Mazzilli Fired

[Wild Bill]

Off the hot wire. He is gone.

[boogidownoriole]

What wire, please explain

[The Wedge]

Yeah, what wire? What cred? What source? I'll eat crow if I'm wrong but I'm calling BS and a troll.

[boogidownoriole]

Yeah, what wire? What cred? What source? I'll eat crow if I'm wrong but I'm calling BS and a troll.
This guy has been a member since 2003

[orangedive]

Two posts? This can't be for real.

[Voice of Reason]

Please be true.

[Wild Bill]

Just watch the news

[The Wedge]

This guy has been a member since 2003

And that was his second post in 2 years? I'll believe it when I see it, or it's backed up by a credible source is all I'm saying.

[boogidownoriole]

And that was his second post in 2 years? I'll believe it when I see it, or it's backed up by a credible source is all I'm saying.
Hey, when the guy speaks we should listen :D

[Wild Bill]

Sam P. replaces him

[earl]

Wild Bill is right.

[orangedive]

Sam P. replaces him

From where are you hearing this?

[boogidownoriole]

Just watch the news
Stop with the cryptic stuff..what news?

[The Wedge]

Hey, when the guy speaks we should listen :D

Well, if it's true, I'll come in and apologize.

[O the power]

Hallelujah.

[The Wedge]

Oh goodie, the backup on the info is another second post...

Can we get a real source here?

[terps817]

Sam P. replaces him

Where are you getting this from? We have AP wire here and there is NOTHING!

[boogidownoriole]

Oh goodie, the backup on the info is another second post...

Can we get a real source here?

Lol...its like a big joke, but it may be true.

[The Wedge]

Lol...its like a big joke, but it may be true.

That's what I'm afraid of. Because it MAY be true, it's very easy to come in here and state it cryptically and watch everyone flip out.

It'd be like getting on a Yankees board in May and posting that Torre was fired.

[boogidownoriole]

That's what I'm afraid of. Because it MAY be true, it's very easy to come in here and state it cryptically and watch everyone flip out.

It'd be like getting on a Yankees board in May and posting that Torre was fired.
But this guy has been a member since 2003, why would he be a troll?

[BaltBird 24]

But this guy has been a member since 2003, why would he be a troll?

He might of joined in 2003, but it's not like he's a regular poster.

[The Wedge]

But this guy has been a member since 2003, why would he be a troll?

I don't know. Why would he be a member this long and have THIS be his second post? It can go either way. Like I said, I'll eat my crow if I have to, but whats this wire he's talking about? Nobody else is hearing anything.

[earl]

Wild Bill is right. You can book it.

[The Wedge]

Wild Bill is right. You can book it.

And who are YOU to make it definitive?

[Voice of Reason]

How do you know earl?

[Austin]

Oh great, Wild Bill and Earl, a combined 5 or 6 posts between them, are confirming it. I guess it's settled then. :rolleyes:

[earl]

Respect Wild Bill. He speaks the truth.

[tennOsfan]

Some of you newbies are going to ruin things for future newbies. You may think you're being funny saying that Mazzilli is fired, but this isn't the board to be playing juvenile pranks.

[LuiMatos32]

Wild Bill is right. You can book it.

Can we get a source?

[The Wedge]

Respect Wild Bill. He speaks the truth.

What is this, bad comedy?

I'll respect the facts, thank you very much. And you need WAY more cred before you can just come here, speak cryptic crap, and expect everyone to believe you because you keep saying it.

[orangedive]

Wild Bill is right. You can book it.

Can we get SouthernBird to check IP addresses? Maybe Earl is Wild Bill.

"Einhorn, Finkle---Fickle, Einhorn. Einhorn's a man!"

[bgtimber75]

Me thinks they're both the same person.

[terps817]

So why did he jump offline immediately after the post and getting questioned on it's validity?

[Max Power]

He must be Earl Weaver.

[boogidownoriole]

Can we get SouthernBird to check IP addresses? Maybe Earl is Wild Bill.

"Einhorn, Finkle---Fickle, Einhorn. Einhorn's a man!"

I hope we have 2 fewer members if this isnt true

[The Wedge]

Can we get SouthernBird to check IP addresses? Maybe Earl is Wild Bill.

"Einhorn, Finkle---Fickle, Einhorn. Einhorn's a man!"

My moderator radar (I do it on another forum) had me thinking the same thing.

[Austin]

So why did he jump offline immediately after the post and getting questioned on it's validity?

So he could sign in as earl and back himself up.

[The Wedge]

So why did he jump offline immediately after the post and getting questioned on it's validity?

So he could log on as earl to back himself up? Hrm...could be.

[Mark Carver]

Respect Wild Bill. He speaks the truth.

I'm going to believe you when you joined 07/30/2005 and nothing is on the radio or internet...

[markdublya]

I'm Wild Bill. This is my brother Earl. And this is my other brother Earl.

[JakeeO]

What is this, bad comedy?

I'll respect the facts, thank you very much. And you need WAY more cred before you can just come here, speak cryptic crap, and expect everyone to believe you because you keep saying it.

I read on Orioleshangout.com that Mazilli got the axe, and Perlozzo would replace him.

[Ravens&O's]

If this is not true, which it certainly looks like, this guy needs to be banned. We don't need ridiculous prank threads with all the turmoil going on.

[The Wedge]

I read on Orioleshangout.com that Mazilli got the axe, and Perlozzo would replace him.

Um, is that a joke? We ARE OH.com.

[Wild Bill]

Keep watching the news.

[boogidownoriole]

Um, is that a joke? We ARE OH.com.
Is this April Fools day? :D

[99ct]

Keep watching the news.

Perhaps you work for FOX news or something?

[The Wedge]

Keep watching the news.

Brilliant position. He could be fired in October and you'd come back saying "see, told you to keep watching the news."

[orangedive]

Keep watching the news.

He's back! What news? ESPN News?

Jeremy Roenick was traded. Where's the Mazz news?

[O'sayCanYouSee]

Keep watching the news.
You need to be slapped.

[boogidownoriole]

Keep watching the news.
Wild Bill, I am on the next plane to Ohio coming to kick your butt...spit it out or get out

[The Wedge]

Seriously, Wild Bill, either fess up to how and why you know this, or NOBODY is going to buy this, not even for a second. By this point, nobody may believe you unless it happens anyway. You got inside dirt, you cite a source, hide behind the anonymity the internet provides.

[boogidownoriole]

Brilliant position. He could be fired in October and you'd come back saying "see, told you to keep watching the news."

Thats probably the joke. :rolleyes:

[orangedive]

Perhaps you work for FOX news or something?

What makes you think that? Because he's full of crap? :D

No offense to any and all conservatives.

[EMoMoney]

If this is not true, which it certainly looks like, this guy needs to be banned. We don't need ridiculous prank threads with all the turmoil going on.
Well, in his defense, he simply lit the small campfire. Instead of letting it fizzle out, you all decided to throw gasoline on it, and now we have a 4000 acre wildfire.

[JakeeO]

Um, is that a joke? We ARE OH.com.

I'll let you figure out if it's a a joke...

(Here's a hint... yes)

[Wild Bill]

The information comes from Anaheim

[Mackus]

Can we delete this thread now?

[orioles119]

Well, in his defense, he simply lit the small campfire. Instead of letting it fizzle out, you all decided to throw gasoline on it, and now we have a 4000 acre wildfire.
That's kind of how the OH has been since A.J. Burnett (or is it Bennet?).

[boogidownoriole]

The information comes from Anaheim
Even if you are correct you should be banned for this horsecrap you are pulling

[LuiMatos32]

You, my friend, are a douche-monger!

Is that from the mayor of Anaheim? Or just the city itself?

My thoughts exactly.

[scOtt]

The information comes from Anaheim
Does it REALLY come from Anaheim? Or is it really out of LA? The intrigue just deepens...

[Frobby]

Be right or be banned.

[boogidownoriole]

Tony, you should delete this thread before it crashes the board

[The Wedge]

It comes from Anaheim? That's not what I meant.

You need to identify WHY you know this. Who do you work for, or know, that has this kind of inside dirt WAY before it hits major news wires?

[SouthernBird]

This is a bannable offense........just so you know .

[yeoledugger]

I second this motion. This is obviously a prank.


_____________________________
"No shot. Dog bite. Woof-Woof."
Seinfeld Episode

[The Wedge]

This is a bannable offense........just so you know .

Check his IP with earl, man. Way too fishy there.

[boogidownoriole]

This is a bannable offense........just so you know .
I think he should be banned anyway for playing games like this.

[stockpile]

This looks about as believable as B&F firing themselves in addition to Mazz. :rolleyes:

[jwfarrar]

This looks about as believable as B&F firing themselves in addition to Mazz. :rolleyes:

But it would be reason to celebrate if all 3 went, no? Through in Angelos and have a parade.

[Mackus]

Please, just delete this thread.

If theres any truth to this, which I'm sure theres not, it can be reposted with actual confirmation.

[JohnD]

Keep this thread open.

[boogidownoriole]

What pathetic life must one lead to invest so much time and effort into something like that?
This happens in other boards all the time...lots of idiots with nothing better to do

[ScottieBaseball]

Keep this thread open.

Now John's doing it?!?! What's the scoop, Mr. Domen?!?!

[jwfarrar]

Keep this thread open.

So then this appears to be valid John?

[orangedive]

Keep this thread open.

Whoa! Is there some truth to this?

[terps817]

Keep this thread open.

Uh-oh. Is this a sign?

[earl]

t minus 40 minutes and counting

[boogidownoriole]

t minus 40 minutes and counting
Are you going to assasinate him at 2pm?

[Voice of Reason]

Does that mean it will be announced at 2?

[Frobby]

Keep this thread open.

Hmmmm, NOW I'm getting interested.....do you know something we don't?

[birdsofprey02]

t minus 40 minutes and counting

I'm enjoying this

[O the power]

t minus 40 minutes and counting

So he's being fired at 2:00? What is going on here. This is weird.

[LuiMatos32]

Keep this thread open.

So there is some truth to this?

[orangedive]

Boy, I'm going to feel like a real ass if this is true.

[jwfarrar]

Uh-oh. Is this a sign?

Why Uh-oh? This would be bad?

Pull up a chair, have some popcorn and grab me a beer. This looks like it's gonna be fun. ;)

[Chavez Ravine]

This thread is hilarius.
Remember: that fat man walks alone.

[NewMarketSean]

If Mazzilli is gone and Ponson is still here...

[O the power]

I'm enjoying this

So am I. This is the first time since May I've actually had fun on this board.

[The Wedge]

Boy, I'm going to feel like a real ass if this is true.

I won't. It might be a true, but they went about it the wrong way. John, dont you be cryptic too, what's going on?

[terps817]

Why Uh-oh? This would be bad?

As in wow, this might be real (I still have my doubts even though John will leave it open).

This will bring out all the optimists in a hearbeat.

[Bronco634]

Just another quiet day in the life of an O's fan...

But if SB doesn't have the IP address angle figured out with turbo speed as he normally does;

and John throws out that provocative comment...


Just another quiet day in the life of an O's fan.

[BaltBird 24]

I'm starting to feel all giddy inside..........

[tennOsfan]

What drama!

Could Wild Bill really be Angelos teasing us?

[Hank Scorpio]

Just a matter of time, I guess. Hopefully the blow up the roster, too. It's time to see what Maine can do. Send Ponson on his way, too.

[Duffer]

Was talking to family in LA and they said it is rumored on talk radio to be true but still awaiting official conformation. That's why I looked here to see if it was true?

[Rockbird]

Poor Maz, he never got a fair shot. :(
All the other coaches better be gone too, Crowley should be responsible for the anemic hitting, Trebelhorn needs to be gone for his terrible 3rd base coaching and Dempsey for his difficulty and meddling. All of them except Elrod and Perlozzo if he's going to be the interim manager.

[Chavez Ravine]

What drama!

Could Wild Bill really be Angelos teasing us?

The idea of Angelos on an internet message board just doesn't equate.....unless he had a functionary typying away for him while dining on some fine calamari.

[Optimum O]

Why not can Elrod too? He does nothing for them

[Birds of B'more]

Looks like it's for real

By Roch Kubatko
Sun Staff
Originally published August 4, 2005, 1:55 PM EDT
ANAHEIM, Calif. -- With the Orioles having lost 16 of their last 18 games, manager Lee Mazzilli was fired Thursday morning and replaced on an interim basis by bench coach Sam Perlozzo.

Mazzilli was hired before the 2004 season to replace Mike Hargrove. He went 129-139 in his first stint as a major league manager, including 51-55 this year.

The Orioles are 4-16 since the All-Star break and have fallen 10 1/2 games behind the Boston Red Sox in the AL East. They spent 62 straight days in first place, but currently are in fourth. They're closer to last place than first.

This is the first time majority owner Peter Angelos has fired a manager during the season.

Perlozzo never has managed in the majors, but he was runner-up to Mazzilli during the most recent search.

[Night Owl]

WNST just reported that Mazzilli had been fired and Sam Perlosso was named to replace him.

[Optimum O]

It's 2PM...do you know where your beleagured manager is?

[drarray]

Hey Earl----

GREAT PICK UP, any insights into tonight's LOTTO numbers??

You are the man!

[ocff6]

Wild Bill is the man!

[BaltBird 24]

Orioles Fire Manager Lee Mazzilli, Sam Perlozzo Named Interim Manager, as reported on the Hangout.

Thank God............. even though I didn't feel that Mazzilli was the main problem.

[jwfarrar]

Sporting News Radio on XM is apparently reported. Now WTEM is reporting it to.

[orangedive]

ESPN News just reported it, too. I guess Wild Bill/Earl was right. My apologies, but he/they could have been less vague.

[The Wedge]

Here I am, officially eating crow. Sorry Wild Bill.

However, I stand by what I said about doing it the right way and the wrong way.

[scOtt]

This thread is hilarius.
Remember: that fat man walks alone.
Man walking alone... (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/if6was9/WalkingMan.gif)

[tennOsfan]

Does this mean we have to apologize to Wild Bill/Earl?

[tennOsfan]

What a week this has been for an Oriole fan. A bad week at that.

I feel bad for Mazz, but the results just weren't there. His ability to handle this team wasn't going to improve. I hope he gets another chance somewhere someday.

[johnnyb]

I think it was time for him to go, but I am not as happy as I thought I would be.

[Wild Bill]

No apologies needed, I'm not Earl though. Don't ban me as I enjoy this board and will provide other tidbits on occasion.

[BaltBird 24]

When do we get more competent GMs?

[ChipTait]

Waht does this do for the rest of the season and next year?

Miller said he leaves if Mazz is gone...

We have no manager, and the GMs' contracts expire as well...

oh, well.

April and May were so much fun; now it is back to being laughingstocks.

[johnnyb]

I would be happy with A competent GM, two is unnecessary.

[Max Power]

Not that I like to see a manager fired but if it was certain he wasnt coming back this is the right thing to do.

Hopefully this will help the team's return to playing some respectable baseball.


For everyone who was complaining about Wild Bill/Earl I hope you all just shut up next time. We have the benefit of having several members with sources but I doubt they'll post stuff if they are going to be subject to ridicule and the other nonsense that started this thread. Next time give the story some time to develop and since it doesnt take long to expose someone who is full of it.

[jeffmantoformvp]

Adios, Lee.

Hello Sammy!

[birdsofprey02]

from Baltimoresun.com

Interesting details on Burnett deal.

Angelos looked at the proposed A.J. Burnett/Mike Lowell package from the Florida Marlins and found about 60 million reasons not to like it. That's how many dollars it would have cost to sign Burnett and pay the remainder of Lowell's contract.

It also may have been the only way for the Orioles to stay in the hunt for a playoff berth ... but they passed.

Mazzilli didn't say a word, though he is believed to have been strongly in favor of the deal. He has never publicly aired any discontent over the way this flawed team has been put together.

[q4444]

I hope a couple of you feel about two feet tall now. Some of you have a lot to learn, that you aren't all experts.

[Birds of B'more]

I still think Beattie goes and Flanagan stays.........but since they both were the ones who convinced PA to hire Maz, maybe Pete dumps them both and begins yet another 5-year plan.

[srh523]

Just read this whole thread you guys are to much you torched this poor guy...and I think it is official Will Bill is Will Peter "Bill" Angelos. How else could he have known this? He didnt need a source he is the source!

[jwfarrar]

Here I am, officially eating crow. Sorry Wild Bill.

However, I stand by what I said about doing it the right way and the wrong way.

Well, sometimes all you hear are rumors and maybe that is all he had. But, once again, OH breaks the news before the big guys. Next post Wild Bill makes I imagine will get less scrutiny.

[Mark Carver]

I would be happy with A competent GM, two is unnecessary.


When do we get more competent GMs?

It would be nice to allow the GM(s) actually do their job...

[jeffmantoformvp]

Haha, where were you at the deadline, Wild Bill? Cheers buddy!

[The Wedge]

I hope a couple of you feel about two feet tall now. Some of you have a lot to learn, that you aren't all experts.

It's not what you say, but how you say it. Just like the problems we had with you with the autograph thing, and the Harry Potter thing. Right way of going about things and a wrong way. For instance, I said I'd eat crow and apologize, and that's exactly what I did the first chance I could.

Sorry to hear I drive you insane, though. Really crushes me.

[scOtt]

I hope a couple of you feel about two feet tall now. Some of you have a lot to learn, that you aren't all experts.
You and Max. So easy to accuse, now. Guy comes on and offers NO proof and we're just supposed to swallow it? I don't know about you, but I like even a RUMOR of truth first... even just an "I know a guy in the organization." Something.

[yuds]

For everyone who was complaining about Wild Bill/Earl I hope you all just shut up next time. We have the benefit of having several members with sources but I doubt they'll post stuff if they are going to be subject to ridicule and the other nonsense that started this thread. Next time give the story some time to develop and since it doesnt take long to expose someone who is full of it.

Hear hear! Couldn't have said it better myself.

Guys, it's just a message board. Even if it is a troll, who cares!? No need to get so aggressive.

[jwfarrar]

Just read this whole thread you guys are to much you torched this poor guy...and I think it is official Will Bill is Will Peter "Bill" Angelos. How else could he have known this? He didnt need a source he is the source!

Yeah, that seems to happen everytime the big news is breaking even if it comes from OHers with great reps.

[Jagwar]

Holy Crap... I go to lunch, and this place absolutely erupts

I don't think Mazz was to blame, but firing him is an immediate way to announce to everyone that there is extreme disappointment with the way the team is playing. The O's got everyone healthy, and things didnt improve... in fact the team seems to be playing its worse baseball in years.

[sports hunter]

I really hope Mazz blasts Angelos in an interview.

[Birds of B'more]

Well, sometimes all you hear are rumors and maybe that is all he had. But, once again, OH breaks the news before the big guys. Next post Wild Bill makes I imagine will get less scrutiny.

Very true; however, he might have been better received if he at least said that it is only a rumor or if it is true where he heard it from, even if he couldn't provide a link to the source. It was done in a sort of hit-and-run style that tends to make people suspicious.

[DoobyDoo]

Well, we have another thread to put in the Classic Hangout Threads board. Anyways, I don't mind Mazz being fired. However, I think Crowley is the one who needs to be fired more than anyone else on this team.

[Max Power]

You and Max. So easy to accuse, now. Guy comes on and offers NO proof and we're just supposed to swallow it? I don't know about you, but I like even a RUMOR of truth first... even just an "I know a guy in the organization." Something.
I'm not saying anyone needed to believe anything he said but you should at least give the rumor some time. Throwaway comments and jokes were fine because he was rather cryptic but I thought bashing the poster as a troll and the other personal nonsense was completely out of line.

[earl]

Hopefully this teaches some of you smug old-timers that new-timers sometimes know what they are talking about. Put otherwise, don't judge posters by the quantity of their posts.

[sports hunter]

I really hope Mazz blasts Angelos in an interview.

[srh523]

You all are missing the point. I am telling you he is the source.....wild bill=PA and Earl=B&F.

[q4444]

Hopefully this teaches some of you smug old-timers that new-timers sometimes know what they are talking about. Put otherwise, don't judge posters by the quantity of their posts.

Thank you. Hopefully some learned their lessons. Doubtful, though. Some here pride themselves in acting like a jerk.

[The Wedge]

Hopefully this teaches some of you smug old-timers that new-timers sometimes know what they are talking about. Put otherwise, don't judge posters by the quantity of their posts.

Yes, but you do realize just how fishy it looks if somebody who doesn't post just breaks HUGE news like this with absolutely no back up at all? Even saying 'I'm sorry, I can't cite my source, just trust me' would have went a long way instead of the intentionally cryptic comments.

[tennOsfan]

Hopefully this teaches some of you smug old-timers that new-timers sometimes know what they are talking about. Put otherwise, don't judge posters by the quantity of their posts.

Yes sir, Mr. Angelos.

[scOtt]

Hopefully this teaches some of you smug old-timers that new-timers sometimes know what they are talking about. Put otherwise, don't judge posters by the quantity of their posts.
Did I say quantity? I was talking about quality. "Beacause I said so" is not proof.

I'm outta here...

[Lovin'Brian]

I just heard it on the radio

[The Wedge]

Thank you. Hopefully some learned their lessons. Doubtful, though. Some here pride themselves in acting like a jerk.

Don't get too high and mighty, as I pointed out, you've acted the jerk plenty. I was willing to let that go since you seemed to, but now, no, not so much.

[q4444]

It's not what you say, but how you say it. Just like the problems we had with you with the autograph thing, and the Harry Potter thing. Right way of going about things and a wrong way. For instance, I said I'd eat crow and apologize, and that's exactly what I did the first chance I could.

Sorry to hear I drive you insane, though. Really crushes me.
Well pal, just like you say the way I say things is wrong, it's my opinion that the way you say just about everything is wrong.

[Chavez Ravine]

I still think Beattie goes and Flanagan stays.........but since they both were the ones who convinced PA to hire Maz, maybe Pete dumps them both and begins yet another 5-year plan.
...or sells it. I have generally been of the opinion that while Angelos has many flaws he does have a few good qualities (like a clear loyalty to B'more)….and he didn't seem that egregiously bad relative to most of the other egomaniacal freaks who own professional sports teams. But I now think that new ownership is the only way to fix this creaky organization. .....errr no offense Earl or WIld Bill...in case you are Mr. Angelos.

[Mark Carver]

Thank you. Hopefully some learned their lessons. Doubtful, though. Some here pride themselves in acting like a jerk.

So a guy (earl) signs up on 07/30/2005 and comes on here and say that Mazzilli is fired on the 5th day he signed upm and we are to believe him because he said so? Without an even a... I have a friend of a firend of a friend that works in the warehouse...

[UF_Oriole]

This is defintely a classic thread. One of favorites indeed. All of the exicted banter, then the questioning of the source..the drama, the excitement, the breaking news.....

Good stuff, no no, great stuff!

[srh523]

Finally Tony and friends are getting their props...PA and B&F have learned that the OH is the only place to leak breaking news to die hard fans and have begun posting! Welcome aboard to the FO.

[Lovin'Brian]

I realize that I'm basically new here! I read about this on the O's message board and decided to come over! As I got here...the radio said "that there are reports that the Orioles have fired Mazzilli" It was 101.9

[Cheery O's]

This was inevitable. With all the bad press the Orioles have been getting, they needed to do something big to turn attention away from Raffy and the losing streak. Maybe what happened to the Marlins in 2003 will happen to us, this is almost exactly what happened to them and the won the World Series. Plus, I've wanted Perlozzo as the manager the whole time, he's finally getting his chance and well, he can't do much worse than what's been happening. GO O'S!

[centralpaosfan]

LOL!!! This is perfect!! Myself and some others have been saying on here for months how ridiculous these guys treat other posters. You are immediately called names such as troll, threatened to be banned, etc. It is a gang mentality with some people on here usually lead by Wedge. Then when they are clearly wrong they give a vailed apology backed by .....but he didn't go about it the right way. What????? The guy found out some info., proved to you that you aren't the know it all that you think you are and you can't be a man and admit it and just leave it at that. I think Wedge, and the other cronies he pulled in should be banned for a while for their behavior.

[BigSteve]

First off, kudos to Wild Bill. Who's your source (I'm sure you can't tell us that...but it's worth a try :) ).

Anyway, I don't like this move. I'll admit that I was never enamored with Maz as a tactician. I thought that he had little clue how to manage a bullpen and was very reluctant to play small ball sespite the team's recent struggles. However, I thought that he should have been, at the very least, allowed to complete the season. If they didn't want to bring him back in '06, I'd understand that. But this just adds to the turmoil for the rest of the season. I have no false notions that we're still in contention, but I'm afraid that this move will send us into a death spiral. I hope I'm wrong.

[The Wedge]

Well pal, just like you say the way I say things is wrong, it's my opinion that the way you say just about everything is wrong.

Well, paaaaaaaaaal, I'd take your opinion greater if you weren't in the minority, and you hadn't pissed off numerous posters with your antics before in two different threads where you came off like a big jackass. I'm sorry I rub you the wrong way, but I guess the feeling is entirely mutual. Ignore me for all I care, and I mean that in the sense of using the ignore function.

[srh523]

I think before anyone on here calls for another poster to be banned they should atleast pay the rather large price of atleast becoming a plus member. Then call for all the heads you want.

[Ravens&O's]

I'm afraid that this move will send us into a death spiral.

If we're not already in a death spiral I'd hate to see what one looks like :eek:

[The Wedge]

LOL!!! This is perfect!! Myself and some others have been saying on here for months how ridiculous these guys treat other posters. You are immediately called names such as troll, threatened to be banned, etc. It is a gang mentality with some people on here usually lead by Wedge. Then when they are clearly wrong they give a vailed apology backed by .....but he didn't go about it the right way. What????? The guy found out some info., proved to you that you aren't the know it all that you think you are and you can't be a man and admit it and just leave it at that. I think Wedge, and the other cronies he pulled in should be banned for a while for their behavior.

Lead by me? WTF? My cronies? That's ridiculous.

But fine, whatever, ban me for a few days because I'm a cynic and didn't automatically buy in to cryptic news posted by someone without any cred. NOW they have cred, but would it have killed them to at least tell us to hold tight, they couldn't reveal any more untill later?

[sports hunter]

Does this mean Ray Miller will leave after the season?

[EMoMoney]

This is the best thread ever.

[BaltBird 24]

I'll take Mazzone since he and Perlozzo are close.

[geschinger]

I'll take Mazzone since he and Perlozzo are close.

Aint gonna happen... Hopefully the team will be respectable down the stretch and they'll do the right thing in the off-season and bring in a new manager and all new coaches. Perlozzo will have no more success than Maz did long term as long as the likes of Crowley, Dempsey, etc... are still around.

[birdsofprey02]

My Uncle just told me he was listening to the game on the radio and they said that Beattie brought Mazzilli into an office this morning and Mazzilli didn't seem to optimistic about keeping his job so he gave him the boot.

[bware]

I'll take Mazzone since he and Perlozzo are close.

I haven't read the entire thread so please forgive me if this has already been posted.

http://www.times-news.com/articles/2004/12/02/sections/regional_sports/sports61.txt


Only one other aspiration

In attendance that day in Baltimore was Mazzone's best friend, Cumberland's Sam Perlozzo, the Orioles bench coach. Because of the friendship the two share, Mazzone keeps a close eye on the Orioles, who finished third in the American League East last year, marking the first time since 1997 they finished higher than fourth. The Orioles, however, have not had a winning season since 1997.

"If they get any kind of pitching at all," Mazzone said, "they are a team to be reckoned with, no question about it."

With Camp Leo XV, the pre-spring training camp Mazzone conducts for Braves pitchers set for the first week of February, the former Bruce High School lefthander will follow the Hot Stove league closely in anticipation of what the 2005 season holds for the Braves. Widely recognized as the best pitching coach in baseball, Mazzone, who last year authored a book, "Tales from the Braves Mound," says he's content with his station in life coaching the Braves' pitchers.

"Absolutely," he said. "What would I do if I wasn't going to the ballpark every day? I love it as much now as I did when I was nine-years-old. Maybe more."

A successful manager in the minor leagues, Mazzone says he has no aspirations to manage in the big leagues.

"No way," he said. "My only other aspiration is to be Sam's pitching coach. After that, we'll be done."

The time for Perlozzo, who has interviewed for the Seattle Mariners job as well as the Orioles' position twice, to manage in the big leagues is drawing near, according to Mazzone.

"It's going to happen," he said. "There is no doubt in my mind or the minds of anybody in the big leagues. Sam is going to be a manager, and a (darn) good one at that. And like I said, I'll be his pitching coach, and after that? We'll be done."

[The Wedge]

My Uncle just told me he was listening to the game on the radio and they said that Beattie brought Mazzilli into an office this morning and Mazzilli didn't seem to optimistic about keeping his job so he gave him the boot.

Could be, but according to a JFK interview with Bill Stetka, they informed Perlozzo last night, or at least told him to "be prepared."

[yuds]

I'll take Mazzone since he and Perlozzo are close.

Stop coming around here with that BS. Come back when you have 60 million posts and have been around for at least a decade. Until then I'm not listening to a word you say. You TROLL.

[casadeozo]

alll true

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-os0804,1,2799554.story?coll=bal-sports-baseball

[The Wedge]

Stop coming around here with that BS. Come back when you have 60 million posts and have been around for at least a decade. Until then I'm not listening to a word you say. You TROLL.

Look, this is a community. What happened amounts to a bunch of us who know each to varying degrees sitting in a room, and a complete stranger walking in, and saying "Mazillis fired." Then just standing there. When we ask him how he knows, or who he is, or any of that, he just stands there and says "just watch the news."

Yes, this is Just The Internet (standard excuse) but when you develop a community, which this is, it even says that at the top there, it acts like any other human community. New persons can't just barge right in to it.

[mgable26]

why can't we be friends. Group Hug. I am a newbie here, and i don't want to make any enemies, but a little respect can go a long way.

[The Wedge]

why can't we be friends. Group Hug. I am a newbie here, and i don't want to make any enemies, but a little respect can go a long way.

I like your attitude, and the cut of your jib. And your signature. Is that Mitch Hedberg?

[wvubean]

Never posted before but have observed this site and the forums for the last couple years, and I have think that next time this guy who gave you all a brief bit of inside info will think twice about it next time. Guess you guys that tore him apart can just wait for ESPN to run this kind of news next time. I've never been to a message board (and I frequent about 10 or so) where people have berated someone giving inside info. Whether its confirmed or not, just ignore it if you don't believe it or think its BS. I guess what they say is true: Internet + anonymity = Jackarse.

[yuds]

Never posted before but have observed this site and the forums for the last couple years, and I have think that next time this guy who gave you all a brief bit of inside info will think twice about it next time. Guess you guys that tore him apart can just wait for ESPN to run this kind of news next time. I've never been to a message board (and I frequent about 10 or so) where people have berated someone giving inside info. Whether its confirmed or not, just ignore it if you don't believe it or think its BS. I guess what they say is true: Internet + anonymity = Jackarse.

Come back and say that when you have 6 bajillion posts!

[Max Power]

Yuds is on fire today.

[Joe Orsulak Fan]

I like your attitude, and the cut of your jib. And your signature. Is that Mitch Hedberg?

What's a jib? :)

[The Wedge]

Never posted before but have observed this site and the forums for the last couple years, and I have think that next time this guy who gave you all a brief bit of inside info will think twice about it next time. Guess you guys that tore him apart can just wait for ESPN to run this kind of news next time. I've never been to a message board (and I frequent about 10 or so) where people have berated someone giving inside info. Whether its confirmed or not, just ignore it if you don't believe it or think its BS. I guess what they say is true: Internet + anonymity = Jackarse.

Welcome.

He didn't even say he had inside info, though. If he did, it would have been more than what he gave us? Were we harsh? In hindsight, yes, because he was right. And I, and others, apologized for that. But at the same time, that was huge news, and you can't just dangle that in front of us and don't throw us any other bones about it.

[The Wedge]

Come back and say that when you have 6 bajillion posts!

Ok, we got it, man, Come on.

[Hank Scorpio]

I like your attitude, and the cut of your jib. And your signature. Is that Mitch Hedberg?

I THINK that's from a Simpsons episode.

[Frobby]

I don't mind people posting their inside knowledge here, even if they aren't comfortable explaining their sources. Just as long as they are right. It was really fun waiting for the 2 p.m. announcement to see if this was for real or not. It's things like this that make the Hangout so much fun.

[The Wedge]

What's a jib? :)

I do believe, though I'm not entirely certain, that it's a type of sail. Anybody know for sure? I just like that expression.

[tennOsfan]

Never posted before but have observed this site and the forums for the last couple years, and I have think that next time this guy who gave you all a brief bit of inside info will think twice about it next time. Guess you guys that tore him apart can just wait for ESPN to run this kind of news next time. I've never been to a message board (and I frequent about 10 or so) where people have berated someone giving inside info. Whether its confirmed or not, just ignore it if you don't believe it or think its BS. I guess what they say is true: Internet + anonymity = Jackarse.

I cannot believe how we're being attacked for questioning the initial post. The guy wouldn't give any basis for what he was saying and sounded like a complete troll. We don't allow trolls here, and thank goodness for that, or we'd have 20+ false rumors posted a day by pranksters. So we're not supposed to get mad if a rumor sounds/looks false? I'm sorry, but this thread began like a prank and many people reacted appropriately. Only when John posted did it sound like this firing might happen. Come to find out, it wasn't a prank, which makes it an interesting case study of "pie on your face."

[yuds]

Yuds is on fire today.

As are you my good man.

[mgable26]

a shortened version of a Genoa, the forward sail on a boat

[The Wedge]

Also, in our defense here, I'd like to point out this post, halfway through the kerfuffle:


This is a bannable offense........just so you know .

[mgable26]

a shortened version of a Genoa, the forward sail on a boat
sorry, forgot the quote, that's what a jib is

[wvubean]

I cannot believe how we're being attacked for questioning the initial post. The guy wouldn't give any basis for what he was saying and sounded like a complete troll. We don't allow trolls here, and thank goodness for that, or we'd have 20+ false rumors posted a day by pranksters. So we're not supposed to get mad if a rumor sounds/looks false? I'm sorry, but this thread began like a prank and many people reacted appropriately. Only when John posted did it sound like this firing might happen. Come to find out, it wasn't a prank, which makes it an interesting case study of "pie on your face."


Maybe that was the problem. Some turned this into a prank and everyone jumped on the bandwagon. Even if it was untrue, there could have been some debate about the pros/cons of such a move by the O's rather than tearing down someone because they didn't have a web source, which was probably because they didn't have one. They were either right there or linked to someone who was, and couldn't give much more info due to risk of losing this link.

[Joe Orsulak Fan]

I do believe, though I'm not entirely certain, that it's a type of sail. Anybody know for sure? I just like that expression.

Oh, it's a fantastic expression, especially when uttered by C. Montgomery Burns. Doesn't matter what it means. I'll use it to the death. :)

[The Wedge]

Maybe that was the problem. Some turned this into a prank and everyone jumped on the bandwagon. Even if it was untrue, there could have been some debate about the pros/cons of such a move by the O's rather than tearing down someone because they didn't have a web source, which was probably because they didn't have one. They were either right there or linked to someone who was, and couldn't give much more info due to risk of losing this link.

Even if they couldn't give a source, which was obvious now that they couldn't (it looked that way from the first post that they had some wire news source that it hit), they could have at least introduced themselves somehow, even if it was a completely anonymous "I'm someone on the inside, and this is about to go down, stay tuned."

[Max Power]

I cannot believe how we're being attacked for questioning the initial post. The guy wouldn't give any basis for what he was saying and sounded like a complete troll. We don't allow trolls here, and thank goodness for that, or we'd have 20+ false rumors posted a day by pranksters. So we're not supposed to get mad if a rumor sounds/looks false? I'm sorry, but this thread began like a prank and many people reacted appropriately. Only when John posted did it sound like this firing might happen. Come to find out, it wasn't a prank, which makes it an interesting case study of "pie on your face."
I'd call it a lot more of a shameful display then an interesting case study.

Questioning is one thing and that was fine given his limited history and vague comments. If he was full of crap John would have checked with his sources and the post deleted and the issue would have been dead. However, calling the poster a douche-monger and troll while threatening to spit on, beat up, or ban him even if correct was way over the line and totally indefensible.

[The Wedge]

I'd call it a lot more of a shameful display then an interesting case study.

Questioning is one thing and that was fine given his limited history and vague comments. If he was full of crap John would have checked with his sources and the post deleted and the issue would have been dead. However, calling the poster a douche-monger and troll while threatening to spit on, beat up, or ban him even if correct was way over the line and totally indefensible.

Well, I'm guilty in my very first post of calling "troll," however, I'd like to point out that I also said I'd eat crow if that wasn't the case. And I did apologize. Everything else was borne of frustration because if this was true (which it obviously was, but we didn't know that at the time) it was huge, and if it wasn't true, it was a horrible thing to do to us, especially since we all jumped all over the news like rabid dogs to a steak.

[Gibby]

I'd call it a lot more of a shameful display then an interesting case study.

Questioning is one thing and that was fine given his limited history and vague comments. If he was full of crap John would have checked with his sources and the post deleted and the issue would have been dead. However, calling the poster a douche-monger and troll while threatening to spit on, beat up, or ban him even if correct was way over the line and totally indefensible.


Exactly, I never really understood why people feel such a need to call others out and defend their mesage board turf. Let the mods handle it. (I'll end my piling on now)

But, I love this move. I feel bad for Mazz, but this team needed a spark and Mazz just looked defeated over these past few weeks.

[Wingman]

The best part about this whole thing (for me) is about 30 min ago, I was finishing up work so I wanted to check out the Hangout before heading home and to my surprise, the site wouldn't load... So I said to myself "Uh Oh, I wonder what's happening with the O's (that would make the Hangout so busy that it won't load)??? I immediately clicked over to ESPN.com and sure enough, there the headlind "Breaking News, Mazzilli fired by O's"

It was too funny...

Gotta love the Hangout... :-)

[boogidownoriole]

Please, for every thousand false troll posts there is one real one. This one happened to be real, and even though it was real it was done like a troll.
In the end this does become a classic thread.
By the way, I was listening to Olney on ESPN and he said scouts around the league said he was NOT a good manager, despite all the problems with his coaches.

[Ross]

cry cry cry. This is a MESSAGE BOARD PEOPLE! He didnt have to come in here and tell everyone. I doubt he will be coming back to leak any more info. as im sure he didnt enjoy being bashed by all you cool guys with thousands of posts. OMG someone with a few posts knows something we dont, lets bash him and ban him. Grow up. And who really cares about trolls. Do they hurt your feelings or something

[wvubean]

Even if they couldn't give a source, which was obvious now that they couldn't (it looked that way from the first post that they had some wire news source that it hit), they could have at least introduced themselves somehow, even if it was a completely anonymous "I'm someone on the inside, and this is about to go down, stay tuned."


Well then it would have been confirmed from within, and someone might have lost there job due to an investigation. Now it just looks like a leak maybe or something, maybe a coincidence :) Who knows

[The Wedge]

cry cry cry. This is a MESSAGE BOARD PEOPLE! He didnt have to come in here and tell everyone. I doubt he will be coming back to leak any more info. as im sure he didnt enjoy being bashed by all you cool guys with thousands of posts. OMG someone with a few posts knows something we dont, lets bash him and ban him. Grow up.

I said this elsewhere, but here it is again: We are a community. Just because it's an internet community doesn't make it any less viable. What happened today was essentially if a bunch of us were sitting in a room. We all know each other to varying degrees. Then, a complete stranger comes in, shouts that Mazilli is fired, then refuses to answer any questions we all have, including "who are you, how do you know this, where'd you find out," etc. Then some other complete stranger comes in and backs it up, and also doesn't answer said questions. You see how frustrating that could be to people in this community?

You know, I think there's a reason why Tony has the "new posters, introduce yourself" rule.

[The Wedge]

Well then it would have been confirmed from within, and someone might have lost there job due to an investigation. Now it just looks like a leak maybe or something, maybe a coincidence :) Who knows

Unless the person gives out names, I doubt they'd be caught. Heck, I would have probably backed off if they had said "I can't say who I am or how i know, but within the hour the story will break, stay tuned." It would have been cryptic but it least acknowledges the fact that we really have no reason to trust them right out of the gate.

[wvubean]

Needless to say I hope this move spurs the O's to turning the corner on this freefall. Ever since my dad swithched to being a Nats fan its been unbearable :confused:

[The Wedge]

Needless to say I hope this move spurs the O's to turning the corner on this freefall. Ever since my dad swithched to being a Nats fan its been unbearable :confused:

Ouch. Was he always an O's fan prior to that? Because that would be extra ouchy.

[orangedive]

However, calling the poster a douche-monger and troll while threatening to spit on, beat up, or ban him even if correct was way over the line and totally indefensible.

I'm the one who clled him a douche-monger. It was not meant to injure or offend--it was a joke. I apologized for doubting the poster, but it was pretty clear to me that he was trying to rile people up by being vague and then saying an hour later, "I told you so."

You can't bring news like that and say, "I heard it on the wire" and then disappear. Even if the post was innocent and not intended to get posters (who are very sensitive during a very trying time for the O's right now) fired up, it is still excusable for peopel to question him. We questioned him, he gave us more cryptic posts and we called him out for it.

This thread has gone on too long with back and forth. The people who called out the poster have apologized. What else should we do?

I've said this already, but all he would have had to do was say, "I heard it from a solid source, but I can't reveal it." That's it. And none of this would have happened.

[mgable26]

[QUOTE=wvubean]Needless to say I hope this move spurs the O's to turning the corner on this freefall. QUOTE]

they are up 4-1, could this be? wait, wait...

[boogidownoriole]

cry cry cry. This is a MESSAGE BOARD PEOPLE! He didnt have to come in here and tell everyone. I doubt he will be coming back to leak any more info. as im sure he didnt enjoy being bashed by all you cool guys with thousands of posts. OMG someone with a few posts knows something we dont, lets bash him and ban him. Grow up. And who really cares about trolls. Do they hurt your feelings or something
YOu are kidding, right? Thats exactly what we wanted by being cryptic and that is to be not believed to be thrashed and then for everyone to apologize. He got exactly what he wanted.
Tony has banned dozens of trolls since the trading deadline thing so dont think everyone is so innocent.

[wvubean]

Ouch. Was he always an O's fan prior to that? Because that would be extra ouchy.


He was a senators fan as a kid, and an O's fan since they left DC, so he was an O's fan for quite some time. I think the O's poor showing for the last 10 years or so had an impact on him. Being Redskins and O's fans the last 10 years hasn't been easy.

[Gibby]

Wedge - I'm thinking you might just have to give up your defense and take your beatings from all of the self-righteous posters (such as myself four posts ago) :)

[boogidownoriole]

I'd call it a lot more of a shameful display then an interesting case study.

Questioning is one thing and that was fine given his limited history and vague comments. If he was full of crap John would have checked with his sources and the post deleted and the issue would have been dead. However, calling the poster a douche-monger and troll while threatening to spit on, beat up, or ban him even if correct was way over the line and totally indefensible.

I am the one that said I will beat him up and it was clearly a joke. I am also the one that said give him a chance it could be real. And I am the one that said to have him banned either way. For the latter I apologize. ;)

[Mashed Potatoes]

sorry, forgot the quote, that's what a jib is

I could be wrong but I believe that a jib is an old wooden ship, used in the civil war era

[orangedive]

I am the one that said I will beat him up and it was clearly a joke. I am also the one that said give him a chance it could be real.

I think all of us who were bashing him said the same thing. We said if he was right, we'd apologize, and we did. Let's move on.

[The Wedge]

He was a senators fan as a kid, and an O's fan since they left DC, so he was an O's fan for quite some time. I think the O's poor showing for the last 10 years or so had an impact on him. Being Redskins and O's fans the last 10 years hasn't been easy.

Yeah, that makes some sense. Kudos to you for hanging tough, though.

Gibby, you're probably right. We're all being self righteous a bit, aren't we? I think I'm just a bit miffed because it was suggested that I'm somehow this ringleader of newbie bashing. I don't see it, not to mention that is pretty insulting to everyone else who felt the same way I did. It's not like I gathered them all together and said "we gotta get this guy."

Edit: Also, as a show of good faith, I pos repped him for his original post, because the guy was right. Cryptic, and frustrating about it ;) but dead on right.

[yuds]

I could be wrong but I believe that a jib is an old wooden ship, used in the civil war era

Anchorman, top movie.

[mgable26]

I could be wrong but I believe that a jib is an old wooden ship, used in the civil war era
A Jib is the Forward sail on a Sloop rigged sailboat. It is attached to the forestay and is called a Genoa if it extends past the mast and a Jib if it stops forward of the mast. Could be the name of an old ship, but the common use of Jib is the forward sail. It's the gas pedal, where the main sail controls stead movement and the heal of the ship.

[StevarinO]

Here's an interesting tidbit:


Players recently voiced displeasure with Mazzilli in private, and according to a club source, shortstop Miguel Tejada, once a big Mazzilli supporter, called a team meeting and said the team would have to win despite Mazzilli.

link (http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20050804&content_id=1157627&vkey=news_bal&fext=.jsp&c_id=bal)

[Max Power]

Show of good faith? Everyone should give that guy rep points for beating the announcement and national media by almost an hour and a half. That was probably the greatest post in the history of the Hangout and definitely the biggest story that has broken here.

[wvubean]

:)
Yeah, that makes some sense. Kudos to you for hanging tough, though.

Gibby, you're probably right. We're all being self righteous a bit, aren't we? I think I'm just a bit miffed because it was suggested that I'm somehow this ringleader of newbie bashing. I don't see it, not to mention that is pretty insulting to everyone else who felt the same way I did. It's not like I gathered them all together and said "we gotta get this guy."

Edit: Also, as a show of good faith, I pos repped him for his original post, because the guy was right. Cryptic, and frustrating about it ;) but dead on right.


If you don't like cryptic posts never go to a college sports forum. Thats all I ever see at my chosen site (look at my name and guess which one it is :) ) But when I get that info on a recruit or players a few hours before it hits the major news sites, I feel some sort of satisfaction.

[The Wedge]

Show of good faith? Everyone should give that guy rep points for beating the announcement and national media by almost an hour and a half. That was probably the greatest post in the history of the Hangout and definitely the biggest story that has broken here.\

Good faith on MY part. Trying to atone here, come ooooooon! ;)

[orangedive]

Here's an interesting tidbit:



link (http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20050804&content_id=1157627&vkey=news_bal&fext=.jsp&c_id=bal)

Thanks for the link. This is quite interesting. I think it's a goal of the FO to keep Miggy happy. I'm going to be positive about this move.

[Mashed Potatoes]

sorry, didn't get the joke. havent seen the movie. sorry to be a know it all. I work in the sailing industry, that's all

HAHA, that was the highlight of my day. Honestly though please see Anchorman because it will be the highlight of your year.

[boogidownoriole]

Show of good faith? Everyone should give that guy rep points for beating the announcement and national media by almost an hour and a half. That was probably the greatest post in the history of the Hangout and definitely the biggest story that has broken here.

Good point, he may have more than SportsGuy by the end of the day :D

[Ross]

Needless to say I hope this move spurs the O's to turning the corner on this freefall.

they are up 4-1, could this be? wait, wait...


yes I hope this is the BIG turn around. I could only imagine that we can only get better from this losing 16 of our last 18. I dont know much about sam but hopefuly he has a plan of his own to turn this thing around.

[cindyluvsbrady]

Another Shock. :eek: Im old..this is hard for me. I wonder who the new real manager will be! :confused:

[Orangeandblack]

Way to stick it to em Wild Bill!!! I love it! Nice scoop, and thanks for the heads up!

[Elbren]

No apologies needed, I'm not Earl though. Don't ban me as I enjoy this board and will provide other tidbits on occasion.

My 2 cents?

Earl = Beattie
Wild Bill = Flanagan

:D

[orangedive]

Way to stick it to em Wild Bill!!! I love it! Nice scoop, and thanks for the heads up!

Welcome to the board.

[Orangeandblack]

Thanks, been on the board for years, just never signed up and posted

[robbiec01]

I would have been in favor of retaining Mazz due to the Ray Miller and continuity argument. But with the tailspin and the total inability to inspire the team, something had to be done.

Hopefully Perolozzo works out and we do not have to have turmoil in the offseason. I do not blame PA or the front office.

NOW unload KLINE NOW!! and send Ponson and Beattie too...

[peter snees]

Firing a manager is the last, most desperate move you can make. I now say we finish fourth. And our suffering continues into the next couple of years. I would have been happier if the front office had been extended at the same time. If we have a new GM come November, there will be noy joy in Camden Yards for quite a few years.

I'm not happy about this. And I won't hesitate to blame all the OH people who have questioned every single move the poor guy made in his brief tenure as Orioles manager. As Roberts pointed out, his players let him down, but you jackals never stopped baying for his blood. I hope you're proud of yourselves now.

And it's too bad that Mazz and people who think he's a decent guy can't watch you do your jobs and militate for you to get fired when you screw up.

[birdsofprey02]

My 2 cents?

Earl = Beattie
Wild Bill = Flanagan

:D

man I was thinking the same thing. The moderators can actually look at the IP addresses and be able to tell where the posters came from. I'd say out in Anaheim.

[Tony-OH]

Here I am, officially eating crow. Sorry Wild Bill.

However, I stand by what I said about doing it the right way and the wrong way.
What way is that?

Let me make this very clear, there are a lot or lurkers on this board that are very "in the know". Your behavior and the behavior of a few others on here was pretty bad in this thread. I can understand you guys being a little skeptical, but you need to realize who reads this board and who posts early inside information just might be the guy with 1 or two posts.

By all means question it, but some of you went as far to call the guy names before it came out to be true. Ridiculous.

Do not chase away people with a few posts but you never know who they really may be. Obviously false rumors is banable offense so let it run it's course without getting personal.

BTW, this thread is not just at Wedge but a few others who acted disrespectful. I'm not sure why some of you don't seem to realize why this type of information hits this board first. It's not by accident.

[BigSteve]

If we're not already in a death spiral I'd hate to see what one looks like :eek:

Heh. We have 56 games to go. I'm just hoping we don't finish 10-46 or something.

[Cokeman]

I cannot believe how we're being attacked for questioning the initial post. The guy wouldn't give any basis for what he was saying and sounded like a complete troll. We don't allow trolls here, and thank goodness for that, or we'd have 20+ false rumors posted a day by pranksters. So we're not supposed to get mad if a rumor sounds/looks false? I'm sorry, but this thread began like a prank and many people reacted appropriately. Only when John posted did it sound like this firing might happen. Come to find out, it wasn't a prank, which makes it an interesting case study of "pie on your face."

I'm not attacking, but I have to say it definitely went overboard. Some have said if he would have told them he had inside info, it would have been better. But then, they would have badgered him about what kind of inside info. Then, if he would have said he had an inside source, he would have been badgered about what kind of inside source....it would have just went on and on no matter what he said...until it was confirmed.

He definitely went about it the wrong way, but I honestly don't think there would have been a way to go about it without the same thing happening unless he flat out named his source. It all comes down to the number of posts he had...which is fine to take into consideration, but pretty shameful to continuously blast him for it.

We almost chased away another source by the same behavior, I'm sorry, I can't even remember his name unless I see it, then I recognize it. You would think we would learn to back off at least a little and let it play out before totally condemning someone.

If I'm out of line, I apologize, but I felt it necessary to get that off my chest.

[The Wedge]

What way is that?

Let me make this very clear, there are a lot or lurkers on this board that are very "in the know". Your behavior and the behavior of a few others on here was pretty bad in this thread. I can understand you guys being a little skeptical, but you need to realize who reads this board and who posts early inside information just might be the guy with 1 or two posts.

By all means question it, but some of you went as far to call the guy names before it came out to be true. Ridiculous.

Do not chase away people with a few posts but you never know who they really may be. Obviously false rumors is banable offense so let it run it's course without getting personal.

BTW, this thread is not just at Wedge but a few others who acted disrespectful. I'm not sure why some of you don't seem to realize why this type of information hits this board first. It's not by accident.


Noted, boss. But since you asked, my idea of the right way would have been at least letting us know that they had access to inside dirt and that they couldn't say anymore, but to just stay tuned. Anything besides ultra cryptic responses, you know? I know that I myself realize that this kind of thing will come from unknown posters many times, but when they don't even mention little details like how they know or whatnot, it sends up warning flags.

[Tony-OH]

Noted, boss. But since you asked, my idea of the right way would have been at least letting us know that they had access to inside dirt and that they couldn't say anymore, but to just stay tuned. Anything besides ultra cryptic responses, you know? I know that I myself realize that this kind of thing will come from unknown posters many times, but when they don't even mention little details like how they know or whatnot, it sends up warning flags.
Wedge, that's why I said it's fine to be skeptical. I probably would not have believed it right away either but I would have strted checking my sources to see if there was validity. I agree that it was strange, but the name calling and pack mentality that a few of you showed is not in the spirit of the Hangout community.

You absolutely should have been skeptical, but you also should have absolutely not attacked the guy until it was proven wrong. At that time you just report the thread and we'll remove the poster/troll.

[The Wedge]

Wedge, that's why I said it's fine to be skeptical. I probably would not have believed it right away either but I would have strted checking my sources to see if there was validity. I agree that it was strange, but the name calling and pack mentality that a few of you showed is not in the spirit of the Hangout community.

You absolutely should have been skeptical, but you also should have absolutely not attacked the guy until it was proven wrong. At that time you just report the thread and we'll remove the poster/troll.

Got it, boss.

[Darkhawk]

I think I'm just a bit miffed because it was suggested that I'm somehow this ringleader of newbie bashing. I don't see it, not to mention that is pretty insulting to everyone else who felt the same way I did. It's not like I gathered them all together and said "we gotta get this guy."


Is Rogue Squadron the name of your gang? ;)

As for Sammy hopefully him getting his long deserved oppurtunity will help us in the long run.

[The Wedge]

Is Rogue Squadron the name of your gang? ;)

As for Sammy hopefully him getting his long deserved oppurtunity will help us in the long run.

If there was one, that'd be the perfect name, alright. :)

[drarray]

Hopefully this teaches some of you smug old-timers that new-timers sometimes know what they are talking about. Put otherwise, don't judge posters by the quantity of their posts.

Well said Earl!!!! Some people on this board measure their life's worth by their number of posts :rolleyes:

[ItsBaseball!]

I'm not sure. But we do know that we aren't as bad as we are now.
WTF does that mean?

[The Wedge]

I'm not sure. But we do know that we aren't as bad as we are now.
WTF does that mean?

Not sure who said it, but if they were referring to the O's, it probably means they are playing like crap right now, but they aren't a bad team. They aren't as bad as they are playing right now.

[mweb]

I'd call it a lot more of a shameful display then an interesting case study.

Questioning is one thing and that was fine given his limited history and vague comments. If he was full of crap John would have checked with his sources and the post deleted and the issue would have been dead. However, calling the poster a douche-monger and troll while threatening to spit on, beat up, or ban him even if correct was way over the line and totally indefensible.

I concur, I don't see why people had to attack the two guys so much.

Anyway, I'm glad to report I was at Sammy P's first game and first win!

I think it's a good move, should at least give the team a spark while giving Sam P a trial run to see if we want him for the future.

[mweb]

man I was thinking the same thing. The moderators can actually look at the IP addresses and be able to tell where the posters came from. I'd say out in Anaheim.

I was in Anaheim today. ;)

[belangerules]

Here's an interesting tidbit:



link (http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20050804&content_id=1157627&vkey=news_bal&fext=.jsp&c_id=bal)


Thats an interesting comment. I'm going to speak my mind a little on Mazz, after keeping mum for a long time because I wasn't compltely sure I wasn't mistaken and I wanted him to succeed.

I kind of got that impression a little bit last year. Sometimes it felt like that was the case - that they were stuck with him and had to play through it. I think the rumored widespread discontent with Mazz among the players was real last year - because there have been rumors to that effect for a long time now. I thought it might be true, but didn't weant to undercut him on here.

So I supported him, but had come to the conclusion in the last few months that right or wrong, he was going to have to go at seasons end, whether because he was not up to it or because its just baseball and a move had to be made. I think there will be a change in the way the GM structure works too, somehow, in the offseason.

Maybe he really was in over his head as a MLB manager. Thats something I never wanted to say, but I did wonder it sometimes. I sound like I'm piling on, but there was always something a little uncomfortable about the guy that seemed odd, I don't know. Did anyone else feel that way. I wish him well, but I'm kind of glad the experiment is over for us.

[jamesenoch]

My 2 cents?

Earl = Beattie
Wild Bill = Flanagan

:D

Actually, it's probably the other way around.

Flanagan's first major league manager : Earl Weaver

Beattie's first major league manager : Billy Martin

Hmmm.....

[SouthernBird]

No apologies needed, I'm not Earl though. Don't ban me as I enjoy this board and will provide other tidbits on occasion.I wasn't going to ban anyone, at least until we knew what was up. John had already called me. My post was just to let everyone know that postings of this magnitude without substance ARE IMO bannable. I was just trying to calm the wolves, and let them know we were watching the developments, and keeping up with things.
Good scoop man, and you handled the assualt well IMO>

[blade#7]

I think what some of the members of this board need to realize is that some of us have actual jobs and families, which means that we can't stay glued to the board 24/7. That means, we post sporadically and can't rack up 1000's of post in a short period of time (thus, justifying our presence on this board). There are many who read the board to gain a pulse of the O's fandom and to contribute periodically. That may mean that a cryptic or short response gets posted. I can imagine that Wild Bill had a few seconds to put up a quick post and maybe didn't have too much time to elaborate (he had something on the stove, he was at work, he was calling his source, etc., etc.).

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but as I read through the entire post, I was very saddened by the name calling and threats (even if it was in jest). I remember a similar scenario a few years back when a source revealed that Javy had been signed. (Has that poster been back?). This board is a great source for O's news, info, and opinion. Thanks Wild Bill for your insiders info and please come back with more info and insight.

[The Goob]

The big question to me is who is Wild Bill? Is that you Flanagan, maybe John Angelos or Bill Stetka?

Whoever he his he is well connected since he was able to relaease this info before the Orioles issued their press release. Very impressive.

The other question I want to know is who is the manger B&F were going to briung in last year that he alluded to in another post. Murray? Dempsey? Leyland? Davey Johnson?

Any speculation? Wild Bill would you be willing to give us that name?

[Objectivity]

The big question to me is who is Wild Bill? Is that you Flanagan, maybe John Angelos or Bill Stetka?

Whoever he his he is well connected since he was able to relaease this info before the Orioles issued their press release. Very impressive.

The other question I want to know is who is the manger B&F were going to briung in last year that he alluded to in another post. Murray? Dempsey? Leyland? Davey Johnson?

Any speculation? Wild Bill would you be willing to give us that name?

This is to everyone, not just "The Goob."

How about we all try taking a bit more time saying thank you for what he did tell us, rather then getting grumpy by trying to figure out who it is, or pressuring him for more information. There's too much whining like 5-year-olds going on, "But, I waaaaaana know who he is."

Whoever he is, we (collectively) have made an awful first impression and the second impression in the estatic thread wasn't much better.

[The Goob]

This is to everyone, not just "The Goob."

How about we all try taking a bit more time saying thank you for what he did tell us, rather then getting grumpy by trying to figure out who it is, or pressuring him for more information. There's too much whining like 5-year-olds going on, "But, I waaaaaana know who he is."

Whoever he is, we (collectively) have made an awful first impression and the second impression in the estatic thread wasn't much better.

You can't blame us for being curious. I certainly do not mean to scare him away or piss him off. Posts like the ones he has put up are the reason I joined OH. This truely is a must have service for all Orioles fans.

[Cokeman]

The big question to me is who is Wild Bill? Is that you Flanagan, maybe John Angelos or Bill Stetka?

Whoever he his he is well connected since he was able to relaease this info before the Orioles issued their press release. Very impressive.

The other question I want to know is who is the manger B&F were going to briung in last year that he alluded to in another post. Murray? Dempsey? Leyland? Davey Johnson?

Any speculation? Wild Bill would you be willing to give us that name?

I shuddered when this thought occured to me...the guy who was hired to replace Maz last year could have been Ray Miller...

[Mark Carver]

I shuddered when this thought occured to me...the guy who was hired to replace Maz last year could have been Ray Miller...

The timing is right... ;)

[OrioleMagic]

I am curious about the Dempsey/Perlozzo relationship. I remember a post a few weeks ago about someone overhearing a dinner conversation of Dempsey bashing Mazzilli. This just makes me wonder where he stands in the organization. This coaching staff must have had some tension at times due to Perlozzo and Dempsey being beaten out by Mazzilli and then having to work for him... Just makes me wonder.

[Migrant Redbird]

The big question to me is who is Wild Bill? Is that you Flanagan, maybe John Angelos or Bill Stetka?

Whoever he his he is well connected since he was able to release this info before the Orioles issued their press release. Very impressive.

I would be very surprised if senior management in the O's front office get their jollies by posting leaks on internet forums. It would be very unprofessional and would probably incur Peter's wrath if it got out. It's my impression that junior employees in the Warehouse have been fired for posting here in the past.

"Wild Bill" registered in December 2003. I don't recall; was that about the time of the Mazzilli hiring?

Anyhow, the families of players and coaches and managers are among those who read team forums for information about their family members, but rarely post. I recall several years ago when I used to have my e-mail address posted in my sig; I once got an e-mail from an older brother of a Cardinals pitcher. He never registered or posted in the forum, but he had a virus on his computer that parsed his browser cache for e-mail addresses, then mailed itself to me. I e-mailed him back and recommended he do an A-V scan of his computer. He responded, thanked me, told me who he was, and that was the only time we communicated.

So, assuming that "Wild Bill" was really living in North Ohio in December 2003, my guess is that he's someone with a close relative in the O's organization who would have had knowledge of the firing shortly after the decision was made. Remember, he didn't just predict the firing; he named both the replacement and the approximate time of the public announcement. That suggests that "Wild Bill" might be a close relative of Mazzilli, Perlozzo, someone in the O's HR office, or someone in the O's publicity office.

Anyone working in the publicity office ought to have been pretty busy yesterday. It's difficult to imagine they would have a window open on their computer and pop in here to read this thread and make a half dozen posts during that critical couple of hours before the formal announcement. Too many things to do and too much chance of getting caught.

The close timing of Wild Bill's registration with Mazzilli's hiring is intriguing, but I have a hard time believing that someone close enough to Mazzilli to have shared the information would have been excited enough about the scoop to have posted it here. His family and friends should still be grieving. If it were a family member or acquaintance who didn't particularly like Mazzilli, I have a hard time believing they'd have enough interest in the O's to register here.

The prompt appearance of "earl" confirming Wild Bill's story only 1 hour and 8 miinutes after the thread began strongly implies that, despite what Wild Bill said, earl is either Wild Bill or another close friend/family member. It would be a remarkable coincidence for another "lurker" to both have the inside information and to feel compelled to confirm it within such a short span of time, before the news was widely enough spread to make it difficult or impossible to get into the site. (I was never able to get page 4 or any subsequent page to load yesterday.)

My guess? Perlozzo called his parents or another close family member either last night or early this morning with the news, and they shared it with other close family members or friends. Wild Bill and earl are probably close cousins of Perlazzo, in their teens, and sufficiently baseball fans to check occasionally on how their famous cousin's team is doing. Earl probably signed up last month when speculation about Mazzilli's fate escalated, in the hope that Perlozzo would get the job and the desire to keep track of the "buzz".


Any speculation? Wild Bill would you be willing to give us that name?

Not likely. I doubt if Sam would be very happy if it were a member of his family who violated his confidence.

[tennOsfan]

Migrant Redbird, where were you when they were trying to figure out the identity of Deep Throat?

Well though out, my friend.

[UMBCOriole]

So this is the thread birdsofprey told me about...amusing to say the least...

[Wild Bill]

I shuddered when this thought occured to me...the guy who was hired to replace Maz last year could have been Ray Miller...


No, but it was one of the other four manager candidates mentioned.