The Maryland/Duke Drinking Game

[BustaJ2632]

Here are the rules I came up with today, brainstorming with a couple friends.

1 drink
• Mike Jones hits a 3-pointer
• Official time out
• Sideline report
• Lead change
• A shirtless Duke fan is shown

2 drinks
• A white Duke player chest bumps Sheldon Williams
• Every 10 points for each team
• Will Bowers checks into the game
• A Duke player fouls out
• Maryland’s 3-game winning streak vs. Duke is referenced

3 drinks
• Dick Vitale calls Coach K “Michelangelo”
• Duke’s ranking is referenced (including any reference to Maryland’s impressive all-time record vs. teams ranked #1)
• The proud Duke tradition of floor slapping (http://www.truthaboutduke.com/shop_20.jpg) is shown either on tape or during the game, or Wojo is mentioned by the commentators
• “Gone in Sixty Seconds” is referenced
• Coach K’s position as Team USA coach is referenced

4 drinks
• J.J. misses a free throw
• Dave Neil checks into the game
• Ross Perkins (http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=22727&SPID=1845&DB_OEM_ID=4200&ATCLID=152129&Q_SEASON=2005) checks into the game (this link best viewed in IE, at least for me)
• Coach K is seen uttering an obscenity (see the bottom of this (http://www.truthaboutduke.com/photo_real.php) page for examples)
• A Duke coed is deemed “doable” by at least 2 males in our group (or vice versa). Not including cheerleaders, although you could include them and it wouldn't affect anything.

5 drinks
• J.J. picks his nose (http://www.truthaboutduke.com/anim_nosepick.gif)
• Dick Vitale’s partner calls himself “lucky”
• Dick Vitale criticizes a Duke player/coach/play. Note: This does not include analysis of what went wrong (which is inevitable, since they’re playing Maryland). This is only to be used if Vitale voluntarily admits the fallibility of something related to Duke.
• "Speedo Man" (http://www.truthaboutduke.com/photo_realstu_dis.php?photoid=11) makes an appearance
• Shavlik Randolph, just for the heck of it, is charged with a foul

Any other ideas? :002_scool:

[mskrulz]

This was pretty funny but I think Shavlik Randolph is n the NBA.

[BustaJ2632]

This was pretty funny but I think Shavlik Randolph is n the NBA.

That would be the point ;). He fouled out with no points in the game at Comcast Center last year, so I don't see why being in the NBA would stop him :002_sbiggrin:.

[Sports Guy]

How many drinks for when you trail by 30?

[Pedro Cerrano]

How many drinks for when you trail by 30?

Boy I'm going to LOVE it when Duke once again disappoints in the NCAA tournament this year. The image of "Jay" Williams crying after the Sweet 16 loss to Indiana is still engrained in my mind.

[glenn__davis]

I think there should be a drink every time Mike Patrick makes a big deal out of an average play.

[J.D.]

I think there should be a drink every time Mike Patrick makes a big deal out of an average play.

No no, that would be like the "Pirates of the Caribbean" drinking game we came up with a couple of years ago which consisted entirely of "Drink everytime Johnny Depp does something to make him look gay."

We were smashed to the point of not being able to drink anymore about 20 minutes into the movie. That's what would happen if you took a drink every time Mike Patrick made a big deal out of an average play. Like drinking during a Kevin Smith movie anytime anyone curses.

[J.D.]

What a bounce pass by Paulus!

Look at his form on that time out call! Absolutely brilliant! What a special, special player!

[Sports Guy]

Boy I'm going to LOVE it when Duke once again disappoints in the NCAA tournament this year. The image of "Jay" Williams crying after the Sweet 16 loss to Indiana is still engrained in my mind.


YEa, it is almost as funny as the Terps crying when they could not even advance far in the NIT last year. LOL Bunch of losers.

[Pedro Cerrano]

YEa, it is almost as funny as the Terps crying when they could not even advance far in the NIT last year. LOL Bunch of losers.

Ummm ok, we made the semi's last year, that's not "far"? And show me one picture of a Terps player crying like "Jay" when he missed that free throw (I forgot what a GREAT FT shooter he was!) after the loss and I'll eat crow.

[Sports Guy]

Ummm ok, we made the semi's last year, that's not "far"? And show me one picture of a Terps player crying like "Jay" when he missed that free throw (I forgot what a GREAT FT shooter he was!) after the loss and I'll eat crow.

Wow, you made it to the semi finals for the NIT...Way to go!! That is impressive!:rolleyes:

I will tell you what....When the Terps get to the point where their accomplishments are even 1/4 the accomplishments of Duke, then come talk to me.

BTW, i noticed how you dodged my question in the other thread about Duke being overrated.....Were they overrated when they made the Terps look like Coppin St?

[Pedro Cerrano]

Wow, you made it to the semi finals for the NIT...Way to go!! That is impressive!:rolleyes:

I will tell you what....When the Terps get to the point where their accomplishments are even 1/4 the accomplishments of Duke, then come talk to me.

BTW, i noticed how you dodged my question in the other thread about Duke being overrated.....Were they overrated when they made the Terps look like Coppin St?

I think mweb answered the question for you. Do you need me to repeat what he said? Fine. The Terps looked like Coppin State that night, but that was as much their fault as it was Dook's. You admitted YOURSELF that Dook didn't even play that well!

Also, I never purported to say that the NIT was "impressive" but you said we did not advance far in that tournament which is simply not true.

[Sports Guy]

I think mweb answered the question for you. Do you need me to repeat what he said? Fine. The Terps looked like Coppin State that night, but that was as much their fault as it was Dook's. You admitted YOURSELF that Dook didn't even play that well!

Also, I never purported to say that the NIT was "impressive" but you said we did not advance far in that tournament which is simply not true.


They did not win...So therefore, thats not far enough.

[Sports Guy]

BTW, yes Duke did not play in the second half but they did play well in the first half.

And i never said Duke's defense was not good that game.

[Pedro Cerrano]

BTW, yes Duke did not play in the second half but they did play well in the first half.

And i never said Duke's defense was not good that game.

Well Dook did play good defense but Maryland turned the ball over so many times on simply bone-headed plays. Question for you, in 1999, did Dook advance far in the NCAA tournament?

[drarray]

BTW, yes Duke did not play in the second half but they did play well in the first half.

And i never said Duke's defense was not good that game.

SG, two questions. Why are you a Duke fan? Did you go to the university? I only ask because I assume that you reside in the Baltimore/DC area because you love the Ravens and the O's.

[drarray]

Well Dook did play good defense but Maryland turned the ball over so many times on simply bone-headed plays. Question for you, in 1999, did Dook advance far in the NCAA tournament?

Based on the spanking UMCP took against Duke this week, NO Terp fan, me included, should try to get into an argument with a Duke fan. We sucked and Duke crushed us. Until we beat them or at least play to their level again we shouldn't talk smack.

[Sports Guy]

Well Dook did play good defense but Maryland turned the ball over so many times on simply bone-headed plays. Question for you, in 1999, did Dook advance far in the NCAA tournament?


Off the top of my head, i am not sure how far they advanced...They have been to 8 straight sweet 16's, so they at least got that far...What is your point?

[Sports Guy]

Based on the spanking UMCP took against Duke this week, NO Terp fan, me included, should try to get into an argument with a Duke fan. We sucked and Duke crushed us. Until we beat them or at least play to their level again we shouldn't talk smack.


For whatever reason, he enjoys picking fights with me abotu Duke, as if they have not accomplished anything.

One thing to have blind hatred for a team but all he normally does is make himself look foolish.

[Pedro Cerrano]

Off the top of my head, i am not sure how far they advanced...They have been to 8 straight sweet 16's, so they at least got that far...What is your point?

My point is they lost to UConn in the finals that year. So I was wondering if you consider that advancing "far" in the tournament.

[Pedro Cerrano]

How many drinks for when you trail by 30?

Who started this again? I'm just defending my team that's all. I'm entitled to do that.

[Pedro Cerrano]

One thing to have blind hatred for a team but all he normally does is make himself look foolish.

Please quote for me anything I've said in this thread that does not have any merit that makes me look foolish. All I said was I'm anticipating another Dook collapse in the NCAA tournament which, in the post Battier era, has become their MO. Is that a foolish statement? I think not.

[Sports Guy]

My point is they lost to UConn in the finals that year. So I was wondering if you consider that advancing "far" in the tournament.


Are you comparing the NIT to the NCAA? LOL

[Sports Guy]

Please quote for me anything I've said in this thread that does not have any merit that makes me look foolish. All I said was I'm anticipating another Dook collapse in the NCAA tournament which, in the post Battier era, has become their MO. Is that a foolish statement? I think not.


The fact that you even brought anything up, when it had nothing to do with thread, makes you look foolish IMO. All you wanted to do is take a shot at me and Duke because i asked how many drinks do you drink when you are down 30.

[Pedro Cerrano]

They did not win...So therefore, thats not far enough.

Maybe you should have clarified before then. You spoke generally. "Not winning = not advancing far enough."

[Sports Guy]

Maybe you should have clarified before then. You spoke generally. "Not winning = not advancing far enough."


Figured when we were talking about the NIT tourney, that my response was self explanatory...Guess i need to explain things better to some.

[drarray]

sports guy, why are you a duke fan?

[Pedro Cerrano]

Figured when we were talking about the NIT tourney, that my response was self explanatory...Guess i need to explain things better to some.

I do not know why you have to be condascending, I'm not personally attacking you or your character.

[mweb]

sports guy, why are you a duke fan?

He jumped on the bandwagon of Duke, didn't go there, live there, have parents who went there, or anything like that as far as I know, just picked them as his team because they were good and probably had some players he liked.

[Sports Guy]

He jumped on the bandwagon of Duke, didn't go there, live there, have parents who went there, or anything like that as far as I know, just picked them as his team because they were good and probably had some players he liked.


Started watching college bball when i was 8 and i have liked Duke since.

[drarray]

Started watching college bball when i was 8 and i have liked Duke since.

How old are you Sports guy? Was it the Laetner teams that you started to follow. If that is that case, I can't blame you. I remember when UMCP went through that tough time when BB sucked after Bias died. Admittedly, there was not much to follow back then. I got hooked on UMCP when the Wizzard went on his 4 or 5 game 30+ scoring binge. His performance was one reason why I chose to go to UMCP. He had me hooked and I loved them ever since.

[mweb]

Started watching college bball when i was 8 and i have liked Duke since.

I'm aware, but that doesn't change anything I said.

[J.D.]

Started watching college bball when i was 8 and i have liked Duke since.

Still, isn't being a Duke fan the college basketball equivalent of being a Yankees fan?

I remember... the first college basketball game I ever watched was a Duke game. I remember looking at their team name and saying it outloud before saying, "Well, that's a stupid name." I was 7 or 8 then, too.

I've pretty much hated everything about Duke ever since.

[mweb]

Still, isn't being a Duke fan the college basketball equivalent of being a Yankees fan?

I remember... the first college basketball game I ever watched was a Duke game. I remember looking at their team name and saying it outloud before saying, "Well, that's a stupid name." I was 7 or 8 then, too.

I've pretty much hated everything about Duke ever since.

Yeah, it's pretty much the equivalent. SG can talk about how young he was(8 isn't that young either), but the bottom line is it is jumping on the bandwagon and there is a difference between people like that and true fans of teams that have many bandwagon fans.

[drarray]

Yeah, it's pretty much the equivalent. SG can talk about how young he was(8 isn't that young either), but the bottom line is it is jumping on the bandwagon and there is a difference between people like that and true fans of teams that have many bandwagon fans.

His posting in this forum does define him as a TROLL, right?

[mweb]

His posting in this forum does define him as a TROLL, right?

Well what's the definition of a troll?

I don't usually have a problem with him posting in this forum though, so I wouldn't refer to him as a troll in most cases.

[drarray]

Well what's the definition of a troll?

I don't usually have a problem with him posting in this forum though, so I wouldn't refer to him as a troll in most cases.

I'm just joking. A troll is someone that comes onto another team's forum and then starts talking smack.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Ummm ok, we made the semi's last year, that's not "far"? And show me one picture of a Terps player crying like "Jay" when he missed that free throw (I forgot what a GREAT FT shooter he was!) after the loss and I'll eat crow.
He'll never beat this:

Wahh... (http://www.terrapintables.com/graphics/little*****.jpg)

[glenn__davis]

MD better come into every ACC game jacked up because every team is going to give them a fight this year.

If MD doesn't get their heads out of their rears really soon, teams like Clemson and Miami are going to be worried about us giving them a good fight, not vice versa.

[Sports Guy]

I'm aware, but that doesn't change anything I said.
You act as if i give a ***** that i liked Duke when they were winning.

Who cares? I was 8...Didn't know any better....You have been a USC fan your whole life, right?

[BaltimoreTerp]

You act as if i give a ***** that i liked Duke when they were winning.

Who cares? I was 8...Didn't know any better....You have been a USC fan your whole life, right?
Last time I checked, your location doesn't say "Durham".

[mweb]

You act as if i give a ***** that i liked Duke when they were winning.

Who cares? I was 8...Didn't know any better....You have been a USC fan your whole life, right?

How do I act like you give a ****? I simply answered the question asked of you since you didn't seem to care to answer it. I don't care what you think of my remarks regarding this, but it is my feeling that you jumped on the bandwagon and are not a true Duke fan in the way that someone who grew up there and/or went there is.

No I haven't been a USC fan all my life, however I have lived in USC territory since I was 16, had my high school classmate go there to be the starting QB, and got into them before they were good. They are also my second college football team behind MD, so it's not like I claim to be a diehard or anything.

[Sports Guy]

Last time I checked, your location doesn't say "Durham".


So what? My location is also not College Park. I went to Towson...Guess they should be my team above everyone huh?

Who the hell cares that i am not from NC. People start to like teams for different reasons. The idea that you have to like your home team and your home team only is complete bs.

[drarray]

Who the hell cares that i am not from NC. People start to like teams for different reasons. The idea that you have to like your home team and your home team only is complete bs.

Well, yeah. How come no one loves NC State. Well because they haven't won in recent memory. I quess I could root for a team outside of my geographical area but NOT over one that was in it. Bottom line: Duke fan = Yankee fan

[BaltBird 24]

You might as well jump on the Yankee bandwagon too, SG.

[MurphDogg]

I refer you to Bill Simmons' rules for being a true fan (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=1341274&type=page2Story)


"If you're between the ages of 20-40, you're a fan of the Yankees, Cowboys, Braves, Raiders, Steelers, Celtics, Lakers, Bulls, Canadiens and/or Oilers, and you're not actually from those one of those cities ... well, you better have a reason that goes beyond "When I was picking a favorite team as a kid, they were the best team, so I picked them.

At least give me a reason like "Reggie Jackson was my favorite player growing up," or "I always liked the red Bulls uniforms," or even "Everyone in my gang wore Raiders colors." Do you really want to be known as a bona fide Bandwagon Jumper?"

If you don't think the Blue Devils belong in that group you are nuts.

[BaltimoreTerp]

I refer you to Bill Simmons' rules for being a true fan (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=1341274&type=page2Story)



If you don't think the Blue Devils belong in that group you are nuts.
Nice use of the real Sports Guy.

[mweb]

I refer you to Bill Simmons' rules for being a true fan (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=1341274&type=page2Story)



If you don't think the Blue Devils belong in that group you are nuts.

The 49ers should be on that list too.

[Sports Guy]

For the Terps fans....Not all of you went/or are going to COllege Park...So, why did you pick the Terps as your team? Why not GTown? Towson? Loyola? Coppin? Morgan? UMES?

[glenn__davis]

For the Terps fans....Not all of you went/or are going to COllege Park...So, why did you pick the Terps as your team? Why not GTown? Towson? Loyola? Coppin? Morgan? UMES?

First of all because MD is the state school. If I go somewhere wearing a Coppin State sweatshirt, noone will have any idea where that is.

Second, because MD plays at a high level of play. I'd much rather watch MD play against ACC-caliber opponents than watch Loyola play Hofstra or something like that.

Finally, this comparison doesn't hold water, because MD sucked while most of us were growing up, but we pulled for them anyway. No ones saying that you have to root for your state school, but to jump on the bandwagon of a good team when you're young still makes you a bandwagon jumper.

[mweb]

For the Terps fans....Not all of you went/or are going to COllege Park...So, why did you pick the Terps as your team? Why not GTown? Towson? Loyola? Coppin? Morgan? UMES?

Because I grew up in MD, and obviously UMD is the state school. GTown would have actually been the local bandwagon team when I was young. And I would root for any of those other schools, but I choose the state school, the one that's in a major conference and that I actually heard of. I probably didn't even know some of those schools existed when I was really young nor would I really be able to follow them on tv or the radio or whatever.

[mweb]

Here's my take on this, since I know you are all interested :002_sbiggrin:

I don't think there is anything wrong or unusual about SG rooting for Duke. The thing is, I don't think people appreciate when he talks as though Duke is his school and that he is like a die hard fan.

For example, I become a Lakers fan when they were on their run, but that doesn't mean I trash talk to Wizards fans if the Lakers beat them.

I really couldn't care less who SG roots for, but that's what I think the issue is here. I personally wouldn't want to root for a team if I didn't root for them as a die-hard fan would.

I don't think there's anything unusual about SG rooting for Duke, however I do think there is something wrong with it. It's basically the same as young baseball fans in MD picking the Yankee's as their team because they're the premier franchise and the O's have been bad for a long time.

I agree with much of the rest of your post, I think a lot of people don't care for someone who grew up in MD, and didn't go to Duke talking trash to MD fans after Duke wins or because Duke is a better program or whatever.

So like Ravenbird said, he jumped on the Laker bandwagon, is willing to admit that and doesn't talk trash to Wizards fans about it. That's more acceptable, although still not totally acceptable imo.:002_stongue:

[Sports Guy]

I don't think there's anything unusual about SG rooting for Duke, however I do think there is something wrong with it. It's basically the same as young baseball fans in MD picking the Yankee's as their team because they're the premier franchise and the O's have been bad for a long time.

I agree with much of the rest of your post, I think a lot of people don't care for someone who grew up in MD, and didn't go to Duke talking trash to MD fans after Duke wins or because Duke is a better program or whatever.

So like Ravenbird said, he jumped on the Laker bandwagon, is willing to admit that and doesn't talk trash to Wizards fans about it. That's more acceptable, although still not totally acceptable imo.:002_stongue:


Was Duke the MD rival in 1988?

[Sports Guy]

First of all because MD is the state school. If I go somewhere wearing a Coppin State sweatshirt, noone will have any idea where that is.

Second, because MD plays at a high level of play. I'd much rather watch MD play against ACC-caliber opponents than watch Loyola play Hofstra or something like that.

Finally, this comparison doesn't hold water, because MD sucked while most of us were growing up, but we pulled for them anyway. No ones saying that you have to root for your state school, but to jump on the bandwagon of a good team when you're young still makes you a bandwagon jumper.


So, you(and others) root for the better team, the team with the most exposure and the team that you had "heard of"..These are some of the ideas that have been portrayed to me....Hmmmmmm, seems like a bandwagon idea there to me, just a bandwagon of your state team.

BTW, i fully admit that i jumped on Duke when they were good(just so happened to be when i started watchign college bball)...But really, i am not even sure why it matters to any of you. Also, as i said, it is like MD was any kind of rival for Duke at the time. I am not sure if any of you had a hatred for Duke in 1988 beyond them just being an ACC team.

Also, wasn't MD on probation in the late 80's or did that not happen until the early 90s?

[BaltimoreTerp]

Was Duke the MD rival in 1988?
Are you talking trash in 2006?

[Mackus]

Does it really matter why someone decides to become a fan of a certain team?

My only problem with "fandom" comes when somebody jumps ship and becomes a fan of another team. I think that is unnacceptable and the jumper has no right to claim being a true fan of their new team.

SG clearly didn't jump off of any other bandwagon to become a Duke fan; they just happened to be the best program at the time. Apparently as an 8 year old he either had no ability to recognize evil or was quite comfortable cheering for it, but I certainly don't consider him any less of a fan of the team because he has no direct ties.

I do think its BS (and I constantly call him out on it) when he starts getting into arguments about Duke's academics. He has no reason to talk about Duke as a better university than any other (and it certainly isn't any better than Maryland - at least in my discipline).

[mweb]

Was Duke the MD rival in 1988?

Is the Yankees the O's rival now? Not sure your point here, it's the same thing, the O's are a bottom dweller now in the same division as the Yanks just as the Terps were a bottom dweller back then in the same conference as Duke.

[Sports Guy]

I do think its BS (and I constantly call him out on it) when he starts getting into arguments about Duke's academics. He has no reason to talk about Duke as a better university than any other (and it certainly isn't any better than Maryland - at least in my discipline).


I do not think MD has ever been rated as high(or higher) than any ivy league school....Perhaps in certain programs but not as a university as a whole.

But really, i could care less about the academics because i think it is all bs anyway. College is college...Certain schools are better than other in certain area(like MD with engineering) but for the most part, it is the same just more work.

Now, Duke does usually have a smarter team IMO and i think many people would back that idea.

[BaltimoreTerp]

So, you(and others) root for the better team, the team with the most exposure and the team that you had "heard of"..These are some of the ideas that have been portrayed to me....Hmmmmmm, seems like a bandwagon idea there to me, just a bandwagon of your state team.
I guess we are all bandwagon Orioles fans then right?

BTW, i fully admit that i jumped on Duke when they were good(just so happened to be when i started watchign college bball)...But really, i am not even sure why it matters to any of you. Also, as i said, it is like MD was any kind of rival for Duke at the time. I am not sure if any of you had a hatred for Duke in 1988 beyond them just being an ACC team.
It matters because you are talking trash now, in a Maryland forum, as a Duke fan. You could easily stay out of here, but choose to do the opposite, so you make it our business.

[Sports Guy]

Is the Yankees the O's rival now? Not sure your point here, it's the same thing, the O's are a bottom dweller now in the same division as the Yanks just as the Terps were a bottom dweller back then in the same conference as Duke.

Because you guys make it sound like i jumped on Duke 5-10 years ago, when the rivalry really got started and that is not true.

To compare the history of these schools to the history of the O's and Yanks is a joke BTW.

Also, if i was a true bandwagon fan, i would have jumped off the year K had the surgery and they were awful and then jumped back on when they were good again.

[Sports Guy]

I guess we are all bandwagon Orioles fans then right?

It matters because you are talking trash now, in a Maryland forum, as a Duke fan. You could easily stay out of here, but choose to do the opposite, so you make it our business.

1) Until last year, was there another local baseball team? The part that you chose to quote from me and your response to that makes no sense.

2) I did not start this, i am defending myself. If you do not like it, butt out...Really, i prefer to discuss this with other people anyway.

I have talked about Duke on here in the past but that was before the NCAA Bball forum was started.

[mweb]

Does it really matter why someone decides to become a fan of a certain team?

My only problem with "fandom" comes when somebody jumps ship and becomes a fan of another team. I think that is unnacceptable and the jumper has no right to claim being a true fan of their new team.

SG clearly didn't jump off of any other bandwagon to become a Duke fan; they just happened to be the best program at the time. Apparently as an 8 year old he either had no ability to recognize evil or was quite comfortable cheering for it, but I certainly don't consider him any less of a fan of the team because he has no direct ties.

I do think its BS (and I constantly call him out on it) when he starts getting into arguments about Duke's academics. He has no reason to talk about Duke as a better university than any other (and it certainly isn't any better than Maryland - at least in my discipline).

But I bet if Duke hit some hard times in lets say 1992 and didn't recover, SG would not have kept Duke as their team, or at the very least wouldn't be as big of a fan and wouldn't be talking about Duke much on here.

So Mackus, you don't have a problem with kids in MD picking the Yanks as their team? Would you be ok with your possible future son rooting for the Yanks because they're the better team?

[mweb]

Because you guys make it sound like i jumped on Duke 5-10 years ago, when the rivalry really got started and that is not true.

To compare the history of these schools to the history of the O's and Yanks is a joke BTW.

Also, if i was a true bandwagon fan, i would have jumped off the year K had the surgery and they were awful and then jumped back on when they were good again.

I don't make it sound like that at all. Picking the Yanks now is very similiar to picking Duke then, obviously you don't want to admit that and that's fine. And tradition has little to nothing to do with why a kid jumps on a bandwagon. It's all about right now in that circumstance, and in that case it is similiar.

And come on now, 1 year of bad play, wow, way to hang in there, must have been rough huh? The real test would have been if they started struggling not that long after you started liking them, and continued to struggle.

I would guess you would stick with Duke now if they fell on hard times, though, so I guess you've graduated from bandwagon status, but it doesn't change the initial jump onto it, or that I and others don't view you as a fan of Duke in the same way we view Duke fans who grew up and/or went there.

BTW, why did you leave the 49ers for the Ravens?

[BaltimoreTerp]

1) Until last year, was there another local baseball team? The part that you chose to quote from me and your response to that makes no sense.
You called us bandwagon fans for supporting our state school. If you can't see where it makes sense then I can't help you.

[Sports Guy]

But I bet if Duke hit some hard times in lets say 1992 and didn't recover, SG would not have kept Duke as their team, or at the very least wouldn't be as big of a fan and wouldn't be talking about Duke much on here.




This may be the dumbest thing you have ever said on here and btw, you are completely wrong.

First of all, do not act as if you know me and my loyalty to anything. I could very well say f you to the Orioles and be justifed but i haven't.

Secondly, between the year with K having surgery, losing early in the Tourney to Cal and Eastern Mich, Duke did go through issues in the mid 90's.

Nothing like probation or anything like that but still, they did not play at an elite level for a few years

[Sports Guy]

You called us bandwagon fans for supporting our state school. If you can't see where it makes sense then I can't help you.


YOu have other options than the Terps, that was my point of that post.

[mweb]

So, you(and others) root for the better team, the team with the most exposure and the team that you had "heard of"..These are some of the ideas that have been portrayed to me....Hmmmmmm, seems like a bandwagon idea there to me, just a bandwagon of your state team.

Don't fall of the bandwagon while you're reaching.:002_sbiggrin:

Yeah, MD was a real bandwagon team in the late 80's.:rolleyes: Picking MD as your team is just like picking any other major local team. UMD was the major school of MD, picking Towson or Morgan St would be like choosing the Bowie Baysox as your favorite team.:002_sbiggrin:

[MurphDogg]

The reason I have a problem with rooting for the best team, just because they are the best is because, to me it cheapens being a fan. It would be great to have rooted for a team that won all the time but being a fan is a group activity in my mind and being around other people who share both the triumphs and disappointments with you is the best part of being a fan. I feel sorry for SG that he made such a terrible choice that has isolated him from the social structure. I have no problem with SG in this forum because he raises the level of discourse.



My only problem with "fandom" comes when somebody jumps ship and becomes a fan of another team. I think that is unnacceptable and the jumper has no right to claim being a true fan of their new team.


In my mind a certain level of sports bigamy is acceptable in college sports, you should be able to root for the home team as well as the team of the college that you attended. You must, however differentiate between the two and cheer one before the other. In my case I attended Virginia Tech and will root for them even in basketball where they are not a traditional power team. I attended the VT/MD game last year and rooted hard for the Hokies at Comcast Center even though I spent all of my formative years cheering for the Terps.

[Sports Guy]

BTW, why did you leave the 49ers for the Ravens?


Didn't leave them...Still a fan of them but to be honest, the new ownership has really turned me off.

[mweb]

This may be the dumbest thing you have ever said on here and btw, you are completely wrong.

First of all, do not act as if you know me and my loyalty to anything. I could very well say f you to the Orioles and be justifed but i haven't.

Secondly, between the year with K having surgery, losing early in the Tourney to Cal and Eastern Mich, Duke did go through issues in the mid 90's.

Nothing like probation or anything like that but still, they did not play at an elite level for a few years

Maybe I'm wrong, I obviously can't tell. But please don't act like Duke has gone through tough times and you've stuck with them.

[mweb]

Didn't leave them...Still a fan of them but to be honest, the new ownership has really turned me off.

But why are the Ravens your main team now?

[Sports Guy]

Maybe I'm wrong, I obviously can't tell. But please don't act like Duke has gone through tough times and you've stuck with them.

For Duke, they were tough times.

[mweb]

YOu have other options than the Terps, that was my point of that post.

The only other college options would be basically like minor league pro teams. Unless you want to go down to DC and root for what was the bandwagon team of the time. Would you disagree with that?

[mweb]

For Duke, they were tough times.

Ok, but they weren't tough times for a fan to endure.

[BaltBird 24]

If SG were a real fan, he'd have chosen Belmont Abbey College, Chowan College, or North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University over Duke.

[Nuclear Dish]

I've kept my mouth shut until now, as this isn't my fight. But for the record, I'll throw in my opinion:

1. The initial act of becoming a Dook fan when SG was a local kid was no doubt an act of bandwagon jumping. How anyone could argue otherwise is beyond me. If my kid ever rooted for the local Blue Jays, I could live with it. But if he ever rooted for Dook or the Yankees, I'd disown him. In my family, we had such an issue, as my brother attended Maryland for 2 years and openly rooted for the Terps, although he was torn whenever UNC and Maryland played head-to-head. But rooting for the Terps was deemed acceptable. He'd have never even considered going to Dook, though. (FYI, he transferred to Towson after 2 years, thereby solving his own internal demons.)

2. The fact that he's been a loyal fan for so long is all well and good, and he's certainly beyond bandwagon fan now. It's highly unlikely that he would ever root for Maryland after openly rooting againt them for so long, no matter how bad Dook ever got (please God!).

3. The Yankees analogy is apropos, but the Ravens one is not. It's not inconceivable for SG to start rooting for Towson if they became a national power, and still have a warm place for Dook in his heart. A move from the Niners to the Ravens is not so wrong, since the local team sprouted out of nowhere and was never a direct rival of the Niners.

4. I still maintain that no matter how much SG may root for Dook, he still will never "get it" about the depths of the rivalry with UNC, choosing instead to hate the local Twerps more, simply because that's his frame of reference. He'll never be a fan to the depths of his being the way those of us who grew up in a Dook or UNC household or attended the school are. That's not a slight of him - he is still a terrific fan for his team, but just a comment on the fact that there is such a thing as "insider status" in this case.

5. That having been said, he is the premier Dookie in this specific forum, and to that end, he does his job of banner waving exceptionally well. And generally, he is respectful of the hometown majority. However, the issue he sometimes can't resist running into is the snide comment of trash talk or the needling joke posted in the Maryland sports forum. I used to do that, but I quickly learned that I was trolling, and that was unacceptable. Fortunately, Tony created the NCAA forum, so I have a place to (respectfully) trash talk, debate, or boast.


So to summarize:

Becoming a Dook fan in the first place, even as a kid - BAD
Remaining a Dook fan for so long - ACCEPTABLE
Trash tallking in the Maryland forum (even when they play Dook) - BAD
Trash talking in the NCAA forum - GOOD

[mweb]

Dish, I was simply bringing up the Ravens to see his reasoning in making them his primary team over the 49ers, I wasn't ripping that choice. Good post.

[Sports Guy]

I've kept my mouth shut until now, as this isn't my fight. But for the record, I'll throw in my opinion:

1. The initial act of becoming a Dook fan when SG was a local kid was no doubt an act of bandwagon jumping. How anyone could argue otherwise is beyond me. If my kid ever rooted for the local Blue Jays, I could live with it. But if he ever rooted for Dook or the Yankees, I'd disown him. In my family, we had such an issue, as my brother attended Maryland for 2 years and openly rooted for the Terps, although he was torn whenever UNC and Maryland played head-to-head. But rooting for the Terps was deemed acceptable. He'd have never even considered going to Dook, though. (FYI, he transferred to Towson after 2 years, thereby solving his own internal demons.)

2. The fact that he's been a loyal fan for so long is all well and good, and he's certainly beyond bandwagon fan now. It's highly unlikely that he would ever root for Maryland after openly rooting againt them for so long, no matter how bad Dook ever got (please God!).

3. The Yankees analogy is apropos, but the Ravens one is not. It's not inconceivable for SG to start rooting for Towson if they became a national power, and still have a warm place for Dook in his heart. A move from the Niners to the Ravens is not so wrong, since the local team sprouted out of nowhere and was never a direct rival of the Niners.

4. I still maintain that no matter how much SG may root for Dook, he still will never "get it" about the depths of the rivalry with UNC, choosing instead to hate the local Twerps more, simply because that's his frame of reference. He'll never be a fan to the depths of his being the way those of us who grew up in a Dook or UNC household or attended the school are. That's not a slight of him - he is still a terrific fan for his team, but just a comment on the fact that there is such a thing as "insider status" in this case.

5. That having been said, he is the premier Dookie in this specific forum, and to that end, he does his job of banner waving exceptionally well. And generally, he is respectful of the hometown majority. However, the issue he sometimes can't resist running into is the snide comment of trash talk or the needling joke posted in the Maryland sports forum. I used to do that, but I quickly learned that I was trolling, and that was unacceptable. Fortunately, Tony created the NCAA forum, so I have a place to (respectfully) trash talk, debate, or boast.


So to summarize:

Becoming a Dook fan in the first place, even as a kid - BAD
Remaining a Dook fan for so long - ACCEPTABLE
Trash tallking in the Maryland forum (even when they play Dook) - BAD
Trash talking in the NCAA forum - GOOD


I agree with alot of this post but hey, talking trash is part of being a fan.

The part i bolded was hilarious.

Balt Bird, at some point you will be able to have an adult conversation. We are all on pins and needles waiting for that to happen.

[Sports Guy]

Dish, I was simply bringing up the Ravens to see his reasoning in making them his primary team over the 49ers, I wasn't ripping that choice. Good post.

They are my team because they are the home team that i chose to get behind. They did not immediately become my favorite team because they were still the Cleveland Browns playing in Bmore but as they began to get their own identity and get "Ravens players", they became my favorite team.

[mweb]

I agree with alot of this post but hey, talking trash is part of being a fan.

The part i bolded was hilarious.

Balt Bird, at some point you will be able to have an adult conversation. We are all on pins and needles waiting for that to happen.

But as Dish said, trash talking on the MD forum is basically trolling in many instances.

[mweb]

They are my team because they are the home team that i chose to get behind. They did not immediately become my favorite team because they were still the Cleveland Browns playing in Bmore but as they began to get their own identity and get "Ravens players", they became my favorite team.

Ok, so when did they become your favorite team?

[Sports Guy]

Ok, so when did they become your favorite team?


I would say it took 2 years...So, that would be what? 1998??

BTW, i certainly talk my stuff but i also get jumped on alot and lots of shots are taken at Duke in that forum, so i will stick up for them.

ND...If the same was done towards UNC, you would do the same thing.

[Sports Guy]

Something tells me if i were a Clemson fan, no one would care.

[mweb]

Something tells me if i were a Clemson fan, no one would care.

You wouldn't be jumping on the bandwagon in that case, so not as much, but it would be quite odd. And people would care if you were talking a lot of trash due to Clemson beating MD 3 times last year.

[mweb]

I would say it took 2 years...So, that would be what? 1998??

BTW, i certainly talk my stuff but i also get jumped on alot and lots of shots are taken at Duke in that forum, so i will stick up for them.

ND...If the same was done towards UNC, you would do the same thing.

So you picked the Ravens because they are the local team right?

[BaltBird 24]

Balt Bird, at some point you will be able to have an adult conversation. We are all on pins and needles waiting for that to happen.

Ofcourse, my post was similar to this one written by someone we will not name.....


For the Terps fans....Not all of you went/or are going to COllege Park...So, why did you pick the Terps as your team? Why not GTown? Towson? Loyola? Coppin? Morgan? UMES?

[Sports Guy]

So you picked the Ravens because they are the local team right?


As i said, the Ravens are a local team that i made the choice to root for.

[mweb]

As i said, the Ravens are a local team that i made the choice to root for.

Ok, that's fine as long as you had them leap over the 49ers before the 1999 season. But why go with some local teams and not others?

[Sports Guy]

Ok, that's fine as long as you had them leap over the 49ers before the 1999 season. But why go with some local teams and not others?


What happened in 1999??

To be honest, i am not really sure. Really, the Terps are the only local team(of the "main" teams) i do not root for. And really, it is not until recently where i started to totally root against them. I used to be ok with them when they played anyone else but now i THINK i dispise them more than the Heels, which is saying something.

[mweb]

What happened in 1999??

To be honest, i am not really sure. Really, the Terps are the only local team(of the "main" teams) i do not root for. And really, it is not until recently where i started to totally root against them. I used to be ok with them when they played anyone else but now i THINK i dispise them more than the Heels, which is saying something.

1999 is when the Ravens started becoming good, going 8-8, while the 49ers starting becoming quite bad going 4-12. So if that's the year you switched your primary allegiance, that would be pretty bad.

[Sports Guy]

1999 is when the Ravens started becoming good, going 8-8, while the 49ers starting becoming quite bad going 4-12. So if that's the year you switched your primary allegiance, that would be pretty bad.


Well, the Niners were good early in the 2000's as well.

But yea, it was the 1998 season anyway.

[Nuclear Dish]

BTW, i certainly talk my stuff but i also get jumped on alot and lots of shots are taken at Duke in that forum, so i will stick up for them.

ND...If the same was done towards UNC, you would do the same thing.

I agree with this. In general, that's why I try to ignore the Maryland boards. However, there's no doubt that we all take pot shots at Dook because we all dislike them so much. And it's worse when Dook is playing Maryland - it's hard to ignore the Maryland boards then.

But no doubt your comments about being up 30, and things of that nature are tantamount to good-natured trolling. Move those comments to the NCAA board, and they are just trash talking.

Overall, I think that for a Dookie, you tend to conduct yourself pretty well. Again, I attribute that to the fact that for you Dook is an adopted team and not a born and bred thing. Born and bred Dookies are insufferable every bit as much as Yankees fans are.

[mweb]

Well, the Niners were good early in the 2000's as well.

But yea, it was the 1998 season anyway.

Ok, you can say this is the second dumbest thing I've ever said, but I'll remain skeptical on that one since you didn't embrace the Ravens right away.

[Nuclear Dish]

I used to be ok with them when they played anyone else but now i THINK i dispise them more than the Heels, which is saying something.

Again, just pointing out... adopted team thing, not a born and bred thing. Born and bred Dookies would never even have such a hesitation.

[Sports Guy]

Again, just pointing out... adopted team thing, not a born and bred thing. Born and bred Dookies would never even have such a hesitation.

Probably right. Living in MD and dealing with their fans, plus the fact that Duke has dominated the Heels over the last 5-8 years, make me hate the Terps more.

[Sports Guy]

Ok, you can say this is the second dumbest thing I've ever said, but I'll remain skeptical on that one since you didn't embrace the Ravens right away.


I think alot of Ravens fans felt this way.

BTW, i did embrace them, just did not have them as my favorite team for a few years.

[glenn__davis]

So, you(and others) root for the better team, the team with the most exposure and the team that you had "heard of"..These are some of the ideas that have been portrayed to me....Hmmmmmm, seems like a bandwagon idea there to me, just a bandwagon of your state team.



Wow, being called a bandwagon fan for cheering for my home-state school at a time when they were terrible and on probation. You're a smart guy, you can see what an illogical statement that is.

[Pedro Cerrano]

I generally think it's impossible to hop on the bandwagon of a local team unless you abandon rooting for another team to do so.

[Sports Guy]

Wow, being called a bandwagon fan for cheering for my home-state school at a time when they were terrible and on probation. You're a smart guy, you can see what an illogical statement that is.

The point is you picked the school that is a better team....The team that can win a championship...The team in the spotlight.

Towson, Loyola, et al...They are all local division 1 college Bball teams.

I am not saying this is bad and it clearly is not bandwagon in terms of jumping on them for winning and then jumping off when things go bad...However, by picking MD, you do choose to go with the better team that wins more.

[mweb]

The point is you picked the school that is a better team....The team that can win a championship...The team in the spotlight.

Towson, Loyola, et al...They are all local division 1 college Bball teams.

I am not saying this is bad and it clearly is not bandwagon in terms of jumping on them for winning and then jumping off when things go bad...However, by picking MD, you do choose to go with the better team that wins more.

They weren't winning more than a lot of those teams at the time since they played a tougher schedule.

[mweb]

The only other college options would be basically like minor league pro teams. Unless you want to go down to DC and root for what was the bandwagon team of the time. Would you disagree with that?

Again, would you disagree with that SG?

You're really reaching with this "well you guys picked UMD over Loyola, Towson, Coppin St, etc." BTW, I don't think I would fit in too well at Coppin or Morgan St.

[BaltimoreTerp]

I believe the important question is, why didn't SG pick Loyola or UMBC or Coppin? ;)

[BustaJ2632]

This was supposed to be a thread about a simple game where the point was drinking large quantities of alcohol in an effort to get drunk and disorderly. Where did this bickering come from? ;)

[mweb]

This was supposed to be a thread about a simple game where the point was drinking large quantities of alcohol in an effort to get drunk and disorderly. Where did this bickering come from? ;)

Ok, take 2 shots everytime SG talks trash during the game.:002_sbiggrin:

[Sports Guy]

Again, would you disagree with that SG?

You're really reaching with this "well you guys picked UMD over Loyola, Towson, Coppin St, etc." BTW, I don't think I would fit in too well at Coppin or Morgan St.

The Baysox play pro baseball but it is a different level.

Towson, et al is still a D1 college program. Yes, there level of competition is not what the Terps play but is not like they are in a league that is designated differently like AA versus the majors.

So, my answer to you on whether i agree with you is yes and no.

[Pedro Cerrano]

You're really really reaching here when trying to compare Towson, Loyola, etc to the University of Maryland. There is a reason that ACC games are broadcast on CBS and ESPN nationally and that 90% of the top players in the NBA (that went to college) went to power conference schools. It's a ridiculous comparison, in my humble opinion.

[BaltimoreTerp]

The Baysox play pro baseball but it is a different level.

Towson, et al is still a D1 college program. Yes, there level of competition is not what the Terps play but is not like they are in a league that is designated differently like AA versus the majors.

So, my answer to you on whether i agree with you is yes and no.
How about a comparison between the Washington Wizards and the Maryland Nighthawks (http://www.marylandnighthawks.com/) (ABA)?

They are technically on the same level as leagues, but one is a lower level of competition.

[glenn__davis]

And to be honest, when you're a kid and you first start watching, you have no idea that Coppin, Loyola, or other schools even exist. All I knew was that there were schools called North Carolina, Florida State, etc. There was also one from Maryland, and since I lived in Maryland, they were who I rooted for.

Actually, back in the day, I liked Duke, too. They were good and had a cool name. Luckily I was wise enough to grow out of it. :002_sbiggrin:

[BmoreBoy]

This was supposed to be a thread about a simple game where the point was drinking large quantities of alcohol in an effort to get drunk and disorderly. Where did this bickering come from? ;)
Where did the bickering come from??? THE ALCOHOL YOU FOOL:002_stongue: !!!!

They had to drink so much that they've been drunk for almost a week now!

You should be flattered really.

[mskrulz]

Wow, you made it to the semi finals for the NIT...Way to go!! That is impressive!:rolleyes:

I will tell you what....When the Terps get to the point where their accomplishments are even 1/4 the accomplishments of Duke, then come talk to me.

BTW, i noticed how you dodged my question in the other thread about Duke being overrated.....Were they overrated when they made the Terps look like Coppin St?

You are a Duke fan AND an Oriole fan? I used to like you.

[Sports Guy]

You are a Duke fan AND an Oriole fan? I used to like you.

LOL....Sorry to dissappoint ya.

Frobby is too!

[Danielos38]

I would play, except I think I would be arrested for being completly wasted at age 14, and my mom would not be too happy.

[Pedro Cerrano]

I would play, except I think I would be arrested for being completly wasted at age 14, and my mom would not be too happy.


You only get arrested if you get caught...hehehe.

Ummm, underage drinking is bad.

[twoBshorty]

*soapbox*

For the most part, I love sports rivalries. Some of them are overblown, but they're usually overblown for a reason. I used to love the MD/Duke rivalry, except then it got out of hand. It actually sort of drove me away from MD basketball, and, shockingly, I find myself now more than able to sympathize with Duke in many cases.

I won't deny that there are some great stories here and a ton of fantastic games. But the whole thing has gone too far. I've watched and followed my share of MD home games against Duke, and the fan behavior has been absolutely appalling. Profanity I can deal with. I'm no angel in that department myself. However, it doesn't stop there. Some of the abuse I've heard hurled at the Duke players would make me cry. Physical threats, gay jokes, overly personal remarks...where's the line? I'm not sure about it in that area, but I know that making sexually explicit insults directed at J.J. Redick's 13-year-old sister is WAY beyond it. That's just sick and cruel. And making repeated harrassing phone calls to his cell phone at all hours of the night is illegal. When a rivalry turns into this, it's not a rivalry any more, because people have lost sight of the fact that it's JUST A GAME. It's a stain on the program. MD fans shouldn't be acting like that. It's just basketball.

/soapbox

[OrioleWay27]

Here are the rules I came up with today, brainstorming with a couple friends.

1 drink
• Mike Jones hits a 3-pointer
• Official time out
• Sideline report
• Lead change
• A shirtless Duke fan is shown

2 drinks
• A white Duke player chest bumps Sheldon Williams
• Every 10 points for each team
• Will Bowers checks into the game
• A Duke player fouls out
• Maryland’s 3-game winning streak vs. Duke is referenced

3 drinks
• Dick Vitale calls Coach K “Michelangelo”
• Duke’s ranking is referenced (including any reference to Maryland’s impressive all-time record vs. teams ranked #1)
• The proud Duke tradition of floor slapping (http://www.truthaboutduke.com/shop_20.jpg) is shown either on tape or during the game, or Wojo is mentioned by the commentators
• “Gone in Sixty Seconds” is referenced
• Coach K’s position as Team USA coach is referenced

4 drinks
• J.J. misses a free throw
• Dave Neil checks into the game
• Ross Perkins (http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=22727&SPID=1845&DB_OEM_ID=4200&ATCLID=152129&Q_SEASON=2005) checks into the game (this link best viewed in IE, at least for me)
• Coach K is seen uttering an obscenity (see the bottom of this (http://www.truthaboutduke.com/photo_real.php) page for examples)
• A Duke coed is deemed “doable” by at least 2 males in our group (or vice versa). Not including cheerleaders, although you could include them and it wouldn't affect anything.

5 drinks
• J.J. picks his nose (http://www.truthaboutduke.com/anim_nosepick.gif)
• Dick Vitale’s partner calls himself “lucky”
• Dick Vitale criticizes a Duke player/coach/play. Note: This does not include analysis of what went wrong (which is inevitable, since they’re playing Maryland). This is only to be used if Vitale voluntarily admits the fallibility of something related to Duke.
• "Speedo Man" (http://www.truthaboutduke.com/photo_realstu_dis.php?photoid=11) makes an appearance
• Shavlik Randolph, just for the heck of it, is charged with a foul

Any other ideas? :002_scool:

This is a good drinking game... you should add one more thing, though:

Maryland fans "shoot" themselves in the head once they realize they will never win another national championship again.

This event would be a wonderful thing for everyone involved! Just kidding!