Week 7: Ravens v Jaguars Post-Game Thoughts

[Birds of B'more]

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[MikeAD]

You're an evil man for even starting this. What a terrible performance. The defense played OK early but once the play became "run it straight up the middle" we should have caught on.

I am not sure we did anything right. I seriously wonder whether this is due to just not taking JAX seriously or if we got out-coached and out-played.

[paulcoates]

I don't blame the defense at all

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[paulcoates]

their 3 FG's were based on:

1)A great spot on a sack by Sizzle (at least 4 yds generous 37 yd line vs 41 yd line)

2)A total BS personal foul on Pollard

3)a running into the kicker which moved tjhem 5 yds closer for the FG

Each of these led to FG's which were the difference in the game. I wish I could say we "deserved" to win it, but we didn't

[Birds of B'more]

The defense was solid, that should not be overlooked given the fact all the other phases of the game were a disaster. They were going against a crappy offense, but they did their job.

[PrivateO]

Classic Ravens: great defense, mediocre (tonight, almost historically bad) offense.

[The Rick]

Classic Ravens: great defense, mediocre (tonight, almost historically bad) offense.

Here's the thing... the 26th ranked offense isn't mediocre... it's terrible.

[GoldGlove21]

Offensive lineman did not play well, this hold especially true for the Tackles. Flacco didn't have a lot of time and when he did have some the Jaguar corners were not allowing our receivers to separate. The Boldin touchdown was a great throw and catch, the coverage was very good. Ray Rice couldn't run the ball, but every run was up the middle. The tight ends were not even options for three quarters of the game. The missed field goal by Cundiff hurt.

Now, we gave that one away. We run into the kicker on a punt that leads to 3. We actually give the Jags the ball on an onside kick (Pretty solid one) when Cundiff could have kicked it out of bounds and we could have stopped the field goal that made it 12-7. It could still be 9-7 and we could be looking at a field goal for the win. I saw a few things from the refs that I didn't like (Pollard play) that led to a field goal, but I saw some much worse from the players inability to execute.

If you have to go on a game winning TD drive with 2 minutes in the fourth quarter, how many quarterbacks do you pick before you get to Flacco? The guy just looks lost sometimes and I wonder if he can read a defense in a capacity that will ever make him special verses what he is right now. I for one do not think that Flacco is the answer and it is not based on this game. I think that I give Ray Rice a good deal before Flacco and if I could do Flacco and a #1 (2012) and #2 (2013) for Luck, I would. To be fair to Flacco, even some of the good QB's look average behind an offensive line that has a terrible game.

This should have been a 17-12 win on a bad day, today was a REALLY bad day. Road losses to the Titans and Jags have me thinking that we could be in trouble on the road against the likes of the Bengals and Steelers without even looking at the schedule. The Ravens should be 6-0 right now and they are 4-2. We basically just gave the win over the Steelers away because now if we beat them we could be looking at records against common opponents and I would bet that we are going to be the wild card team once more.

[tylerfrombelair]

Random thoughts taken from the game:

1. The offensive line for three and a half quarters was flat out awful. There were many four man rushes that were collapsing the pocket, thus Flacco not getting enough on his throws and causing him to hurry his progressions. Gurode, and Oher were pushed around all night and called for penalties.

2. Flacco is not the sole reason we lost this game. Yes, he didn't pick apart a team thats 1-5 on national television but his recievers weren't garnering any separation from the DB's and running routes to get open in the zone. Jaguars put together a great game plan on defense and stuck to it the whole game. Ayanbedejo's stupid penalty on a 3rd down inside the 5 yd line which prolonged the drive, and Rice's fumble in the first quarter were bigger factors in the game than Flacco.

3. Defense played well tonight. MJD is a great back and occasionally the Ravens let up 100 yds to running backs in the season, but they contained him and kept the game close for the inept offense. Defensive line was putting pressure on Gabbert all night and the secondary didnt give up any big passing plays. The defense forced 3 fumbles and the offense turned those turnovers to 0 points.

4. The Ravens were out coached tonight plain and simple. No offensive adjustments were made in half time. When Flacco was getting hurried in the pocket everytime he was dropping back, Cam Cameron didn't put in more 3 step drop passes to combat the rush from the opposing defense.

My venting is over, hopefully everyone in the Ravens locker room is coming to realize that they just got embarrassed on national television and get there acts together for the remainder of the season. If performances like tonight are expected to be the norm for the remainder of the season the Ravens will be either sitting home watching the AFC Wild Card game, or in some one else's stadium playing in the AFC Wild Card Game.

[The Rick]

Cam Cameron is to the Ravens what Peter Angelos is to the Orioles.

Except hopefully Cameron's clock is ticking.

[Remember The Alomar]

I think Harbaugh sums it up pretty well:


John Harbaugh: 'It's about as bad as you can play on offense. I don't know if you can play any worse than that until that one last drive.'


http://twitter.com/#!/RavensInsider/status/128699623345889280

Damning.

[OregonBird]

Normally I would say that this is the game that will come back to haunt us come playoff time. However, there are still games vs CLE and CIN and a road game vs SEA. None of those are gimmes.

A wildcard is a possibility with this team.

[ccbird]

No this is definitely the game that will cost us the division. This team is too talented and has too light a schedule to miss the playoffs. They'll win at least 10 games. The offense was just horrible tonight. Bottom line. Not one single part of the offense played well. The Oline was atrocious, the Wrs got no seperation, Joe was watching his Oline and Rice had a bad game. Add it up along with our penalties and you get a horrible loss.


If there is one good thing that will come from this season it's that Cameron is a lock to get canned. This offense is regressing as the years go on. Teams are adjusting around him and Cameron can't counter the adjustments.

[RavNMadMan]

No this is definitely the game that will cost us the division. This team is too talented and has too light a schedule to miss the playoffs. They'll win at least 10 games. The offense was just horrible tonight. Bottom line. Not one single part of the offense played well. The Oline was atrocious, the Wrs got no seperation, Joe was watching his Oline and Rice had a bad game. Add it up along with our penalties and you get a horrible loss.


If there is one good thing that will come from this season it's that Cameron is a lock to get canned. This offense is regressing as the years go on. Teams are adjusting around him and Cameron can't counter the adjustments.

This......this is how we cough up the division each year. We'll get a wildcard and then Joe and the "traveling road show" will go to work again.

[RavNMadMan]

I think Harbaugh sums it up pretty well:



http://twitter.com/#!/RavensInsider/status/128699623345889280

Damning.

Sounds like somebody ain't too happy with the dude whose job he saved. A lockout won't save Cameron again......

[DuffMan]

Really glad I went to bed around 10 and didn't stay up to watch the rest of the game.

[Sports Guy]

Every comment you read from players and coaches from last night is directed at Cameron without saying his name.

How does Ray Rice only have 8 carries last night? You can't justify that.

[bOhs01]

Every comment you read from players and coaches from last night is directed at Cameron without saying his name.

How does Ray Rice only have 8 carries last night? You can't justify that.

The lack of adjustments is such a complete joke. The fact that we were running the same routes against the cover 2 over and over again even though the receivers were bracketed with underneath coverage just sums up Cam's tenure here. He does absolutely nothing to adjust during a game to what he's seeing. It's like we just bang our heads against a wall over and over again without realizing that it hurts. This offense is eerily similar to the one Jim Fassel was running when he got canned early on in the season.

[Hooded Viper]

I believe that Cameron was going to step down last season only to be talked out of it by Harbs. Well after last night he shouldn't let the door hit him in the ass. I am so sick of this mundane scheme and lack of adjustments. He has no feel for the game. A lot of things went wrong last night that has been covered already on this thread but Cam has to go!

[Sports Guy]

Why would any team run any defense other than a cover 2 against the Ravens?

Flacco can't perform against it and Cameron can't game plan against it.

They don't run it against the cover 2 either.

[ShaneDawg85]

The time to fire Cameron (other than before this season) was at the bye week. They're pretty much stuck with him for better, or in this case, definitely for worse.

[bOhs01]

It's just hard to understand how Cam can honestly think this offense is going to work. The routes are the same every week and very vanilla. When have you ever seen us run a quick slant, slant and go or a nice hard deep post. With the offensive line struggling you need to get the ball out of the hands of Flacco with plays like the slant. You've got two guys in Anquan and Torrey that are very well suited for that type of route yet it's never run. The Green Bay offense is so prolific under Aaron Rodgers partly because of there ability to get rid of the ball quickly especially on slants. Also with the line struggling why would you not run more screen passes to keep the defense honest, and no not screens to a fullback. We have one of the most talented running backs in the league in space and he would thrive off of the screen games yet he is never put in that position. Last year it was Leron Mcclain everytime they wanted to run a screen and this year it's Leach. It's so frustrating to watch the same thing fail time and time again. And for the love, please run some play action or put Flacco into the shot gun and spread it out a bit. Use his strengths for once.

[bmore_heat]

Cam needs to go no doubt about it. But at this point who do the Ravens have on staff that they could possibly hire to replace him. And I'm afraid Harbs would go with Brad Childress if they hired outside the organization.... any thoughts, Miller?

[TGO]

Why would any team run any defense other than a cover 2 against the Ravens?

Flacco can't perform against it and Cameron can't game plan against it.

They don't run it against the cover 2 either.

I think the problem last night was that the Jags played a lot more man coverage with their corners than Cam saw on tape, and our receivers and Flacco couldn't deal with it. I saw a lot of sideline routes that were just completely blanketed, so it didn't even matter what the safeties were doing. In the middle of the field they had Posluszny dropping into coverage a lot (sort of a cover 3) and that took away the shallow middle. You have to run the ball and bring him closer to the line of scrimmage. Rice had a bad game, though, and not just with the fumble. Dropped a pass and missed a ton of blitz pick ups. He just didn't look right. But we still should have run more, particularly since the game was so close/ugly.

[bOhs01]

I think the problem last night was that the Jags played a lot more man coverage with their corners than Cam saw on tape, and our receivers and Flacco couldn't deal with it. I saw a lot of sideline routes that were just completely blanketed, so it didn't even matter what the safeties were doing. In the middle of the field they had Posluszny dropping into coverage a lot (sort of a cover 3) and that took away the shallow middle. You have to run the ball and bring him closer to the line of scrimmage. Rice had a bad game, though, and not just with the fumble. Dropped a pass and missed a ton of blitz pick ups. He just didn't look right. But we still should have run more, particularly since the game was so close/ugly.
Joe really forced those sideline throws you are speaking about when the coverage was blanketing the receiver. It was as if his mind was made up that this is where i'm going no matter what. It'd be great to throw in a pump fake here and there or look off a safety or something. Joe really needs to step it up and grow.

[ccbird]

I think the problem last night was that the Jags played a lot more man coverage with their corners than Cam saw on tape, and our receivers and Flacco couldn't deal with it. I saw a lot of sideline routes that were just completely blanketed, so it didn't even matter what the safeties were doing. In the middle of the field they had Posluszny dropping into coverage a lot (sort of a cover 3) and that took away the shallow middle. You have to run the ball and bring him closer to the line of scrimmage. Rice had a bad game, though, and not just with the fumble. Dropped a pass and missed a ton of blitz pick ups. He just didn't look right. But we still should have run more, particularly since the game was so close/ugly.

Yeah, they just maned up on our WRs and held them in check with LBs dropping. Flacco has proven he can beat variations of the cover 2. The Saints, Bucs, Chiefs all ran it last year and Flacco performed well against it. When teams can generate a rush with 4 or 5 and spy Rice out of the backfield we are in trouble. Boldin is not a great WR on the outside, T. SMith is a limited route runner. Dickson has talent but is green, same with Williams. The schemes and gameplan clearly aren't putting players in the best position either. Maybe the most disturbing thing for me though is the Oline. They've seemingly got worse as the season as has progressed. They are an average unit as a whole right now.

[TGO]

Joe really forced those sideline throws you are speaking about when the coverage was blanketing the receiver. It was as if his mind was made up that this is where i'm going no matter what. It'd be great to throw in a pump fake here and there or look off a safety or something. Joe really needs to step it up and grow.

He didn't have time to pump fake because the O Line sucked, as did the RBs picking up blitzes, and every play Cameron calls is a 7 step drop.

I'm not shifting blame entirely as there are some things Flacco could do, like take off. He could have run for 4-5 yards a couple times. He also failed to make a couple of really obvious hot reads and got tunnel vision at least a dozen times. But I don't think he had a lot of time to pump fake when all of Cameron's plays take 4 seconds to develop.

Cameron has to go and we really need Lee Evans back. Evans and Smith on the outside with Boldin in the slot would look a lot better.

[ccbird]

Joe really forced those sideline throws you are speaking about when the coverage was blanketing the receiver. It was as if his mind was made up that this is where i'm going no matter what. It'd be great to throw in a pump fake here and there or look off a safety or something. Joe really needs to step it up and grow.

Again, the problem is the Jags generated good pressure with just the 4 or 5 man rush. I'm a big believer in Flacco overall but he's just not a good QB if he has to move his feet. His accuracy and decision making goes down considerably under pressure, as do most Qbs. My biggest problem with Joe right now is presnap reads and being quicker coming down off his first read to other reads. He has trouble getting the ball to the secondary and third option on time. I just think he stares down the primary too long and by that time his only option is the checkdown to Rice which teams know is coming. What would really help is if he just took off and ran if he has green in front of him, like he did against KC last year in the playoffs. Just make teams think you will run and it will loosen up Rice and hold dropping LBs to a point. I don't know if this is coaching or not but he just doesn't improvise enough. When the defensive coordinator is owning your offensive coordinator there has to come a time where you say I have to make some plays on my own. Joe can't do that. My hope is it's still Cameron being somewhat restrictive and a change at OC will help but I'm not real confident that it will.

[bOhs01]

He didn't have time to pump fake because the O Line sucked, as did the RBs picking up blitzes, and every play Cameron calls is a 7 step drop.

I'm not shifting blame entirely as there are some things Flacco could do, like take off. He could have run for 4-5 yards a couple times. He also failed to make a couple of really obvious hot reads and got tunnel vision at least a dozen times. But I don't think he had a lot of time to pump fake when all of Cameron's plays take 4 seconds to develop.

Cameron has to go and we really need Lee Evans back. Evans and Smith on the outside with Boldin in the slot would look a lot better.

I was speaking in general about the pump fake, Not specifically in those situations. Sorry for not communicating that. I agree with your sentiments completely. The seven step drops when the line is so bad at pass blocking is just moronic.

[ccbird]

He didn't have time to pump fake because the O Line sucked, as did the RBs picking up blitzes, and every play Cameron calls is a 7 step drop.

I'm not shifting blame entirely as there are some things Flacco could do, like take off. He could have run for 4-5 yards a couple times. He also failed to make a couple of really obvious hot reads and got tunnel vision at least a dozen times. But I don't think he had a lot of time to pump fake when all of Cameron's plays take 4 seconds to develop.

Cameron has to go and we really need Lee Evans back. Evans and Smith on the outside with Boldin in the slot would look a lot better. I think that would really help but who knows when Evans will be back. I seriously think they need to consider TO or Moss if they are in shape. Both still have value on the outside. We need to be able to move Boldin back in the slot on the majority of plays.

[bOhs01]

Again, the problem is the Jags generated good pressure with just the 4 or 5 man rush. I'm a big believer in Flacco overall but he's just not a good QB if he has to move his feet. His accuracy and decision making goes down considerably under pressure, as do most Qbs. My biggest problem with Joe right now is presnap reads and being quicker coming down off his first read to other reads. He has trouble getting the ball to the secondary and third option on time. I just think he stares down the primary too long and by that time his only option is the checkdown to Rice which teams know is coming. What would really help is if he just took off and ran if he has green in front of him, like he did against KC last year in the playoffs. Just make teams think you will run and it will loosen up Rice and hold dropping LBs to a point. I don't know if this is coaching or not but he just doesn't improvise enough. When the defensive coordinator is owning your offensive coordinator there has to come a time where you say I have to make some plays on my own. Joe can't do that. My hope is it's still Cameron being somewhat restrictive and a change at OC will help but I'm not real confident that it will.

Very true. Joes progressions take far to long and he does lock on to one guy and by the time he shifts to his next option he's either got pressure in his face or he's getting stripped.

[Miller192]

Cam needs to go no doubt about it. But at this point who do the Ravens have on staff that they could possibly hire to replace him. And I'm afraid Harbs would go with Brad Childress if they hired outside the organization.... any thoughts, Miller?

As of this morning, he's not going anywhere.

[Stevo5278]

As of this morning, he's not going anywhere.

Cam's firing was the only thing that could have made today tolerable. CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPP PPP!

[bOhs01]

As of this morning, he's not going anywhere.

How are things at the castle this morning? It would be amazing to be a fly on the wall there today to see what these coaches are going to do to improve things.

[flashjordnk]

Look let's be honest here. If I had to list my objections the game last night it would start with:

a). Game planning. Jacksonville isn't that great of a run defense. 16th in the league in yards per carry coming into the game, and 19th in the league overall in yards allowed. The Ravens should have run, run, run, run on these guys. When you have a shaky offensive line, and guys aren't getting into their blocks, you gotta let them run block and tell them to get mean. Even if we ran it 9 straight times and didn't get a first down (I don't believe that would have happened), you give Joe play action snaps. After drive 3 it was clear the pass blocking was bad. Go into our two TE sets, with Leach, and pound the freaking ball. The defense gave up 12 points. 12. Oy...McKinnie was getting beat on the high speed rush all night, but the OLine was getting good protection at the point of attack, so what does Cam do, he calls 7 step drops. This guy is blind or dumb. Or both. They should have fired the man before the offseason. Jim Harbaugh seems to have installed a new offensive system without an offseason just fine. I call BS on Harbaugh and Ozzie for not stepping up, and willing to take some risk and dump the guy that they know is part of the problem.

b). Offensive Line play. Look we all thought this line would start to 'gel' after week 4. We miss Grubbs, that's fine. Gurode wasn't the only bad player last night. The OLine looked worse than Pittsburghs. Now this goes hand in had with play calling. Why not more shotgun, quick reads, three step drops. People say Big Ben would have won this game. Big Ben would have been in the shotgun and had better hot read options in how those guys were playing defense. Ozzie's biggest weakness right now, and Harbaugh too is evaluating OLine talent and solving it. I said it earlier and I'll say it again. We came into this year with clear evidence Oher was pretty much overrated. And who'd we go out and bring in to help with these problems...no one. Until Week 3 of the preseason. When we tried to hand O'Neil Cousins the job. To me that's when it was abundantly clear that Ozzie wasn't sure what he wanted to do with this OLine. Everyone kept saying, wait for the cast offs, someone will get cut. Well two guys got cut...and look at how terrible our left side played last night.

Literally, those two reasons are the reasons we lost. Think about it for a second. If we don't have to kick onside at the end of the game, Jacksonville probably only has 9 points. Jacksonville punted 7 times! If we control the clock and take away about 4 of those drives from Jacksonville, without the busted Pollard call and the onside kick...we almost won this game 7-6. We didn't need to do anything more than run the ball 20 times last night, and we would have won.

Also, the officiating last night was terrible. I say this not blaming them for the game. Gabbert's scramble if that's not a block in the back on Suggs I don't know what is. Boldin was held all night as was whoever was being covered by Mathis. He was all over receivers well beyond the 5 yard mark. If that's not what Illegal Contact is in the rulebook for I don't know what is. The Kickoff at the end of the game. They stopped the playclock for Jacksonville? The ejection of Ayanbedejo? I mean I've seen Charles Woodson do worse and not get ejected.

We need to improve the game plan and OLine play. When you ask a QB to throw the ball 38 times and you run it 12, you let DLinemen T Off on your QB. Joe wasn't just under pressure those guys were gunning off the end every single snap. Run a counter underneath and let McKinnie fake the DE up the field. Rice could have run all day. We kept seeing the same defense and we kept calling the same plays. It's just pathetic. Don't ask Joe to be Brady/Rodgers/Manning and we'll be fine.

[flashjordnk]

BTW...if we win this game, the game ball goes to Bernard Pollard. That many played a great great game. He got flagged when he shouldn't, he was on the ball, punching it out, punishing runners, punishing receivers. That guy is a hell of a football player.

Also...Matt Birk has played well IMO. Flacco's had some moments where he's looked OK in the pocket, and Joe has the ability to step up and move around. I've been impressed. But, this could also be because he's getting too much help from Yanda. One sack came from Yanda helping Birk. I think this does hurt Oher. And sometimes even on the right side I think they ask him to do a bit more than his talent allows. But the middle of the pocket has been well protected, Joe has to get playcalls that utilize that and stop ends from rushing around McKinnie. If anything, roll that pocket right, Oher can use his quickness to force a guy back into the line and Joe can create space to the right.

[bdlj0887]

BTW...if we win this game, the game ball goes to Bernard Pollard. That many played a great great game. He got flagged when he shouldn't, he was on the ball, punching it out, punishing runners, punishing receivers. That guy is a hell of a football player.

Also...Matt Birk has played well IMO. Flacco's had some moments where he's looked OK in the pocket, and Joe has the ability to step up and move around. I've been impressed. But, this could also be because he's getting too much help from Yanda. One sack came from Yanda helping Birk. I think this does hurt Oher. And sometimes even on the right side I think they ask him to do a bit more than his talent allows. But the middle of the pocket has been well protected, Joe has to get playcalls that utilize that and stop ends from rushing around McKinnie. If anything, roll that pocket right, Oher can use his quickness to force a guy back into the line and Joe can create space to the right.

Pollard can really lay the wood. It's sad that QBs can throw up the middle now with no regard for what might happen to their receivers and get away with it.

[Dipper9]

I am so disgusted with the performance last night, I just want to puke.

The Good: The Defense was superb, but Ayenbedejo's retaliation punch was just dumb.
Koch was solid as usual.

The Bad: The referees. 3 over turned calls in the first half alone? REALLY? I mean, the calls went our way, but we had to waste two challenges to get the calls correct. The Pollard call was one of the worst yet. The Ravens and Steelers get penalized for being good, hard hitting teams, and its BS!

Flacco. I really want to like this guy, and I have defended him against the neysayers, but damn dude, C'Mon Man! You gotta start stepping up.

Our hurry up offense is slower than a turtle walking in quick sand. If that's our idea of urgency, God help us.

The ugly: The playcalling sucked as usual. Cam may be worse than Cavanaugh.

The O-Line sucks. Plain and simple, they give Flacco no time and they open no holes for the run game. Oher has got to be one of the biggest busts ever.

These are the types of games that cost us home playoff games and by proxy they cost us trips to the Super Bowl. The Ravens are nearly unbeatable at home, but on the road we sometimes stink up the joint! We were NOT prepared for this game.

[Tony-OH]

Every comment you read from players and coaches from last night is directed at Cameron without saying his name.

How does Ray Rice only have 8 carries last night? You can't justify that.

Cameron remains the single biggest obstacle in the Ravens ever becoming a decent offense. It's clear that Flacco is not progressing under Cam. The question the Ravens have the ask, is it worth throwing away a season while Cam continues to baffle everyone with his poor game plan?

The lockout killed our chance to fire Cam and bring in someone else, now another great defensive team is going come up short.

The Ravens can not be trusted. They have proven that they are just as capable of throwing up a clunker as they are as dominating.

I believe this team is capable of beating anyone, but also believe they can lose to just about anyone on the road.

The loss on National TV is just sickening. I'm always amazed at how poorly this team plays in the national spotlight when the commentators start saying good things about them.

[MikeAD]

Cameron remains the single biggest obstacle in the Ravens ever becoming a decent offense. It's clear that Flacco is not progressing under Cam. The question the Ravens have the ask, is it worth throwing away a season while Cam continues to baffle everyone with his poor game plan?

The lockout killed our chance to fire Cam and bring in someone else, now another great defensive team is going come up short.

The Ravens can not be trusted. They have proven that they are just as capable of throwing up a clunker as they are as dominating.

I believe this team is capable of beating anyone, but also believe they can lose to just about anyone on the road.

The loss on National TV is just sickening. I'm always amazed at how poorly this team plays in the national spotlight when the commentators start saying good things about them.

I feel like they might be in limbo....they obviously can't have this offensive gameplan incompetence for the rest of the season, but they might feel they don't have anyone who is capable to do the full planning now. When they fired Fassle, Billick was capable of taking over the offense, I don't know that Harbaugh can or wants to. They could promote one of the offensive coaches (as has been mentioned), but maybe Harbaugh is more comfortable with what he has, even if its not ideal, which would be awful.

Who knows, but we cannot go anywhere if we can't adjust in game. Playoffs (more often than not) are about adjustments. Unless its a quick blowout you've got to change your style. Cover 2 is the way to go against us and we haven't found an answer, even when they only rush 3-4 men.

[Tony-OH]

As of this morning, he's not going anywhere.
It's not the Raven's style to fire coaches mid-season, but goodness gracious man, that game plan last night should have been a fire-able offense. Don't get me wrong, the O-line, Rice, the receivers and Flacco all need to take blame, but the lack of cutback runs, or runs in general along with a plain Jane, vanilla passing scheme that apparently didn't include Dickson was ridiculous.

[MikeAD]

It's not the Raven's style to fire coaches mid-season, but goodness gracious man, that game plan last night should have been a fire-able offense. Don't get me wrong, the O-line, Rice, the receivers and Flacco all need to take blame, but the lack of cutback runs, or runs in general along with a plain Jane, vanilla passing scheme that apparently didn't include Dickson was ridiculous.

Dickson wasn't even a factor, he had 3 targets I think, and they were all sort of half-assed. I said earlier that its flat out criminal to not use the weapons we have. We have Rice, Williams, Leach and two very good young Tight Ends and we ran it a dozen times. Those five should give us a deadly play action threat but the only weapon we ever "target" is Smith, and he couldn't get open.

[Dipper9]

It's not the Raven's style to fire coaches mid-season, but goodness gracious man, that game plan last night should have been a fire-able offense. Don't get me wrong, the O-line, Rice, the receivers and Flacco all need to take blame, but the lack of cutback runs, or runs in general along with a plain Jane, vanilla passing scheme that apparently didn't include Dickson was ridiculous.

I thought after last year, Bisciotti wanted Cam gone but Harbaugh fought to keep him and said this year would be different? Well, its been the same old bull spit through the first 6 games. Harbs better get his head out of his rear and do something about this or HE will be responsible for us faltering!

[Tony-OH]

I think KVV put it best, "The Ravens should study what happened this week closely, but the rest of us should do our best to forget it ever happened."

I had to get up early but last night's game was the first game I turned off before the 4th quarter in about 4 or 5 years. Watching the offense last night was like getting a root canal and I couldn't take it anymore. I missed the TD but apparently I didn't miss much else. BTW, the officiating crew last night was one of the worse I've seen. The Ravens played so poorly that they didn't effect the outcome of the game, but they were horrendous. I truly felt the steam of the Ravens come out of them when Pollard got the ridiculous unnecessary roughness call in the 3rd quarter.

Rice was truly terrible last night but no way he should only get seven runs. Where were the cutback runs? Where were the TE going over the middle? Where were the slants? Joe wasn't very accurate but lord almighty that was the worse game plan I've seen since the three yards and cloud of dust game plan from Cavanaugh.

[Tony-OH]

Dickson wasn't even a factor, he had 3 targets I think, and they were all sort of half-assed. I said earlier that its flat out criminal to not use the weapons we have. We have Rice, Williams, Leach and two very good young Tight Ends and we ran it a dozen times. Those five should give us a deadly play action threat but the only weapon we ever "target" is Smith, and he couldn't get open.

By the way, how do you use Leach on two plays in a row to get off the half yard line? The guy is wrecking ball, not ball carrier.

[Dipper9]

By the way, how do you use Leach on two plays in a row to get off the half yard line? The guy is wrecking ball, not ball carrier.

The Leech screen has become the Stallworth reverse! Both were and are worthless plays but Cam keeps going back to them!

[MikeAD]

By the way, how do you use Leach on two plays in a row to get off the half yard line? The guy is wrecking ball, not ball carrier.

I have been harping on this for awhile. The man had not a single rush in Houston the last two years and had a total of 3 between 07 and 08. Hes not a runner. We really shouldn't be using him in the passing game either. Let the man be an animal and block.

Makin me mad...

[PrivateO]

In regards to Leach: The best part is, he doesn't even complain about not getting the ball! It's not like McClain last year, who would whine if he didn't get a few touches. We've seen quotes from Leach that say he just wants to hit people. Let him do that.

[Stevo5278]

By the way, how do you use Leach on two plays in a row to get off the half yard line? The guy is wrecking ball, not ball carrier.

That was actually one call that I thought was intelligent given the realities of the game. The way the Jacksonville D was blowing our line off the ball it was too dangerous to hand the ball off to the tailback there. The chances of a tackle for a loss for a safety were too high.

[BaltimoreTerp]

It's not the Raven's style to fire coaches mid-season, but goodness gracious man, that game plan last night should have been a fire-able offense. Don't get me wrong, the O-line, Rice, the receivers and Flacco all need to take blame, but the lack of cutback runs, or runs in general along with a plain Jane, vanilla passing scheme that apparently didn't include Dickson was ridiculous.

The players should be taking blame on the execution, but the constant for everyone is the poor coaching putting them in that position.

What can this team do? They don't want to fire the bad coach because it is too far into the season to make changes to the offense, but keeping the coach puts them at risk of more games like this.

There isn't anyone on-staff that can run just a better version of this offense for ten-to-twelve weeks?

[OsnRavensallday]

I still can't believe what I watched last night, it was by far the worst I have ever seen this offense. If something doesn't change with this play calling , I'm going to freak out.lol. I mean what is with us waiting untill half time to change the game plan??? There was no communicating on the side lines between nobody the whole game untill 5 minutes to go in the game. Shouldn't we see Cam and Flacco tryin to figure things out non stop till they find out what is going to work. Everybody was sitting round feelin bad for themselves, like when Rice fumbled somebody should be talkin him up not let him sit by himself like they showed on t.v. If Cam Cameron cost us this year ,he better not be back next year. Why does it seem like Harbs is in love with this clown??? I don't get it .

[Dipper9]

I still can't believe what I watched last night, it was by far the worst I have ever seen this offense. If something doesn't change with this play calling , I'm going to freak out.lol. I mean what is with us waiting untill half time to change the game plan??? There was no communicating on the side lines between nobody the whole game untill 5 minutes to go in the game. Shouldn't we see Cam and Flacco tryin to figure things out non stop till they find out what is going to work. Everybody was sitting round feelin bad for themselves, like when Rice fumbled somebody should be talkin him up not let him sit by himself like they showed on t.v. If Cam Cameron cost us this year ,he better not be back next year. Why does it seem like Harbs is in love with this clown??? I don't get it .

Perhaps you missed the SuperBowl year when we went 4 or 5 straight games without an offensive touchdown?

Or the Boller years?

Last night was God awful, but it was only third behind those two above!

[ChrisAF79]

Perhaps you missed the SuperBowl year when we went 4 or 5 straight games without an offensive touchdown?

Or the Boller years?

Last night was God awful, but it was only third behind those two above!
Honestly, I think the Boller years were better than Monday night! At least, I don't recall a Boller-led offense failing to get a 1st down for an entire half!

Then again, I may have subconsciously erased that from my memory. Those years of going to a shrink may have actually paid off.

[NewMarketSean]

Folks, I was there in JAX to witness this stink bomb of a game. There were a ton of Ravens fans there. And I can honestly say it was the worst Ravens game I have ever seen in my life as a fan. The offense stunk, the refs were horrible, and the play-calling was absolutely horrid. Rice running just 8 times, the on-side kick, the lack of urgency (again) when down late in the 4th quarter, Flacco looking like a deer in headlights....the complaints are endless.

This team turns in these crapfests a couple times a year because they simply either aren't prepared or cannot make adjustments. Name me another playoff contender that goes down there and turns in that kind of performance. You probably can't name one.

The playcalling exists in a vacuum. Cameron is calling plays like he's play Madden for the first time. There is no setting up the pass or setting up the run. It's just, let's call a play like it'll have no impact on the rest of the game. Where are the PA passes? Where are our TE's?

Such an embarrassment. Everyone deserves equal blame for this and I really hoped this would be the game that would get Cameron his walking papers but it appears he has become bulletproof for some odd reason. He is handcuffing Flacco, Rice and the rest of this offense and you can look back and see what's happen after Cameron has left SD and MIA and seen that Brees, Rivers and the Miami offense was better off because of it.

When will Baltimore learn this lesson?

[porterhouse]

Aside from all the other horrible things on Monday night, I'd say we are missing both Grubbs and Evans badly and if they don't return we're done.

[OsnRavensallday]

Yea I was round for the Super Bowl year , and the Boller years but atleast we scored more than 7 points in most of them games. Stover carried the team and without him and the D , we wouldn't have won nothing. Dude we didn't have a first down untill 4 or 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter!!!!. pathetic. The Refs definately could of cost us the game too, that call on Pollard was the worst I've seen in years maybe in my life time. They are ruining this beautiful game and it's a shame. If that flag is not thrown it's 3 and out and we get the ball back with good field position, instead they ate up pretty much the whole 3rd quarter and also added 3 huge points .I think that play hurt us bad, to go with Cundiff's missed FG whats up with Billy???? missed his last 7 from 50 plus out.

[Goober Noodles]

If it makes you guys feel better, a Steelers fan on another forum lost $600 betting on the Ravens Monday night. :laughlol: