When Does Someone Just Lose Their S---?

[JohnD]

Seriously, what a pathetic effort already. Are these guys focused on the All-Star break already? Andino is back to the bad Andino we saw at times last year, rather than the guy who got focused and played well when Buck had a foot up his behind.

We still have a washed up singles hitter hitting into double plays in the cleanup spot, while the guy who is far and away the best power hitter on the team hits 7th behind guys with nothing left but outs in their bats.

Then there's Felix Pie, who swings at balls in the dirt, has no power anymore, and isn't playing good defense. Yet Buck keeps trotting him out there. Actually, Buck keeps trotting half a lineup full of guys who simply aren't good big leaguers anymore. Maybe they were once, or someone once thought they could be, but half the lineup is damn near impotent at times.

And yet that's the same darn S we see every night. Seriously, it's the first damn inning and it's already 8-0. It's a joke. Major changes need to happen, pronto. This team hasn't been fun to watch in a while, hasn't inspired any hope in a while, and has no suggestion that things are going to get any better, ever.

[Enjoy Terror]

I lost mine about a half hour ago, when it was 4-0

[JTrea81]

MacPhail needs to be fired.

This team is his construction and he needs to take the fall.

Buck can only trot out the guys he has on his 25 man roster.

[ThisIsOurHouse]

Hopefully we will get a better idea what the FO is trying to do with this team on July 31st.

[thiscat41]

macphail needs to be fired.

This team is his construction and he needs to take the fall.

Buck can only trot out the guys he has on his 25 man roster.

let it go you tired ****!!

[JohnD]

What's their to wait for on July 31st? No one in the minor leagues is knocking on the door, and I'll be stunned if you get more than a backup AA third baseman for Vlad. Who would trade for Lee either? Changes need to start happening right now. Call up Angle and let him take Pie's role. He at least does what Pie is being asked to do better than Pie does, even if he can't even hit the ball to the warning track. The dead wood on this team isn't tradeable, and the parts that have value have no logical replacement. I'm sick of seeing terrible arse teams, and I don't want to see guys like Hardy or Reynolds or Jones traded so that they can lose 110 games instead of 90.

[Enjoy Terror]

let it go you tired ****!!

MacPhail does need to be fired. How can you stand behind this? Are you watching the game? Have you watched the past five games?

[JTrea81]

I think it's time to stop pretending Showalter is blameless. There's plenty of blame to go around to every single person in the organization.

What more can Buck do? He's already yelled at them.

He's part of the issue as Connor seemed to mess up the staff, but the construction of this roster and lack of quality depth is the ultimate factor.

This team was built like house of cards and a lot of things going right and that simply won't work.

[McNulty]

What more can Buck do? He's already yelled at them.

He's part of the issue as Connor seemed to mess up the staff, but the construction of this roster and lack of quality depth is the ultimate factor.

This team was built like house of cards and a lot of things going right and that simply won't work.

Not that I agree with any of this that follows, but -

What more can MacPhail do? He's already assembled a team that is vastly underperforming.

AM gave Buck full authority to choose his staff, and letting Kranny go hasn't worked out and the underperformance of EVERYONE is the ultimate factor.

This team was built to get above 500 and a lot of things aren't going right and simply aren't working on the FIELD.

See how the spin machine works?

[LookinUp]

let it go you tired ****!!

I've seen plenty of times on this site when Trea needs to let it go. This is not one of them. Shame on you, thiscat41. Your post is a fail.

Angelos owns this. MacPhail owns this. Buck probably owns part of it, but I'm beyond blaming managers. Too many have come, seen the same thing happen, and been replaced. The issue is above them. It's bigger than them. They are only men trying to do a good job.

[Pacman4MVP]

Games like this make me wish American sports had relegation/promotion systems

[eddie83]

What can Buck do? He's already yelled at them.

He's part of the issue, but the construction of this roster and lack of quality depth is the ultimate factor.

This team was built on a house of cards and a lot of things going right and that simply won't work.

This teams biggest problem is mental. They have no self belief and collapse at the first sign of failure. I think you started a thread after the Gregg blown save game and I started one recently about our record since that game. I know our pitching sucks right now, (an understatement) but the issues are deeper. Our BA with RISP and defense and pitching all collapsed at once. The losing culture is there for sure.

[Meh_Orioles]

Get rid of McPhail, Adair, and all the scouts. No, seriously. Please do it.

[LookinUp]

I'm beginning to wonder what is happening behind closed doors, to be honest. Connor left totally out of left field. Since then, the team has enterred a downward spiral.

What is going on? Am I really rooting for the #1 overall pick again? What a disaster.

[Can_of_corn]

What more can Buck do? He's already yelled at them.

He's part of the issue as Connor seemed to mess up the staff, but the construction of this roster and lack of quality depth is the ultimate factor.

This team was built like house of cards and a lot of things going right and that simply won't work.

You don't think Buck was on board with additions like Lee, Vlad and Gregg?

My guess is he was pushing, and pushing hard for "Veteran influences" and a "proven closer".

[Eddie_Ripken]

I just keep coming back to what I said the other day. Angelos is the common denominator in all of this. The organization has been completely turned over how many times in the past 13 years and we keep seeing the EXACT same stuff. As LookinUP mentions there has to be something going on behind closed doors. I am convinced it has something to do with Angelos. There is no other explanation....13 years of this crap....and he is the only one who has been here for ALL of it.

EDIT: Angelos is the only one BESIDES US!!!! And I am not taking the blame for any of this sh *t dang it!!! :eek:

[JTrea81]

You don't think Buck was on board with additions like Lee, Vlad and Gregg?

My guess is he was pushing, and pushing hard for "Veteran influences" and a "proven closer".

Buck wanted Victor Martinez badly.

He wound up with Derrek Lee.

Vlad has a been a disppointment, no doubt, but his signing is also due to a failure to upgrade more significantly elsewhere.

Gregg has been Gregg and he's on pace for 30 saves. Gregg also is a heck of a lot less important when your starting pitching is just in shambles.

[JohnD]

I'm far from impressed with the job Buck has done this year. This season looks like any other of the last 10 years, except there's more talent on this team. But it's not winning.

[Gurgi]

I think it's time to stop pretending Showalter is blameless. There's plenty of blame to go around to every single person in the organization.

Buck signed off on Lee and Vlad. He has a man crush on Andino. He loves Pie.

This is Bucks team.

[Majopa]

Buck signed off on Lee and Vlad. He has a man crush on Andino. He loves Pie.

This is Bucks team.

not to mention izturdis

[waroriole]

What's left to say really? This team is a joke. The players obviously have no pride or intestinal fortitude. The organization is the laughing stock of MLB, and all we hear is spin about how we're doing what we can. Garbage. The entire organization needs to be cleaned out, and sprayed down. Maybe cancel next year's games in an effort to get the stink out. Pathetic.

[ThisIsOurHouse]

What's their to wait for on July 31st? No one in the minor leagues is knocking on the door, and I'll be stunned if you get more than a backup AA third baseman for Vlad. Who would trade for Lee either? Changes need to start happening right now. Call up Angle and let him take Pie's role. He at least does what Pie is being asked to do better than Pie does, even if he can't even hit the ball to the warning track. The dead wood on this team isn't tradeable, and the parts that have value have no logical replacement. I'm sick of seeing terrible arse teams, and I don't want to see guys like Hardy or Reynolds or Jones traded so that they can lose 110 games instead of 90.

Your correct that the trade deadline is going to make our team worse if we make some moves. I'm looking forward to the deadline because I want to see if the organization thinks they are a player like Fielder away from being able to win ballgames, or if they feel like they need to start from square one and start rebuilding all over again. I do not have preference which way the organization goes as like as they do something.

Where do you see our organization right now, are we a great player or two away from being a respectable, or do you think we need to rebuild everything?

[carolinaoriole]

We need to trade everyone fire everyone and start over. I am an eternal optimist but I just can not deal with players that give up. I would start with Andino. I would dfa him right after the game. They all look scared to death of making a mistake. They look so uptight. I have never seen them look this bad for this many games.They look like they do not want to be mlb players. They have more talent this year but they are playing terrible. Is it Buck?

[Meh_Orioles]

Buck has obviously done absolutely nothing to inspire this team. They play worse and worse every night. There is no way any MLB team should get destroyed every night out.

[waroriole]

I don't feel like watching these "games" anymore, what happened with Andino?

[waroriole]

I want to go to the next home game just so I can boo as loud as I can at every member of this f'in team.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Blizzard1090]

A complete joke. That's what this team is.. a joke.

[FarmSystem]

I seriously wonder if somebody will pull a Shea Hillenbrand and write "This is a sinking ship!" on a board someplace in the locker room.

[UMDTerrapins]

Well I suppose I shouldn't beat myself up for forgetting to Tivo the game? By the looks of this thread, I'm guessing we haven't quite broken out of our little bump in the road. Incidentally, I snapped many days ago. I applaud each and every one of you who outlasted me.

[foxfield]

MacPhail needs to be fired.

This team is his construction and he needs to take the fall.

Buck can only trot out the guys he has on his 25 man roster.

But I thought Buck was in control.....

[Camden_yardbird]

Well I suppose I shouldn't beat myself up for forgetting to Tivo the game? By the looks of this thread, I'm guessing we haven't quite broken out of our little bump in the road. Incidentally, I snapped many days ago. I applaud each and every one of you who outlasted me.

Yep, I am done too. Have been, will be. Most of the time a trade or something gets me back. This time it might take a GM change, and owner change, or contraction.

[waroriole]

Yep, I am done too. Have been, will be. Most of the time a trade or something gets me back. This time it might take a GM change, and owner change, or contraction.

Ahh, sweet relief. Then we'd all be free to find a new team without feelings of regret.

[msporter4]

Too bad we cannot simply fire the man who is ultimately responsible for the past 13 years. This organization will simply never be anything as long as Peter Angelos and Company owns the team. It really is that simple. I don't care how many scouts, coaches, managers, general mangers you hire and fire they simply will never be a well run organization until an Angelos is no longer in the ownership seat.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Buck should have lost his and pulled Andino and Pie off of the field in the first inning. Especially since he pulled Britton, who didn't do well but should have been well out of the inning. The first question that should be asked of him tonight is why he is unwilling to hold his players accountable.

I'd ask him that. I don't care if he exploded at me; I'd just ask why he can't show that kind of frustration to the fans who feel the exact same way and yet see nothing from the team nor from him to suggest anything is changing.

[paulcoates]

You seriously have to consider turning in your fan card until Angelos sells this team. I know I am. Berate me all you want. This team is almost not worth rooting for. A group of losers, from the owners right on down to the players.

I doubt this team could win the International League crown

[Frobby]

You don't think Buck was on board with additions like Lee, Vlad and Gregg?

My guess is he was pushing, and pushing hard for "Veteran influences" and a "proven closer".

At Fan Fest, Buck made it pretty clear that he was hoping for the O's to land Vlad.

[waroriole]

You seriously have to consider turning in your fan c ard until Angelos sells this team. I know I am. And berate me all you want. This team is almost not worth rooting for. A group of losers. From the owners right on down to the players.

I doubt this team could win the International League crown

At this point, I don't see how anyone should be berated for quitting on this team.

It's not something I think I could ever do, but I wouldn't hold it against anyone.

[clapdiddy]

Again...I would not be surprised to see Buck resign at the end of this season. And...I wouldn't blame him.

[Can_of_corn]

Again...I would not be surprised to see Buck resign at the end of this season. And...I wouldn't blame him.

I would blame him, he signed on for this, he should honor the contract. At least he is getting paid handsomely to watch the games.

[Meh_Orioles]

Again...I would not be surprised to see Buck resign at the end of this season. And...I wouldn't blame him.

good riddance if you ask me. What has he done that Trembley didn't do?

[olehippi]

The Orioles pitchers have basically been throwing batting practice for teams much of the last two months. How is it possible for a team that considered its young pitchers a strength, suddenly have them all look like a bunch who should be on a junior varsity high school team? They're a laughing stock yet again. I wish finger pointing could solve the problem, but it won't. When does this nightmare end? But it really doesn't matter - I can no longer watch and I suspect a lot of other fans are dthinking the same.

[tinamodotti]

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[murph]

Wow, this thread is depressing, not surprising, just depressing. Personally, I just got a few minutes to check the box score and here...saw 8-3, was sorry I missed the 3-run top of the 5th (not sorry I missed the first..ha). Wishing I had a chance to sit and watch, I can't (for good reasons), but still want to see more of the O's....even with it this bad.

I do hope big changes come and this mess gets straightened out soon, not likely, but I am hoping something happens for the better. Either way, it is still just baseball to me...

[CHiPs]

I might as well chime in. $#@@!$#@#@!$%#@!$!!!!!!!! Is it really too much to ask to have our starters go 2 innings? How did it fall apart that quickly and that severly?! I refuse to believe a pitching coach has THAT much to do with on-field performance. And seriously, who on this team is even competing anymore??!?! If we competed every night, we'd at least luck into a win here and there. Nobody cares. They're all just collecting their paychecks and their precious per diems.

[tennOsfan]

Last night I tuned in to watch one pitch -- ONE PITCH! -- and it was Derrek Lee grounding into a double play. I turned it back to bicycling, and I've been happy ever since.

[Sparkwinder]

Gregg is our man. Fistfight with David Ortiz.

[paulcoates]

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gregg can not fight

[ccbird]

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gregg can not fight

Papi looks worse there. You charge the pitcher push give him a little push. WTF was that. Then once people get between him and Gregg he acts all tough again like he wants a piece.

[Purple Oriole]

CANNOT WAIT FOR FOOTBALL! Go Ravens!

[LA2]

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gregg can not fight

Gregg was fine. Ortiz had NOTHING, even after Matt shoved him about 10 feet. What a WUSS, PAPI!!! :laughlol:

[JohnD]

I guess Gregg finally did. Good for him.

[El Gordo]

I think the question that needs to be asked is why are all of our SP, who were doing so well the last 2 months of 2010 doing so poorly now. I don't recall many posters here saying that Matusz, Guthrie, Arrieta, Britton and Tillman were doomed to failure, in ST. How did AM screw them up this season to the point where none of them are effective. I didn't realize he was the pitching coach as well as the GM. This team is not losing because Vlad and DLee aren't producing. it's not losing because Reynolds has 20 E's, or Hardy made his first one tonight. The promising SP that everyone here had high hopes for have tanked. That's what you have to ask your self why about. I have my theory and it's innitials are MC, and the responsibilty rests primarily on the guy who hired him who's innitials are BS.

[Meh_Orioles]

I just want the Orioles to win a single game.......

Not fight, talk, bow up....just win a single game. Please.

Heck, lets have one game in which we don't allow double digit runs. Please?!

[Gurgi]

I just want the Orioles to win a single game.......

Not fight, talk, bow up....just win a single game. Please.

Heck, lets have one game in which we don't allow double digit runs. Please?!

You ask too much. Baby steps. I will accept a rumble for now.

[ThisIsOurHouse]

I just want the Orioles to win a single game.......

Not fight, talk, bow up....just win a single game. Please.

Heck, lets have one game in which we don't allow double digit runs. Please?!

If I had the choice between us winning yesterday or us fighting yesterday I would choose the fight ten out of ten times. We needed to see some fire out of this team because this team has lacked it the past couple weeks. Now tonight I expect a win because this team will be motivated after last night.

[NewMarketSean]

Buck should have lost his and pulled Andino and Pie off of the field in the first inning. Especially since he pulled Britton, who didn't do well but should have been well out of the inning. The first question that should be asked of him tonight is why he is unwilling to hold his players accountable.

I'd ask him that. I don't care if he exploded at me; I'd just ask why he can't show that kind of frustration to the fans who feel the exact same way and yet see nothing from the team nor from him to suggest anything is changing.

Great point, BTerp. Thats why people think Buck is different than he was last year.

[BaltimoreTerp]

If I had the choice between us winning yesterday or us fighting yesterday I would choose the fight ten out of ten times. We needed to see some fire out of this team because this team has lacked it the past couple weeks. Now tonight I expect a win because this team will be motivated after last night.

Last night changed nothing.

[maybenxtyr]

Last night changed nothing.

I agree. I do not have a problem with the team showing a little fight, and pitching inside, but this is an absolute joke.

I find it even more sad that this is the high point for most O's fans this year. For me, I have been a fan for close to 30 years, and this may be the lowest point of them all. If Buck can not motivate the team to play, or their paychecks do not motivate them then they need to get out of baseball.

This is just crap at its finest.

[jabba72]

I think people including MacPhail and Buck way overestimated our young pitching staff. Its going to be more of the same until Tillman and Matusz's tired arms and shoulders come back. Britton seems to already have hit a wall and will be shutdown in late August. Arreita's innings will probably be limited also. This team came into the season unprepared. The blame needs to go to MacPhail and whatever scouts told him the staff was ok for not recognizing it.

Total disaster.