Ready for the rematch

[Sports Guy]

Come on Saturday night!

Not sure what to expect in the Duke-MD game this weekend.

Duke just had a huge win against Carolina(I know BEaner and ND are happy bout that..:) ) and certainly looked good on the road recently at Wake. However, did they expend too much energy tonight, especially mentally?

Now, of course they want redemption for the game earlier this year but that atmosphere, with the ESPN college gameday crew there, and being a national night game, will be tough to handle for the hated Devils.

MD, as we all know, is capable of both losing to and beating anyone at home.

So, how will this play out?

One thing is for sure, Duke has to shoot better and not hurt themselves as much as did in Durham.

Hopefully, this game will be like last years game in MD, where Duke was never really in jeopardy of losing. :D

[BaltimoreTerp]

Duke came within a Raymond Felton brain-fart of losing at home to their biggest rival, so who knows if that will affect them and to what extent.

The Terps need Ibekwe healthy to come off the bench. Bowers has looked better and better every game, and he did a good job against Williams last time, so we'll see what happens there.

The keys are basically the same as last game: get an inside game at least established and fouls on Williams and Randolph, while getting good perimeter defense on Redick. Plus, they can't let Duke go on a run and take the crowd out.

Another win against Duke would be absolutely huge; we could essentially lose out afterwards and probably still have at least a really good shot at the NCAA tournament.

I'll say Maryland wins, 79-70.

[BmoreBoy]

I'm excited about the game. Duke looked pretty good tonight and unfortunately I didn't see Maryland on Tuesday so I still have the bitter taste of 2 back to back loses in my mouth. Since our ACC tournament win last year I don't know what to expect out of this team. For all I know we could crush Duke (I doubt it but won't say it's impossible), but I have a feeling it will be a tight game.

[Tank]

Maryland wins 80-77. I expect a closer game this time around.

[BustaJ2632]

Whatever the score, if anyone is going, I want to make sure you look for a few things.

First, I will be sitting behind the Maryland bench (hopefully, assuming I can get my seat in time), but where ever I sit, I will have the picture of Ken Griffey with his swollen head and a Sheldon Williams jersey on ;).

Second, there is a group of students in the pep band who formed a group called the Byrd's 11. For the Florida State football game, they snuck into Byrd and put up a giant banner that said "We will protect this house." Any students on campus might have seen it that morning, but Ralph ordered it down by mid-day.

Well, for the Duke game, they got organized and got the approval of the Athletic Department to post pro-Maryland stuff around Comcast. One of the leaders of the Byrd's 11 lives on my floor, so a bunch of us just got back from spray painting plywood that was put up along the student bridge, next to the Campus Rec Center. Right now, it just says "Fear the Turtle" in a cool design, along with the outlines of two block M's, but we're going to go back tomorrow night after the women's game and add a lot of stuff around those words. We've also spent the last week working on two giant (about 45'x40') banners that will hang off Lot 6, the parking garage next to Comcast Center. There is one for men's basketball that is a designed like a yellow roadside warning sign. It reads "Now Entering Garyland." There is also a women's one which just says "Maryland Women's Basketball," but it has a really cool design.

They've also planned a few things for inside Comcast. Anyone who's been to a Maryland game knows that the students hold up newspapers during the visiting team introductions. There will be Byrd's 11 representatives (most likely not me, though) standing at each vestibule to give out newspapers to all the fans, students or not.

Finally, right after the Duke introdutions, when the lights go off for the Maryland introductions, the students on "The Wall" will be have been given red and white placards. These placards will form a giant M. It should look...really awesome.

Oh, and if you are on campus and have been noticing the "At 3:00PM on February 13, you will not be standing here" signs, we put those up (and in the Diamondback) too. That's to advertise for the women's game against Duke the next day. Although all of us think it is just a little bit weird. That was one of the things the athletic department requested that we do in return for their cooperation with the rest of the stuff.

So if you're coming, check out as much of our stuff as you can. If you see the plywood graffiti on the bridge, I did the "he" in "the" and the "u" in "Turtle." On the Women's Basketball sign, I did the second "a" in Maryland, and on the Garyland sign, I did the "ring" in "Entering." Go Terps!

[longflyball]

The Terps need Ibekwe healthy to come off the bench.

Ibekwe doesn't plan to play on Saturday.

Which makes it difficult to envision a Maryland victory. His 15 points and 9 rebounds were critical in the first game, and the hodge podge lineups Gary's been fielding in his absence aren't likely to fly against Duke. Caner Medley will need to have a monster night.

But I'll be doing my part to give MD a great homefield advanage. From behind the visitor's bench no less.

[photoman]

Ibekwe doesn't plan to play on Saturday.

Which makes it difficult to envision a Maryland victory. His 15 points and 9 rebounds were critical in the first game, and the hodge podge lineups Gary's been fielding in his absence aren't likely to fly against Duke. Caner Medley will need to have a monster night.

But I'll be doing my part to give MD a great homefield advanage. From behind the visitor's bench no less.
McCray needs a monster nite, and Garrison needs to show up, if nothing more then to beable to use 5 fouls. McCray has to shoot the ball. Medley needs to pack it in with the lowpost, so he dont have to take the ball from 15 feet everytime from the right base.

Garrison needs to get his head out of his ass and realize the combination of him, Bowers and Gist can be potent also. Lately hes been doing the early season Gilchrist, with the confused look on his face. To watch a guy 6-8 weighing about 240 being a nothing on a basketball team is frustrating.

Theres no reason why Bowers and/or Garrison should be passing the ball into McCray or Gilchrist, or throwing alley-oops to Gist. With a PG like Gilchrist whos constantly moving and constantly dribbling, lowpost players need to be constantly jockying for position, and not standing around the perimeter, or just standing around.

Marylands game is close to how they played VT. But that consisted of McCray shooting the ball and opening up everything else. Maryland can beat Duke. 79-70 :rolleyes: I say 68-65, if they play smart. If they play dumb they lose 95-70. McCray dont shoot they lose anyway.

[Mackus]

Of all the teams where we would really need a healthy Ibekwe to beat, Duke isn't one of them. They only have two guys who can even be considered interior players in WIlliams and Randolph, and Randolph still doesn't look like much of a threat. Having Ibekwe would give us an advantage inside, IMO, but not having jut makes the matchup neutral, assuming Garrison can pull his head out of his a**. Williams is a force inside, and is better than Gist, Bowers, and Garrison, but I think each of those guys, including Bowers, is playing better than randolph right now.

The key will be the big guys playing well as a group and McCray playing amazing defense on Redick again. McCray will be expending tons of energy defensively, so you can't count on him for lots of offense, so Nik and Gilchrist will need to carry the offensive load. I expect Mike Jones to get a lot of PT and offensive looks as well.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of 3-4 guard sets, with lineups like Gilchrist, McCray, Jones, Caner-Medley, and Gist/Garrison on the court for extensive minutes.

[Sports Guy]

Randolph still remains a big key for Duke, Mac.

He is playing better and better but he still makes ridiculously stupid fouls and is now just getting back into full strength from the mono.

Based on pure talent, none of those guys are as good as Randolph however, he is lacking in confidence and strength right now.

But remember last year, in the UCONN game, Randolph was better than every big man on the court when he was in the game. Of course, he was in foul trouble, so he was only in there for like half the game.

I am interested to see how in does now, in the second half of the season.

Also, was last night Nelson's coming out party? If it was, look out because all of a sudden Duke has a good bench especially when Love and McClure come back.

[Sports Guy]

Just read an article on ESPN about Duke and there big win last night and Redick talked about the MD game and how they are coming off of 2 big wins, just as they did heading into the last game with the Terps, and how they can not afford the same let down.

They seem like they will be ready.

Should be a great game. Go Duke! :D

[Krimka]

Whatever the score, if anyone is going, I want to make sure you look for a few things.

First, I will be sitting behind the Maryland bench (hopefully, assuming I can get my seat in time), but where ever I sit, I will have the picture of Ken Griffey with his swollen head and a Sheldon Williams jersey on ;).

That's really cool. I'll be sitting across from the Maryland bench, in the 1st/2nd row, closer to the edge of the announcer's table. I believe my friend and I will be holding up signs, so just look for the guy in an all-black Ibekwe jersey. :cool:

Duke is an inside-out team, and disrupting that will be the key in stopping them. McCray will have to shadow Redick, and hopefully neutralize him, while Bowers AND GARRISON have to keep Sheldon in check. If Williams is able to go off inside and pick up cheap fouls (*cough* Travis *cough*) on our guys, then we stand no chance. Gist is not large enough to guard their center, so it really comes down to Will and Travis. Once Sheldon is kept in check, Duke will have no other option than to drive into traffic or force threes, which really plays into our favor.

If we can keep either Redick or Ewing to 15 or less points, and hold off Sheldon inside while keeping our bigs out of foul trouble, then we should win. Expect to see a starting lineup of Bowers, NCM, Jones, McCray, and Gilchrist to combat Duke's 3 guard lineup. This will also spare Garrison for the first 3-5 minutes so he doesn't pick up any quick fouls.

[Max Power]

I really hope the Ken Griffey Jr sign makes it on to tv.

[glenn__davis]

SG, as a Duke fan, do you get up for the MD game more than other ACC games, with the exception of UNC? I know Duke-UNC is the rivalry as long as both teams are good, but do you see Duke-MD as a rivalry too, and if so, do you think you would if you weren't from this area?

[Sports Guy]

SG, as a Duke fan, do you get up for the MD game more than other ACC games, with the exception of UNC? I know Duke-UNC is the rivalry as long as both teams are good, but do you see Duke-MD as a rivalry too, and if so, do you think you would if you weren't from this area?

Here is the thing...For a rivalry to be a rivalry, doesn't the other team actually have to win?

Duke has beat UNC 15 out of 17 games and like 10 of 11. Thats not a rivalry now, is it?

MD/Duke has clearly been a better rivalry so far this decade and yes i do get up for this game big time because of course all my friends are MD fans so that adds to the fire.

Now, that being said, thew Duke/UNC rivalry i somethign that none of us up here probably truly understand. I mean last night was the 133rd consecutive game between those 2 were at least one team was ranked. Thats amazing. IN the last 24 final fours, 18 of them have had at least one of the schools in it.

These 2 schools have dominated college bball since the early 80's.
They are only 8 miles apart. They have great coaches. It is just as good as it gets in sports. Give me UNC/Duke over any rivalry in any sport.

[mweb]

Here is the thing...For a rivalry to be a rivalry, doesn't the other team actually have to win?

Duke has beat UNC 15 out of 17 games and like 10 of 11. Thats not a rivalry now, is it?

MD/Duke has clearly been a better rivalry so far this decade and yes i do get up for this game big time because of course all my friends are MD fans so that adds to the fire.

Now, that being said, thew Duke/UNC rivalry i somethign that none of us up here probably truly understand. I mean last night was the 133rd consecutive game between those 2 were at least one team was ranked. Thats amazing. IN the last 24 final fours, 18 of them have had at least one of the schools in it.

These 2 schools have dominated college bball since the early 80's.
They are only 8 miles apart. They have great coaches. It is just as good as it gets in sports. Give me UNC/Duke over any rivalry in any sport.

Wow, so in the same post you basically say UNC/Duke isn't a rivalry because one team wins all the time, MD/Duke has been the better rivalry lately, but UNC/Duke is the best rivalry in any sport. Very interesting.

Anyway, I know we all hate both teams, but Yankees-Sox is the best rivalry in American sports right now. It was at least as good of a rivalry before this postseason, but after that incredible comeback, that rivalry easily wins out. Especially since the Sox did what UNC hasn't been able to, and that is beat their arch rival, and when it counts the most nonetheless.

[BustaJ2632]

An update on the stuff we were working on....

Bad news. We were planning on putting the giant 45'x40' banners up last night, but it started to rain so we left them weighted down in the parking garage and roped off that area. We came back today and found that the wind had ripped them out from under the garbage cans and sand bags, and they were wrapped around the polls of the garage. Paint had chipped off, too much to repaint. So the banners are out :(. The mural along the student bridge also came down overnight, but that was all saved. Painting on that was finished tonight, and the mural will be put back up in time for the weekend. Oh well, at least the mural looks really cool, and I'm looking forward to how the wall will look.

Krimka, I'll watch out for you. Are you normally at the front of the line, waiting for a while before the doors open even for the other games? If so (and I ask this because the seats you describe are usually the first to fill up), I probably have seen you. Besides the sign, you can recognize me by my red Mike Jones jersey. Go Terps!

[oraverps10711]

An update on the stuff we were working on....

Bad news. We were planning on putting the giant 45'x40' banners up last night, but it started to rain so we left them weighted down in the parking garage and roped off that area. We came back today and found that the wind had ripped them out from under the garbage cans and sand bags, and they were wrapped around the polls of the garage. Paint had chipped off, too much to repaint. So the banners are out :(. The mural along the student bridge also came down overnight, but that was all saved. Painting on that was finished tonight, and the mural will be put back up in time for the weekend. Oh well, at least the mural looks really cool, and I'm looking forward to how the wall will look.

Krimka, I'll watch out for you. Are you normally at the front of the line, waiting for a while before the doors open even for the other games? If so (and I ask this because the seats you describe are usually the first to fill up), I probably have seen you. Besides the sign, you can recognize me by my red Mike Jones jersey. Go Terps!
I'm distraught, I didn't get a ticket for the game....the lottery system is a scam. I got one for gameday, but it just won't be the same.

[Rob]

How many loyalty points did you have oraverps10711? My friend had 14 and didn't get one. A guy in the Diamonback had a good idea a few days ago, just do the first half of the tickets based strictly on loyalty points and the last half on the lottery system. I don't know if they'd do that for all the games or just Duke/UNC.

[longflyball]

How many loyalty points did you have oraverps10711? My friend had 14 and didn't get one. A guy in the Diamonback had a good idea a few days ago, just do the first half of the tickets based strictly on loyalty points and the last half on the lottery system. I don't know if they'd do that for all the games or just Duke/UNC.

That sounds fair. I didn't get a ticket through the lottery, and didn't really deserve one, but was lucky that a student group I'm in got tickets through that lottery.

[Mackus]

I'm distraught, I didn't get a ticket for the game....the lottery system is a scam. I got one for gameday, but it just won't be the same.
I didn't get one either, the system is crap. I have 13 of 15 points and some of my friends with only 2 points got tickets.

I'm gonna get in through catering. A lot of my friends work there and I should be able to sneak in if I can't get a ticket On Demand.

[Sports Guy]

Wow, so in the same post you basically say UNC/Duke isn't a rivalry because one team wins all the time, MD/Duke has been the better rivalry lately, but UNC/Duke is the best rivalry in any sport. Very interesting.

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LOL, yeah i realized that as i wrote it but was like, f it. LOL

Anyway, my real point is that while UNC/Duke is a specuial kind of rivalry, that MD has been the team that has actually stood up to Duke and been able to beat them, not the Heels.

The Duke-MD rivalry, in pure bball sense, has been better than Duke-UNC in this decade. But the Duke-UNC rivalry goes further than just "pure bball".

[JohnD]

I've been looking forward to this game all week. Today I celebrate my birthday quietly with my girlfriend. Tomorrow a few of my good friends come down to the beach with a case of good stuff. Maryland and Dook start the party. My apartment may be the loudest one on the eastern shore. If I'm this excited already I can only imagine when gameday starts tomorrow and then finally tip off. I'm hoping to celebrate all over two beach towns tomorrow night. Seriously, tomorrow is my night. I have no idea whether we win or not, frankly it's as dicey as it was last time, but if everyone comes with great effort and plays smart the home crowd could really, really be something else. I've been down on McCray for a while, but if he goes scoreless but hold Redick under 20 I'm fine. Mike Jones will be asked to step up again and I think he will. Hopefully Ebekwe can pull a Willis Reed. I'm honestly most worried about the inside game and Gilchrest's shooting. If NCM goes inside effectively and Gilchrest is on, then I party till the sun comes up over the ocean!

[photoman]

I've been looking forward to this game all week. Today I celebrate my birthday quietly with my girlfriend. Tomorrow a few of my good friends come down to the beach with a case of good stuff. Maryland and Dook start the party. My apartment may be the loudest one on the eastern shore. If I'm this excited already I can only imagine when gameday starts tomorrow and then finally tip off. I'm hoping to celebrate all over two beach towns tomorrow night. Seriously, tomorrow is my night. I have no idea whether we win or not, frankly it's as dicey as it was last time, but if everyone comes with great effort and plays smart the home crowd could really, really be something else. I've been down on McCray for a while, but if he goes scoreless but hold Redick under 20 I'm fine. Mike Jones will be asked to step up again and I think he will. Hopefully Ebekwe can pull a Willis Reed. I'm honestly most worried about the inside game and Gilchrest's shooting. If NCM goes inside effectively and Gilchrest is on, then I party till the sun comes up over the ocean!
And Happy Birthday to You!!!!!
Hopefully Garrison will have a comingoutgame.

[beaner]

I think Duke wins this game pretty big. In fact, If you're a gambler, I'd lay the 2.5 with Duke and feel pretty good about it. I'll be rooting for the Terps, dont get me wrong, but like Duke 87-73.

[BustaJ2632]

One last update...the student wall mural is up. The Sheldon poster made its appearance at GameDay and will go back to the game. We've also added a "Maryland's Red, Dookies are Blue, I'm bad at poetry and J.J. is too." poster.

[photoman]

I think Duke wins this game pretty big. In fact, If you're a gambler, I'd lay the 2.5 with Duke and feel pretty good about it. I'll be rooting for the Terps, dont get me wrong, but like Duke 87-73.
Right now if you're a halfway good team you can easily beat the Terps the second time around. Most coaches will counteract, to counteract, to counteract. Gary Williams will throw the same thing at you win, lose or draw. I doubt if Duke will get into a run and gun with the Terps, because they realize the Terps have nothing to stop them inside, offensively or defensively, Unless Garrison acts out of character.

[Kefner]

Here we go!!!! Almost game time!!!

[BmoreBoy]

Nick and John leading the scoring...looks good.

[mweb]

Good first half. Gilchrist has been amazing! I think his stat line at the half is 16 points, 7 rebs, and 5 assists, and he's only missed 2 shots from the field.

They've also gotten Duke in some foul trouble, so hopefully they can force Randolph and/or Williams sit out some due to foul trouble and ultimately foul out.

The defense has been decent, not much you can do about the way Ewing was shooting early, but we're putting them on the line too much.

Hopefully the second half goes alot like the first.

[BmoreBoy]

Overtime!!!! This Game Is Great!!!

[mweb]

Sweep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well it's nice that we can beat the Duke scrubs in OT.

BTW, how bad was Nessler and Vitale in OT? They didn't even realize Ewing fouled out until 3 minutes left in OT when they showed the foul trouble list. And they even said a shot by Redick was by Ewing after he fouled out, and obviously it's hard to mistake a white guy for a black guy.

[Tank]

WHAT A GAME. It doesn't get much better than that.

99-92

[powervich]

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[glenn__davis]

What a great game, and as a Terp fan, I'd like to give some props to Shelden Williams. What an incredible performance from him -- he was unstoppable. Nice game plan by Gary, though, to attack him hard.

Still, what a performance.

[mweb]

BTW, NCM made his best effort to lose this game for us with some awful shots, I have no clue what he's thinking sometimes.

And Mike Jones needs to play more!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just as I said when DJ got hurt, that injury doesn't hurt that much because it gives MJ more PT and he is probably the 3rd or 4th best player on the team.

[mweb]

What a great game, and as a Terp fan, I'd like to give some props to Shelden Williams. What an incredible performance from him -- he was unstoppable. Nice game plan by Gary, though, to attack him hard.

Still, what a performance.

Yeah, he owned the glass and was abusing Garrison, good thing we got him out of the game. The guy is a beast! Ewing was great too. Reddick had a good scoring total but I wouldn't say he played a good game, he missed a good amount of shots and turned it over too much.

[clapdiddy]

Sweep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well it's nice that we can beat the Duke scrubs in OT.

BTW, how bad was Nessler and Vitale in OT? They didn't even realize Ewing fouled out until 3 minutes left in OT when they showed the foul trouble list. And they even said a shot by Redick was by Ewing after he fouled out, and obviously it's hard to mistake a white guy for a black guy.
I got sick of hearing Dickie V. talk about how the "Duke guys give it their all even though they are short-handed" in the overtime.

How about Maryland? We are missing Strawberry for the year, Fofana has transferred, and Ibekwe was playing on bad ribs. He's so far up Coach K's butt, and he doesn't even try to hide it any more. :eek:

[glenn__davis]

Yeah, he owned the glass and was abusing Garrison, good thing we got him out of the game. The guy is a beast! Ewing was great too. Reddick had a good scoring total but I wouldn't say he played a good game, he missed a good amount of shots and turned it over too much.

Yeah, I think Redick ended up with 20, but it was a very quiet 20. He had a bad OT, but only because he had absolutely no help. The game was over when Williams went out.

[mweb]

I got sick of hearing Dickie V. talk about how the "Duke guys give it their all even though they are short-handed" in the overtime.

How about Maryland? We are missing Strawberry for the year, Fofana has transferred, and Ibekwe was playing on bad ribs. He's so far up Coach K's butt, and he doesn't even try to hide it any more. :eek:

I don't think he was bad as far as rooting for Duke, I think he pretty much called it down the line. I just thought they both butchered the Ewing fouling out situation.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Awesome game.

Gilchrist is finally doing exactly what he should be doing: looking for the pass and if nothing is there quick go for it himself.

Bowers played very well in his fairly limited time on the court. Looks like he's now officially our best post player.

Caner-Medley looked terrible, but he looked like he never got started at all, and was forcing everything like last year. Hopefully this was just a bad game and not a regression.

Chris McCray is setting himself up to be The Guy next year. He still needs to shoot more, and get better at moving to get open, but he is our best defender and second to Jones in pure shooting.

Did Juan Dixon come into the locker room before the game and heal Ibekwe's rib? He put in some good minutes, although he's still shooting too much from outside and making dumb fouls. He should also feel lucky HE didn't get called for the technical on Dockery.

Duke had FIVE PLAYERS foul out. That has to be some kind of conference record. That is why they lost tonight. They played very well against Maryland and probably should have won.

Did I mention it was an awesome game?

[glenn__davis]

-Ibekwe needs to stop shooting the jump shot NOW




People say this because his shot is so ugly, but when you watch, he makes it much more often than not when he's open. I'm very comfortable with him taking open jumpers.

[mweb]

[QUOTE=BaltimoreTerp]Awesome game.

Chris McCray is setting himself up to be The Guy next year. He still needs to shoot more, and get better at moving to get open, but he is our best defender and second to Jones in pure shooting.QUOTE]

I don't think McCray will be the man next year, he's certainly not a primary scorer. If Gilchrist leaves than NCM and MJ will be the top 2 scoring options and hopefully one of the interior players will develop into go to guys. I think Ibekwe has the best shot at that.

[mweb]

People say this because his shot is so ugly, but when you watch, he makes it much more often than not when he's open. I'm very comfortable with him taking open jumpers.

I agree, but I think ne needs to develop and use his post game more.

[Sopranos]

I hate to rain on the parade, but if history tells us anything (this year) next game at NCSU they will lose and maybe even @ UVA they will lose. It pisses me off we get up for Duke but lose to teams we should beat like Clemson and NCSU. Maryland is not a good team until we can beat the Clemsons, Miami's and NCSU's of the world.

[glenn__davis]

I agree, but I think ne needs to develop and use his post game more.

Oh, I agree whole-heartedly with that. I'm still confident it'll come with him. He's an amazing talent. Just needs to play smarter and much more under control. He should've been given a technical with Ewing, and he's constantly committing dumb fouls out of frustration. When he gets the mental part down, he's going to be very, very good.

[BaltimoreTerp]

I don't think McCray will be the man next year, he's certainly not a primary scorer. If Gilchrist leaves than NCM and MJ will be the top 2 scoring options and hopefully one of the interior players will develop into go to guys. I think Ibekwe has the best shot at that.
After their freshmen years everyone thought Caner-Medley would be the man last year.

After last year everyone thought Jones would be the man this year.

All McCray does is play great defense and shoot as well as anyone. He is going to be an important part of some NBA team's bench one day.

[mweb]

After their freshmen years everyone thought Caner-Medley would be the man last year.

After last year everyone thought Jones would be the man this year.

All McCray does is play great defense and shoot as well as anyone. He is going to be an important part of some NBA team's bench one day.

I'm not dogging on McCray, but he is simply not someone who can be a good 1st option on a team. He's not that great of an outside shooter either.

BTW, NCM and Jones are better scorers this year. And it's hard for Jones to be the man when he doesn't get much PT.

And Jones saved us tonight, he's the one who brought us back with 8 unanswered points.

[powervich]

I'm not dogging on McCray, but he is simply not someone who can be a good 1st option on a team. He's not that great of an outside shooter either.

BTW, NCM and Jones are better scorers this year. And it's hard for Jones to be the man when he doesn't get much PT.

And Jones saved us tonight, he's the one who brought us back with 8 unanswered points.


McCray's freethrows were vitale too down the stretch.

[Sports Guy]

What was up with the fans tonight?

They seemed very quiet in long stretches of the game and then, they rush the court?

Don't you get to the point where you are an elite prgram and you no longer rush the court?

Don't you expect to win games like this?

[BaltimoreTerp]

I'm not dogging on McCray, but he is simply not someone who can be a good 1st option on a team. He's not that great of an outside shooter either.

BTW, NCM and Jones are better scorers this year. And it's hard for Jones to be the man when he doesn't get much PT.

And Jones saved us tonight, he's the one who brought us back with 8 unanswered points.
Those two might be better scorers, but McCray is a better player, since he is the best defender on the team, plus the second-best free-throw shooter in the conference behind He Who's Soul is Owned by the Devil.

[BaltBird 24]

Someone is bitter tonight.

Your unranked team just beat one of their best rivals, who happens to be ranked in the top 10.

You're damn right I'd rush the court.

[BaltimoreTerp]

What was up with the fans tonight?

They seemed very quiet in long stretches of the game and then, they rush the court?

Don't you get to the point where you are an elite prgram and you no longer rush the court?

Don't you expect to win games like this?
Even when the team went on a run you could barely hear the crowd. My guess is ESPN had the crowd noise mics turned WAY WAY down so they wouldn't risk the absolutely HORRIFYING event from last year :rolleyes:.

And you aren't allowed to rush the court when you beat your biggest rival in overtime?

[mweb]

Those two might be better scorers, but McCray is a better player, since he is the best defender on the team, plus the second-best free-throw shooter in the conference behind He Who's Soul is Owned by the Devil.

Being the best defensive player and FT shooter doesn't make you the man on a team though.

[Sports Guy]

Someone is bitter tonight.

Your unranked team just beat one of their best rivals, who happens to be ranked in the top 10.

You're damn right I'd rush the court.


1) I am not bitter. Duke had no chance in OT with so many guys out. This loss does not bother me at all.

2) MD is an elite program. As an elite program, their students should expect to win games like this. No reason to rush the court.

The fact that they were so quiet for alot of the game was bad too.

[bobmc]

McCray's freethrows were vitale too down the stretch.

And Dicky V emphasized that fact. ;)

[Mackus]

1) I am not bitter. Duke had no chance in OT with so many guys out. This loss does not bother me at all.

2) MD is an elite program. As an elite program, their students should expect to win games like this. No reason to rush the court.

The fact that they were so quiet for alot of the game was bad too.
We were not quiet at all the entire game, except for maybe halftime. Maybe the mikes were turned way down, but that was the loudest I have ever heard Comcast.

Anyways.....great win, time to get drunk!

[mweb]

1) I am not bitter. Duke had no chance in OT with so many guys out. This loss does not bother me at all.

I understand that you might not be upset that they lost since it was a road game and much of their team fouled out. However, I find it funny that someone who started a thread on this game saying you can't wait for it and has said that as a fan the MD matchups are the most important regular season games would say that the loss doesn't bother you at all.

[Sports Guy]

I understand that you might not be upset that they lost since it was a road game and much of their team fouled out. However, I find it funny that someone who started a thread on this game saying you can't wait for it and has said that as a fan the MD matchups are the most important regular season games would say that the loss doesn't bother you at all.

Coming into this year, i was hoping for splits vs MD, UNC, Tech and Wake.

I assumed home wins and road losses.

Losing to MD at MD is not a bad loss, especially with so many guys fouling out.

I have no question in my mind that had WIlliams not fouled that, that Duke wins this game. The refs called the game tight and it hurt Duke more than MD.

With the way the game played out, with the game being at MD and with the gameday crew, losing this game the way they did does not bother me.

The loss at Cameron bothered me.

[mweb]

SG: I understand what you're saying and don't disagree with the reasoning, however I think saying it doesn't bother you is a reach. As long as you cared about the outcome of the game, and we all know you did very much so, a Duke loss has to bother you.

You can say, well they couldn't have been expected to win on the road and with losing guys due to fouls, so it's not a bad loss. But to say it doesn't bother you is infering you didn't care who won.

[slowey404]

John played a great game the stat that i did not realize was that he was only one assist away from a triple double.

[mweb]

They just showed the mania meter on ESPN Gameday, I guess it ranks the decibal ratings of each school they've been to, Syracuse was first, MD was tied with Kansas for second and UConn was last. So I don't think the MD fans were quiet. Abd Syracuse had something like 30,000 fans at their game, so hard to compete with that.

[BustaJ2632]

Oh my goodness, if you think we weren't loud, you're deaf. Or ESPN's mics were off. That was by far the loudest I've heard Comcast in my two years. Great creativity by all the fans, very well behaved overall, and friggin loud. My ears are still ringing, and will be for quite some time. And I won't have a voice anytime before Tuesday.

[BustaJ2632]

I'm borrowing this from a post in a thread titled "Crowd" at www.terptown.com. From "All-Conference" poster Parlay:


not only was it as good as comcast has ever been, it was as good as cole ever was. it was simply the best crowd i have experienced at maryland.

From Devils0720 ("Not a Duke Fan")


The students were as dominant as the players. Period.

Also, to address the issue of storming the court, I couldn't have said it better than Devils0720:


You say that because you weren't on the court.

Maybe if you saw JG's reaction to everyone on the court you would change your opinion.

So forgive my borrowing these quotes, because I am so emotionally drained right now that I don't think I can say anything too meaningful myself. Once again, I turn to Devils0720 for the summation of my night, and probably the night of the 4,000 students that were at Comcast:


Rushing the court and physically embracing the players after a win against a much HATED rival is one of the best feelings I've experienced.

I rushed from right behind the Maryland bench and hugged Nik and Mike Jones (who I knew from a class last year) and high-fived Grinnon and Bowers. What a wonderful feeling.


Being at that game was one of the best experiences of my life. The atmosphere there will be hard to duplicate in future games, maybe impossible.

I'm tearing up. I'm sitting at my computer, slightly buzzed (only slightly because I have to be up in...jeez 7 hours...to go work at the women's game), at 3:45AM and I'm tearing up. I'm only a sophomore, but it will be nearly impossible to top this night for my best college memory.

[orioles15902]

Props to MCcray for holding JJ to a quiet 20 something points. And Mike Jones for going on an 8-0 run to keep us in the game. To sweep Dook in a season is unreal. And i agree, the crowd was quite on tv. This Md team is so up and down. We can beat any team in the country and we can lose to anyone. This was such a big win.

[mweb]

I'm borrowing this from a post in a thread titled "Crowd" at www.terptown.com. From "All-Conference" poster Parlay:



From Devils0720 ("Not a Duke Fan")



Also, to address the issue of storming the court, I couldn't have said it better than Devils0720:



So forgive my borrowing these quotes, because I am so emotionally drained right now that I don't think I can say anything too meaningful myself. Once again, I turn to Devils0720 for the summation of my night, and probably the night of the 4,000 students that were at Comcast:



I rushed from right behind the Maryland bench and hugged Nik and Mike Jones (who I knew from a class last year) and high-fived Grinnon and Bowers. What a wonderful feeling.



I'm tearing up. I'm sitting at my computer, slightly buzzed (only slightly because I have to be up in...jeez 7 hours...to go work at the women's game), at 3:45AM and I'm tearing up. I'm only a sophomore, but it will be nearly impossible to top this night for my best college memory.

Wow, I wish I had gone to UMD. Missed out on the 2002 year, I would of still been in school that year.

[photoman]

Yeah, he owned the glass and was abusing Garrison, good thing we got him out of the game. The guy is a beast! Ewing was great too. Reddick had a good scoring total but I wouldn't say he played a good game, he missed a good amount of shots and turned it over too much.
TGarrison
Min RB As TO Bks Pts
38 11 1 2 4 17

SWilliams 34 16 1 2 3 23

Theres noone on the Terps im any harder on then Travis Garrison. I think Garrison played one of the best games ive seen since hes been a Terp. I applaud the fact that Garrison with his parttime lowpost playing had something to do with Williams, exclusively lowpost, fouling out. How about that. Im not quite sure from the stats alone that he was being abused by Williams. Williams was abusing the team.

Furthermore I think if Garrison had the physical aggressiveness of NCM the Terps would be more consistant. NCM is scary. Its like he has all this energy to burn and in the process burns down his own house. I found myself in the last minute of the game pleading for NCM not to touch the ball.

Kudos for whoevers tutoring Bowers. Just from one game the guy is playing more with his back to the basket in the lowpost. The guy gave an absolute quality 10 minutes.

[photoman]

I hate to rain on the parade, but if history tells us anything (this year) next game at NCSU they will lose and maybe even @ UVA they will lose. It pisses me off we get up for Duke but lose to teams we should beat like Clemson and NCSU. Maryland is not a good team until we can beat the Clemsons, Miami's and NCSU's of the world.
Thats a strange bedfellow when you can beat the #2 and #7 team in the country (which happens to be the same team, Duke), and get blowed out by NCSt and Clemson, which is not even on the second tier bubble for the NIT :confused:

Just like players need to work on their game, the coach needs to work on finding solutions to tempering levels of intensity. That situtation all comes back to the coach, when you have that disparity in intensity. Which is more important beating Duke and losing the next 3 games to scrubbs, or losing to Duke and winning those games. Well unless a coaches ego get in the way its about wins and losses. How does a team get so up to play Duke, and when they lose to obvious inferior teams the coach says the intensity just wasnt there.

[Ruzious]

What was up with the fans tonight?

They seemed very quiet in long stretches of the game and then, they rush the court?

Don't you get to the point where you are an elite prgram and you no longer rush the court?

Don't you expect to win games like this?

I can understand why you don't understand - since you're a Duke fan. It's called genuine enthusiasm - something that fans who don't rehearse chants - have.

[powervich]

Come on guys. Lets bask in the glory of sweeping Duke for atleast 24 hours before we objectively critique the players and game.


Woooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Ruzious]

After their freshmen years everyone thought Caner-Medley would be the man last year.

After last year everyone thought Jones would be the man this year.

All McCray does is play great defense and shoot as well as anyone. He is going to be an important part of some NBA team's bench one day.
McCray is a good college player, but you're making him out to be something he just isn't. You keep saying he's a real good shooter, but for a shooting guard, he has poor range. He's a 30% 3 point shooter this year - just like last year? Is it possible that he'll improve? Yes. But right now, he is not a good shooter. Him being on the floor at the 2 is one reason MD is a poor 3 point shooting team. I hope he makes it to the NBA, but besides shooting, he's not a super fluid athlete - you can see on fast breaks that he has trouble finishing some times, as he has to gather himself before leaping.

Mike Jones was the difference last night in the second half. He's showing that he's not just an outside shooter. He also has post-up skills. And it was his pass - after drawing the 2ble team - to set up Gilchrest for a 3 point play late - that was maybe the biggest play of the game.

[Old#5fan]

That McCray is some kind of foul shooter. As Vitale pointed out, he's Mr. Automatic.

[BaltimoreTerp]

McCray is a good college player, but you're making him out to be something he just isn't. You keep saying he's a real good shooter, but for a shooting guard, he has poor range. He's a 30% 3 point shooter this year - just like last year? Is it possible that he'll improve? Yes. But right now, he is not a good shooter. Him being on the floor at the 2 is one reason MD is a poor 3 point shooting team. I hope he makes it to the NBA, but besides shooting, he's not a super fluid athlete - you can see on fast breaks that he has trouble finishing some times, as he has to gather himself before leaping.

Mike Jones was the difference last night in the second half. He's showing that he's not just an outside shooter. He also has post-up skills. And it was his pass - after drawing the 2ble team - to set up Gilchrest for a 3 point play late - that was maybe the biggest play of the game.
He is third on the team in FG% of those who have major PT, behind Gist and Caner-Medley. He's third in PPG, behind C-M and Gilchrist. Plus, he is a better defender and free-throw shooter then anyone on the team.

[glenn__davis]

What was up with the fans tonight?

They seemed very quiet in long stretches of the game and then, they rush the court?

Don't you get to the point where you are an elite prgram and you no longer rush the court?

Don't you expect to win games like this?

Didn't the Dukies rush the court after beating Carolina?

Normally, though, I would agree with you. But this game had so much build-up, especially with College Game Day there, that I don't blame the fans, and if I were there I probably would've joined them.

[glenn__davis]

Mike Jones was the difference last night in the second half. He's showing that he's not just an outside shooter. He also has post-up skills. And it was his pass - after drawing the 2ble team - to set up Gilchrest for a 3 point play late - that was maybe the biggest play of the game.

I believe Jones has averaged 14.0 the last two games in fairly limited action, and during that stretch he's taken (and made) 1 3 pointer. His cuts and his passing are showing that he's really picking up the offense.

As for McCray, he's probably one of my favorite guys on the team, and he does so many things well. But he simply has not been a consistent three point shooter. I believe he had something like 4 three pointers made through the first 7 ACC games or something like that. He's looked much, much better these last three games though, and him shooting the ball well is a huge lift to Maryland, especially because of the extra space it allows on the inside.

[Sports Guy]

I can understand why you don't understand - since you're a Duke fan. It's called genuine enthusiasm - something that fans who don't rehearse chants - have.

LOL...Yea, the same enthusiasm that MARYLAND HAS COPIED, along with many other schools, from Cameron. LOL Now thats funny.

BTW, as i said, as an elite program, you do not rush the floor anymore unless you are in a very down year and happen to be a top team.

The Cameron fans did not rush the court when they beat UNC. They EXPECT to win and so should you guys.

As far as the crowd noise...Maybe the mics were turned down so that they did not pick up things they expected to hear from the MD fans. But on the TV, it sounded very quiet, especially when Duke was up by like 7 or 8 in the second half. But if you guys are saying it was very loud, i will obviously defer to those who were there.

[Sports Guy]

Didn't the Dukies rush the court after beating Carolina?
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No, i think like 20-25 people ran on the court when Noel dribbled it out of bounds but it was not some mad rush. And BTW, to get off the court at a Duke if you are in the student sections, you have to go on the court to get out of there.

[glenn__davis]

No, i think like 20-25 people ran on the court when Noel dribbled it out of bounds but it was not some mad rush. And BTW, to get off the court at a Duke if you are in the student sections, you have to go on the court to get out of there.

OK. I had definitely seen some fans running onto the court, but I turned it off pretty quickly.

[kdunc]

LOL...Yea, the same enthusiasm that MARYLAND HAS COPIED, along with many other schools, from Cameron. LOL Now thats funny.

BTW, as i said, as an elite program, you do not rush the floor anymore unless you are in a very down year and happen to be a top team.

The Cameron fans did not rush the court when they beat UNC. They EXPECT to win and so should you guys.

As far as the crowd noise...Maybe the mics were turned down so that they did not pick up things they expected to hear from the MD fans. But on the TV, it sounded very quiet, especially when Duke was up by like 7 or 8 in the second half. But if you guys are saying it was very loud, i will obviously defer to those who were there.

We should always storm the floor after victories over Duke simply because, apparantly, it really bothers Duke fans and we love to hear them whine. Saying the crowd was quiet is just sour grapes, too. Duke's players must of thought it was loud--or do they always miss so many free-throws??
Stating that Duke fans invented enthusiasm and everyone else copied really takes the cake :rolleyes: You need to stop beleiving everything you hear from Dookie V. :D

[BaltBird 24]

No, i think like 20-25 people ran on the court when Noel dribbled it out of bounds but it was not some mad rush.

You are right, it was not some mad rush. BUT, that is thanks to Duke security.

[longflyball]

What was up with the fans tonight?

They seemed very quiet in long stretches of the game and then, they rush the court?

Don't you get to the point where you are an elite prgram and you no longer rush the court?

Don't you expect to win games like this?

Quiet for long stretches of the game? Maybe that's how it sounded on TV, but why don't you ask my ringing ears and hoarse voice if it was at all quiet in there last night.

Cheering can be exhausing. You've got to pace yourself.

And I feel rushing the court was justified. It's our biggest rival. They were ranked top 10, and we weren't ranked.

[Sports Guy]

No one is saying we didn't expect to win.

But, with all this build up, and with the emotion the players showed, I think that storming the court was acceptable for yesterday's game.


I just disagree with this.

I know, as a Duke fan, if i had seen the Crazies rush the court against UNC, i would have been dissapointed in them and that was a more hyped game than this game was and that is a much more intense rivalry down there.

If MD was 9-13 or something, thats one thing. But they aren't.

[bobmc]

LOL...Yea, the same enthusiasm that MARYLAND HAS COPIED, along with many other schools, from Cameron. LOL Now thats funny.

BTW, as i said, as an elite program, you do not rush the floor anymore unless you are in a very down year and happen to be a top team.

The Cameron fans did not rush the court when they beat UNC. They EXPECT to win and so should you guys.

As far as the crowd noise...Maybe the mics were turned down so that they did not pick up things they expected to hear from the MD fans. But on the TV, it sounded very quiet, especially when Duke was up by like 7 or 8 in the second half. But if you guys are saying it was very loud, i will obviously defer to those who were there.

I'm a big Terp fan and I agree with SG here on noise and rushing the floor. Watching on tv, I thought it seemed very quiet - Terp fans expecting the worst (as was I) when they went down. Having gone to many games during the "Lefty years" at Cole and being among quiet Terp fans at the ACC tourneys, I was amazed at the sea of red and the noise at the beginning. Being a tv game, I think the fans felt "obligated" to rush the floor - even though it was a "tainted" victory with all the Duke starters out, imho. Sorry BustaJ! :o

[Sports Guy]

Quiet for long stretches of the game? Maybe that's how it sounded on TV, but why don't you ask my ringing ears and hoarse voice if it was at all quiet in there last night.

Cheering can be exhausing. You've got to pace yourself.



Did you even bother reading the post where is aid i will defer to those who were there but on TV it sounded quiet?

And you have to pace yourself? :confused:

[Sports Guy]

Stating that Duke fans invented enthusiasm and everyone else copied really takes the cake :rolleyes: You need to stop beleiving everything you hear from Dookie V. :D


It is a fact. New arenas are being built with the student sections being as close to the court as possible, ala Cameron.

It is like teams copying OPACY or Ravens stadium. That is the way it is in sports.

Michigan St is the best example of this.

[Sports Guy]

And, I agree some of the intensity died off at the end, but it is crazy to say the win was tainted. It is not the Terps fault that 3 of Duke's starters fouled out. IF anything, it shows how good the Terps played and attacked the basket.

..


The refs called a bunch of ticky tack fouls last night on both sides. MD did do a good job of attacking but Williams in particular got called for a few questionable fouls. But oh well, the refs called the game tight.

BTW, where are the MD fans complaining about the officiating? IS the officiating only bad in games you lose?

[bobmc]

People that were at the game said it was the loudest they have ever heard at Comcast..Can't we believe them.

And, I agree some of the intensity died off at the end, but it is crazy to say the win was tainted. It is not the Terps fault that 3 of Duke's starters fouled out. IF anything, it shows how good the Terps played and attacked the basket.

SG, I know what you are saying, and in most other cases I would not want us to storm the court, but yesterday was just a fun day, so I can make an exception. We'll just disagree..

As the pundits say, "It was what it was". Yeah, the Terps played hard, and I was happy with the victory, but it still would have felt better if Duke was at full strength at the end. If you guys were feeling it at the end - I mean with the Game Day thing and the whole day of hyping the event, I can surely agree with you Ravenbird. It was the difference of being there or not, I guess. Glad you had fun! The Terps have not had that many days of this - even being an elite program recently - over the years! :cool:

[Sports Guy]

[QUOTE=Ravenbird]I thought many of the calls were questionable...But I mean, we beat Duke. Why complain now? Would you be complaining if you beat us, and you got some good calls?

./QUOTE]


My point is that MD fans never say, well Duke beat us because they are better.

They always lose "thanks to the officiating".

Funny how when a game is called very tight and Duke loses most fo their team, that all of a sudden the officiating is not brought up.

I just find it amusing how Terp fans use the refs as a crutch when they lose to Duke.

[Ruzious]

He is third on the team in FG% of those who have major PT, behind Gist and Caner-Medley. He's third in PPG, behind C-M and Gilchrist. Plus, he is a better defender and free-throw shooter then anyone on the team.
And that shows that shooting is a team-wide problem. I said he's a good college player. It still doesn't change the fact that he has below average shooting range. You can't make the case that he'd be an adequate number 1 scoring option.

[Rob]

Normally there is an officiating bias towards Duke, I think most people who follow college basketball/the ACC will tell you that. IE They get away with a lot of fouls, tonight it was officiated evenly. I'm glad to know Duke fans came up with enthusiasm for sports, I guess you learn something new everyday. Just because student seats are as close as possible to the court doesn't mean that Duke invented it. I haven't watched the broadcast version of the game yet, but that's definitely the loudest I've heard Comcast (including last year's Duke/UNC games).

[Ruzious]

LOL...Yea, the same enthusiasm that MARYLAND HAS COPIED, along with many other schools, from Cameron. LOL Now thats funny.

Yes, that is funny. :D

Duke fans invented enthusiam. :p Other teams' fans strive to be like them.

Of course, it's only Duke fans that actually find the need to practice to be enthusiastic.

[oraverps10711]

[QUOTE=Ravenbird]I thought many of the calls were questionable...But I mean, we beat Duke. Why complain now? Would you be complaining if you beat us, and you got some good calls?

./QUOTE]


My point is that MD fans never say, well Duke beat us because they are better.

They always lose "thanks to the officiating".

Funny how when a game is called very tight and Duke loses most fo their team, that all of a sudden the officiating is not brought up.

I just find it amusing how Terp fans use the refs as a crutch when they lose to Duke.
Having a tough time with this loss are you?

btw, UNC might be your rival, but it looks like Maryland is your daddy.

[Ruzious]

Normally there is an officiating bias towards Duke, I think most people who follow college basketball/the ACC will tell you that. IE They get away with a lot of fouls, tonight it was officiated evenly. I'm glad to know Duke fans came up with enthusiasm for sports, I guess you learn something new everyday. Just because student seats are as close as possible to the court doesn't mean that Duke invented it. I haven't watched the broadcast version of the game yet, but that's definitely the loudest I've heard Comcast (including last year's Duke/UNC games).
It really is pathetic watching Coach K react when he doesn't get his way with calls - scrunching up his mouth in a little pout. The fact is that he's so used to benefitting from poor officiating, that he can't seem to handle it when the officials are even-handed and call a good game. It's probably 90% an act to help him get the next call, but the way he does it is sickening. What a great teacher. :rolleyes: I thought Collins was about to cry with him towards the end. Coach K is a great coach - He can be just as good without all the over-the-top facial expressions. He should be more like GW - calm and cool. ;)

[Mackus]

As far as rushing the court goes, it had nothing to do with pulling an "upset". I don't even think last night was an upset, the win at Cameron was, but I was fully expecting us to win last night, and wasn't even that worried when we were down 9 with about 8 to go or whatever it was.

We rushed the court because it was a big win over a hated rival. We could have been the #1 team in the country and probably still would have rushed the court.

And if it didn't seem loud in there then they must have had the mikes turned down. It was consistently loud throughout the entire game, especially on Duke's last two offensive possesions in the first half. It was louder at the end of the game than the start. That was the loudest Comcast has ever been and I've been to almost every game thats been played there. Last night was also louder than most games at Cole, although the really big games at Cole still topped the volume of last night.

[Sports Guy]

[QUOTE=Sports Guy]
Having a tough time with this loss are you?

btw, UNC might be your rival, but it looks like Maryland is your daddy.


I am not having a tough time at all. Does not bother me in the least, as i stated.

And BTW, MD is fighting with Miami for 4th place while Duke is fighting for the conference lead.

Duke is a #2/#3 seed and MD is just eeking in.

Duke is supposed to be down and MD was supposed to be up and be a top team.

Im thinking im happier with the season is playing out compared to the MD fans.

[Sports Guy]

Yes, that is funny. :D

Duke fans invented enthusiam. :p Other teams' fans strive to be like them.

Of course, it's only Duke fans that actually find the need to practice to be enthusiastic.


There is no doubt that arenas across the country are tryign to match the same atmosphere and "closeness to the court" that they have in Cameron.

Anyone who does not think that is a moron.

And those who do, i guess other teams in baseball did not copy the ideas of OPACY either, right?

[ccbird]

First off I was watching on TV and I could tell that it was loud. I told my friend who I was watching the game with that it was the loudest I had ever heard Comcast. Yes, there was a lull in the crowd when we fell down by 8-9 in the second half but thats expected. That was the opposing team quieting our crowd but it got loud again when we made our run and in overtime.


As far as the refs go I complained about them after Maryland won in Cameron, in fact it was the first thing I brought up. I think overall there is a Duke bias from the refs, no one will convience me otherwise. Once in awhile when a big game is played away from Cameron the refs will call the game straight up or even give the home team the benefit of calls that could go either way. Getting a little home cooking happens all the time and is something that should be expected by any visiting team.

[ledzepp8]

There is no doubt that arenas across the country are tryign to match the same atmosphere and "closeness to the court" that they have in Cameron.

Anyone who does not think that is a moron.

And those who do, i guess other teams in baseball did not copy the ideas of OPACY either, right?
Saying that schools have designed their arenas after that of Cameron Indoor isn't the same thing as saying that other school's fans have learned how to be enthusiastic from the "Cameron Crazies".

[Sports Guy]

Saying that schools have designed their arenas after that of Cameron Indoor isn't the same thing as saying that other school's fans have learned how to be enthusiastic from the "Cameron Crazies".


YEs you are right although there is still no doubt that the creativity of the Duke students does play a part into how other fans chant, move around or whatever.

[Hallas]

There is no doubt that arenas across the country are tryign to match the same atmosphere and "closeness to the court" that they have in Cameron.

Anyone who does not think that is a moron.

And those who do, i guess other teams in baseball did not copy the ideas of OPACY either, right?

I hear both Cameron Indoor Stadium and Cole Field House listed regularly in discussions about stadium design to get the fans involved. There are probably some other stadiums listed as well in that discussion too. I think it's a little much to give Duke singular credit for building up the idea of home-field advantage, though.

[PaulFolk]

First, I will be sitting behind the Maryland bench (hopefully, assuming I can get my seat in time), but where ever I sit, I will have the picture of Ken Griffey with his swollen head and a Sheldon Williams jersey on ;).
Busta, is that your picture in today's Baltimore Sun? It shows someone holding a "Shelden Nerve Tonic" sign (hilarious reference, by the way :D ).

[powervich]

Sportsguy said he would defer to people who claimed it was actually loud and were at the game. So I'll list some direct quotes from students and even Gary himself.

From Students at the game:


Loudest crowd ever at comcast? I was there and it sure sounded like it to me. Students were incredible tonight.

I was thinking that too, my hearing is still not back, and , my throat is definetly sore.

Its hard to imagine any venue being louder than Comcast was last night.

Loudest crowd I have ever been a part of period.

I was at the game last night and the place was going off. The atmosphere was electric. Loudest game I've been to.

From the Baltimore Sun

The crowd inside the Comcast Center certainly didn't suffer a lack of emotion. When Ikene Ebekwe tapped in a Travis Garrison miss with 39.5 seconds to play, giving Maryland an 87-86 lead, it was so loud in Comcast Center, if felt like a jet airplane had landed at center court.

And from Gary

"At the end of that game, I've never heard it louder. During the game, a lot of times you don't notice how loud the crowd is but at the end of the game when it was all over, I noticed how loud it was and that was unbelievable."


Indeed, a few people were puzzled about how it was dulled out on the TV broadcast. Some people think it was ESPN trying to prevent the vulgar chats being heard on tv.

Anyway, just wanted to make Sportsguy know, along with other Duke fans, that Maryland fans can get loud with the best of them.

[JohnD]

Great, great win. PLayed out pretty much the way I said it had to. And Garrison had his best game as a Terp. Beauty. Jones provided the perfect spark and I thought for the most part the game was officiated evenly, though with a few bad calls on both ends. Coach K just reinforced what a whiny snot he can be on the sidelines. And I still can't figure out why anyone is arguing with bitter Rob. We all know he'd come in and gloat about everything had they won, but since they didn't, well he's no different than any other Dookie.

[Sports Guy]

Great, great win. PLayed out pretty much the way I said it had to. And Garrison had his best game as a Terp. Beauty. Jones provided the perfect spark and I thought for the most part the game was officiated evenly, though with a few bad calls on both ends. Coach K just reinforced what a whiny snot he can be on the sidelines. And I still can't figure out why anyone is arguing with bitter Rob. We all know he'd come in and gloat about everything had they won, but since they didn't, well he's no different than any other Dookie.

Yea, i guess what it is is i am respecting the MD prgram too much.

YOu know, you guys are not better than FSU. Rush the court every game! Thats what you should do.

And again, im not bitter at all. Unlike the MD fans on here, when Duke loses a game against the Terps, i post a congrats message. However, when Duke beats them, the pathetic nature of the MD fan comes out and whines about the officiating.

The only comments i have about the game is that the tightness of the officiating hurt Duke more but that that is the way it was called all game long.

However, i would expect nothing from a typical MD fan than a response like that one John. Very very typical.

SIDE NOTE: There are certainly fans who do not fit this description. Alot of you guys on here are not like this. This is a "general" comment.

[NewMarketSean]

YOu know, you guys are not better than FSU. Rush the court every game! Thats what you should do.

Yeah, rush the court everytime, OK. We just swept Duke for the first time since 1994. Last time I checked that was 11 years ago and Duke is our biggest and best rival. LOL

[Mackus]

You know, you guys are not better than FSU. Rush the court every game! Thats what you should do.
The only thing I really disagree with you about this game is the rushing the court thing.

We didn't rush because we "upset" Duke, we rushed because we beat our biggest, most hated rival. We could have been the higher seed in this game and we probably still would have rushed. I think your looking at us rushing the court as a sign that we're a lesser program or something like that, which I disagree with. If we beat Georgia Tech or UNC or Wake while they were ranked top 10, we almost certainly don't rush the court (unless maybe if they are #1). Its just completely different with Duke, as they are, by far, our fiercest rival.

[Ruzious]

To be fair, Sports Guy isn't the only one with a hangup about fans rushing the court after a victory. The guy who does the college basketball column for The Sporting News (Mike DeCourcy?) criticised Terps fans for that 2 or 3 years ago. I actually sent him an e-mail about it, and he replied - saying he didn't mean to just single out Maryland. But he said to me that he thinks the only reason fans do that is so they'll get on tv. That didn't make much sense to me - since there are so many people on the floor that nobody watching on tv is going to be able to tell who's out there. Anyway, rushing the court isn't something I would do, but I don't see any harm in it. I figure it's just a release for some people, and they enjoy it. I guess it's a little immature, but I still don't get why it bothers others.

[mweb]

[QUOTE=Ravenbird]I thought many of the calls were questionable...But I mean, we beat Duke. Why complain now? Would you be complaining if you beat us, and you got some good calls?

./QUOTE]


My point is that MD fans never say, well Duke beat us because they are better.

They always lose "thanks to the officiating".

Funny how when a game is called very tight and Duke loses most fo their team, that all of a sudden the officiating is not brought up.

I just find it amusing how Terp fans use the refs as a crutch when they lose to Duke.

Not sure if you go on Duke boards, but I saw a lot of complaining about the refs by Duke fans and a lot of fans refusing to say they lost to the better team. So Duke fans are certainly not above MD in that respect. The only reason MD fans complain more is because they usually get the short end of the stick while Duke usually gets the benefit of the doubt from the refs.

[mweb]

You are right, it was not some mad rush. BUT, that is thanks to Duke security.

I also heard that the Duke fans started to rush the court but were held back by security after the NC game. And I'm amazed this is somehow a way too be critical of a program or its fans. Hmmm...My team loses so I don't have much to say so I'll rip the fans. And like others have said, why would we be ripping the fans after a win? Whats the point in that?

[mweb]

TGarrison
Min RB As TO Bks Pts
38 11 1 2 4 17

SWilliams 34 16 1 2 3 23

Theres noone on the Terps im any harder on then Travis Garrison. I think Garrison played one of the best games ive seen since hes been a Terp. I applaud the fact that Garrison with his parttime lowpost playing had something to do with Williams, exclusively lowpost, fouling out. How about that. Im not quite sure from the stats alone that he was being abused by Williams. Williams was abusing the team.

Furthermore I think if Garrison had the physical aggressiveness of NCM the Terps would be more consistant. NCM is scary. Its like he has all this energy to burn and in the process burns down his own house. I found myself in the last minute of the game pleading for NCM not to touch the ball.

Kudos for whoevers tutoring Bowers. Just from one game the guy is playing more with his back to the basket in the lowpost. The guy gave an absolute quality 10 minutes.

Garrison played decent, but Williams was abusing him in the post and on the boards. We were just lucky that Duke wasn't giving him the ball enough and he fouled out. Plus it was easier for Garrison to fill up the stat sheet with some Duke scrubs playing in the post. And 17 points on 15 shots is not anything to write home about for a PF.

But he certainly didn't play bad at all, the only guy who struggled was NCM who was awful.

[Sports Guy]

To be fair, Sports Guy isn't the only one with a hangup about fans rushing the court after a victory. The guy who does the college basketball column for The Sporting News (Mike DeCourcy?) criticised Terps fans for that 2 or 3 years ago. I actually sent him an e-mail about it, and he replied - saying he didn't mean to just single out Maryland. But he said to me that he thinks the only reason fans do that is so they'll get on tv. That didn't make much sense to me - since there are so many people on the floor that nobody watching on tv is going to be able to tell who's out there. Anyway, rushing the court isn't something I would do, but I don't see any harm in it. I figure it's just a release for some people, and they enjoy it. I guess it's a little immature, but I still don't get why it bothers others.


Actually, the act of rushign the court does not bother me in the least.

All i am saying is that when you are on a level of MD as a program, you do not rush the court anymore unless you are in the midst of a real down season.

Thats my point. You guys can disagree with that and thats fine but i know if Duke had rushed the court after beating UNC the other day, i would have thought that was pretty dumb on their part.

And another thing....Another riot in CP? Do you guys strive to be the Detroit of the east coast or something?

YOu win a regular season game and you burn stuff and get arrested? You have to have police surrounding you in riot gear?

Pretty pathetic if you ask me.

Nice win but end of the day, all you did was win a regular season game.

[powervich]

Actually, the act of rushign the court does not bother me in the least.

All i am saying is that when you are on a level of MD as a program, you do not rush the court anymore unless you are in the midst of a real down season.

Thats my point. You guys can disagree with that and thats fine but i know if Duke had rushed the court after beating UNC the other day, i would have thought that was pretty dumb on their part.

And another thing....Another riot in CP? Do you guys strive to be the Detroit of the east coast or something?

YOu win a regular season game and you burn stuff and get arrested? You have to have police surrounding you in riot gear?

Pretty pathetic if you ask me.

Nice win but end of the day, all you did was win a regular season game.

Oh that was real original! Only a very small portion of our fans do the rioting, mostly people who were to drunk to even pay attention to the game anyway. The great Maryland fans don't turn a great win into violence. It is pretty despicable for you to group all of us Maryland fans together and call our actions "pathetic".

You said you don't stoop down to a lower level after a loss 'like most maryland fans do', but that is exactly what you just did.

[Why Not?]

RE: Rushing the court.

I agree it's done too often, not just in College Park, but everywhere. Beating Duke in a close, tense game, on national TV, in the evening (which gives you more time to drink beer), makes it predictable that the kids would rush the court.

Keep in mind that, for many of the kids running onto the court on Saturday, this is the biggest win they have EVER seen in person. It's the biggest big-game atmosphere they will ever experience. I still wish they wouldn't do it, but since when do drunken college kids do the right thing?

[Sports Guy]

Oh that was real original! Only a very small portion of our fans do the rioting, mostly people who were to drunk to even pay attention to the game anyway. The great Maryland fans don't turn a great win into violence. It is pretty despicable for you to group all of us Maryland fans together and call our actions "pathetic".

You said you don't stoop down to a lower level after a loss 'like most maryland fans do', but that is exactly what you just did.


Did i ever mention other MD fans?

I specifically named CP.

Perhaps some reading comprehension is in order?

[ledzepp8]

Nice win but end of the day, all you did was win a regular season game.Not a bad loss for Duke...but end of the day you still got swept by an ACC team for the first time in 10 years, a team who's beaten you three times in a row.

You come on here claiming to give credit to Maryland where it's due...but in reality you give backhanded compliments.

[powervich]

Did i ever mention other MD fans?

I specifically named CP.

Perhaps some reading comprehension is in order?


You said "in CP". Which just so happens to be the home of 40,000 Terp fans and a huge portion of the nation fan base that is under 30 years old.

[oraverps10711]

Actually, the act of rushign the court does not bother me in the least.

All i am saying is that when you are on a level of MD as a program, you do not rush the court anymore unless you are in the midst of a real down season.

Thats my point. You guys can disagree with that and thats fine but i know if Duke had rushed the court after beating UNC the other day, i would have thought that was pretty dumb on their part.

And another thing....Another riot in CP? Do you guys strive to be the Detroit of the east coast or something?

YOu win a regular season game and you burn stuff and get arrested? You have to have police surrounding you in riot gear?

Pretty pathetic if you ask me.

Nice win but end of the day, all you did was win a regular season game.
You really are bitter, aren't you?

[Sports Guy]

Not a bad loss for Duke...but end of the day you still got swept by an ACC team for the first time in 10 years, a team who's beaten you three times in a row.

You come on here claiming to give credit to Maryland where it's due...but in reality you give backhanded compliments.


Actually, i did not give credit to them at all for this win.

I did with the win at Duke and the ACC tourney win because they were wins i did not see them getting.

I saw them getting this win.

Oh and perhaps you should read the whole context of the post. Winning a regular season game against Duke is no reason to riot. Do you actually disagree with that?