Skins/Gi'nts II (What the hell is happening?)

[OrioleMagic]

How can Sexy Rexy throw two INTs in the first half and we still be winning 17-3? Our D must be kicking a$$. Or Manning just stinks today.

I would hate for us to win this game. It makes no sense.

[MikeAD]

How can Sexy Rexy throw two INTs in the first half and we still be winning 17-3? Our D must be kicking a$$. Or Manning just stinks today.

I would hate for us to win this game. It makes no sense.

D hasn't been GREAT but the Giants have failed to put anything together. Even missed a FG. Grossman has been ghastly too.

This has been a bizarre game.

[mweb]

How can Sexy Rexy throw two INTs in the first half and we still be winning 17-3? Our D must be kicking a$$. Or Manning just stinks today.

I would hate for us to win this game. It makes no sense.

Well both picks were basically punts.

Other than that, Grossman has been pretty good.

The D has played well, but got some help from the Giants, especially from Nicks dropping a deep ball that should have been a TD.

[backwardsk]

They finally won the turnover battle. Five rookies started, Royster, Paul, and Nield all made solid contributions. I like the direction.

[Don Quixote]

Screw the direction right now. Anything that doesn't help them get a better draft pick is going in the wrong direction, hence, even when they "win" they still lose! I didn't have time earlier to make a thread, but if I had I would have stated that I was hoping for them to salvage a split in the season series. Oh well...I really hope the Browns win.

[Floater]

As long as they are committed to trading up for a QB if they need to, I don't mind the wins but I'd be lying if I said I'd rather them win because I think this might be the most important draft in the past 20 years for the Skins.

[backwardsk]

Miami won. Who else is going for a QB? They'll still have their opportunity to get Barkley or Griffith.

[Floater]

Browns will probably trade up with 2 first rounders or they might not even have to, to take a QB. Just gotta hope Barkley and RG3 both enter the draft.

[backwardsk]

Browns will probably trade up with 2 first rounders or they might not even have to, to take a QB. Just gotta hope Barkley and RG3 both enter the draft.

You think they'll give up on McCoy that quickly? Maybe so, but they could make a lot strides with those two picks to round out their team.

I think both of those guys will come out.

[Don Quixote]

As long as they are committed to trading up for a QB if they need to, I don't mind the wins but I'd be lying if I said I'd rather them win because I think this might be the most important draft in the past 20 years for the Skins.

How many drafts have they pissed away by trading away their picks in bad deals either to move up or get a washed-up player? I'm tired of that, and the attempt to actually accrue picks for the 2011 draft was much appreciated. They need to just keep losing so they don't have to turn to the option of trading picks away (which I'm fairly sure this regime would be fairly reluctant to do). Play competitive football if it makes things nicey-nicey, but still manage to lose. In prior seasons that would piss me off to no end, but right now it's just what the doctor ordered.

[Floater]

How many drafts have they pissed away by trading away their picks in bad deals either to move up or get a washed-up player? I'm tired of that, and the attempt to actually accrue picks for the 2011 draft was much appreciated. They need to just keep losing so they don't have to turn to the option of trading picks away (which I'm fairly sure this regime would be fairly reluctant to do). Play competitive football if it makes things nicey-nicey, but still manage to lose. In prior seasons that would piss me off to no end, but right now it's just what the doctor ordered.

Yeah in no way shape or form do I want them to trade for a washed up player. Trading up for a YOUNG FRANCHISE QB in the top 5 or taking one outright is something the Skins have NEVER done. That is the goal for the offseason. You get it done in any way shape or form.

[mweb]

Yes, it's better for the future if they get a better pick. But they can't just lose on purpose. I'm not going to get up in arms over a win over the Giants where they played quite well.

[backwardsk]

I really like how Riley has improved during the season. With Jenkins coming back, the front seven looks pretty solid. I doubt that Rocky comes back, so they'll need some depth at inside linebacker. The two tackles had really good games. I'dlive for them to get a solid RT in rounds 2-4. Then maybe smith can be a backup on both sides.

[ccbird]

Well there definitely goes your chance at a top 5 pick and probably your chance to get Barkley and RG3.

[OrioleMagic]

Yeah, don't get me wrong. I like beating our NFC East opponents as well as ALL of our opponents. :laughlol: But, now we are somewhere between 7th and 10th. I think we will be 7th or 8th because we lost to Miami, Carolina, and Buffalo... as long as we lose the last two. If TB, Cle, or Jax win one more, I wonder how that affects the picks?

[Floater]

It goes by strength of schedule, not who beat who.

[backwardsk]

Again, who ahead of the Redskins is in the market for a qb? Right now, I believe, they sit at number 7. They'll still get their quarterback. By April, jones may end up grading out higher than RGIII and Barkley.

I also think they have 9 picks going into the draft, so there is some opportunity to move around.

[allstar1579]

Again, who ahead of the Redskins is in the market for a qb? Right now, I believe, they sit at number 7. They'll still get their quarterback. By April, jones may end up grading out higher than RGIII and Barkley.

I also think they have 9 picks going into the draft, so there is some opportunity to move around.

I'd trade T. Williams, and 8 of the 9 picks keeping the 2nd rounder (to take another Tackle) for #1 overall.

[Floater]

Ew, L Jones looked terrible at times this year, I don't care what he does at the combine. It would be better for him to go back to school. Skins might take a shot on Tannenhill in the second if they can't get the guy they want in the first. I still think the Browns would take a QB. It's not like McCoy was some top ten pick or anything. He doesn't have the arm to make all the throws.

[allstar1579]

Ew, L Jones looked terrible at times this year, I don't care what he does at the combine. It would be better for him to go back to school. Skins might take a shot on Tannenhill in the second if they can't get the guy they want in the first. I still think the Browns would take a QB. It's not like McCoy was some top ten pick or anything. He doesn't have the arm to make all the throws.

For me this year is Luck, Barkley or bust. I feel like there is a chance they do something stupid and sign Peyton or something. Depends on how everything plays out.

[mweb]

Well there definitely goes your chance at a top 5 pick and probably your chance to get Barkley and RG3.

Not really.

[Don Quixote]

Damn it, Cleveland!

[ccbird]

Not really.

Yes, really. The more distance you put between yourself and the top of the draft the harder it gets. Colts are going to take Luck, CLeveland is also in position to take a QB. IMO, the Jags, Viks or even less likely but still possibly the Rams could give up on Gabbert, Ponder and Braford and take a QB if they really feel like Barkley or RG3 is a stud. Miami, who you're tied with is looking for a QB. If Barkley and RG3 come out they are both going top 5, possibly even 2 and 3. No way you guys are moving up that far. I'll bet anyone who wants to bet that the Skins don't get any of the 3.

[mweb]

Yes, really. The more distance you put between yourself and the top of the draft the harder it gets. Colts are going to take Luck, CLeveland is also in position to take a QB. IMO, the Jags, Viks or even less likely but still possibly the Rams could give up on Gabbert, Ponder and Braford and take a QB if they really feel like Barkley or RG3 is a stud. Miami, who you're tied with is looking for a QB. If Barkley and RG3 come out they are both going top 5, possibly even 2 and 3. No way you guys are moving up that far. I'll bet anyone who wants to bet that the Skins don't get any of the 3.

You used the word definitely. That is without question wrong. That's not even a debate.

I agree with you that it makes it more difficult. That is also not for debate.

But at the same time, as you say, as of now, there are only two teams with a worse record that are likely to take a QB. It's also still possible that the Colts will trade the pick and that the Browns will stick with Colt. Both are unlikely, but I think just as likely as the teams you mention giving up on their recent 1st round picks for Barkley or RG3. And Matt Moore may be making Miami think about if he could be their answer at QB.

I'm also not sure how you can state without question that Barkely and RG3 will be top 5 picks. Neither are in Kiper's or McShay's top 5. Plus, it's December. Things change a lot between September and April. Things changed quite a bit last year with the QB's.

And of course they can trade up if need be. If they pick between 6-8, they likely won't have trade up much, if at all.

[ccbird]

You used the word definitely. That is without question wrong. That's not even a debate.

I agree with you that it makes it more difficult. That is also not for debate.

But at the same time, as you say, as of now, there are only two teams with a worse record that are likely to take a QB. It's also still possible that the Colts will trade the pick and that the Browns will stick with Colt. Both are unlikely, but I think just as likely as the teams you mention giving up on their recent 1st round picks for Barkley or RG3. And Matt Moore may be making Miami think about if he could be their answer at QB.

I'm also not sure how you can state without question that Barkely and RG3 will be top 5 picks. Neither are in Kiper's or McShay's top 5. Plus, it's December. Things change a lot between September and April. Things changed quite a bit last year with the QB's.

And of course they can trade up if need be. If they pick between 6-8, they likely won't have trade up much, if at all.

You crack me up sometimes. So yeah, not "definitely".:rolleyes: Im just 90% sure the SKins won't get one of those 3 guys.

And thanks for knocking me out of both the Fantasy Baseball and Football Leagues.:cussing:

[mweb]

You crack me up sometimes. So yeah, not "definitely".:rolleyes: Im just 90% sure the SKins won't get one of those 3 guys.

And thanks for knocking me out of both the Fantasy Baseball and Football Leagues.:cussing:

The thing is it's not even close to 90%.

What is this, some kind of reverse jinx? You still have Akers.

[ccbird]

The thing is it's not even close to 90% and it's silly to say they definitely aren't getting him because they dropped to a pick in the 6-8 range as of now.

And it cracks me up when people go out of their way to use a word like definitely and then rolls their eyes when someone calls them out for saying such an absurd thing.

What is this, some kind of reverse jinx? You still have Akers.
OK fine, since you're going to back me up against the wall the SKins definitely aren't getting one of these guys. When both go in the top 5 I'll make sure to let you know that this win that probably dropped you from the top 5 to 7th or 8th was the biggest reason why you didn't get one of them.

And I haven't looked at our matchup since this afternoon but I'm assuming you're up by at least 15 points. Akers isn't getting that many points.

[mweb]

OK fine, since you're going to back me up against the wall the SKins definitely aren't getting one of these guys.

And I haven't looked at our matchup since this afternoon but I'm assuming you're up by at least 15 points. Akers isn't getting that many points.

I edited my last post. Turns out your post wasn't quite as over the top as I thought since you had probably before chance of getting Barkley or RG3 and definitely concerning the top 5 pick. So my bad on that. I still obviously think they have a decent shot at one of the QB's as of now, but it's pretty far out so who knows where the QB's will be ranked and what each team that may want a QB will think of each of them. Plus, the final draft order will be helpful.

Only 8. Johnson saved you. And I was busy this week and forgot to switch my defense before Thursday; thus, costing myself 15 points.

So if the 49ers are driving at the end of the game, are you going to root for the TD for the win or the FG to tie if that's the difference between winning the fantasy match up?

[ccbird]

I edited my last post. Turns out your post was quite as over the top as I thought since you had probably before chance of getting Barkley or RG3 and definitely concerning the top 5 pick. So my bad on that. I still obviously think they have a decent shot at one of the QB's as of now, but it's pretty far out so who knows where the QB's will be ranked and what each team that may want a QB will think of each of them. Plus, the final draft order will be helpful.

Only 8. Johnson saved you. And I was busy this week and forgot to switch my defense before Thursday; thus, costing myself 15 points.

So if the 49ers are driving at the end of the game, are you going to root for the TD for the win or the FG to tie if that's the difference between winning the fantasy match up?
Not even close. The TD. There would have to be a lot, and I mean a lot, more money at stake for me to root against something that would significantly help the Ravens.

I'm also shocked it's only 8. I knew CJ scored that late TD but you were up by 20+ points at one point late during the afternoon games.

[mweb]

It will further hurt their chances of getting one of the top QB's if they beat the Vikings, which they probably should do. Now if they lose that game, they'll have the same record that would have been expected going into today.

[backwardsk]

When was the last time three qbs went top 5 or even top 6? Was it the couch, mcnabb, smith year.

It would shock me if jax and minny give up on their number 1s after 1 year. The Rams would be less likely with the money owed to Bradford.

Cleveland may grab one, but it's not a lock. However, I still think the Redskins may need to trade up. If Dallas beats Philly next week, Washington may end up with 7 wins.

[TGO]

When was the last time three qbs went top 5 or even top 6? Was it the couch, mcnabb, smith year.

It would shock me if jax and minny give up on their number 1s after 1 year. The Rams would be less likely with the money owed to Bradford.

Cleveland may grab one, but it's not a lock. However, I still think the Redskins may need to trade up. If Dallas beats Philly next week, Washington may end up with 7 wins.

Yep, 1999.

[backwardsk]

Jason Reid had an article in the Post about how great Hall played. Out of that team effort, you want to single out Hall? I don't get it. His INT was highlight reel worthy, and was a big play. But Manning underthrew Nicks there. A good throw and Hall would have been burnt--again.

[backwardsk]

When was the last time three qbs went top 5 or even top 6? Was it the couch, mcnabb, smith year.

It would shock me if jax and minny give up on their number 1s after 1 year. The Rams would be less likely with the money owed to Bradford.Cleveland may grab one, but it's not a lock. However, I still think the Redskins may need to trade up. If Dallas beats Philly next week, Washington may end up with 7 wins.

I heard on the radio coming home today, from a St Louis reporter, that they may have big plans to do a "huge blowup" which would mean Spagnolo and McDaniel out the door. I wonder if it would also mean Bradford. I don't know how they get from out of that contract, but there may be some motivation to do so.

[Moose Milligan]

I'm so torn. Young players make good contributions, we win a game against an NFC east rival and we sweep them for the year.

And take another step towards boofing the pooch on getting Barkley or RG3.

Bittersweet. Bittersweet.

[Don Quixote]

I'm so torn. Young players make good contributions, we win a game against an NFC east rival and we sweep them for the year.

And take another step towards boofing the pooch on getting Barkley or RG3.

Bittersweet. Bittersweet.

Exactly, which is why I'd much rather see "competitive losses" than wins against anyone.

[OrioleMagic]

I'm so torn. Young players make good contributions, we win a game against an NFC east rival and we sweep them for the year.

And take another step towards boofing the pooch on getting Barkley or RG3.

Bittersweet. Bittersweet.

Exactly what is "boofing the pooch"????:rofl: