Rank the O's pitchers by their ceiling.

[wildcard]

I think this will be interesting. I would like to see the OH rank the 21 pitchers on the O's 40 man roster by their ceiling from here forward. From best to worst. Is Bundy the highest? How about Britton. Where do Matusz, Arrieta and Chen rank? Doe Johnson have a high ceiling as a closer?

[Birdfan21]

1. Bundy
2. Britton
3. Matusz
4. Tillman
5. Arrieta
6. Chen
7. Johnson

8-21...meh

[jamalshw]

This is not a particularly well informed opinion, but:
1. Dylan Bundy
2. Zach Britton
3. Jake Arrieta
4. Brian Matusz
5. Wei-Yin Chen
6. Jim Johnson (bullpen- though I think his value would be comparable in the rotation)
7. Oliver Drake
8. Tommy Hunter
9. Tsuyoshi Wada
10. Jason Hammel
11. Chris Tillman
12. Pedro Strop
13. Brad Bergesen
14. Darren O’Day
15. Matt Lindstrom
16. Troy Patton
17. Dana Eveland
18. Zach Phillips
19. Jason Berken
20. Alfredo Simon
21. Kevin Gregg

As you can tell there is bias against Gregg (who in reality should probably move up a few spots). I also am valuing rotation and the ability to stay there and contribute long term far above bullpen arms.

[clapdiddy]

Bundy
Britton
Arrieta
Matusz
Chen
Johnson - R
Hunter - S
Tillman
Drake - R
Strop - R
Wada - S
Hammel
Eveland - S
Simon - S
Phillips - R
O' Day - R
Bergesen -R
Lindstrom - R
Gregg - R
Berken - R

S= Swing Man
R = Reliever

I'm basing this on their roles with the team.

[waroriole]

Bundy
Matusz
Britton
Arrieta
Tillman
Chen
Wada
Hunter

I'm probably leaving someone out, but just off the top of my head.

[33rdst]

Bundy
Britton
Arrieta
Hunter
Matusz
Johnson
Chen
Strop
Hammel
Oday
Wada
Lindstrom
Drake
Bergesen
Simon
Phillips
Eveland
Birken
Patton
Gregg

[SilentJames]

Bundy
Matusz
Britton
Chen
Arrieta
Hunter
Hammel
Wada
Drake
Johnson
O'Day
Bergesen
Simon
Berken
Phillips
Patton
Gregg
Eveland

[Frobby]

I'd start with Bundy, Matusz, Britton, Arrieta and Hunter. I really don't have a good sense of where Chen fits in. He could have a higher ceiling than a couple of those, or maybe not.

[Oldorioles]

1) Bundy
2) Britton
3) Chen
4) Johnson
5) Tillman
6) Matusz
7) Hunter
8) Arrieta
9) Drake
10) Wada
11) Eveland
12) Patton
13) Strop
14) Hammel
15) Bergesen
16) Phillips
17) O'Day
18) Simon
19) Lindstrom
20) Berken
21) Gregg

[ccbird]

I'll do the guys who are starters or most likely starters

Bundy
Matusz
Britton
Hunter
Arrieta
Chen
Hammel
Tillman
Drake
Eveland
Bergy
Wada

Really interested to get a look at Chen. He could potentially move ahead of Hunter and Arrieta on my list. I just don;t think Wada is going to make it as a starter. However, after I get a look at him he could move up as well if he surprises me.

[TheBee]

I think this will be interesting. I would like to see the OH rank the 21 pitchers on the O's 40 man roster by their ceiling from here forward. From best to worst. Is Bundy the highest? How about Britton. Where do Matusz, Arrieta and Chen rank? Doe Johnson have a high ceiling as a closer?

My problem is I've never seen Bundy or Chen pitch, so I can't answer the question. I do believe that Johnson can be a very successful closer if the defense behind him does its job.

[BobDylanBundy]

My rankings....

1. Dylan Bundy
2. Zach Britton
3. Brian Matusz
4. Jim Johnson
5. Wei-Yin Chen
6. Tommy Hunter
7. Jake Arrieta
8. Matt Lindstrom
9. Darren O'Day
10. Chris Tillman
11. Alfredo Simon
12. Jason Berken
13. Tsuyoshi Wada
14. Pedro Strop
15. Dana Eveland
16. Brad Bergesen
17. Jason Hammel
18. Troy Patton
19. Zach Phillips
20. Kevin Gregg
21. Oliver Drake

[El Gordo]

1. Dylan Bundy
2. Zach Britton
3. Brian Matusz
4. Jake Arrieta
5. Wei-Yin Chen
6. Jim Johnson (bullpen- though I think his value would be comparable in the rotation)
7. Jason Hammel
8. Tommy Hunter
9. Tsuyoshi Wada
10. Tommy Hunter
11. Alfredo Simon
12 Chris Tillman
13. Pedro Strop
14 Matt Lindstrom
15. Darren O’Day
16. Troy Patton
17 Brad Bergesen
18. Dana Eveland
19. Zach Phillips
19. Jason Berken
20. Oliver Drake
21. Kevin Gregg

[MatthewW]

If we are going on just 'ceilings'...

1. Dylan Bundy
2. Jake Arrieta (And no, I don't think he will ever reach his 'ceiling')
3. Brian Matusz
4. Zach Britton
5. Wei-Yin Chen
6. Chris Tillman (Again, I don't think he reaches his 'ceiling'... would be #4 if he got his velocity back)
7. Jim Johnson
8. Pedro Strop
9. Matt Lindstrom
10. Alfredo Simon (When his stuff is on, it's ON)
11. Tommy Hunter
12. Jason Hammel
13. Brad Bergesen
14. Oliver Drake
15. Dana Eveland
16. Kevin Gregg
17. Tsuyoshi Wada
18. Troy Patton
19. Darren O'Day
20. Zach Phillips
21. Jason Berken

[baltfan]

Dylan Bundy




























Zach Britton



Chris Tilman


Brian Matusz

Jake Arrietta
Wei-Yin Chen

Jim Johnson

No one else worth talking about

[Flosman]

I am surprised no one has listed the other Bundy on their list.

[BobDylanBundy]

I am surprised no one has listed the other Bundy on their list.

Bobby has been added to the 40-man roster? :)

[Flosman]

Bobby has been added to the 40-man roster? :)

Remember those reading is fundamental commercials? Apparently I did not get it, lol.

[wildcard]

Here is my:

1) Bundy
2) Matusz
3) Britton
4) Arrieta
5) Hunter
6) Chen
7) Johnson
8) Wada
9) Tillman
10) Strop
11) Drake
12) Lindstrom
13) Patton
14) Hammel
15) Bergy
16) Phillips
17) Eveland
18) ODay
19) Gregg
20) Berken
21) Simon

[oriolefan1035]

I'm surprised so many people think Britton has a higher 'ceiling' than Matusz...what a difference a year makes. I'll go with this as my top 5 based on ceiling alone:
1. Bundy
2. Matusz
3. Arrieta
4. Britton
5. Tillman

[wildcard]

Here is the summary of all the votes:

1) Bundy
2) Britton
3) Matusz
4) Arrieta
5) Chen
6) Johnson
7) Hunter
8) Tillman
9) Strop
10) Wada
11) Drake
12) Hammel
13) Lindstrom
14) Bergy
15) O'Day
16) Eveland
16) Simon
18) Patton
19) Phillips
20) Berken
21) Gregg


If the OH is right it is hard to see someone with potential as low as Hammel making the rotation when there are other higher potential guys on the team. Hammel score is probably the most surprising to me.

[Singleton]

I'd start with Bundy, Matusz, Britton, Arrieta and Hunter. I really don't have a good sense of where Chen fits in. He could have a higher ceiling than a couple of those, or maybe not.

This. I don't thing other names matter much. I think Tillman belongs here and if we're talking about ceilings, I'd have him higher than Hunter. Can't decide if i'd have him higher than Arrieta.
The companion poll would be list the players in order of most likely to reach their ceiling. I'd have Tillman and Matusz at the bottom but I'm hoping like crazy that Matusz is the surprise of the year -- a good one this time. If the team stinks -- as most expect -- but say Matusz and Britton take big steps and maybe Bundy pitches to his potential in the minors.....it would go a long way towards a brighter future.

[ccbird]

Here is the summary of all the votes:

1) Bundy
2) Britton
3) Matusz
4) Arrieta
5) Chen
6) Johnson
7) Hunter
8) Tillman
9) Strop
10) Wada
11) Drake
12) Hammel
13) Lindstrom
14) Bergy
15) O'Day
16) Eveland
16) Simon
18) Patton
19) Phillips
20) Berken
21) Gregg


If the OH is right it is hard to see someone with potential as low as Hammel making the rotation when there are other higher potential guys on the team. Hammel score is probably the most surprising to me.


I don;t see how anyone could have Hammel below Wada or Drake.

[MatthewW]

Here is the summary of all the votes:

1) Bundy
2) Britton
3) Matusz
4) Arrieta
5) Chen
6) Johnson
7) Hunter
8) Tillman
9) Strop
10) Wada
11) Drake
12) Hammel
13) Lindstrom
14) Bergy
15) O'Day
16) Eveland
16) Simon
18) Patton
19) Phillips
20) Berken
21) Gregg


If the OH is right it is hard to see someone with potential as low as Hammel making the rotation when there are other higher potential guys on the team. Hammel score is probably the most surprising to me.

From this list I am most surprised...

1) How many people are confusing 'ceiling' with 'not wanting a $6M middle reliever.' I want Kevin Gregg gone as much as anybody, but he isn't #21 when talking about 'ceiling'.
2) Wada at #10?!?!? I feel way too many people are a little too excited with this signing.
3) Simon at #16. He may never really put it all together, but their are times when he flashed brilliance. 94-95 fastball velocity that can touch 97, with a curve that can be a very good pitch. And the ability to start...
4) Drake is too high...

Overall though, the 'summary' is pretty solid...