondary.
I'd have no problem trading down in the first round a bit, but we better come up with some strong additional picks.
OrioleMagic
04-07-2011, 05:12 PM
I don't like Kiper and McShay's latest 3 round drafts.
Skins need to trade down and address the QB issue! Whether it is Mallett or Dalton... I don't know, but just sitting and taking Jones or a DE at #10 and then Ponder or Kaepernick in the second round will not suffice!!!
chamdog
04-28-2011, 05:08 PM
eThe skins are in no position to take a qb at 10. Unless we all want to see a repeat of Jcamp they need to build up there D and O lines and get some playmakers before even condsidering going after a franchise QB.
Sports Guy
04-28-2011, 08:49 PM
I will be shocked if the Skins let Gabbert go by them.
allstar1579
04-28-2011, 08:55 PM
I will be shocked if the Skins let Gabbert go by them.
Was just thinking the same thing, but they have consistently shown to do things like that. I wonder if they were sitting on Locker and are a bit shocked he went at 8, I know I was. I heard Shanny likes Dalton a lot, but I don't see any way he lasts til the 2nd rd pick.
Sports Guy
04-28-2011, 08:56 PM
Was just thinking the same thing, but they have consistently shown to do things like that. I wonder if they were sitting on Locker and are a bit shocked he went at 8, I know I was. I heard Shanny likes Dalton a lot, but I don't see any way he lasts til the 2nd rd pick.
Unless you do not like Gabbert, you have to take him here.
OrioleMagic
04-28-2011, 08:56 PM
Either Gabbert or trade w/ the Pats so they can take Jordon or Quinn and then the Skins get a QB lower in the first round.
Sports Guy
04-28-2011, 09:00 PM
Jax trades with Skins...Jax picking Gabbert.
OrioleMagic
04-28-2011, 09:01 PM
Good!!! Now what did we get? LOL
Sports Guy
04-28-2011, 09:06 PM
It is roughly 300 points on the draft value chart to go from 16 to 10.
My guess is the Skins got a second rounder OR a 3rd and 4th.
OrioleMagic
04-28-2011, 09:08 PM
It is roughly 300 points on the draft value chart to go from 16 to 10.
My guess is the Skins got a second rounder OR a 3rd and 4th.
I'd be happy with a 3rd and 4th, just to make up for last years foolishness. A 2nd would be nice though. I wonder if they trade down again... Quinn is still on the board and so is Jordan and Amakumura... all would be good at 16, but I'd rather go down to 28 or so and get Mallet or Dalton and more picks.
allstar1579
04-28-2011, 09:08 PM
It is roughly 300 points on the draft value chart to go from 16 to 10.
My guess is the Skins got a second rounder OR a 3rd and 4th.
Yeah we got JAX 2nd rounder. We have #16, #42 and #49 now.
I wonder if they aren't plotting on picking up Dalton later...
Sports Guy
04-28-2011, 09:11 PM
Yeah we got JAX 2nd rounder. We have #16, #42 and #49 now.
I wonder if they aren't plotting on picking up Dalton later...
Certainly possible...One of those seconds and a third is the equivalent to a late first round pick.
Good trade imo. I would love it if Quinn fell to #16 and they picked him.
OrioleMagic
04-28-2011, 09:13 PM
Yeah we got JAX 2nd rounder. We have #16, #42 and #49 now.
I wonder if they aren't plotting on picking up Dalton later...
Awesome. Mallett or Dalton at 42 would be great, if they last that long.
On another note, Freeeeekin Gonzo can't even get Salty out! GRRRR!!!
Sports Guy
04-28-2011, 09:15 PM
Awesome. Mallett or Dalton at 42 would be great, if they last that long.
On another note, Freeeeekin Gonzo can't even get Salty out! GRRRR!!!
Dalton won't be...Mallett could be. Its tough to say on him right now. He could go soon or could last until 3rd round.
Wow, I was just about to mention Ponder as a possible 2nd round choice for the Skins.
allstar1579
04-28-2011, 09:17 PM
Dalton won't be...Mallett could be. Its tough to say on him right now. He could go soon or could last until 3rd round.
Hope they stay away from Mallett, not a fan. Dalton and Ponder are supposedly good fits for Shanny's offense, if not, go with another year of Grossman and find a QB next year. Welp, as I say that Ponder WAAAAAY overdrafted. Hmmmm I could see them taking Dalton at 16 the way this is going, but if Prince A. falls that far you have to think about that verrrrry hard.
BTW, McShay had the Skins taking Kaepernick in the 2nd.
Hope they stay away from Mallett, not a fan. Dalton and Ponder are supposedly good fits for Shanny's offense, if not, go with another year of Grossman and find a QB next year. Welp, as I say that Ponder WAAAAAY overdrafted. Hmmmm I could see them taking Dalton at 16 the way this is going, but if Prince A. falls that far you have to think about that verrrrry hard.
Could also take a chance on Tavaris Jackson or even Vince Young.
Ponder being taken here certainly helps the chances of someone very desirable dropping to 16. Quinn is obviously the guy I prefer.
OrioleMagic
04-28-2011, 09:23 PM
I haven't heard much about Kaepernick. I wonder what Shanny is thinking. I think we could get a 3rd or fourth rounder out of NE to move up one slot if Quinn is still on the board and Jordan and Amakamura go next two.
We are sitting pretty! Quinn, Jordan, and Prince are still on the board and we pick in three. We could really get something for that pick IMHO.
I haven't heard much about Kaepernick. I wonder what Shanny is thinking. I think we could get a 3rd or fourth rounder out of NE to move up one slot if Quinn is still on the board and Jordan and Amakamura go next two.
We are sitting pretty! Quinn, Jordan, and Prince are still on the board and we pick in three. We could really get something for that pick IMHO.
If NE is willing to do that you have to wonder if it's worth it. But now it doesn't matter as it seems like the Rams are taking Quinn. Damn. Could have been great having him and Orakpo on opposite ends.
OrioleMagic
04-28-2011, 09:27 PM
There goes Quinn.
OrioleMagic
04-28-2011, 09:28 PM
If NE is willing to do that you have to wonder if it's worth it. But now it doesn't matter as it seems like the Rams are taking Quinn. Damn. They are rumored to covet Cameron Jordan as well. Depends what Miami does. I bet they take Prince.
ccbird
04-28-2011, 09:29 PM
Yeah, you guys will get Amukamara or Jordan. Not bad at all considering either could have been taken at 10.
They are rumored to covet Cameron Jordan as well. Depends what Miami does. I bet they take Prince.
Yep. BTW, shouldn't Pouncey be considered at #15/16 too?
OrioleMagic
04-28-2011, 09:36 PM
Yep. BTW, shouldn't Pouncey be considered at #15/16 too?
You called it!
OrioleMagic
04-28-2011, 09:39 PM
I'd like to see us trade down again and get more picks. I think we can with Prince still on the board. Any Ravens fans want to trade up and take Prince?
ccbird
04-28-2011, 09:40 PM
Any chance you take Dalton. If not I would think you have to take a DE.
OrioleMagic
04-28-2011, 09:41 PM
Kerrigan? I didn't see that coming. Thought Jordan would go at DE before Kerrigan. I'm a Kerrigan fan now.
Sports Guy
04-28-2011, 09:41 PM
Nice pick.
Well Ryan Kerrigan it is.
Sports Guy
04-28-2011, 09:45 PM
Well Ryan Kerrigan it is.
I think you have to be happy with this if you are a Skins fan.
Solid pick with the #16 pick and you have enough to trade up to get a QB if you have to.
The scouting report on ESPN has him as a 4-3 DE without much ability to be a 3-4 OLB. So that's an issue if true, but I guess the Skins don't think it is. Seems like a solid and safe pick otherwise.
OrioleMagic
04-28-2011, 09:49 PM
Billicheck fooled everyone!
allstar1579
04-28-2011, 10:04 PM
The scouting report on ESPN has him as a 4-3 DE without much ability to be a 3-4 OLB. So that's an issue if true, but I guess the Skins don't think it is. Seems like a solid and safe pick otherwise.
They were just saying that he's def. a LB in the NFL and he's got a motor that doesn't quit. Said originally he looked like a 4-3 LB, but at the combine showed that he could be a 3-4 LB, which is why he fits here.
I dunno myself, I think I'd have taken a starting CB, but whatever...they have 2 more picks for me to see before I start complaining about things.
backwardsk
04-28-2011, 10:11 PM
They were just saying that he's def. a LB in the NFL and he's got a motor that doesn't quit. Said originally he looked like a 4-3 LB, but at the combine showed that he could be a 3-4 LB, which is why he fits here.
I dunno myself, I think I'd have taken a starting CB, but whatever...they have 2 more picks for me to see before I start complaining about things.
Read something similar. In addition, he's a game-film nut and lives and breathes football. Seems like a Shanny guy. I like the pick.
They were just saying that he's def. a LB in the NFL and he's got a motor that doesn't quit. Said originally he looked like a 4-3 LB, but at the combine showed that he could be a 3-4 LB, which is why he fits here.
I dunno myself, I think I'd have taken a starting CB, but whatever...they have 2 more picks for me to see before I start complaining about things.
Well if he's a good fit at 3-4 OLB than I think it's hard to complain much about the pick.
backwardsk
04-28-2011, 10:40 PM
Yeah we got JAX 2nd rounder. We have #16, #42 and #49 now.
I wonder if they aren't plotting on picking up Dalton later...
Hate to nitpick, but it's actually the 41st pick.
backwardsk
04-29-2011, 12:16 AM
I'd like to see Paea/Casey and Dowling in the second round. Or, if they can move back and get another pick and address the interior line.
ccbird
04-29-2011, 12:34 AM
I could have swore I heard someone say that they thought the Skins were targeting Ponder at 16. Anyway, Kerrigan is a solid pick and it's possible you guys could still get Dalton,Mallet, or Kaepernick in the 2nd.
hoosiers
04-29-2011, 01:02 AM
I like the trading down, but would have preferred to see them do it a second time to move from 16 into the 23-25 area for any of Jimmy Smith, Carimi or Cam Jordan while picking up an additional second or third rounder.
Still loads of talent left for our two second rounders. I'd like to see us avoid the qb itch and go with two prospects at O-line, cornerback or WR.
Dr. FLK
04-29-2011, 07:43 AM
I'd like to see Paea/Casey and Dowling in the second round. Or, if they can move back and get another pick and address the interior line.
That's the guy I really want them to get in Round 2. They need someone like him to make the 3-4 work.
McShay has the Skins taking Kaepernick and Ryan Williams in the 2nd. I don't know much about the QB but Williams would be a solid pick at that spot imo.
Dr. FLK
04-29-2011, 02:54 PM
McShay has the Skins taking Kaepernick and Ryan Williams in the 2nd. I don't know much about the QB but Williams would be a solid pick at that spot imo.
I'd be happy with either of those guys, but I really want Paea.
Kiper has the Skins with Williams at 41 and Torrey Smith at 49. Paea at 48.
I'd be happy with either of those guys, but I really want Paea.
Yeah, him and Williams would be very good imo.
allstar1579
04-29-2011, 04:58 PM
I'm still hoping they find a way to get Dalton at 41 and either Smith or Paea at 48. I've heard Smith at 41 and Mallett at 48 but I'm hoping not.
Sports Guy
04-29-2011, 06:36 PM
Williams gone...Mallett will be there for Skins at 41.
backwardsk
04-29-2011, 06:49 PM
Can't say I know much about Jenkins. I wonder if they view him as a NT or a RDE.
backwardsk
04-29-2011, 06:52 PM
Did Bowers have his leg amputated earlier this week?
JDubs
04-29-2011, 07:08 PM
Can't say I know much about Jenkins. I wonder if they view him as a NT or a RDE.
seems like both to me
backwardsk
04-29-2011, 07:27 PM
I think they just traded back with Indy.
JDubs
04-29-2011, 07:35 PM
I think they just traded back with Indy.
I'm having trouble coming up with any info...anyone know any details? Looks like we don't pick again until the 3rd round according to wiki.
EDIT: Now wiki says that we have Indy's 2nd rounder.
backwardsk
04-29-2011, 07:42 PM
I'm having trouble coming up with any info...anyone know any details? Looks like we don't pick again until the 3rd round according to wiki.
EDIT: Now wiki says that we have Indy's 2nd rounder.
I think it's a 2nd (53rd) and a late 4th (152).
I think it's a 2nd (53rd) and a late 4th (152).
That's a 5th. Was Post also shows us with pick #224 from IND.
And they trade down again.
Get a 4th from the Bears for swapping 2nd round picks.
backwardsk
04-29-2011, 07:51 PM
That's a 5th. Was Post also shows us with pick #224 from IND.
And they trade down again.
Ha ha. Didn't the league expand to 40 teams?
backwardsk
04-29-2011, 07:56 PM
Get a 4th from the Bears for swapping 2nd round picks.
So team Allen/Shanahan have a great chance at proving their drafting ability. 1 fourth, 3 fifths, 1 sixth, 3 sevenths. Hopefully, they can get a few contributers there.
So team Allen/Shanahan have a great chance at proving their drafting ability. 1 fourth, 3 fifths, 1 sixth, 3 sevenths. Hopefully, they can get a few contributers there.
Maybe Shanahan can get a RB who will fit his system well with one of those picks.
allstar1579
04-29-2011, 08:02 PM
Maybe Shanahan can get a RB who will fit his system well with one of those picks.
He has Torain.
He has Torain.
They could still use another back. Thus why a lot of people had them going for Williams if he had fallen to them.
backwardsk
04-29-2011, 08:05 PM
That's a 5th. Was Post also shows us with pick #224 from IND.
And they trade down again.
That had already been there with the Justin "Tryon-not-to-get-burned-again" trade.
allstar1579
04-29-2011, 08:14 PM
They could still use another back. Thus why a lot of people had them going for Williams if he had fallen to them.
Oh yeah, not saying we couldn't use another, just mentioning that Torain fits the system. I actually like him a lot, I'm hoping for a healthy year to see what he can do. Really like K. Williams as a 3rd down back, so I wasn't as worried about RB as I was about QB/CB/OG/LB in that order. Would LOVE to have had the G from Miami that went after our #41 pick, or even Torrey Smith more than another DE. I thought maybe they were going to play him at NT and that would be ok, but the post is saying they will play him as a DE, which we didn't have any stars, but had enough pieces to be fine there, other positions needed holes filled before DE was upgraded.
PHRESH
04-29-2011, 08:19 PM
Hankerson for our next pick? Really wanted Hudson.
backwardsk
04-29-2011, 08:20 PM
Oh yeah, not saying we couldn't use another, just mentioning that Torain fits the system. I actually like him a lot, I'm hoping for a healthy year to see what he can do. Really like K. Williams as a 3rd down back, so I wasn't as worried about RB as I was about QB/CB/OG/LB in that order. Would LOVE to have had the G from Miami that went after our #41 pick, or even Torrey Smith more than another DE. I thought maybe they were going to play him at NT and that would be ok, but the post is saying they will play him as a DE, which we didn't have any stars, but had enough pieces to be fine there, other positions needed holes filled before DE was upgraded.
Honestly, I don't think the Post really knows where they'll play him. Golston's a FA. Holliday and Daniels are long in the tooth. They have Carriker and Jarmon, but not much else.
Sports Guy
04-29-2011, 08:27 PM
Another trade down...Gotta think Miami takes Mallet.
backwardsk
04-29-2011, 08:28 PM
Another trade down...Gotta think Miami takes Mallet.
Mallett in South Beach. Ha ha. It's going to snow a lot down there.
allstar1579
04-29-2011, 08:29 PM
Honestly, I don't think the Post really knows where they'll play him. Golston's a FA. Holliday and Daniels are long in the tooth. They have Carriker and Jarmon, but not much else.
It was a direct quote from him, and he said it's where Allen and Shanny said they were going to play him. Said he likes to play the run and likes double teams though, so here's hoping.
On a side note, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, PICK SOMEONE AND STOP TRADING DOWN SO MUCH!!!! Odds are that a 2nd rounder is a starter 75%, odds are that a 4th rder or below is a starter, like 20%, come on guys....
backwardsk
04-29-2011, 08:31 PM
Mallett in South Beach. Ha ha. It's going to snow a lot down there.
Whoops. No Mallett there. Free falling.
backwardsk
04-29-2011, 08:33 PM
It was a direct quote from him, and he said it's where Allen and Shanny said they were going to play him. Said he likes to play the run and likes double teams though, so here's hoping.
On a side note, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, PICK SOMEONE AND STOP TRADING DOWN SO MUCH!!!! Odds are that a 2nd rounder is a starter 75%, odds are that a 4th rder or below is a starter, like 20%, come on guys....
Okay. Good enough. I thought if it was a Reid, Jones, or Arrington comment, it wouldn't hold much weight. They did have some fronts on passing downs where Holliday played in the middle. He may do some of that on passing downs. They do need a starter on the right side. I was hoping it'd be Jarmon.
backwardsk
04-29-2011, 08:46 PM
Trying to do this in my head, but they basically traded back their number 1 six spots, grabbed Kerrigan, and then picked up a 3rd, 4th, 2 5ths, and 2 7ths. Is that right?
allstar1579
04-29-2011, 09:15 PM
Okay. Good enough. I thought if it was a Reid, Jones, or Arrington comment, it wouldn't hold much weight. They did have some fronts on passing downs where Holliday played in the middle. He may do some of that on passing downs. They do need a starter on the right side. I was hoping it'd be Jarmon.
Yeah, I just would have rather filled some TOTAL holes before upgrading positions we had people in you know? It's hard to say what they have going on because FA hasn't happened yet. They could go sign Asho-uh...however you spell his name at CB, and just stick with Grossman at QB and maybe it changes how they'd need to draft.
Just so far, I know they are adding a ton of picks, but the success rate after the 3rd round drops off really bad, and I don't trust our team to find playable talent with most of those picks they got. I would have rather taken the 3 locks to start in the 1st, and 2 2nds and then not picked again til the 5th where I try to add ST depth. Just me though.
backwardsk
04-29-2011, 09:21 PM
I wanted that Casey guy. Oh well. Ellis from Hampton is still there, right?
backwardsk
04-29-2011, 09:32 PM
Hankerson for our next pick? Really wanted Hudson.
Nailed it.
allstar1579
04-29-2011, 09:37 PM
I wanted that Casey guy. Oh well. Ellis from Hampton is still there, right?
Yeah, but I don't think he makes it to our next pick, and we already took one DL, too many other holes to fill. I'm guessing they load up with OL that fit the scheme late in the draft.
I like the Hankerson pick. Pretty highly rated guy who is a hard worker and plays at a position of semi-need.
As far as filling needs in the draft like allstar is talking about, I would skew to the needs, but I would still want to go BPA when it's reasonable to do so. There are plenty of holes/mediocre spots on the team plus free agency remains to fill holes.
hoosiers
04-30-2011, 12:29 AM
Lots of draft sites on the internet with Hankerson in the 50s. Nice pick.
Kind of the opposite with Jenkins. Seems a bit of an overdraft. We may have been able to trade down a bit with that pick as well and still picked him up.
I really like the dropping six spots in the first round and ending up with these additional picks.
We seem to have survived with our 2012 picks intact. It's a miracle. Hopefully, this is trading down is a new organizational philosophy and we do the same next year.
This is the first time in a long time I feel like we may have drafted equal or more talent than the others in our division.
allstar1579
04-30-2011, 12:35 PM
Maybe Shanahan can get a RB who will fit his system well with one of those picks.
Called it. Moved up in the 4th to get Helu from NEB. Analysis says when Shanny moves up to take a mid-round RB, he KNOWS he is a good fit for his system, so watch out for this guy.
Called it. Moved up in the 4th to get Helu from NEB. Analysis says when Shanny moves up to take a mid-round RB, he KNOWS he is a good fit for his system, so watch out for this guy.
Yeah, hopefully he becomes productive. I don't know much about him and he wasn't rated highly on ESPN, but Shanahan does have a good track record with RB's.
Nigel Tufnel
04-30-2011, 02:18 PM
Looks like he's 5-11, 220, and pretty fast - 4.40 in the 40. He did the least number of bench press reps of any RB at the combine, though.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/combine?id=27043&_slug_=roy-helu&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl %2fdraft%2fplayer%2fcombine%3fid%3d27043%26_slug_% 3droy-helu
S Dejon Gomes also from Nebraska is the next pick. Scouts Inc is not a fan.
Is there a Skins-Nebraska link that I'm not aware of? 3 straight picks now from there.
WR Niles Paul. Actually decently ranked by Scouts Inc (117).
allstar1579
04-30-2011, 04:00 PM
Looks like he's 5-11, 220, and pretty fast - 4.40 in the 40. He did the least number of bench press reps of any RB at the combine, though.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/combine?id=27043&_slug_=roy-helu&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl %2fdraft%2fplayer%2fcombine%3fid%3d27043%26_slug_% 3droy-helu
He was looking for a speed guy to compliment Torain, who runs best north/south between the tackles. Shanny knows RBs and his system. I'm a bit baffled by him taking another one in the 6th though, either he's going to keep 4 RB and 2 of them rookies, or someone isn't making this team. Curious with McIlroy still out there and some phyical OL left.
Going rather heavy on WR's and RB's now. RB Royster from Penn St and WR Robinson from SMU. Rather excessive imo.
allstar1579
04-30-2011, 04:06 PM
Going rather heavy on WR's and RB's now. RB Royster from Penn St and WR Robinson from SMU. Rather excessive imo.
TOO excessive I think. Feels like they are just drafting special teamers here, but there are guys out there that could be upgrades to some of the garbage on our squad. I'd LOVE to know what their FA and trade plans are so that MAYBE some of this makes sense.
McShay loved the Robinson pick though.
Mort and Schefter are saying John Beck may become the starter and Shanahan and company believe he can be a good one.
OrioleMagic
04-30-2011, 04:28 PM
I can't figure out what Shanahan's plan is for QB. Are we tanking and going for Andrew Luck next year? Surely, they are not counting on Beck.
I can't figure out what Shanahan's plan is for QB. Are we tanking and going for Andrew Luck next year? Surely, they are not counting on Beck.
I think some were too obsessed with getting a QB in the draft.
They apparently do like Beck. There are also some intriguing guys that will be available in free agency or trade once the lockout ends. Plus, there were enough holes on this team where you could say it makes sense to address some of them over QB and deal with that later if Beck or whomever doesn't become a solution this year. Lastly, they apparently didn't love any of the QB's in the draft.
allstar1579
04-30-2011, 09:11 PM
I think some were too obsessed with getting a QB in the draft.
They apparently do like Beck. There are also some intriguing guys that will be available in free agency or trade once the lockout ends. Plus, there were enough holes on this team where you could say it makes sense to address some of them over QB and deal with that later if Beck or whomever doesn't become a solution this year. Lastly, they apparently didn't love any of the QB's in the draft.
Agree with all of this. Like I said a couple months ago, we have enough holes that we don't have to fill them all in one offseason or draft. Makes sense to plug what you can and then see where you stand, if you don't get a QB or a RB this year, you get them next year. The one really interesting non-address that I saw was at CB though.
Agree with all of this. Like I said a couple months ago, we have enough holes that we don't have to fill them all in one offseason or draft. Makes sense to plug what you can and then see where you stand, if you don't get a QB or a RB this year, you get them next year. The one really interesting non-address that I saw was at CB though.
Maybe they may make the big free agent signing at corner. Or maybe they'll bring back your favorite player. ;)
They did draft a corner in the 7th as well, not that he's likely to be any good.
Dr. FLK
05-01-2011, 07:00 AM
The clearly didn't think the QBs in the this draft were franchise guys, and I don't blame them. Personally, I would have liked to see them gamble on Mallet, but I can see why they didn't. I really believe they think Beck will be the starter.
I like the draft a lot. They got some high energy guys who actually fit in a 3-4 (and some secondary help). They got some nice WR. They got a speed RB and a bigger back to compete for spots (well, at least I think Royster has to fight for spot).
I don't know anything about the guard that they got. Is he supposed to be good?
Nigel Tufnel
05-01-2011, 09:31 AM
I don't know anything about the guard that they got. Is he supposed to be good?
I found this (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=65461&draftyear=2011&genpos=OG). Sounds like there's some potential there. There was also a rumor that he tested positive for pot at the combine, so that could have caused his stock to drop.
03/30/11 - Underrated: Maurice Hurt, Florida: There are two significant reasons why Hurt hasn't received more attention. For one, he plays on the same line as Mike Pouncey and two other senior Gator offensive linemen who could get drafted, so credit was tough to come by. Secondly, he has a bad body. Quite frankly, the 6-2 5/8, 318-pounder is round. That said, he has surprisingly long arms for his frame (third among all interior OL tested at the combine), which the tape proves he uses well in pass protection and in the running game. Don't be surprised when Hurt is drafted on the third day of the draft, but he winds up outperforming some prospects taken much earlier. - Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com
allstar1579
05-01-2011, 10:14 AM
Maybe they may make the big free agent signing at corner. Or maybe they'll bring back your favorite player. ;)
They did draft a corner in the 7th as well, not that he's likely to be any good.
Yeah that's what I was getting at. Schefter said he expects them to be players for N.A. but I can't see them dropping a big contract on him after signing Otagwe and already having Hall signed to a big deal. I'm hoping ol' stone hands doesn't come back, I don't mind it at his old contract but for open market price he is NOT worth it. Yeah the 7th rounder, if he makes the team will be a ST/depth thing, he's supposed to play the run well but get burned in the passing game. That's how the safety we took in the 4th is too. I also question what they have in mind for the OL, because the G and C play was awful last year, and they didn't even attempt to improve it until the 7th, makes no sense. There's a really good chance none of the 6th/7th rounders even make the team, so people shouldn't be resting hopes and dreams on them.
backwardsk
05-01-2011, 05:04 PM
Yeah that's what I was getting at. Schefter said he expects them to be players for N.A. but I can't see them dropping a big contract on him after signing Otagwe and already having Hall signed to a big deal. I'm hoping ol' stone hands doesn't come back, I don't mind it at his old contract but for open market price he is NOT worth it. Yeah the 7th rounder, if he makes the team will be a ST/depth thing, he's supposed to play the run well but get burned in the passing game. That's how the safety we took in the 4th is too. I also question what they have in mind for the OL, because the G and C play was awful last year, and they didn't even attempt to improve it until the 7th, makes no sense. There's a really good chance none of the 6th/7th rounders even make the team, so people shouldn't be resting hopes and dreams on them.
They've made some room to address the roster with FA. They do have a connection with an ex Raiders line coach now and I wouldn't be surprised if they bring Robert Gallery over for LG, slide Lichtensteiger over to center. They selected two lineman late in 2010 who may push themselves for playing time. I hope they can bring back Brown for RT. I'm a little surprised about the safety selection. I thought they'd do more in the 4th or 5th to address the o-line.
hoosiers
05-01-2011, 05:34 PM
Fairly please with this draft. I've seen two of our guys considered among the "steals" in the draft.
Rob Rang at cbssportsline gave the Skins an A. I was most pleased with his final comment - In terms of adding multiple players who fit their scheme and will improve the overall talent of their club, no team was more effective this year than the Redskins.
A few good FA pickups coupled with much better team depth and I believe our general competitiveness will take a big step forward.
Not really concerned about the qb situation. Too many holes to fill for now. Hopefully, we do not trade picks for anyone and enter next season with a full slate of picks plus the pick for Campbell and maybe one for Donovan.
backwardsk
05-01-2011, 06:17 PM
Fairly please with this draft. I've seen two of our guys considered among the "steals" in the draft.
Rob Rang at cbssportsline gave the Skins an A. I was most pleased with his final comment - In terms of adding multiple players who fit their scheme and will improve the overall talent of their club, no team was more effective this year than the Redskins.
A few good FA pickups coupled with much better team depth and I believe our general competitiveness will take a big step forward.
Not really concerned about the qb situation. Too many holes to fill for now. Hopefully, we do not trade picks for anyone and enter next season with a full slate of picks plus the pick for Campbell and maybe one for Donovan.
Glad to see a national person give him an A. Mark Maske gave them a C-. That surprised me. He has to be a Gabbert lover, because he gave Jacksonville a B+ even though they only had 5 picks overall and 1 in the first two rounds. He also gave Tennessee a C-. I wouldn't have minded ending up with their first 3 picks: Locker, Ayers, and the DT from USC.
Dr. FLK
05-02-2011, 08:52 AM
I'm so glad that the team didn't feel compelled to take a QB just because they need one. If there isn't a long term QB who you are really confident in, then leave fill the position another way. I'd rather stay with Beck, maybe bring in someone like Tolzien to add some QB depth, and find a long term solution next year (if there's someone they like better). Drafting the wrong QB in round 1 can really be a crippling experience.
Dr. FLK
05-02-2011, 12:53 PM
Silva at Rotoworld (http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/37849/174/draft-2011-nfc-grades?pg=2) gives them a pretty darn good grade.
Overview: The name of the game for Washington was trading down to recoup picks lost during the forgettable Vinny Cerrato era. But it's not like the Redskins didn't come away with good players. Entering the draft with the NFL's worst-looking roster, the Skins emerged with upwards of seven rookie-year starters. That's exactly the kind of rebuilding movement Washington needs to undergo. Kerrigan, Hankerson, and Helu were extremely productive per-play collegiates. In the late rounds, White and Neild stand out as rock-solid picks. The only reason Mike Shanahan's club doesn't get a full "A" is because it didn't pick up a quarterback.
Grade: A-