Vince Young (as reported) and other possible QB Targets (POLL)

[JDubs]

So like it or not (I'm in the not camp for the most part), the South Florida South-Sentinel is reporting, from unnamed sources, that the Redskins are the front-runners for Vince Young's services. Redskins beat writer Rich Tandler has also heard talk of Vince Young in the nation's capital, so the smoke is building here. Due a $4.25 million bonus in addition to his $8.5 million salary, Young is likely to be released rather than traded. The Redskins are one of very few teams with no semblance of a viable starting QB. It's easy to see why V.Y. would be interested in signing on, as it's his quickest path to playing time. [SOURCE (http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2011/05/whats-chirping-how-can-miami-dolphins-land-a-qb.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sports%2FMiamiDolphinsweb)]

Ugh.

This made me want to know exactly which QBs are available for the Redskins to acquire. NOTE: I am working under the assumption that McNabb will be traded and the Redskins will return to more traditional methods of killing worms.

- Stick with Grossbeck: By most accounts, the Shanaplan in this scenario would be to give Beck a shot.
- Sign FA Vince Young: I'm obviously assuming that the Titans are going to move on from him. He has some intangibles, but lacks accuracy. I'm a bit baffled by the interest because he does not appear to fit the Shanahan system (skill set or attitude).
- Trade in division for Eagles Kevin Kolb: It'll likely take a 1st or 2nd & 3rd type package.
- Trade for Kyle Orton: There are rumors that a deal with Haynesworth is possible. I do not believe these rumors, but they are worth mentioning.
- Sign FA Mark Bulger: Probably not ideal and it is said that he will sign with the Cards once free agency begins.
- Sign Matt Hasselbeck: For what it is worth, Peter King said he will not be returning to Seattle.
- Sign FA Peyton Manning to a 1 Gazillion $$ deal: Kidding.
- Sign FA Brett Farve: Kidding and vomiting in my mouth.
- Sign FA Seneca Wallace: Ummm...yeah, we could do that.
- Sign FA Matt Moore: Filled in adequately at times in Carolina...and inadequately at others.
- Sign FA Alex Smith: 49ers drafted Nevada QB Colin Kaepernick and may be finished with the Alex Smith Experiment. I am finished with it myself.
- Sign FA Caleb Hanie: Showed some things in the playoffs, but will likely be kept by CHI
- Sign FA Matt Leinart: I don't think Houston will him go, but he does carry a clipboard with authority.

Other Free Agents:
Todd Collins (CHI)
Brady Quinn (DEN)
Drew Stanton (DET)
Trent Edwards (JAC)
Luke McCown (JAC)
Brodie Croyle (KC)
Chad Pennington (MIA)
Tyler Thigpen (MIA)
Tarvaris Jackson (MIN)
Jim Sorgi (NYG)
Kellen Clemens (NYJ)
Kyle Boller (OAK) (HE'S AVAILABLE!!!)
Bruce Gradkowski (OAK)
Dennis Dixon (PIT)
Billy Volek (SD)
Troy Smith (SF)
Kerry Collins (TEN)

And as always...
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If there is a brightside, it is that if Big Ben keeps living by this motto, he will be available soon too. Then we can go get him (and hide our kids, hide our wives, hide our husbands...)

[mweb]

I like Young or Jackson to compete with one or both of Rex and Beck.

[OrioleMagic]

I posted what Schefter said in the draft thread that JDubs made... He says it's Beck. And Grossman is an FA.

[JDubs]

I posted what Schefter said in the draft thread that JDubs made... He says it's Beck. And Grossman is an FA.

Ah. That thread was actually started by backwardsk, just to give due credit. It was good information, so I'm reposting it (hope you don't mind!):


This is a partial quote from Schefter on ESPN Insider:

Q: Adam, enjoyed watching you during NFL draft coverage first off! I was wondering what you think Mike Shanahan and the Washington Redskins plan to do at QB? I've heard John Beck (hard to believe), Albert Haynesworth for Kyle Orton and even a possibility of Vince Young. Who will be Shanahan's franchise QB?

-- Brendan (N.C.)

A: For now, Brendan, it looks like Beck. But let's clear up some loose ends. Washington never seriously considered a quarterback in Round 1 and never was going to trade up for one in this draft. Ever. And with the Redskins passing up the chance to draft a quarterback, the signs now point to Beck as Washington's starting quarterback in 2011. For starters, the team is expected to try to trade Donovan McNabb, and Rex Grossman is scheduled to be a free agent, leaving Beck as the only veteran quarterback under contract. It's also worth pointing out that Beck had better stats as a senior at Brigham Young than the quarterbacks the Redskins could have drafted and didn't at the top of the draft. During his senior season, Beck threw 32 touchdown passes and only eight interceptions, while completing 69.3 percent of his passes. Plus, Washington likes Beck's sense of timing and the skills he demonstrated during his one year with the team. The Redskins didn't think that many of these young quarterbacks would leave them any better off than Beck would. They're big believers in Beck, a player they acquired last summer from Baltimore for cornerback Doug Dutch. So you might as well believe, Brendan. All signs now point to Beck as the opening-day starter.

I was afraid of this. I know that this his been his publicly stated intention, but I have been hoping that there is a non-public Plan A as well. It would make sense not to make it public because it can only be negative if a player hears that he is not the coaches guy (e.g. Cutler in Denver...not that Beck is Jay Cutler).

So I guess my question is, which of these two pieces of information is more recent/accurate (VY vs John Beck)?

[allstar1579]

I like Young or Jackson to compete with one or both of Rex and Beck.

Yeah I tend to agree somewhere in this ballpark. At this point I think I'm a fan of giving Beck a shot, with the Gross one as a backup, and signing some 3rd QB to either be insurance or just to try out in ST and see if they can wow someone with a quick intro to the offense. I'm expecting to solve long term QB issues next year, but I'd love to see if Beck could be the guy, kinda like Torain proved he deserved a shot last season. Better to find something you already own than to overspend for something you coulda had similar for free.

[OrioleMagic]

I think most Coaches and GMs will see Young as a project with risk. I don't think he gets a starting job until he can prove he is a team-player and not a problem in the locker room. With that said, maybe both stories are correct and Shanahan wants to let Beck and Young compete for the job.

[JDubs]

So what you all are saying is that we are all in consensus. :laughlol:

[allstar1579]

I think most Coaches and GMs will see Young as a project with risk. I don't think he gets a starting job until he can prove he is a team-player and not a problem in the locker room. With that said, maybe both stories are correct and Shanahan wants to let Beck and Young compete for the job.

I don't see much truth to any of this though, I think it's just media rumor-mongering connecting vacancy A with free-spending team A and available player B. At some point and time, 98% of the FA out there will be linked to the Redskins, that's just how it goes. I just can't see Shanny signing on with a guy that supposedly has character concerns. Now if he met with him and decided he liked him, maybe, but I just think Shanny is too hard nosed for a guy like that. I could be wrong though.

[ccbird]

I honestly think Beck could be your guy. I said that a few years ago when we traded him to you. Young would bring some excitement and probably could get you guys 8 or 9 wins but he's not a championship caliber QB. IMO, the worse thing you could do is pay a premium price for Kolb.

[Sports Guy]

Why wouldn't you go after Vince Young if you are the Skins?

I know he has some issues but the guy does win and you need someone to compete with Beck.

At least Young has some upside.

[allstar1579]

Why wouldn't you go after Vince Young if you are the Skins?

I know he has some issues but the guy does win and you need someone to compete with Beck.

At least Young has some upside.

Not saying not to personally, I just know that Shanny won't have anything to do with guys that don't fall in line and I worry if VY is one of those or not. Haynesworth would NEVER have been signed if Shanny was here first. Unfortunately, I think Hall also might not have been signed. It's kinda like living with Gary Williams, you know he's going to go and coach and be respected, but he's not going to play BS games or take character risks, which can cost you.

[OrioleMagic]

Why wouldn't you go after Vince Young if you are the Skins?
I know he has some issues but the guy does win and you need someone to compete with Beck.

At least Young has some upside.

The Skins will be cautious regarding Young with Haynesworth burning them so recently. The guy may have all the talent in the world, but if he doesn't fit with Shanahan's program... and has a history of conflict with a Head Coach and in the locker room...

The answer to your question is very obvious.

[Sports Guy]

The Skins will be cautious regarding Young with Haynesworth burning them so recently. The guy may have all the talent in the world, but if he doesn't fit with Shanahan's program... and has a history of conflict with a Head Coach and in the locker room...

The answer to your question is very obvious.

I get all of that but what do you lose by bringing him in?

Let's say he is a problem...just drop him. Who cares?

If I am the Skins, I bring in Young and some kind of veteran to be a 3rd QB, like say Volek. This way, if Young is a problem, you just cut him and have a vet back up.

They are obviously comfortable with Beck at this point, so if he is the starter, that's fine.

[allstar1579]

I get all of that but what do you lose by bringing him in?

Let's say he is a problem...just drop him. Who cares?

If I am the Skins, I bring in Young and some kind of veteran to be a 3rd QB, like say Volek. This way, if Young is a problem, you just cut him and have a vet back up.

They are obviously comfortable with Beck at this point, so if he is the starter, that's fine.

The veteran will be Grossman, no question. He knows the system really well and he and little Shan are good friends. Much worse backups out there. The 3rd QB should absolutely be someone to compete with Beck, with the loser being 3rd QB.

[backwardsk]

I honestly think Beck could be your guy. I said that a few years ago when we traded him to you. Young would bring some excitement and probably could get you guys 8 or 9 wins but he's not a championship caliber QB. IMO, the worse thing you could do is pay a premium price for Kolb.

This post pretty much sums up my thoughts on the subject. I'll add that Kyle Shanahan is out to prove that his system can work like it did in Houston. But to do that, he'll need a QB with experience in his system to execute it. With the lock out, I don't see them bringing in a high profile vet, like Young. I'm look forward to seeing what Beck can do. I also believe that Grossman will re-sign.

[Sports Guy]

The veteran will be Grossman, no question. He knows the system really well and he and little Shan are good friends. Much worse backups out there. The 3rd QB should absolutely be someone to compete with Beck, with the loser being 3rd QB.

Ok, that's fine.

So, bring in Young to compete...But I will say this...Bruce Gradkowski may be the sleeper of that entire group.

[OrioleMagic]

ESPN Rumors doubts Young coming to the Skins via trade, and says signing him as an FA is not a high priority.

ESPN Blogger says Denver radio stations are saying they heard of a Haynesworth for Orton trade. This is likely due to Denver not selecting a DT, a huge need, and Washington not selecting a QB, another huge need.

The soap opera continues...

[allstar1579]

ESPN Rumors doubts Young coming to the Skins via trade, and says signing him as an FA is not a high priority.

ESPN Blogger says Denver radio stations are saying they heard of a Haynesworth for Orton trade. This is likely due to Denver not selecting a DT, a huge need, and Washington not selecting a QB, another huge need.

The soap opera continues...

This I could deal with. Mostly from addition by subtraction.

[JDubs]

ESPN Rumors doubts Young coming to the Skins via trade, and says signing him as an FA is not a high priority.

ESPN Blogger says Denver radio stations are saying they heard of a Haynesworth for Orton trade. This is likely due to Denver not selecting a DT, a huge need, and Washington not selecting a QB, another huge need.

The soap opera continues...

I don't understand why we would trade for a guy that we could likely get in FA at a reduced contract.

If we are trading for the guy, it better be for a bag of footballs. We can't trade players until the CBA is hashed out, so it means the trade would likely involve only picks (NOOOOO) or will not be finalized until there is a new CBA. If we trade anything higher than a 6 rounder for him, I'll be furious.

If on the other hand, we trade Malcolm Kelly and Haynesworth for him, then I'd be fine.

[OrioleMagic]

I don't understand why we would trade for a guy that we could likely get in FA at a reduced contract.

If we are trading for the guy, it better be for a bag of footballs. We can't trade players until the CBA is hashed out, so it means the trade would likely involve only picks (NOOOOO) or will not be finalized until there is a new CBA. If we trade anything higher than a 6 rounder for him, I'll be furious.

If on the other hand, we trade Malcolm Kelly and Haynesworth for him, then I'd be fine.

I don't know where you get a pick being involved. The blog I read said the RUMOR was Haynesworth for Orton straight up.

[Sports Guy]

ESPN Rumors doubts Young coming to the Skins via trade, and says signing him as an FA is not a high priority.

ESPN Blogger says Denver radio stations are saying they heard of a Haynesworth for Orton trade. This is likely due to Denver not selecting a DT, a huge need, and Washington not selecting a QB, another huge need.

The soap opera continues...Zero chance Denver does that deal, at least straight up.

[JDubs]

I don't know where you get a pick being involved. The blog I read said the RUMOR was Haynesworth for Orton straight up.

Ah, sorry, misread. I thought it said that VY trade was likely, not unlikely. That's more like it--if we are going to go after VY, it should definitely be through FA.

I like Orton, but clearly, a straight up Orton/Haynesworth deal is a fantasy. It would have to include picks or another player. In fact, the other player would have to be the centerpiece because AH is virtually valueless at the moment.

[OrioleMagic]

Ah, sorry, misread. I thought it said that VY trade was likely, not unlikely. That's more like it--if we are going to go after VY, it should definitely be through FA.

I like Orton, but clearly, a straight up Orton/Haynesworth deal is a fantasy. It would have to include picks or another player. In fact, the other player would have to be the centerpiece because AH is virtually valueless at the moment.

I disagree with this. I think his value is diminished from a top 3 DT in the NFL that he was when Snyder signed him, but he is not valueless. I believe Shanahan will get something for him, but it won't be what he would be worth if he hadn't been a crybaby all year.

[Sports Guy]

I disagree with this. I think his value is diminished from a top 3 DT in the NFL that he was when Snyder signed him, but he is not valueless. I believe Shanahan will get something for him, but it won't be what he would be worth if he hadn't been a crybaby all year.

Do you have Burgundy colored sunglasses on?

With that contract and the headache he has been, there is no way AH has any value unless you are dealing with a moron. He is worse than TO ever was.

[JDubs]

I disagree with this. I think his value is diminished from a top 3 DT in the NFL that he was when Snyder signed him, but he is not valueless. I believe Shanahan will get something for him, but it won't be what he would be worth if he hadn't been a crybaby all year.

Yeah, I mean, I want to be with you here...but as much as it would be nice to get a good return for AH, he has so many strikes against him.

Most importantly, everyone knows that we are done with him, so regardless of whether he will do well elsewhere, he won't do well here...and everyone knows it. I think we are secretly (or not so much) desperate to get rid of AH. That alone makes his value plummet--like a distressed property that is for sale. It doesn't matter what the property is worth, only that its seller needs to get rid of it immediately.

Then, add in all of his legal troubles and corresponding likelihood that he will be suspended in the not too distant future. He has been indicted and placed on probation for driving 103 mph in a traffic incident from last March. Then he was cited for misdemeanor reckless driving and driving without registration. He did not tell his probation officer about the latter incident. He was later indicted for assault (road rage). And most recently, indicted with sexual abuse for assaulting a waitress. ALL while on probation. He is the defendant in a high-profile and pricey paternity suit. That's off the top of my head. I feel like there is more.

Oh, and the guy can play darn good football when properly motivated. So could Pacman Jones.

Like I said, I'm with you on AH. Let's get the most that we possibly can for him, but I'm trying to have realistic expectations. If we get a 6 rounder or better, then I will be ok with it. Unfortunately, the time to sell on AH was just a few minutes after we signed him. Since then, his value has been plummeting.

Also, while I believe in Shanny's trading prowess (or perhaps Bruce Allen's), Shanahan values high character and hard work above all else. I think he would cut AH without a second thought before keeping him on the roster. I don't believe that he'll turn down a lowball offer if it is the only one on the table, because I believe that he is planning on cutting AH as a last resort anyways.

[JDubs]

It is very interesting to me that the Grossbeck option is the leading choice so far. I voted Orton in the somewhat remote possibility that John Fox and the Broncos have fallen in love with AH, but I know that is unlikely. My second choice would have been Grossbeck too. So, perhaps, Shanahan & Son know what they are doing here.

It is nice to see the Redskins taking the Amy Winehouse approach to building a football team. Make as many unsexy moves as possible and buy the Ferrari only after you have build your franchise. We've been taking the Britney Spears approach for way too long. Sure the sexy moves were fun at the time, but eventually, you are going to have a bald Albert Haynesworth standing outside of your facility screaming and swinging an umbrella at everyone.

[allstar1579]

Do you have Burgundy colored sunglasses on?

With that contract and the headache he has been, there is no way AH has any value unless you are dealing with a moron. He is worse than TO ever was.

His contract is very team friendly now. It was SEVERELY front loaded with that balloon bonus he got last year. I think it comes out to like 2-3 years at like $4-5m per year for the rest of it. I can't remember the exact numbers, and I have to go mow the lawn so I really don't feel like looking them up again ;)

[JDubs]

His contract is very team friendly now. It was SEVERELY front loaded with that balloon bonus he got last year. I think it comes out to like 2-3 years at like $4-5m per year for the rest of it. I can't remember the exact numbers, and I have to go mow the lawn so I really don't feel like looking them up again ;)

Ah, yes. I meant to bring this up. And I agree, the most overlooked factor of desirability for AH is his contract moving forward. Still, I tend to be of two minds on this. It is great to get a player of AH's ability (assuming he chooses to use it) for that price tag; however, a player such as AH needs to be motivated somehow. He has demonstrated so far in his career that the most effective way to do that is with money. If you don't owe him any money, then you cannot hold it over him. He is basically free to do as he chooses until he is in a contract year again...which would be the 2015-16 season by my math.

[allstar1579]

Ah, yes. I meant to bring this up. And I agree, the most overlooked factor of desirability for AH is his contract moving forward. Still, I tend to be of two minds on this. It is great to get a player of AH's ability (assuming he chooses to use it) for that price tag; however, a player such as AH needs to be motivated somehow. He has demonstrated so far in his career that the most effective way to do that is with money. If you don't owe him any money, then you cannot hold it over him. He is basically free to do as he chooses until he is in a contract year again...which would be the 2015-16 season by my math.

Pretty sure there are a couple options on the end that no team will pick up (good sized options and bonuses that are not guaranteed). For all intents and purposes there is 1 year and $5.4m left on his deal. The option for next year is like $7.2m and then after that there is a $20m bonus no one is going to pay, and some option salaries for 13-15, all non-guaranteed. 2012 isn't even guaranteed. So really, if he doesn't perform well and gets let go, he's not going to get paid on that next contract. If he does perform well this year, a team could keep him for an avg. salary and let him go year after, which he will ALSO need to perform to make sure he gets paid on THAT contract. He's basically year to year until he signs a new deal.

[Sports Guy]

His contract is very team friendly now. It was SEVERELY front loaded with that balloon bonus he got last year. I think it comes out to like 2-3 years at like $4-5m per year for the rest of it. I can't remember the exact numbers, and I have to go mow the lawn so I really don't feel like looking them up again ;)

That helps...But 4-5 million for that walking pile of poop is still too much when you consider the baggage he brings.

TO at his worse was 100 times better to have on your team than this guy.

[JDubs]

Pretty sure there are a couple options on the end that no team will pick up (good sized options and bonuses that are not guaranteed). For all intents and purposes there is 1 year and $5.4m left on his deal. The option for next year is like $7.2m and then after that there is a $20m bonus no one is going to pay, and some option salaries for 13-15, all non-guaranteed. 2012 isn't even guaranteed. So really, if he doesn't perform well and gets let go, he's not going to get paid on that next contract. If he does perform well this year, a team could keep him for an avg. salary and let him go year after, which he will ALSO need to perform to make sure he gets paid on THAT contract. He's basically year to year until he signs a new deal.

So what your saying is, every year is a contract year until the contract expires? Well, shoot, let's keep him. :)

In all seriousness, I just don't think teams will pony up for a guy with so much baggage and who we are going to cut anyways. I hope they do, but I just can't logically justify it. The only team that would do that is the Cerrato Redskins and that doesn't help. Maaaybe, the Raiders. I think we need to pull some strings to get Cerrato another GM job. That's where the real payoff is.

[allstar1579]

That helps...But 4-5 million for that walking pile of poop is still too much when you consider the baggage he brings.

TO at his worse was 100 times better to have on your team than this guy.

Yeah, don't get me wrong I intensely dislike the guy. The only signing I hated more than him was Sanders. I just really studied that contract when he signed it cause it seemed fishy to me and noticed that there were a TON of loopholes and tricks in it. If some other team had a similar salary they were willing to swap and take a risk I would be ALL for it, no matter who it is. Was kinda hoping CIN might wanna trade Ochocinco for him, but that's too much of a pipe dream me thinks.

[allstar1579]

So what your saying is, every year is a contract year until the contract expires? Well, shoot, let's keep him. :)

In all seriousness, I just don't think teams will pony up for a guy with so much baggage and who we are going to cut anyways. I hope they do, but I just can't logically justify it. The only team that would do that is the Cerrato Redskins and that doesn't help. Maaaybe, the Raiders. I think we need to pull some strings to get Cerrato another GM job. That's where the real payoff is.

Yeah I agree, the only thing we MIGHT have going for trade value is since we are on the hook for this year's salary regardless if we cut him or not, they've shown they are willing to pretty much just bench him, eat the salary and waste a year of his productivity for another team. Now next year when we could be off the hook for the money they would let him go, but I could see them keeping him on the bench again if they don't get anything and cut him next year. Salary dump for salary dump could be attractive come training camp time.

[JDubs]

Yeah I agree, the only thing we MIGHT have going for trade value is since we are on the hook for this year's salary regardless if we cut him or not, they've shown they are willing to pretty much just bench him, eat the salary and waste a year of his productivity for another team. Now next year when we could be off the hook for the money they would let him go, but I could see them keeping him on the bench again if they don't get anything and cut him next year. Salary dump for salary dump could be attractive come training camp time.

Yeah, this is also true. I guess we'll just have to let it play out. Can't say it will be very interesting to watch though. I wouldn't mind going through one more offseason conditioning test saga. :)

[OrioleMagic]

Do you have Burgundy colored sunglasses on?

With that contract and the headache he has been, there is no way AH has any value unless you are dealing with a moron. He is worse than TO ever was.

I might have burgundy tinted sunglasses, but I like to think I can take them off when needed. Snyder as the owner forces us Skin fans to do that sometimes anyway. Haynesworth's contract is very attractive. IIRC, he has 9 M remaining for 2-3 years of playing time. Snyder paid everything up front.

We can disagree on this one. He is worth something. Not top level DT value, but also not "nothing".

[allstar1579]

I might have burgundy tinted sunglasses, but I like to think I can take them off when needed. Snyder as the owner forces us Skin fans to do that sometimes anyway. Haynesworth's contract is very attractive. IIRC, he has 9 M remaining for 3 years of playing time. Snyder paid everything up front.

We can disagree on this one. He is worth something. Not top level DT value, but also not "nothing".

Less than that. See my previous post, I found the details, this year is the last guaranteed at $5m, and everything else is non-g.

[Sports Guy]

I might have burgundy tinted sunglasses, but I like to think I can take them off when needed. Snyder as the owner forces us Skin fans to do that sometimes anyway. Haynesworth's contract is very attractive. IIRC, he has 9 M remaining for 2-3 years of playing time. Snyder paid everything up front.

We can disagree on this one. He is worth something. Not top level DT value, but also not "nothing".Sure, I bet some team would give up a 5th round pick for him...maybe.

But a guy like Orton? LOL...Zero chance of that. Way too many teams need a QB and he is better than what he gets credit for.

The contract does make him a little more valuable but he is a giant douche bag, who was just arrested and is nothing but a clubhouse cancer.

[OrioleMagic]

Sure, I bet some team would give up a 5th round pick for him...maybe.

But a guy like Orton? LOL...Zero chance of that. Way too many teams need a QB and he is better than what he gets credit for.

The contract does make him a little more valuable but he is a giant douche bag, who was just arrested and is nothing but a clubhouse cancer.

I can't argue with any of this. The Orton/Haynesworth deal is clearly just a local Denver rumor. I'd be happy with a trade for a young OL with some potential (which is probably a rough 5th round pick) or a special teams guy... anyone who can contribute in some fashion. Maybe we get lucky and someone gives us a little more, because they don't want to have to compete for his services on the FA market, and maybe they have a coach who has a prior relationship with him like Philly. Yes, he is a douche bag.

[allstar1579]

Sure, I bet some team would give up a 5th round pick for him...maybe.

But a guy like Orton? LOL...Zero chance of that. Way too many teams need a QB and he is better than what he gets credit for.

The contract does make him a little more valuable but he is a giant douche bag, who was just arrested and is nothing but a clubhouse cancer.

Hmmm, you know I was completely right there with you until this morning. Now I'm seeing more and more rumors that Orton isn't going to make the team, and if they aren't going to keep him it would make sense if they traded him (and his contract) for an expiring deal or a potential hole-filler at another position. Still don't think it's real likely, especially cause there are other teams looking for veteran or stop gap QBs so Orton should have a little value, but still enough to get me thinking...

[Sports Guy]

I can't argue with any of this. The Orton/Haynesworth deal is clearly just a local Denver rumor. I'd be happy with a trade for a young OL with some potential (which is probably a rough 5th round pick) or a special teams guy... anyone who can contribute in some fashion. Maybe we get lucky and someone gives us a little more, because they don't want to have to compete for his services on the FA market, and maybe they have a coach who has a prior relationship with him like Philly. Yes, he is a douche bag.

The shame of it all is he probably can still be a very good contributor. He is older now but also hasn't played a lot the last year or so, so his body should be rested.

[JDubs]

Hmmm, you know I was completely right there with you until this morning. Now I'm seeing more and more rumors that Orton isn't going to make the team, and if they aren't going to keep him it would make sense if they traded him (and his contract) for an expiring deal or a potential hole-filler at another position. Still don't think it's real likely, especially cause there are other teams looking for veteran or stop gap QBs so Orton should have a little value, but still enough to get me thinking...

If this is the case, then my urgency to go get Orton just went through the roof. He seems like the perfect game manager for the Shanahan offense. Although a potential Orton/Grossman reunion does make me a little nauseous.

[Sports Guy]

Hmmm, you know I was completely right there with you until this morning. Now I'm seeing more and more rumors that Orton isn't going to make the team, and if they aren't going to keep him it would make sense if they traded him (and his contract) for an expiring deal or a potential hole-filler at another position. Still don't think it's real likely, especially cause there are other teams looking for veteran or stop gap QBs so Orton should have a little value, but still enough to get me thinking...

There are too many teams that need a QB for Denver to take back that headache straight up.

Now, I guess there is some chance where Denver is enamored by AH but that's hard to believe right now.

I also could see something where they take on AH and get a 3rdish round pick as well.

But look at all the teams that need some kind of solid QB. Pretty much the entire NFC west needs a QB...Minnesota, Buffalo...Tennessee could maybe use one.

There are likely more that I am just forgetting off of the top of my head.

Just no way they can't do better than AH...again, unless they are so enamored by him and his upside that they think he is as good as it gets...but that's just hard to believe IMO.

[JDubs]

For the record, while I really, really want the Skins to go and get Orton, I do not believe a deal will happen centered on AH and Orton. If anything, it will look like...

Centerpiece Redskins Player X/Draft Pick(s)
Possible AH throw in

for

Kyle "Neck-Beard" Orton

Also, it makes entirely too much sense for it to actually happen. :rolleyes:

[ccbird]

Forgive me for asking this, but is there any chance McNabb is back?? I know it's assumed he won't be back but is it a lock?? Did Shanny or anyone else in the organization say NcNabb would be released before the lockout begun.

[backwardsk]

Forgive me for asking this, but is there any chance McNabb is back?? I know it's assumed he won't be back but is it a lock?? Did Shanny or anyone else in the organization say NcNabb would be released before the lockout begun.

He won't be released, IMO. But he won't be back. Shanahan has never said that publicly, and he wouldn't, but they'll split. They won't get what they gave up for him, but there are enough teams out there that'll want a QB. I would imagine Minnesota, Miami, and Arizona would be the top three destinations.

[allstar1579]

He won't be released, IMO. But he won't be back. Shanahan has never said that publicly, and he wouldn't, but they'll split. They won't get what they gave up for him, but there are enough teams out there that'll want a QB. I would imagine Minnesota, Miami, and Arizona would be the top three destinations.

I'll say that they will find a trade destination for him, but if for some reason they don't, he will be released in the last round of cuts in camp. His bonus isn't due until the first day of the regular season, so they can wait up until then to cut him and see what someone wants to pay (by then it's too late to learn another team's offense for the season), so they have all the leverage to trade him. But they won't pay that bonus.

[clapdiddy]

That helps...But 4-5 million for that walking pile of poop is still too much when you consider the baggage he brings.

TO at his worse was 100 times better to have on your team than this guy.

http://rhymeswithright.mu.nu/archives/images/MrHankey%5B1%5D.jpg
Mr. Hankey is offended that you would use that comparison! :D

[allstar1579]

Looks like MIN is plotting on VY. He and AP have been working out together, rumored to be schooling him on the playbook. RUMORED...but makes sense.

[JDubs]

Looks like MIN is plotting on VY. He and AP have been working out together, rumored to be schooling him on the playbook. RUMORED...but makes sense.

Very interesting. Of course, players are intermingling quite a bit right now, but the playbook stuff suggests more. It could be VY merely exploring whether he would like the system. A collateral effect of this would be that it would reduce the trade value of McNabb a bit since MN is of the primary targets for his services. It'll be interesting to keep an eye on that situation.

[backwardsk]

Looks like MIN is plotting on VY. He and AP have been working out together, rumored to be schooling him on the playbook. RUMORED...but makes sense.

That surprises me a little. I would think teams that just drafted a QB like Minnesota, Tennessee, and Cincinnati would be interested in a veteran on the backside of their career to help transition to their draft pick. Guys like Bulger and McNabb.

I've heard or read where it appears that Kolb is a done deal to Arizona. I still think McNabb's likely destination is Miami.

[allstar1579]

Yeah, I don't know if it's AP working out with him on his own, or if there is some behind the scenes reason they are working out together. There was a quick story on PFT about how MIN was not interested in VY because if they get a veteran they want one that can't REALLY win the job from Ponder, but I smell BS there, because what veteran-should-be-contending team wants to throw a rookie out there sink or swim?

[JDubs]

Bump.

I thought it would be humorous to go back and look at this thread. It still holds up though, IMO.

[backwardsk]

Bump.

I thought it would be humorous to go back and look at this thread. It still holds up though, IMO.

I think that funniest thing in this thread was the reports of VY in DC when a scam artist got busted in the area for impersonating VY.