Edwin Jackson?

[Sportsaddict]

New to the board. While this may have been previously discussed, interested in your take as Jackson being a #2 or #3 starter? He intrigues me.

[Sports Guy]

Not worth what it will take to bring him here.

[Sportsaddict]

Would you pay 3/24? I would. Or does he get more than that in this pitching-thin market?

[El Gordo]

I think Jackson will be in high demand and very expensive to sign with the O's. Much more than his value IMO. If we could get him for something like 3/30M I'd be OK with that, but I don't think we can. He has been worth 15M + the past three seasons, and I think that's where his asking price will begin. If he has a good WS he could be even costlier. Boston, MFY's and Texas, are sure to have an interest.

[Sports Guy]

Would you pay 3/24? I would. Or does he get more than that in this pitching-thin market?He will get way more than that. He will get 4-5 years from a contender.

As you said, its a pitching thin market and he is still relatively young.

[Sportsaddict]

I can't imagine Jackson getting 15m per year. No way I go close to that. I would go 3/30 given the market and our need for pitching. I'd look at Floyd and Nolasco as well via trade.

[Sportsaddict]

He will get way more than that. He will get 4-5 years from a contender.

As you said, its a pitching thin market and he is still relatively young.

Then let them have him. If a team wants to go 5 years on him, I would not stand in their way. I would at least enter the derby although as previously referenced, his pricetag inevitably rises with each quality start he makes in the postseason.

[Mr Snuffleupagus]

Then let them have him. If a team wants to go 5 years on him, I would not stand in their way. I would at least enter the derby although as previously referenced, his pricetag inevitably rises with each quality start he makes in the postseason.

That's the beauty of Dave Duncan. He's constantly turning these mediocre pitchers into Cy Young wannabe's. Edwin Jackson will likely be back to his old ways if he doesn't stay with the Cardinals all while being grossly overpaid.

[Biff Tannen]

That's the beauty of Dave Duncan. He's constantly turning these mediocre pitchers into Cy Young wannabe's. Edwin Jackson will likely be back to his old ways if he doesn't stay with the Cardinals all while being grossly overpaid.

Oh, cuz. But Dave Duncan didn't actually do anything to improve on Edwin's season. Basically continued the same season he was having in Chicago. But I agree, he'll get too many dollars.

[jamalshw]

I would go as high as 4/40 and maybe even a million or two over that. I would NOT go 5-years, however. If he'd be willing to sign a 3-year deal, I'd offer 3/33. I would love to pick him up and slot him in the 2 or 3 spot in the rotation.

It really depends on the team's budget for 2012 to what I would ultimately be comfortable offering Jackson. I want him, but I don't want him to be our clear-cut best pitching acquisition. If we got him, I would want another arm or equal or greater skill. Overall, I would prefer an ace, but I don't see that happening.

[EagleOriole]

I would like to go hard after Jackson. I think he is a realistic target for the Orioles.

[UMDTerrapins]

I'm not a big fan, but if you really want him, offer him 4 years and a NTC. He's only 28 years old and could be joining his 7th organization. Hell, he grew up in Germany until he was eight. If ever there was a guy who might sign for less just to have a little security, this is him. Go get him ___________ (unnamed and essentially powerless future GM).

[El Gordo]

I would like to go hard after Jackson. I think he is a realistic target for the Orioles.Probably need to offer 5/60M to even get his attention.

[The Rick]

FWIW he's been worth about $16MM per season over the last 3 years, and he's 28 years old. He eats up a lot of innings. Still, the max I'd be comfortable with would be 4, but there's a chance he'd be worth the contract he's looking at receiving.

[El Gordo]

MFY's, Sux, TEX, and Gnats will be after him among others.

[ShaneDawg85]

Let the Yankees overpay for him.

[CA-ORIOLE]

New to the board. While this may have been previously discussed, interested in your take as Jackson being a #2 or #3 starter? He intrigues me.

Like his stuff/upside. Too expensive and too little command.

[.500_OR_BETTER]

I would go as high as 4/40 and maybe even a million or two over that. I would NOT go 5-years, however. If he'd be willing to sign a 3-year deal, I'd offer 3/33. I would love to pick him up and slot him in the 2 or 3 spot in the rotation.

It really depends on the team's budget for 2012 to what I would ultimately be comfortable offering Jackson. I want him, but I don't want him to be our clear-cut best pitching acquisition. If we got him, I would want another arm or equal or greater skill. Overall, I would prefer an ace, but I don't see that happening.

The O's number one goal this offseason is to get younger and better in the minors. I would not expect the O's to sign any big name players that are going into their prime right now just because we are not ready to compete. If we get a solid group of prospects via trade this season and next, I would expect the O's to go after and able to sign top free agents.

I just dont see the O's going to for Jackson, Wilson, Fielder, etc.

[crawjo]

I'd be comfortable going 4/60 for him. He's young and durable. A quality #3 starter. That's worth a lot of money in my book.

[crawjo]

The O's number one goal this offseason is to get younger and better in the minors. I would not expect the O's to sign any big name players that are going into their prime right now just because we are not ready to compete. If we get a solid group of prospects via trade this season and next, I would expect the O's to go after and able to sign top free agents.

I just dont see the O's going to for Jackson, Wilson, Fielder, etc.

But it makes some sense for the Orioles to go after younger free agents. Jackson and Fielder are both still in their primes and presumably have several more productive years in them. That's a much better risk for the Orioles to take than a thirty-something free agent.

[jamalshw]

First, I don't see Jackson as in the same class as Fielder/Wilson. Second, I don't see them going all out in building the minors as you say. I would actually support a full-out rebuild, but that's not happening. As long as that's not happening, I want us to atleast go after guys that are going into their prime (or even currently in their prime) as opposed to way-over-the-hill as has been the O's MO in the past.

[Frobby]

I don't really get the love for Edwin Jackson. He's an average major league starter. His next five years aren't likely to be as good as Jeremy Guthrie's last five years, IMO.

[LookitsPuck]

I don't really get the love for Edwin Jackson. He's an average major league starter. His next five years aren't likely to be as good as Jeremy Guthrie's last five years, IMO.

ERA+
2008 - 100
2009 - 126
2010 - 95
2011 - 106

His control I have an issue with. I wouldn't mind going 4 years for the guy if the price was right. He was signed to a 2/$12.5 contract, so I think 4/$40-42 wouldn't be bad.

[DrungoHazewood]

I don't really get the love for Edwin Jackson. He's an average major league starter. His next five years aren't likely to be as good as Jeremy Guthrie's last five years, IMO.

Exactly. He's 28 and has a career ERA+ of 97. He has one year with an ERA+ over 108. He's basically Jeremy Guthrie with a much accelerated free agent clock.

I'll go out on a limb and say the Orioles can't compete stocking their cupboard with league-average, $13-15M/year free agents.

[SrMeowMeow]

I'd do 3/30. I wouldn't do 4/60, which I think is entirely possible.

[Stotle]

Exactly. He's 28 and has a career ERA+ of 97. He has one year with an ERA+ over 108. He's basically Jeremy Guthrie with a much accelerated free agent clock.

I'll go out on a limb and say the Orioles can't compete stocking their cupboard with league-average, $13-15M/year free agents.

Guthrie is not a bad comp, production wise, but using career ERA+ is silly. His last four years he has been a 106 ERA+ arm. He's clearly an above-average starter. He might be worth, or close to worth, the contract he gets. But he isn't the type of player Baltimore should be spending on.

The bolded -- to quote eminem -- I can't think of a perfecter way to put it.