Ngata is a Raven

[Sports Guy]

Ravens trade up with the Browns to get Ngata.

No details yet what else we gave up.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Nice pick.

Very nice pick.

[MurphDogg]

Cleveland picks up a 6 per Berman.

[Sports Guy]

Just had to give up a 6th rounder...Plenty of picks late, so this was a great move.

[BmoreBoy]

I like it, I like it.

[birdsfan4ever]

Great move, I thought we were giving up more but for a 6th its great. Whitner and Simms going early helped us.

[boog]

You guys are going to love Haloti's game. As an Oregon grad, I've had the pleasure of rooting for him the last three years. You've never seen a man that big move so quickly and with so much power. A steal at #13. Edit: At #12 I should say.

[TGO]

The 12th pick is worth 50 points above the 13th pick on the "Dallas chart." Our 6th rounders are valued in the 20s, so this was a good move.

[Mashed Potatoes]

I'm very happy. The question is where do we go next. Safety? OT? LB? Who would you guys like to see us get in the 2nd round?

[MCL1021]

You guys are going to love Haloti's game. As an Oregon grad, I've had the pleasure of rooting for him the last three years. You've never seen a man that big move so quickly and with so much power. A steal at #13.


Didn't the guy on the Draft special just question his quickness and power?

I like the pick because it address one of the areas we need, I guess it remains to be seen how it will go.

[TGO]

I'm very happy. The question is where do we go next. Safety? OT? LB? Who would you guys like to see us get in the 2nd round?

Best player available, pure and simple.

[MCL1021]

I'm very happy. The question is where do we go next. Safety? OT? LB? Who would you guys like to see us get in the 2nd round?

I think they go Safety, pretty deep pool there.

[birdsfan4ever]

I'm very happy. The question is where do we go next. Safety? OT? LB? Who would you guys like to see us get in the 2nd round?
Safety or OG, I hope they dont take a LB. The potential suprise pick being Brodie Croyle.

[boog]

Didn't the guy on the Draft special just question his quickness and power?

I like the pick because it address one of the areas we need, I guess it remains to be seen how it will go.

It seems to me that his only question marks are a knee injury that wiped out his sophomore year and a perceived lack of fire at times. On the knee, it didn't seem to bother him at all last year, so one hopes it won't be a factor in the future. But who knows? Knees always seem to be the first thing to go.

On the desire question, the guy lost both of his parents while at Oregon so you've gotta cut him some slack there. Early in the season Belotti called him out for playing lazy and he was a beast the rest of the year.

[markpolis]

Safety or OG, I hope they dont take a LB. The potential suprise pick being Brodie Croyle.

Croyle is a bum! He shouldn't even be drafted on Day 1.

[birdsfan4ever]

Croyle is a bum! He shouldn't even be drafted on Day 1.
I havent seen him enough to say, I just know they like him.

[Mashed Potatoes]

Darnell Bing, Dqwell Jackson, and Eric Winston tickle my fancy. One of them should be available for us.

[birdsfan4ever]

Darnell Bing, Dqwell Jackson, and Eric Winston tickle my fancy. One of them should be available for us.
I dont think any of them will be, I dont really like Bing and the Ravens upposedly dont either. Maybe Daniel Bullocks...

[OrioleMagic]

I guess I am in the minority here. I think it was a terrible pick. I don't have any problem w/ the trade... but Ngata was arguably NOT the best player available... Bunkley was even though he didn't fit w/ the Ravens. The ESPN analysts tore this pick apart even more than the surprise Buffalo pick... Ngata has intensity issues... Justice was the pick they should have made.

The biggest problem I have with this is Ray Lewis and the perception that the management catered to his wishes with this pick. The clip aired on ESPN just showed what an egomaniac he is. He didn't say near as much about the Ravens defense as he did about himself being the best at his position ever. He is good but Singletary and others are arguably better. I don't want to take anything away from Ray's on the field performance, but if the Ravens are going to win they need to be more balanced. This great D and horrible O will get them 6-10 to 10-6 records every year... They caught lightning in a bottle in 2000. Chances are it won't ever happen again.

Bad pick.

[birdsfan4ever]

I guess I am in the minority here. I think it was a terrible pick. I don't have any problem w/ the trade... but Ngata was arguably NOT the best player available... Bunkley was even though he didn't fit w/ the Ravens. The ESPN analysts tore this pick apart even more than the surprise Buffalo pick... Ngata has intensity issues... Justice was the pick they should have made.

The biggest problem I have with this is Ray Lewis and the perception that the management catered to his wishes with this pick. The clip aired on ESPN just showed what an egomaniac he is. He didn't say near as much about the Ravens defense as he did about himself being the best at his position ever. He is good but Singletary and others are arguably better. I don't want to take anything away from Ray's on the field performance, but if the Ravens are going to win they need to be more balanced. This great D and horrible O will get them 6-10 to 10-6 records every year... They caught lightning in a bottle in 2000. Chances are it won't ever happen again.

Bad pick.

Wasnt Mark Schlereth the only one who didnt like the pick?

If Justice was the best player available he wouldnt still be available.

Anyone who thinks we took Ngata to please Ray Lewis is mistaken, they couldve cut Ray Lewis months ago and Ngata wouldve been our pick.

[TGO]

Great article about Ngata: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2419206

Seems like a great guy who has come through hardship and is overall a great athlete (former rugby player, excels at blocking kicks).

[TGO]

Justice prepped for the combines to game his numbers and increase his stock. Judging from how far he has dropped now, it apparently hasn't fooled NFL teams.

[OrioleMagic]

If Justice was the best player available he wouldnt still be available.


I didn't say that he was the best player available. I said Bunkley was... I just feel the Ravens should ahve picked Justice. Maybe we will remember this conversation in a couple of years and be better able to see who was right. Regarding Ray... you are seeing this through purple tinted glasses...

[birdsfan4ever]

I didn't say that he was the best player available. I said Bunkley was... I just feel the Ravens should ahve picked Justice. Maybe we will remember this conversation in a couple of years and be better able to see who was right. Regarding Ray... you are seeing this through purple tinted glasses...
Trust me I dont own a pair of those. DT was a bigger need than RT on this team. I would get rid of Ray and wether we had him or not we wouldve take Ngata there. Justice and Bunkley arent better than Ngata in my opinion, they both boosted their stock at the combine, and I dont really like that, the combine gets you players like Boller.

[Mashed Potatoes]

I didn't say that he was the best player available. I said Bunkley was... I just feel the Ravens should ahve picked Justice. Maybe we will remember this conversation in a couple of years and be better able to see who was right. Regarding Ray... you are seeing this through purple tinted glasses...

Would you have been happy with Kelly Gregg and Justin Bannon as our two starting DTs?

[birdsfan4ever]

Would you have been happy with Kelly Gregg and Justin Bannon as our two starting DTs?
Yeah really, if Ray came out and criticized Boller and they traded up for Leinart or Cutler I wouldve said they are trying to please Ray. Saying that because they addressed one of their biggest need with the best guy on the board is a joke.

[OrioleMagic]

Would you have been happy with Kelly Gregg and Justin Bannon as our two starting DTs?

No, DT is a hole as well... I guess we will see how the O-line does this coming year.

[Sports Guy]

This team has been blown off the line the last few years. We needed a big fat guy.

This was a very good pick by us.

[Sports Guy]

No, DT is a hole as well... I guess we will see how the O-line does this coming year.


The thing is, there is still alot of draft left and we have young guys on the O-line that could develop into starters for us.

[OrioleMagic]

Yeah really, if Ray came out and criticized Boller and they traded up for Leinart or Cutler I wouldve said they are trying to please Ray. Saying that because they addressed one of their biggest need with the best guy on the board is a joke.

You are missing my point. The Ray Lewis comments were specific to a big DT keeping Ray free to roam the field. IMO, Ray wants to look good and having a great defense around him comes first to him.... This has nothing to do with a QB or any offensive player. Ray's comments were about himself being the best player at his position ever. Which would you rather have a top five defense and a 25-30 ranked offense or a top 15 offense and a top 15 defense where Ray has to man-up and take on some blockers like most other line-backers like Urlacher, Brooks, etc. ??????

[AgentOrange]

This team has been blown off the line the last few years. We needed a big fat guy.

This was a very good pick by us.


Haha, is this technical talk?!? :002_stongue:

[OrioleMagic]

The thing is, there is still alot of draft left and we have young guys on the O-line that could develop into starters for us.

This is true and if they can capitalize on mid-to-late round picks, I will concede the 1st round pick... I am not sold yet though.

[AgentOrange]

You are missing my point. The Ray Lewis comments were specific to a big DT keeping Ray free to roam the field. IMO, Ray wants to look good and having a great defense around him comes first to him.... This has nothing to do with a QB or any offensive player. Ray's comments were about himself being the best player at his position ever. Which would you rather have a top five defense and a 25-30 ranked offense or a top 15 offense and a top 15 defense where Ray has to man-up and take on some blockers like most other line-backers like Urlacher, Brooks, etc. ??????


Top 5 defenses can carry teams into the playoffs and once you are there, they win championships.

How many championships have the Colts won recently?

[Sports Guy]

This is true and if they can capitalize on mid-to-late round picks, I will concede the 1st round pick... I am not sold yet though.


You know why i am sold on it:

8 pro bowlers out of the 12 first round picks they have made and one of them, Clayton, may still be a pro bowler.

I will go with what the best drafting team in football believes.

[Hank Scorpio]

This team has been blown off the line the last few years. We needed a big fat guy.

This was a very good pick by us.

We would have been very intelligent to have re-signed Kemo.. imagine Ngata and Kemo on the interior!!! That woulda been about 700 pounds of brick.

Anyways, it was a smart pick and DeCosta was huge on Ngata. I'm sure he and Ozzie are both quite pleased. I gotta say, though - great job by Phil Savage to squeeze another pick out of us. I'm willing to bet he was gonna take that DE from FSU anyways.... just a hunch.

[Sports Guy]

We would have been very intelligent to have re-signed Kemo.. imagine Ngata and Kemo on the interior!!! That woulda been about 700 pounds of brick.

Anyways, it was a smart pick and DeCosta was huge on Ngata. I'm sure he and Ozzie are both quite pleased. I gotta say, though - great job by Phil Savage to squeeze another pick out of us. I'm willing to bet he was gonna take that DE from FSU anyways.... just a hunch.


Probably but we have no idea if another team was willing to trade up to get Ngata.

[Hank Scorpio]

We are in good hands with DeCosta, but Savage was the master. That guy knows how to put together a football team!! Oh, and Ozzie's okay, too ;).

[birdsfan4ever]

You are missing my point. The Ray Lewis comments were specific to a big DT keeping Ray free to roam the field. IMO, Ray wants to look good and having a great defense around him comes first to him.... This has nothing to do with a QB or any offensive player. Ray's comments were about himself being the best player at his position ever. Which would you rather have a top five defense and a 25-30 ranked offense or a top 15 offense and a top 15 defense where Ray has to man-up and take on some blockers like most other line-backers like Urlacher, Brooks, etc. ??????

No, you missed my point. My point is we filled one of our biggest holes which we tried to fill in free agency before any of this Ray Lewis talk. The only way I wouldve thought they drafted someone because of Ray is if he said something like we need a Qb and they took a QB, because we knew they werent going to do that before. Ray is being selfish, I agree and I would trade him for any pick we can get. Ngata helps this team more than Justice or Bunkley and Ray lewis didnt have any impact on my opinon or the Ravens choice. We have Pashos who we drafted a few years ago and Terry who we just took so taking an OT wasnt as big of a need. Obviously Justice is as highly thought of as we thought, its the 24th pick and he is still around.

[OrioleMagic]

Top 5 defenses can carry teams into the playoffs and once you are there, they win championships.

How many championships have the Colts won recently?

How many teams like the Ravens have won the Super Bowl in the last 6 years? UH... One the Ravens. The Pats are very balanced with few superstars on defense. The Steelers are much the same way. Look what happened to the Bears??? The Bears are the closest team to the Ravens... that I can think of. The Panthers has a better defense than offense but they had a QB and WR that were much better than Dilfer & co.

Balance wins championships. It can be sightly in favor of defense, but no offense like the current Ravens and no defense like the Colts before this past year and the Chiefs will win championships either..

ASk Bill Belichik...

[birdsfan4ever]

We would have been very intelligent to have re-signed Kemo.. imagine Ngata and Kemo on the interior!!! That woulda been about 700 pounds of brick.

Anyways, it was a smart pick and DeCosta was huge on Ngata. I'm sure he and Ozzie are both quite pleased. I gotta say, though - great job by Phil Savage to squeeze another pick out of us. I'm willing to bet he was gonna take that DE from FSU anyways.... just a hunch.
Kemo got way too much money and if we resigned him we wouldnt of drafted Ngata. We probably had to trade up because the Eagles or someone else was trying to get that pick to get Ngata too, not so much that they thought the Browns would take him.

[Sports Guy]

Let's not forget that Justice has some character questions, which is likely why he has dropped.

Keep that in mind.

[AgentOrange]

Here is from ESPN about the pick:

Scouts take: Baltimore had to trade up to make sure it could get Ngata, but it didn't have to give up much, and he is an excellent addition to the roster. Ngata possesses excellent size and is capable of protecting linebackers by occupying multiple blockers at the line of scrimmage. That should make MLB Ray Lewis more productive, help keep him healthy and, perhaps most importantly, help keep him happy. Though Ngata is a far better run defender than he is a pass rusher, he is a powerful bull rusher who has the burst to get to the quarterback. He will immediately replace Kelly Gregg as the starter opposite free agent signee Justin Bannan.

[OrioleMagic]

No, you missed my point. My point is we filled one of our biggest holes which we tried to fill in free agency before any of this Ray Lewis talk. The only way I wouldve thought they drafted someone because of Ray is if he said something like we need a Qb and they took a QB, because we knew they werent going to do that before. Ray is being selfish, I agree and I would trade him for any pick we can get. Ngata helps this team more than Justice or Bunkley and Ray lewis didnt have any impact on my opinon or the Ravens choice. We have Pashos who we drafted a few years ago and Terry who we just took so taking an OT wasnt as big of a need. Obviously Justice is as highly thought of as we thought, its the 24th pick and he is still around.

Regardless of who is missing who's point.. We dis-agree on the bigger need... If they can get McNeill or the like in the second round I may feel better about the pick.

[Baltimoron]

The Pats are very balanced with few superstars on defense. The Steelers are much the same way.

You don't watch much football, do you?

[AgentOrange]

How many teams like the Ravens have won the Super Bowl in the last 6 years? UH... One the Ravens. The Pats are very balanced with few superstars on defense. The Steelers are much the same way. Look what happened to the Bears??? The Bears are the closest team to the Ravens... that I can think of. The Panthers has a better defense than offense but they had a QB and WR that were much better than Dilfer & co.

Balance wins championships. It can be sightly in favor of defense, but no offense like the current Ravens and no defense like the Colts before this past year and the Chiefs will win championships either..

ASk Bill Belichik...

We are a Steve McNair away from the "balance" you are looking for.

Look at all the teams that won the championship... All of them had top 5 D's, even the Pats, they may not have had huge names, but the team Ds were very high.

[birdsfan4ever]

Regardless of who is missing who's point.. We dis-agree on the bigger need... If they can get McNeill or the like in the second round I may feel better about the pick.
Lets put it this way, DT and RT were both very weak. I think DT was a little bit of a bigger need and Ngata is better value at 13 than Justice. I hope Adam Terry doesnt turn out to be a bust.

[birdsfan4ever]

Here is from ESPN about the pick:

Scouts take: Baltimore had to trade up to make sure it could get Ngata, but it didn't have to give up much, and he is an excellent addition to the roster. Ngata possesses excellent size and is capable of protecting linebackers by occupying multiple blockers at the line of scrimmage. That should make MLB Ray Lewis more productive, help keep him healthy and, perhaps most importantly, help keep him happy. Though Ngata is a far better run defender than he is a pass rusher, he is a powerful bull rusher who has the burst to get to the quarterback. He will immediately replace Kelly Gregg as the starter opposite free agent signee Justin Bannan.

ESPN should do a little more research, Gregg isnt going to the bench Bannan is.

[Mashed Potatoes]

We needed a big fat guy.

Congrats SG, I know how much getting a big fat guy meant to you, perhaps the unhealthy obsession with them ends now?:002_ssmile:

[Sports Guy]

Congrats SG, I know how much getting a big fat guy meant to you, perhaps the unhealthy obsession with them ends now?:002_ssmile:


LOL...It has been a need for years. I am so tired of watching our 290-300lb DT getting blown up off of the line.

Not just for Ray but for Scott and Thomas or anyone else.

We needed that big guy up front.

[OrioleMagic]

You don't watch much football, do you?

??? :confused: ???

Both the Patriots and the Steelers are known for TEAM play. Yes they field Pro-Bowlers...
The Pats had four linebackers that did everything Belichik wanted. The Ravens lately are the Ed Reed or the Ray Lewis Show... that is what I meant.

[birdsfan4ever]

LOL...It has been a need for years. I am so tired of watching our 290-300lb DT getting blown up off of the line.

Not just for Ray but for Scott and Thomas or anyone else.

We needed that big guy up front.
Exactly, I heard a rumor that if they couldnt get Ngata Rex Ryan was going to start next to Kelly Gregg. ;)

[Sports Guy]

??? :confused: ???

Both the Patriots and the Steelers are known for TEAM play. Yes they field Pro-Bowlers...
The Pats had four linebackers that did everything Belichik wanted. The Ravens lately are the Ed Reed or the Ray Lewis Show... that is what I meant.


Really? You mean the show that didn't include Ray for most of the year and Reed for half the year and STILL finished 5th in defense?

[OrioleMagic]

We are a Steve McNair away from the "balance" you are looking for.

Look at all the teams that won the championship... All of them had top 5 D's, even the Pats, they may not have had huge names, but the team Ds were very high.

I like this idea very much. and your last sentence is exactly what I meant when I used the term "superstars".

[OrioleMagic]

Really? You mean the show that didn't include Ray for most of the year and Reed for half the year and STILL finished 5th in defense?


It was just a generalization to explain what I meant in comparing Ravens D vs. Pats and Steelers.

[Mackus]

Any chance Justice falls all the way to us in the 2nd round, or that we move up to get him.

[Sports Guy]

Any chance Justice falls all the way to us in the 2nd round, or that we move up to get him.

With all of our second day picks, i think you could se us move up. Definitely a chance of that.

[Mackus]

Steelers just had to add a 3rd and 4th to move up from 32 to 25, not a good precedent if we are trying to move up from 44 to probably around 30 would cost us at least that much. Not sure if its worth it.

[birdsfan4ever]

Steelers just had to add a 3rd and 4th to move up from 32 to 25, not a good precedent if we are trying to move up from 44 to probably around 30 would cost us at least that much. Not sure if its worth it.
We would need him to fall into the early 2nd round I think, and the Texans wont pass him up.

[Mashed Potatoes]

John McCargo! I think Justice may drop to pick 33 now, the Texans need help desperately on their offensive line. I wonder what it would take to move up 11 spots. 2 4th rounders?

[Mackus]

We'd probably have to move up to 32 to get him, but now that the Giants have traded down once already to that spot, I don't know if they'd do it again. Might be easier to move up to 31 and grab him, not sure what it'd cost though.

[BaltimoreTerp]

How many teams like the Ravens have won the Super Bowl in the last 6 years? UH... One the Ravens. The Pats are very balanced with few superstars on defense. The Steelers are much the same way. Look what happened to the Bears??? The Bears are the closest team to the Ravens... that I can think of. The Panthers has a better defense than offense but they had a QB and WR that were much better than Dilfer & co.

Balance wins championships. It can be sightly in favor of defense, but no offense like the current Ravens and no defense like the Colts before this past year and the Chiefs will win championships either..

ASk Bill Belichik...
Last team to win a Super Bowl with an offense that was any real measure better then their defense was St. Louis the year before us.

It isn't about "superstars", it's about the team with the best defense. The Patriots, the Buccaneers, and the Steelers all had fantastic defenses to go along with decent-to-good offenses.

Balance is important, but to minimize the effect defense has on the game of football gets you second-round play-off exits.

[Mackus]

Texans take a linebacker instead of Justice. We should really think about moving up and getting him.

[Sports Guy]

Texans passed him up....Saints probably take him though, as they thought about Ferguson.

[birdsfan4ever]

The Texans could have Bush and Justice, not a good draft for them so far IMO.

[Sports Guy]

Looks like Cleveland traded up with the Saints...Be interesting to see what the had to give up. It will give us a good indication what we would need to do to move up.

[Sports Guy]

The Texans could have Bush and Justice, not a good draft for them so far IMO.


They got 2 very good defensive players.

They have had a good draft..You can argue that it could have been better but it has not been a bad draft.

[Mashed Potatoes]

Browns pass on Justice!!! Jets don't need him. Lets give up a 4th and a 6th and move up to Green Bay's 36th pick.

[Sports Guy]

Browns pass on Justice!!! Jets don't need him. Lets give up a 4th and a 6th and move up to Green Bay's 36th pick.


Jets traded with the Skins.

[Mackus]

Cleveland moves up to get D'Qwell with the 34th pick.

Wonder what they had to give up to move up. They had the 43rd pick, right before us, so it'll be interesting to see what tis gonna cost if we want to move up a bit and get Justice.

[Sports Guy]

The Browns and Skins have traded up in the second round and are taking forever...So annoying...Had to trade up for a reason.

[Sports Guy]

Browns traded Faine and their 2nd rounder...That doesn't help us.

Washington moved up 18 spots by giving up a 6th and 2nd for next year.

[TGO]

Skins take LB McIntosh! Gotta call GB and see what they want for their pick here.

[Mackus]

The Redskins gave up a ton to move up and didn't even get the player they likely wanted - D'Qwell.

[Sports Guy]

We may trade up but guys, ever think the Ravens just don't want Justice?

They may be looking for a safety here.

[Mashed Potatoes]

I would've loved to have traded for Faine. I wouldn't mind seeing Jimmy Williams dropping to us either. Him and Reed together would give us a sick secondary.

[TGO]

We may trade up but guys, ever think the Ravens just don't want Justice?

They may be looking for a safety here.

I don't think they want a high-level OL as much as some of the fans do. I think they're content with the development of Rimpf, Brown, Terry, and Pashos.

That being said, Justice has to be one of the top guys left on their board right now.

[birdsfan4ever]

They got 2 very good defensive players.

They have had a good draft..You can argue that it could have been better but it has not been a bad draft.

Mario Williams is a stud and Ryans is good. So no they didnt have a bad 2 rounds so far, couldve been much better IMO.

[TGO]

Pats just traded up to GB's spot.

[Mackus]

Good pick for the Patriots there, I wonder what they gave up to move up.

[Baltimoron]

I don't have any problem w/ the trade... but Ngata was arguably NOT the best player available... Bunkley was even though he didn't fit w/ the Ravens. The ESPN analysts tore this pick apart even more than the surprise Buffalo pick... Ngata has intensity issues... Justice was the pick they should have made.


That was astute analysis from Mark Schlereth, he criticizes Haloti Ngata for not being enough of an impact player and the first play Schlereth breaks down to prove this point:

A play where Ngata is being double teamed by USC’s offensive line while a middle linebacker from Oregon steps up into the hole created by Ngata drawing the double team and stuffs Reggie Bush for no gain.

Thats what he is supposed to do, Mark.

Regarding the trade: Check this NFL draft value chart (http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/pick_value_chart.htm). #12 is worth 50 more than #13, and #181 is worth only 20.

Cleveland can say they were just bluffing regarding the Eagles moving up and got who they wanted plus a 6th round pick, but the Browns got less than a universally accepted and standard value indicator suggests they should have. They left money on the table and established a precedent for giving in and getting the short end of negotiations. But Ozzie is still friends with Phil.

[Mashed Potatoes]

I dont think Denver or Oakland would take Justice. Trading up 6 spots to Detroit shouldn't be too costly.

[Mashed Potatoes]

Corey Patterson 3 run dinger!!!! We are Fing up FHer.

[Sports Guy]

NE gave up a third rounder BUT they had to move up 16 spots.

We can move up now by giving up a 4th rounder.

[Sports Guy]

Corey Patterson 3 run dinger!!!! We are Fing up FHer.


Batting 7th...

[Sports Guy]

I suspect that if the Ravens trade up it will be for Jimmy Williams, who i believe can slide to safety.

[birdsfan4ever]

Javon Walker traded to Broncos

[Mashed Potatoes]

Batting 7th...

Haha, loving it!

[Sports Guy]

Wow..Packers traded Javon Walker for a second rounder and then the Packers trade the pick to Atlanta.

Great move by Denver.

[TGO]

I suspect that if the Ravens trade up it will be for Jimmy Williams, who i believe can slide to safety.

I don't think he'll get past Detroit, since they apparently wanted Huff in round 1.

GB just moved back up. EDIT and traded it to Atlanta.

[Sports Guy]

I don't think he'll get past Detroit, since they apparently wanted Huff in round 1.

GB just moved back up.


HE goes to Atlanta.

[birdsfan4ever]

Atlanta just took Jimmy Williams

[MurphDogg]

I suspect that if the Ravens trade up it will be for Jimmy Williams, who i believe can slide to safety.

J-Dub played safety through his sophomore year, he didn't switch to corner until his junior year. That said, he too has some baggage, I like him at safety but he took some plays off at corner last year.

[Mashed Potatoes]

No more Jimmy, a 4th rounder should be just about enough to move up 6 spots.

[MurphDogg]

Atlanta just took Jimmy Williams

Atlanta is just accruing former Hokies, unbelievable, has about 6-7 ex-Hokies now.

[Sports Guy]

Eagles predictably take Justice, a guy they looked at drafting in the first round.

[birdsfan4ever]

Winston Justice to the Eagles who just traded up.

[Mackus]

Dammit, I think we should have traded up to get him. Did they say what the Eagles gave up?

[Mashed Potatoes]

Philly just pooped on my dreams. Still some very good players left. McNeil, Winston, Bing, that Fresno State corner.

[Sports Guy]

Could the Ravens draft LenDale White?

[TGO]

Could the Ravens draft LenDale White?

It's gotta be him or a DB at this point.

[Mackus]

Bollocks! Detroit just took Bullocks.

Didn't really want him, just wanted to say that.

[Sports Guy]

Eagles gave up a 4th rounder.

[Mackus]

It cost the Eagles a 4th to go from 45th to 39th. I would definitely have matched that trade.

[Mashed Potatoes]

What about Max Jean Giles? I think he would be a steal here, first round ability.

[Sports Guy]

If the Ravens stick to their best available policy, Lendale White could definitely be the pick here.

Jamal may only have a one year deal.Anderson is probably gone after this year.

[Sports Guy]

Or could we see Croyle or Clemens here?

[Mashed Potatoes]

If we draft Croyle I'm gonna walk outside and start punching people. There are so many great value picks available right here.

[birdsfan4ever]

We traded with the Giants,hopefully it gets us back into the 3rd round again.

[Sports Guy]

We traded down.

[Mackus]

All the way down to 56th, better have gotten at least a 4th.

[birdsfan4ever]

All the way down to 56th, better have gotten at least a 4th.
Hopefully we gave a later pick and got their 3rd rounder.

[Mashed Potatoes]

What the hell was this trade!?!?!?!?!? Why won't ESPN tell us?

[birdsfan4ever]

What the hell was this trade!?!?!?!?!? Why won't ESPN tell us?
Seriously, and why is Jim Brower coming in to pitch...Crap, its a Ravens thread, oh well...;)

[birdsfan4ever]

What the hell was this trade!?!?!?!?!? Why won't ESPN tell us?

We got their 3rd rounder!!! Its #87 overall and their 2nd rounder, I dont know if that is the whole trade or not.

[TGO]

NFL.com's draft tracker says we got a 3rd round pick, but I can't tell if we also gave up a later round pick.

[birdsfan4ever]

NFL.com's draft tracker says we got a 3rd round pick, but I can't tell if we also gave up a later round pick.

I just checked we gave our 2nd for their 2nd and their 3rd.

#44 for #56 and 87

[Mashed Potatoes]

Great trade then! I think we can get 3 players who start right away from this draft. Get Eric Winston and Darnell Bing por favor. Can we trade Brower and a 4th for another 3rd? Actually, I would give Brower and a 4th away for free just to get him off the damn team.

[birdsfan4ever]

44 is worth 460 points

56 is worth 340 and 87 is worth 155, a total of 495.

We Win!

[TGO]

#44 = 460 points
56+87 = 495 points

Looks like we win again based on sheer numbers. Let's hope the actual players come out in our favor.

[OrioleMagic]

Great trade then! I think we can get 3 players who start right away from this draft. Get Eric Winston and Darnell Bing por favor. Can we trade Brower and a 4th for another 3rd? Actually, I would give Brower and a 4th away for free just to get him off the damn team.

This I wholeheartedly agree with. hopefully Winston will still be on the board.

[TGO]

44 is worth 460 points

56 is worth 340 and 87 is worth 155, a total of 495.

We Win!

Great minds...

[Mashed Potatoes]

Philly just pooped on my dreams. Still some very good players left. McNeil, Winston, Bing, that Fresno State corner.

I always trust our draft team but wouldn't it be nice to have McNeil at RT right now? http://www.chargers.com/news/headlines/mcneill-tabbed-afc.htm

I love enormous maulers on the line.