Heroes

[Tank]

New show on NBC, Mondays at 9pm. I heard somewhere it was suppose to be NBC's Lost. I missed the first episode, but I want to give this show a shot. Any thoughts on it?

[Witchy Chick]

I enjoyed it. There are a bunch of people who discover they have powers. About half of the group is based in NYC, but have barely crossed paths (Nathan is a politician, and his brother Peter is a nurse). Both seem to have powers -- although it's hotly debated as to what those powers are, and which brother has which power. The daughter of one of Peter's patients is involved with an artist (Isaac, I think). The artist creates precog paintings -- but he is only able to do it when he's high. Those are all the NY peeps, I think. A couple degrees of separation between some of them.

The other Heroes we've met so far are: Claire, an indestructible cheerleader in Texas, I think. Hiro (who is my new favorite character -- think Hurley on LOST) is a Japanese salesman who can apparently manipulate time and/or teleport. As of this most recent ep, I believe he is in NYC now (teleported right into Times Square naturally ;)). Niki is an Internet stripper who lives in Las Vegas with her young son. Not sure what her "power" is, but it seems she has a doppleganger who can kick some serious a$$.

Since the show is still in its early stages, you can probably start watching it without having to know much more than I've just given you. :D Oh -- there are supposed to be some other Heroes, but they have not been in any episodes yet.


Witchy

[Baroquen131]

Just an FYI - the whole first episode is available online at NBC.com.

[orioles119]

And it will be re-aired on USA Network on Monday, 10/3 @ 11 PM.

[Tank]

Thanks Witchy. I'm going to DVR the first two episodes tomorrow while I'm working, then watch them both tuesday. So I should be ok. Can't wait to see this and especially the first episode for this seasons Lost.

[Tank]

I watched the first 2 episodes last night on DVR. I liked what I saw so far. I like how they're not just using all cliche powers. Niki's, Hiro's, and Isaac's powers are all pretty original. This is definitely a show I'll continue to watch all season. Although, I find it hard to believe that they would have 2 people with the same powers. (The flying brothers) I think there is something else going on with that. My favorite character is probably the artist, even though you didn't see much of him so far, and it looks like he dies in the future. (Unless they can change what is supposed to happen). Can't wait until next weeks episode.

[Tank]

Anybody watch this weeks episode? This show gets better and better every episode IMO. The ending to this weeks episode was crazy. I'm starting to love this show like I started to love Lost after the first 3 episodes.

[Lt Melmo]

I missed ep. 3. Can anyone give me a rundown of what happened? Or does nbc.com have it for download or something...

[Jimmy The Greek]

I missed ep. 3. Can anyone give me a rundown of what happened? Or does nbc.com have it for download or something...

I am pretty sure you can watch it on NBC.com - just go to their site for it and I think there will be a link to "watch the latest episode".

In my opinion, they need to get the characters in the same place soonish, because the show is way too fragmented jumping from character to character.

[PaulFolk]

I'm hooked on this show. And it's pretty much the only new show this fall that's actually getting good ratings, so that's a plus.

[Lt Melmo]

I cannot wait to see the character development in Hiro... :D MAN he was badass.

[Jimmy The Greek]

I'm hooked on this show. And it's pretty much the only new show this fall that's actually getting good ratings, so that's a plus.

Me too. The first two episodes I was on the fence (despite my childhood spent as a comic book nerd), but now I am hooked. It does not quite have the hold on me that Lost has, but it's one of few shows I can't wait for each week.

[Witchy Chick]

Just an FYI for anyone who hasn't seen all of the episodes, NBC will be airing rebroadcasts of three episodes on October 22 (http://www.nbc.com/Schedule/schedule_day-20061022.shtml). Those episodes are "Don't Look Back" (episode 2), "One Giant Leap" (episode 3), and "Collision" (episode 4, last night's ep).


Witchy

[Mackus]

I'm digging this show as well. I think I figured out what Peter Petrelli's power was while driving to work this morning.

Hiro, in addition to being the coolest character, has, by far, the greatest power. I loved when he showed up on the Subway with the samurai sword on his back. He's going to be a complete badass.

My only complaint about the show is that it has been a little predictable so far. Not in terms of huge storyline developments, but mostly in the script and a few other small things. About 3-4 times an episode I actually say the next line outloud to my buddy who watches with me before they say it. Hey, maybe thats my superpower?

[Tank]

It looks like tonight's episode is going to be really good. It looks like the heroes get together in some way and we find out about "save the cheerleader...save the world".

[Baroquen131]

So I thought tonight's episode was really good. The high school showdown was a little anticlimactic, and I don't have a lot of in the Jessica storyline.

....Spoiler-ish....



But, was it just me or did the previews make it look like they're taking the whole series back in time sixth months? If so, that looks really cool. I certainly didn't see that coming... .interesting narrative device.:)

[PaulFolk]

I thought the episode was a little too boring until the last 20 minutes or so, which kicked major arse.

Man, Sylar is supposed to be this big tough bad guy...and tiny little Eden takes him down through the power of suggestion. I guess we know the guy isn't immune to other people's powers.

[Lt Melmo]

Anticlimactic is right... they built it up to be this huge event that a bunch of the heroes had some part in, but just Peter?
And please, jailtime? Everyone knows Walks-Through-Walls guy(forgot name?) will just bail him out.

[ejf1025]

I thought the episode was a little too boring until the last 20 minutes or so, which kicked major arse.

Man, Sylar is supposed to be this big tough bad guy...and tiny little Eden takes him down through the power of suggestion. I guess we know the guy isn't immune to other people's powers.

Or was that even Sylar...?

The previews seem to suggest that he may not have been Sylar.

[ejf1025]

Anticlimactic is right... they built it up to be this huge event that a bunch of the heroes had some part in, but just Peter?
And please, jailtime? Everyone knows Walks-Through-Walls guy(forgot name?) will just bail him out.

Possible...but there are other options.

His brother is a politician so they could play on that angle, Hiro could always do his time travel gig (unlikely), Claire could always just take the simple route and testify on his behalf, Eden's power of suggestion (or does that only work on others with powers?), the cop and his FBI friend could get involved.

Lot of ways they can go...

[Jimmy The Greek]

Was there anyone in America who saw that first scene with the painting and didn't know right there and then that Peter was going to use Claire's power?

[Mackus]

Was there anyone in America who saw that first scene with the painting and didn't know right there and then that Peter was going to use Claire's power?
My only critique of this show is that it is very predictable. I do like it though, just wish they got a little more creative with some of it.

[Art Wing]

I think the overall critique that the show is too predictable is very intentional. The premise is just like a comic book-good vs. evil and superpowers.

I've enjoyed the show thus far.

[DuffMan]

Has anybody else been watching this show at all? I didn't watch it all this fall, but I've had a little extra time with Lost being on it's extended break. A friend of mine told me that they had all 11 episodes available on nbc.com for viewing. I just finished watching the 11th episode today. Heroes is a pretty darn good show to me it's like X-MEN meets Lost. There's some goody stories and interesting characters and I think I'm going to continue watching when their episodes start back up on Jan. 22nd.

[Tank]

Yes, I have been watching this show. I love it, its my second favorite show next to Lost. Good analogy by the way, it does feel sort of like a mix of X-Men and Lost. Lost is still my favorite show, but Heroes is my favorite new show this season and has quickly moved up my list. I can't wait for the 22nd. I also can't wait for February 7th. I hate this time of year when it comes to non-sports TV.

[DuffMan]

Yeah I like the pace of the show. I'm definitely not as hooked on it as Lost, but I like the good balance between the action and mystery. I'd say my favorite character right now is Peter (the one that can absorb powers).

[orioles119]

I'm abandoning this show unfortunately for 24. I won't be home on most Monday nights in February and March and 24 will be my TiVo priority. As for Heroes, I will be downloading the shows off of iTunes.

[PaulFolk]

I'm abandoning this show unfortunately for 24. I won't be home on most Monday nights in February and March and 24 will be my TiVo priority. As for Heroes, I will be downloading the shows off of iTunes.
TiVo doesn't let you record more than one thing at once? Man. That's cheap.

[beaner]

TiVo doesn't let you record more than one thing at once? Man. That's cheap.

Of course it does, I wondered the same thing. Jim, why can't you TIVO both?

[orioles119]

Of course it does, I wondered the same thing. Jim, why can't you TIVO both?
Not my TiVo. :(

[beaner]

Not my TiVo. :(

Wow, I didnt know there were TIVO'S that couldnt tape at least two. Sorry to hear that. That being said, I would have chosen 24 as well.

[Baroquen131]

Wow, I didnt know there were TIVO'S that couldnt tape at least two. Sorry to hear that. That being said, I would have chosen 24 as well.

I'll be watching (or taping) 24 also. But honestly... don't we all know how that's going to go down? Terrorists will threaten the country, Jack will interrogate someone brutally, there "WON'T. BE. ENOUGH. TIME." to do things by procedure, someone will die unexpectedly, and (I'm going out on a limb here....) probably at least one car chase, gunfight and explosions. :p

But yeah, I'm enjoying Heroes. Because it's still a new series, it feels like anything could happen. Even Lost has lost that luster, where it seems like some of the "moves" they make are simply for shock value. /shrug They're all good shows though. They pass the time. :002_ssmile:

[Mashed Potatoes]

BEAT THE COLTS.....
SAVE THE WORLD!!!!!!!

[square634]

Heroes tonight, who's excited? ::raises hand::

Anyway, if anyone wants to read a few spoilers (they don't really ruin anything but just a few interesting things that are going to happen in the second half of the season) read this interview (http://www.wizarduniverse.com/television/heroes/002880960.cfm)by Tim Kring.

I love this show, it's definitely my new favorite even though I was skeptical at first (and still haven't seen the first episode!)

[orioles119]

I'm excited, but I'll be buying it off of iTunes because of 24.

[square634]

It's free on nbc.com if you want it.

[Tank]

I thought it was pretty good episode coming off the break. Should be interesting with the new character and the heroes starting to meet up.

[PaulFolk]

I'm looking forward to seeing the invisible man. Or not seeing him, as the case may be.

[DuffMan]

Yeah, I also thought it was a good episode. My only question about the show so far is with Peter Patrelli. When he confronted Sylar a few episodes back, how come he didn't absorb his powers, he seemed to just let him push him off the building??? It seems like he doesn't know what powers he absorbs when he's around other mutants.

[Tank]

Yeah, I also thought it was a good episode. My only question about the show so far is with Peter Patrelli. When he confronted Sylar a few episodes back, how come he didn't absorb his powers, he seemed to just let him push him off the building??? It seems like he doesn't know what powers he absorbs when he's around other mutants.

He probably did absorb Sylar's powers, but he also probably didn't know what Sylar's powers were or how to use them. He has to know what powers he has absorbed before he can use them, unless its something like a healing factor or telepathy, then he doesn't really have to do anything to use them. I'm sure he will learn how to control his powers more as the show moves along.

[PaulFolk]

He probably did absorb Sylar's powers, but he also probably didn't know what Sylar's powers were or how to use them. He has to know what powers he has absorbed before he can use them, unless its something like a healing factor or telepathy, then he doesn't really have to do anything to use them. I'm sure he will learn how to control his powers more as the show moves along.
I don't think that's true. Peter seems to automatically absorb and use people's powers, even if he doesn't know they have them. He didn't know the invisible guy was invisible, but he used the power anyway. Same thing with Matt's mind-reading power.

[Mackus]

He probably did absorb Sylar's powers, but he also probably didn't know what Sylar's powers were or how to use them. He has to know what powers he has absorbed before he can use them, unless its something like a healing factor or telepathy, then he doesn't really have to do anything to use them. I'm sure he will learn how to control his powers more as the show moves along.
I think the biggest mistake the show has made so far was not to have a ridiculously sweet fight between Sylar and Peter in the high school. I was so freaking pumped for that when they were standing on opposite ends of the hallway and then Peter just ran away. It was more disappointing than finding out Santa Claus wasn't real.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted By Mackus
I think the biggest mistake the show has made so far was not to have a ridiculously sweet fight between Sylar and Peter in the high school.


I agree with you on that one I was expecting a big time showdown. Perhaps this is something that could happen down the road.

Anyone else watch Monday's episode? I thought it was pretty good. It was cool to meet Claire's mom and see her power, I wonder what her dad's power is going to be. I also really like the invisble man and I hope he can teach Peter to control or hone his power. I'm also eager to see Hiro interact with his father (played by George Takei)

Finally my ownly beef with this show is Micah. I can't stand that kids character at all!

[CrimsonTribe]

He probably did absorb Sylar's powers, but he also probably didn't know what Sylar's powers were or how to use them. He has to know what powers he has absorbed before he can use them, unless its something like a healing factor or telepathy, then he doesn't really have to do anything to use them. I'm sure he will learn how to control his powers more as the show moves along.

My question is, what are Sylar's actual powers? It seems like his true power is the ability to figure out how things work and to "fix" them. Once he figures out how another person's power works by looking in their brain, he can "fix" himself internally to use that power. But are these imported powers ones that Peter can absorb? Or can he only absorb the natural powers that arise genetically?

[square634]

My question is, what are Sylar's actual powers? It seems like his true power is the ability to figure out how things work and to "fix" them. Once he figures out how another person's power works by looking in their brain, he can "fix" himself internally to use that power. But are these imported powers ones that Peter can absorb? Or can he only absorb the natural powers that arise genetically?

That's a good point. Sylar didn't originally have the poewr of telepathy and only got it by killing the other guy. Sylar and Peter absorb powers in different ways that may not be compatible.

[orioles119]

Finally my ownly beef with this show is Micah. I can't stand that kids character at all!

The whole Jessica/Niki part of the show seems out of place. She should have stuck with the webcam, keeping Ando happy.

[CrimsonTribe]

The whole Jessica/Niki part of the show seems out of place. She should have stuck with the webcam, keeping Ando happy.

I agree. Is it really a power to have a split personality?

[PaulFolk]

I agree. Is it really a power to have a split personality?
Her power is super strength.

[CrimsonTribe]

Her power is super strength.

Makes sense. But does only Jessica have it? Or does Nikki just not know she does? You'd think Nikki would have figured out that she has it.

[PaulFolk]

Makes sense. But does only Jessica have it? Or does Nikki just not know she does? You'd think Nikki would have figured out that she has it.
The last episode (or was it two episodes ago?) implied that Niki has the power as well. There was the scene at the prison where she asked the guard if she could hug Micah, and the guard came at her with the nightstick, and she grabbed it and snapped it in half. It wasn't clear whether she became Jessica at that moment, but it looked like she was still Niki. She looked like she was shocked at what she had done.

My guess is that both Niki and Jessica have super strength, but Jessica has figured out how to use it and Niki hasn't.

[CrimsonTribe]

The last episode (or was it two episodes ago?) implied that Niki has the power as well. There was the scene at the prison where she asked the guard if she could hug Micah, and the guard came at her with the nightstick, and she grabbed it and snapped it in half. It wasn't clear whether she became Jessica at that moment, but it looked like she was still Niki. She looked like she was shocked at what she had done.

My guess is that both Niki and Jessica have super strength, but Jessica has figured out how to use it and Niki hasn't.

I forgot all about that scene. That's a good catch. All she has to do is learn how to use her power (which shouldn't be hard) and control Jessica (which should be hard).

[DuffMan]

O snap what an episode!!!!!!
This weeks episode was like 100 times better than last weeks!!!! I'd say Peter is definitely still my favorite character and I really like the invisible guy! And how about who Claires father is? What a shocker!!!!!!!!!!

[Witchy Chick]

When the reveal about Claire's father happened, all I could think was "If this was LOST, we'd have to wait for Season 3 for that info!!!" :p

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Just in case



I'm trying to figure out how these people got their powers, and when the powers manifested. It seems hereditary -- Peter, Nathan, Claire are all related by blood; Claire is daughter to Nathan and ______; Niki and DL have power, as does their son. Do Nathan's two boys (with his wife Heidi) have power? Or no (because Heidi seemingly has no power)? It's been hinted that Mohinder's sister had some power -- but Mohinder doesn't (yet)? Seems like there's no rhyme or reason to this -- and I like to figure things out. :D

Initially, the show made it seem like these powers manifested about the same time as the eclipse. However, Claire must have had her power at ~ 18 months (to survive the house fire). And, if that's the case, the power never manifested in her subsequent 16 years? Nathan's had his power for at least 6 months (since the car accident that paralyzed his wife). How long ago did Niki/Jessica kill Linderman's men (the skeletons in the desert)?

I'm really interested to see some backstory the older generation of characters -- Nathan and Peter's father, Simone's father, Mohinder's father, Linderman. I wonder if there's some connection between those folks -- and that connection helps to explain the "how" of this storyline.


Witchy

[PaulFolk]

SPOILER SPACE (although if you haven't watched the episode yet, what are you doing on the Heroes thread anyway?)





Great reveal at the end. Unfortunately, I knew it was going to be Nathan, because I noticed Adrian Pasdar's name in the opening credits and he hadn't appeared in the episode yet. Curse my keen observational skills!

I hope we haven't seen the last of George Takei. I was hoping there'd be more to that storyline, but maybe there will be.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted By PaulFolk
Great reveal at the end. Unfortunately, I knew it was going to be Nathan
O man dude that's tough. I definitely thought that was awesome. I'm looking forward to next's week episode. I also read somewhere that George Takei is going to be around more in Season 2 when they go into Hiro's background some more.

It will also be nice when we get to see some more background info on the characters.

Now if Lost can answer as much tommorow as Heroes did yesterday!! (According to Entertainment magazine there are actually suppose to be answers)


My only complaint about last nights episode was the need to include Micah, and Jessica/Nikki. I wish they would just go away!

[Witchy Chick]

SPOILER SPACE (although if you haven't watched the episode yet, what are you doing on the Heroes thread anyway?)





Great reveal at the end. Unfortunately, I knew it was going to be Nathan, because I noticed Adrian Pasdar's name in the opening credits and he hadn't appeared in the episode yet. Curse my keen observational skills!

I hope we haven't seen the last of George Takei. I was hoping there'd be more to that storyline, but maybe there will be.

I might be wrong on this, but I think all of the regulars are listed whether they appear or not. Was Greg Gunberg (Matt) listed in the opening credits? Or Sendhil Ramamurthy (we didn't see Mohinder last night, did we?)? (I don't think we even had Mohinder's voiceover at the end of the ep.) Even so, the Nathan reveal was somewhat obvious (especially if anyone saw this tidbit (http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp?uuid=b1545e43-94b7-4a20-9d36-50599849cc99&page=4) from Kristin from E!). (I don't hit Kristin's site on a regular basis, but I saw this blurb posted.......somewhere.)

I also thought it was clever that Isaac couldn't "find" Peter in any of the paintings Isaac did........because Peter was invisible. :D It took me a little bit to "get" that. heheheh


Witchy

[CrimsonTribe]

When the reveal about Claire's father happened, all I could think was "If this was LOST, we'd have to wait for Season 3 for that info!!!" :p

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Just in case



I'm trying to figure out how these people got their powers, and when the powers manifested. It seems hereditary -- Peter, Nathan, Claire are all related by blood; Claire is daughter to Nathan and ______; Niki and DL have power, as does their son. Do Nathan's two boys (with his wife Heidi) have power? Or no (because Heidi seemingly has no power)? It's been hinted that Mohinder's sister had some power -- but Mohinder doesn't (yet)? Seems like there's no rhyme or reason to this -- and I like to figure things out. :D

Initially, the show made it seem like these powers manifested about the same time as the eclipse. However, Claire must have had her power at ~ 18 months (to survive the house fire). And, if that's the case, the power never manifested in her subsequent 16 years? Nathan's had his power for at least 6 months (since the car accident that paralyzed his wife). How long ago did Niki/Jessica kill Linderman's men (the skeletons in the desert)?

I'm really interested to see some backstory the older generation of characters -- Nathan and Peter's father, Simone's father, Mohinder's father, Linderman. I wonder if there's some connection between those folks -- and that connection helps to explain the "how" of this storyline.


Witchy

Don't forget that invisible guy said that he had been doing it for 15 yrs. And also that Claire's real mom probably set the fire (accidentally?) 16 yrs ago.

[PaulFolk]

I might be wrong on this, but I think all of the regulars are listed whether they appear or not. Was Greg Gunberg (Matt) listed in the opening credits? Or Sendhil Ramamurthy (we didn't see Mohinder last night, did we?)?
I knew someone would ask that. No, the opening credits do not list all of the regulars. They only lists the ones that appear in the episode. Grunberg and Ramamurthy were not listed last night, nor was Leonard Roberts (since D.L. didn't appear).

That's how they've done it all season. I always keep a close eye on the credits so I know which characters will appear in the episode and which won't. I'm not sure why I need to know this, exactly, but there you have it.

[Lt Melmo]

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I thought it was quite sweet that Peter and Claire turn out to be related. The way they seemed to have this mutual admiration for each other when they met, and the way Peter was describing how he made her feel, it's something that only really only exists either in romantic relationships(which would be borderline creepy) and family. Peter's probably my favorite character, and he seems like the type of guy who needs someone like Claire to look after, and I really hope they build on that dynamic in the future.

[square634]

And, if that's the case, the power never manifested in her subsequent 16 years?

Maybe her DNA only expressed the power after a period of time, or her body hadn't learned to control it (even though it seems to be involuntary). Or perhaps the Haitian guy has been erasing her memory prior to the start of the show. It seems to be hinted that HRG has been involved with the heroes for a while.

From what Tim Kring has said, the actual science/origins are sorta fluid so I guess we just have to take what is explained at face value.

[Tank]

Great episode. I saw the big reveal coming a mile away, but it was still a cool development.

I side with the theory that Claire has had the ability all her life, but HRG has had the Haitian erase her memory, a la her mom.

I'm not so sure Claude is helping Peter to not blow up the world. It seemed like with the revelation of how his powers work, he loses control. Maybe he saw Claude in his dream because he was the cause of the explosion? I don't know, hopefully not because I like Peter's character alot.

Parkman is my favorite character and it looks as though he gets thrown out of a window next episode from the previews...

[DuffMan]

Meh! Were the Heroes writers hanging out with the writers of Lost, b/c tonights episode was a whole lotta nothing? At least Parkman didn't get killed though.

[square634]

I liked this episode, it was probably the best action sequence so far. I still don't understand what Jessica/Nikki's role really is in the show, however.

[Witchy Chick]

Meh! Were the Heroes writers hanging out with the writers of Los, b/c tonights episode was a whole lotta nothing? At least Parkman didn't get killed though.

Yeah, me too. I loves me some Greg Grunberg!!! :D I was not happy, though, that he pocketed the diamonds. It's interesting how some of the Heroes are changing (and not necessarily for the better). Speaking of which -- what was up with Nathan's mom last night? In earlier eps, she didn't seem as nasty. Just kinda flighty, but obviously loves her boys. She was just harsh to Nathan. I don't get it.

Jessica seemed genuinely surprised when Parkman mentioned Niki. Can he "hear" Niki's thoughts while Jessica is in control? Seriously, though, they need to be moving that Niki/Jessica storyline along.

I wonder what Sylar's DNA sample would show? Mutated/combo DNA of all the folks he's killed? It's going to be difficult for anyone to bring Sylar down. From earlier scenes, it seems he can already manipulate guns/bullets (Matt shooting him at the safehouse, HRG shooting him in the Bennet kitchen). Now, he's got the "melting metal" gift. Maybe Meredith becomes a Hero and can toss a fireball his way. Let's hope Sylar never gets Claire's "walk thru fire" ability.

Seems like the Haitian dove a little too deeply into the mind of Mrs. Bennet. Or else they've wiped her memory one too many times. I have a feeling Claire is going to go off on HRG soon. Her biological mom is just using her existence for a meal ticket, her biological dad doesn't want to have anything to do with her, her adopted mom no longer remembers her, and her adopted dad is keeping secrets and is responsible for adopted mom's "memory" issues. That kid has a lot of crazy crap going on.

With February sweeps in full swing, and only two weeks (Heroes-time) until the NYC blowup -- I expect the next 3 or 4 shows are going to kick butt. Pleeeeeease don't turn this show into LOST!! Resolution, we needs some resolution!!


Witchy

[square634]

I was not happy, though, that he pocketed the diamonds.

It was his only option. He was already stupid to say what he did and climb back through the window. If he had shown them the diamonds they would have arrested him for sure.


Can he "hear" Niki's thoughts while Jessica is in control?

That was my understanding.


Mutated/combo DNA of all the folks he's killed?

That's what I'd guess as well. I bet it has something to do with his final downfall.

[Tank]

I thought this was a weak episode. Not much happened. I think next week will be a great one though. "Someone Flies, Someone Dies" with Greg Beeman directing.

They obviously want you to think Nathan will be the one to die (by the way, I guessed Jessica's next target would be him right before she opened her papers), but I'm going to guess it'll be DL or Micah trying to stop her that gets killed, which leads to some kind of solution with the split personality issue.

[Baroquen131]

I'm guessing Claire's adopted mom dies. Maybe the cop's wife, due to his shady actions? I'm not sure if we're going to get an "a-list" death next week.

[DuffMan]

I don't think Nathan's going to get killed off yet. I'm sure they want to have some interaction between him and Claire. Too bad Peter doesn't know that Claire is his niece then he could take care of her! I'm hoping that Niki/Jessica is the one that gets killed off!! I still can't stand her character I was hoping Parkman was going to take her down last night! It was cool to see a couple of "Heroes" use their powers to outwit each other.

As far as Sylar goes his character is definitely creepy, in a way that's good for the show. (He reminds me of Ben from Lost in how shady he acts). As far as him being unstoppable though I don't think he is. I eventually see a major showdown one day between Peter and Sylar. As long as Peter understands his powers better he will be able to go toe to toe with Sylar.

I'm also a little bothered with Hiro right now though. Are they ever going to give him his power back??

Also when are we going to see anymore of the guy that has radioactive powers. The last we saw him he was hiding in the desert.

[square634]

I'm guessing the Haitian guy will die because HRG finds out what he did. I don't think the death will be related to the really main storyline either.

[Lt Melmo]

I would put all of my money on Ando dying.

[square634]

I would put all of my money on Ando dying.

Aww, I like the Hiro/Ando combo. Also, I believe they released somewhere that it was going to be a hero who died (which would eliminate Ando barring some unexpected twist that would take a few episodes to develop anyway).

[Witchy Chick]

Aww, I like the Hiro/Ando combo. Also, I believe they released somewhere that it was going to be a hero who died (which would eliminate Ando barring some unexpected twist that would take a few episodes to develop anyway).

They did? Hmmm -- well that shoots my theory of Mrs. Bennet going nutty (nuttier?) and committing suicide.

If it's a "hero" who bites it, my money is on Isaac. Remember when Hiro time-traveled, he saw that "Mr. EEEE-sock" had been Sylar-ized. Plus, losing him would open up further romantic possibilities for Peter and Simone.


Witchy

[Lt Melmo]

Aww, I like the Hiro/Ando combo. Also, I believe they released somewhere that it was going to be a hero who died (which would eliminate Ando barring some unexpected twist that would take a few episodes to develop anyway).
Check out the NBC synopsis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unexpected_%28Heroes%29) of the episode. The preview also shows Ando being shot at, and then Hiro's eyes widening in disbelief. And really, Ando's a character who will inevitably die, doing something heroic most likely. His only real purpose besides being a foil for Hiro was as a translator, and Hiro has a pretty good grasp on English now.

[PaulFolk]

My guess is that Simone will die. My understanding was that the death would be someone from the main cast, but not necessarily a hero. Simone fits that description, and she's expendable. They haven't found many ways to incorporate her into the show.

[OrangeJerseys]

I liked last night's episode. I was under the impression that last night's was the episode where a hero died and that it was the metal melter that Sylar killed. It really bothers me that Sylar is going to go with the Dr. Suresh.

[square634]

I think they also said that the hero that dies is one who was there since near the beginning of the show...

I was perusing that Kristin E! site that Witchy posted, and I found this quote.

Sort of spoilery though...
















A Hero Is Still Gonna Die: There's one person you probably think they would never kill off because of his or her special role on the series. But what if there were someone who could instantly absorb that person's special role? Crap—now I've said too much. Shutting up now!

That sounds like either the Haitian or Isaac to me because those two have the "special roles" of erasing memories and painting the future. It does seem to be more like Isaac to me, and Peter may not have been close enough to absorb the Haitian's power (he might have to meet him again).

The one reason why I think it can't be Isaac is that Isaac appears in the scene where Peter blows up (I believe he is holding Simone back), whereas I don't remember the Haitian being there. I don't think any of the characters in that scene can die yet, but we'll see.

[Lt Melmo]

The Haitian actually makes sense, in that case. Presumably, Claire is gonna let loose on her dad and tell the truth, which opens up a new can of worms for her once HRG realizes she needs to be memory cleared again. Killing him off resolves that, and if Peter absorbs the power, then it's no problem for Claire. Or Sylar will do it. Makes sense to me.

[Baroquen131]

It seems to me that Hiro/Ando are this show's version of C3PO and R2-D2. They wander around commenting on events but not ding much.

He really needs to get his powers back, or start working that trench-coat wearing future self. As of now, Hiro's going to waste.

(Anyone else read the blip that he was added to the series as an afterthought as comic relief? Think it was in EW.)

[Tank]

I could see it being Isaac and/or Ando.

Isaac because Peter could conceivably take over his powers and Ando because it would be a reason for Hiro to get his powers back (which needs to happen soon!).

[Tank]

Should be a good episode tonight. Here's an interview with some writers for a pre-show snack:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9712

[DuffMan]

Yes last weeks episode did a lot of setting up so I'm hoping that some action and answers are in order tonight.

[DuffMan]

Pretty darn good!! I almost thought that the someone dies was just going to be a cop out and it was just going to be the chick killed by Sylar. (man his character is creepy!) Peter is definitely my favorite character seeing him control his powers even more is awesome. All though how come they weren't subdued by the Haitian guy???? I'm definitely excited to see what's going to happen with Parkman, the radioactive dude, HRG and the rest of his family.

[weams]

I think they also said that the hero that dies is one who was there since near the beginning of the show...

I was perusing that Kristin E! site that Witchy posted, and I found this quote.

Sort of spoilery though...

















That sounds like either the Haitian or Isaac to me because those two have the "special roles" of erasing memories and painting the future. It does seem to be more like Isaac to me, and Peter may not have been close enough to absorb the Haitian's power (he might have to meet him again).

The one reason why I think it can't be Isaac is that Isaac appears in the scene where Peter blows up (I believe he is holding Simone back), whereas I don't remember the Haitian being there. I don't think any of the characters in that scene can die yet, but we'll see.



Can we just kill off Arod and have Mevin absorb his "special" powers for a couple of years?

[Mackus]

Awesome episode tonight, maybe the best one yet. I love that Peter is becoming sweet.

Almost glad they killed of Simone, her character kind of annoyed me. I hope we don't have to deal with too much of Peter greiving, because he's finally becoming badass.

[square634]

Well, I could not have been more wrong with my prediction. I swear Simone was in that dream sequence, which means it must not mean anything. Oh well.

[Witchy Chick]

Well, I could not have been more wrong with my prediction. I swear Simone was in that dream sequence, which means it must not mean anything. Oh well.

The dream sequence where radioactive Peter blows up? I think you're right -- I do remember seeing Simone in that (she was screaming, and Isaac was holding her back from going to Peter). Interesting.

Aside from Claire and Jessica, the chicks aren't faring too well on this show. Eden kills herself so Sylar can't get her power, Charlie (the girl with the photographic memory) gets killed by Sylar, Niki has been "imprisoned" by Jessica, Dale (the super-hearing chick from last night) gets killed by Sylar, Mrs. Bennet is going nutty, and Simone is shot by Issac. Whew!

"Unexpected" was a very good episode. I like the turn that that Bennet family has taken. HRG realizing that continued mind-wipes from the Haitian are not the best thing for people (especially people he loves), Claire going into rebellious protective mode. Good stuff.

It seems like Peter can "absorb" powers once-removed. Sylar absorbed the telekinesis from _______, Peter absorbed it from Sylar. I wonder what other powers Sylar had (at the Homecoming confrontation) that Peter might have absorbed. I can't remember -- did Peter ever meet Ted (radioactive guy)? Or did he (possibly) absorb those powers via Parkman? Could Peter have absorbed Niki's powers (via her relationship with Nathan)? Eden's and/or the Haitian (via Isaac)? SUCH possibilities!! :)

I think Isaac may go off the deep end (again) because of his role in Simone's death. Not only did he shoot her, but he insisted she keep the key to his apartment. If he had just taken the key back, she would've had to knock......and wouldn't have been shot. Peter and Isaac are going to be much more adversarial IMO.

The cemetery scene with Ted was wild -- the roses and grass where he was standing just......dying away. I bet he would be one to take Mohinder's "inhibiter" (if he develops one).

Hopefully, Claude doesn't stay away too long. I really like that character!


Witchy

[Mackus]

Who else loved the Stan Lee cameo, btw?

[Witchy Chick]

Who else loved the Stan Lee cameo, btw?

*raises hand*

:D


Witchy

[Tank]

Awesome episode. Definitely one of my favorites so far. Peter could end up being the best character in TV history if he keeps this up. I thought Hiro was funny all night. Parkman, Hana, and Ted are in an interesting situation. No signs of Niki/Jessica, DL, or Micah.... so it was a great episode overall.

Next week is the last episode before another break, so it should be another top shelf episode.

[PaulFolk]

My guess is that Simone will die. My understanding was that the death would be someone from the main cast, but not necessarily a hero. Simone fits that description, and she's expendable. They haven't found many ways to incorporate her into the show.
Nailed it!

(Hey, I'm so rarely right about anything, let me enjoy this :002_sbiggrin: )

[DuffMan]

Damn! This show just keeps getting better!!! It's as good as Lost was in season 1!!!

[PaulFolk]

That was a heck of an episode. This is the first time they've ever focused on only one plotline in an episode, and it worked. Jack Coleman rocks--he makes his character creepy and sympathetic at the same time.

Great ending. Did HRG have the Haitian erase all his memories of Claire? Maybe just the last few years? It'll be interesting to see what happens there.

One thing I didn't understand--how was George Takei involved in all this? He's the one who gave the baby to HRG. Does that mean he's in charge of the whole mutant-kidnapping conspiracy?

[Tank]

Awesome episode, maybe even better than last week's. They gave us so much to chew on. I can see why they thought Claude was dead...

I thought this was going to be the last episode before the second break, but its actually the next episode that is. So it should continue the quality of late.

[square634]

Well based on the preview of next week, Simone isn't dead, which makes sense because she has to be there in the Peter blow-up scene. I wonder if she has some sort of power or just a bulletproof vest or something.

[Jimmy The Greek]

Well based on the preview of next week, Simone isn't dead, which makes sense because she has to be there in the Peter blow-up scene. I wonder if she has some sort of power or just a bulletproof vest or something.

But.. but... but... someone will fly someone will die... :confused:

[Lt Melmo]

I heard from some supposedly leaked info that her special power is that she can be reborn over and over again, like a Phoenix. I hope this isn't true, cause her character is obnoxiously lame, and what could she do with that power anyway?

[square634]

someone will fly someone will die

The super-hearing woman died. Maybe the slogan was a trick?

[Tank]

Or maybe her coming back to life is just part of one of Peter's dreams. We know he got the dreaming power from Simone's dad, maybe he has some sort of dream where that happens and it tells him something he needs to do. I sure hope she really isn't not dead (that sounds bad), but if she is alive I feel confident the Heroes writers can make it work.

[PaulFolk]

Well based on the preview of next week, Simone isn't dead, which makes sense because she has to be there in the Peter blow-up scene. I wonder if she has some sort of power or just a bulletproof vest or something.
Ack! Spoiler space, please. Some of us don't watch the previews because they give too much away.

That said, I'm 99% sure that Simone is dead. The actress has already done interviews basically saying, "Yep, my character's dead." Having not seen the preview you're talking about, I'm guessing it was either a dream sequence, or perhaps she goes to the hospital before she dies.

[Mackus]

Just watched this episode last night, and thought it was fantastic. This show keeps getting better. It worked really well how they only dealt with one storyline last night, although I hope they don't continue to do that.

It'll be interesting to see what role Hiro's dad still plays in the Paper Company.

[Jimmy The Greek]

April 23rd???? I hate these breaks.

[Baroquen131]

Great episode last night. A number of "high spots" that I wasn't expecting. The break is going to be tough. But then, I need to catch up with "24" anyway. :002_sbiggrin:

[Jimmy The Greek]

Great episode last night. A number of "high spots" that I wasn't expecting. The break is going to be tough. But then, I need to catch up with "24" anyway. :002_sbiggrin:

What's nice is that the creator recently said in an interview (don't have a link, unfortunately...) that this season's storyline would be wrapped up at the end of the season, and then season 2 would be a brand new storyline. So I think this show is less in danger of having to be stretched out and going a bit stale like Lost (where they really have to have one continuous storyline from season to season). It seems like it's going to be more like 24, where each season is independent, and thus they don't have to worry about stretching things enough to last seven seasons or whatever.

I like the pace the show is moving with - it was a bit slow and disjointed at the beginning of the season, when they were introducing the characters and everyone was separated, but it is really coming together and the last few episodes have been great.

[PaulFolk]

That said, I'm 99% sure that Simone is dead. The actress has already done interviews basically saying, "Yep, my character's dead." Having not seen the preview you're talking about, I'm guessing it was either a dream sequence, or perhaps she goes to the hospital before she dies.
You see? Even though it wasn't a dream sequence or a hospital scene, my basic premise was correct--Simone was really, truly dead. You gotta trust me, people. :p

[square634]

You see? Even though it wasn't a dream sequence or a hospital scene, my basic premise was correct--Simone was really, truly dead. You gotta trust me, people.

Yup you were right!

The thing I am most curious about right now is what powers Nathan and Peter's parents had/have. Seeing as the Haitian seems to be working for their mom, she probably knows more about this stuff than she is letting on.

Since Simone is dead, and Peter (and possibly Sylar eventually) have Isaac's power, what does Isaac add to the plot at this point?

[Jimmy The Greek]

You see? Even though it wasn't a dream sequence or a hospital scene, my basic premise was correct--Simone was really, truly dead. You gotta trust me, people. :p

The way your predictions have been going in this thread, I'm not too sure you're not writing the show. ;)

I could tell that chick was a shapeshifter from the moment she complimented Mrs. Bennett on her hair.

[Tank]

Awesome episode. Its a shame we have to wait 6 weeks for the next one.

This was the first episode in a while that didn't annoy me when Nikki/Jessica/DL were on the screen. So much stuff happened in last night's episode, I guess they don't want to fall into the criticism lost gets.

[Witchy Chick]

Since Simone is dead, and Peter (and possibly Sylar eventually) have Isaac's power, what does Isaac add to the plot at this point?

I'm thinking along the same lines you are. I bet Isaac is the next to die. We have Hiro's flash-forward (where he saw Isaac Sylar-ized). We have Isaac pre-cog painting himself Sylar-ized. We have Isaac with no other Hero ties (now that Simone is dead). Peter has the pre-cog painting power (ooooo -- alliteration!! :D), and if Isaac does get Sylar-ized, Sylar would have it too.

I'm really looking forward to this final chapter of the Heroes season.


Witchy

[Jagwar]

I've been thinking about the upcoming encounter between Sylar and Peter. Here is my best recollection of the powers they have assumed

Peter:
Flying
Invisibility
Healing
Hiro stuff
Mind Reading
Future Painting

Sylar:
Telekinesis
Melting Stuff
Enhanced Hearing

Did I miss anything? Does anyone else think this is a mismatch in Peter's favor from a power perspective? (expecially since he now will have Sylar's abilities). However, Sylar has much more control of and willingness to use his abilities.

I think Peter ends up healing himself, turning invisible, and flying Suresh out of there.

[Mackus]

I've been thinking about the upcoming encounter between Sylar and Peter. Here is my best recollection of the powers they have assumed

Peter:
Flying
Invisibility
Healing
Hiro stuff
Mind Reading
Future Painting

Sylar:
Telekinesis
Melting Stuff
Enhanced Hearing

Did I miss anything? Does anyone else think this is a mismatch in Peter's favor from a power perspective? (expecially since he now will have Sylar's abilities). However, Sylar has much more control of and willingness to use his abilities.

I think Peter ends up healing himself, turning invisible, and flying Suresh out of there.
Sylar has a ton more powers than just those, those are just the one's we've seen him absorb on-camera. Peter should be able to use anything Sylar has though. Its still too early in the series for Sylar to be completely defeated, so I think you're right that he either wins the fight or Peter just tries to escape with Suresh. I kinda hope Suresh is dead though. I could see the "fight" being that Sylar cuts open Peter's head and sees how he does everything, and then leaves, thinking Peter is dead, but then he'll regenrate and be alive, only now Sylar also has all the powers Peter had at that point.

[Objectivity]

Sylar has a ton more powers than just those, those are just the one's we've seen him absorb on-camera. Peter should be able to use anything Sylar has though. Its still too early in the series for Sylar to be completely defeated, so I think you're right that he either wins the fight or Peter just tries to escape with Suresh. I kinda hope Suresh is dead though. I could see the "fight" being that Sylar cuts open Peter's head and sees how he does everything, and then leaves, thinking Peter is dead, but then he'll regenrate and be alive, only now Sylar also has all the powers Peter had at that point.


The only problem with Suresh dying is that he's the narrator of the show. That seems to imply job security. Plus, if the good heroes become organized they're going to need someone to be in charge. Who better than the person who knows the most about their abilities but doesn't appear to have any of his own.

[Jagwar]

The only problem with Suresh dying is that he's the narrator of the show. That seems to imply job security. Plus, if the good heroes become organized they're going to need someone to be in charge. Who better than the person who knows the most about their abilities but doesn't appear to have any of his own.

So Sylar would become their own Professor X? ;)

I really don't think Sylar will assume Peter's abilities. If he did, I'm really not sure how the writers would ever be able to come up with a scenario where someone beats him. He would be able to be invisible, to fly, to heal, to read minds, to move things, to know the future... I think Sylar will fail to get Peter's power, similar to his failed attempt to get Claire's healing power.

[DuffMan]

Is anyone else going through Heroes withdrawal while waiting for the new episodes to come back on???????

[square634]

Is anyone else going through Heroes withdrawal while waiting for the new episodes to come back on???????

Yes, definitely! I haven't gotten into 24, and without MNF there's nothing to watch!

[Jagwar]

Is anyone else going through Heroes withdrawal while waiting for the new episodes to come back on???????

absolutely. However, I came into the series late in the game, and took some time to go to nbc.com to watch the series from the beginning.

I still can't wait to see the Peter/Sylar encounter :D

[Baroquen131]

I think both Peter/Sylar's absorbing powers are unbalanced, and am expecting some sort of negating for one or both of them by the end of the season (be it some kind of weird mutation, reaction, or something more mundane like death). We'll see though. The waiting is tough.

[DuffMan]

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/video/video_display.shtml#mea=80720

In case anyone is interested there's a new one min preview of things to come in the final 5 episodes of the season. Looks like there's some possible spoilers shown too. Highlight to read

From the preview it seems like Issac is going to bite the big one. And it appears that Suresh is telling Peters mom that he's dead, although I don't believe that for a second. (if they do kill him off though I"m not going to be happy)

[Tank]

Here is the episode review from Entertainment Weekly's "What to Watch":






SPOILER SPACE








Heroes left off seven weeks ago with Peter and Suresh in grave danger, Claire on Granny's doorstep, and Matt in the pokey. What do you need to know now? First, you and I must be the only people on the planet who don't have superpowers. Second, someone dies. I'd dish about who and how, but I fear your wrath. Third, next week's episode takes place entirely in the future. Sweet! A-

[Witchy Chick]

BUMP -- to remind everyone that Heroes returns tonight!! :D


Witchy

[OrangeJerseys]

I'm so stoked. I haven't actually liked a tv show in a long time.

[Tank]

I can't wait. Only 5 more episodes, hopefully they're all packed with action.

[square634]

Last night's episode was OK, but not spectacular. Next week's looks like it will be cool, though because it is set entirely in an alternate future.

I am curious as to what powers Nathan's parents had (or have in his mother's case).

[Objectivity]

Last night's episode was OK, but not spectacular. Next week's looks like it will be cool, though because it is set entirely in an alternate future.

I am curious as to what powers Nathan's parents had (or have in his mother's case).

Did you catch the "method of death" that was quickly foreshadowed in one of the sketches and shown in the preview as well?

I thought it was a pretty good episode, my only two complaints were that I was screaming at the TV to remove the glass the entire time. That is a pretty flimsy power if you can't heal until that happens.

Second, I get the impression that they're trying too hard to make a point with Issac. He went over the top saying two or three times that he's accepted that he can't change the future, then the next episode is going to be all about how the future can be changed.

[Jagwar]

Do we need SPOILER SPACE?













I was really disappointed with the Sylar/Peter confrontation. It was built up as a major fight, then Peter is felled with a piece of glass, and Sylar is defeated by... Mohinder with a chalkboard?

So, what is the significance of the new way that Sylar painted Nathan in the White House compared to how Isaac had painted him? Did Sylar essentially change the future by killing Isaac?

[Witchy Chick]

Did you catch the "method of death" that was quickly foreshadowed in one of the sketches and shown in the preview as well?

Nooooo. Tell me. Please?


I thought it was a pretty good episode, my only two complaints were that I was screaming at the TV to remove the glass the entire time. That is a pretty flimsy power if you can't heal until that happens.

Well, I fell for it. LOL I thought Peter was dead. Good thing Claire "remembered" her own death, and was able to save Peter. I kinda like that caveat. Maybe that's how they stop Sylar. Something gets embedded in his head, and they just leave it there. :D


Second, I get the impression that they're trying too hard to make a point with Issac. He went over the top saying two or three times that he's accepted that he can't change the future, then the next episode is going to be all about how the future can be changed.

I wonder how much of that "can't change the future" was a psych-out on Sylar. Didn't Isaac also say "they catch you"?? Ergo, no matter what Sylar does, the future (him being caught) will not change. Although, I don't buy into "the future can't be changed." Yoda said it best -- "Always in motion is the future." ;)


Here are my quick (and verbose) thoughts and observations:
I was a little concerned for Mohinder’s well-being when Linderman did the beginning voiceover to start the show. Still am, actually.

Interesting word choice by Linderman when he was showing Nathan the paintings – he said the “artists” (plural). Are there other Heroes with Isaac’s ability to paint the future? :confused:

Lots of hints as to a past generation of Heroes. I wonder if Mama Petrelli has a power?

Isaac’s death was a bit Christ-like (arms spread, hands/feet impaled). Also, I’d be willing to bet that the info Sylar is looking for is in the sketch book Isaac gave the messenger guy. (I totally missed the foreshadowing, too, of the final 9th Wonders installment being called “Hiro in the Future”.) Clever.

Seems like Sylar didn’t get Isaac’s painting talents in full. I don’t know how the hell he will ever be able to interpret that mish-mash he calls “painting.” :p

How in the hell is Hiro allowed to meet up with his future (Samurai) self? Isn’t that, like, a rip in the space/time continuum or something like that?

Micah can tell the difference between Jessica and Nikki, but he can’t tell when someone is impersonating Mom? I honestly thought it was Jessica, by how she was talking/acting. And Micah would not go anywhere with Jessica.

I’m confused by Sylar’s voice change when he “commands” someone to do something. Does he have Eden’s power or not? It seems like “not” because Isaac was able to reach for the gun. So, why the voice change?

The timeline Hiro and Ando found is very interesting. Since they have to go back and “fix” something, that timeline is very handy. ;)

Is the Haitian still running around? Did we see him at the Petrelli place last night?


Witchy

[Jagwar]

Great insight and questions Witchy



Well, I fell for it. LOL I thought Peter was dead. Good thing Claire "remembered" her own death, and was able to save Peter. I kinda like that caveat. Maybe that's how they stop Sylar. Something gets embedded in his head, and they just leave it there. :D

Sylar doesn't have healing power, right? If he gets killed, he stays dead



I wonder how much of that "can't change the future" was a psych-out on Sylar. Didn't Isaac also say "they catch you"?? Ergo, no matter what Sylar does, the future (him being caught) will not change. Although, I don't buy into "the future can't be changed." Yoda said it best -- "Always in motion is the future." ;)


I don't buy it either. Why would Sylar's painting of Nathan in the White House differ so much from Isaac's?



Lots of hints as to a past generation of Heroes. I wonder if Mama Petrelli has a power?

Notice that she didn't answer Claire's question, "So you're like me?"



Isaac’s death was a bit Christ-like (arms spread, hands/feet impaled). Also, I’d be willing to bet that the info Sylar is looking for is in the sketch book Isaac gave the messenger guy. (I totally missed the foreshadowing, too, of the final 9th Wonders installment being called “Hiro in the Future”.) Clever.


You're correct, Sylar wants the sketch book, but now that he can paint the future himself, why should he care?



How in the hell is Hiro allowed to meet up with his future (Samurai) self? Isn’t that, like, a rip in the space/time continuum or something like that?

These guys must not have heard what Doc Brown told Marty in Back to the Future ;)


I’m confused by Sylar’s voice change when he “commands” someone to do something. Does he have Eden’s power or not? It seems like “not” because Isaac was able to reach for the gun. So, why the voice change?

Seems like it is just dramatic effect.


The timeline Hiro and Ando found is very interesting. Since they have to go back and “fix” something, that timeline is very handy. ;)

I am looking forward to the new "future" that exists as a result of Peter saving Claire, and now Sylar killing Isaac.

[Jagwar]

Witchy, what did you think of the confrontation between Peter and Sylar? Did you find it a little disappointing?

[Witchy Chick]

Sylar doesn't have healing power, right? If he gets killed, he stays dead

You're right. I don't know why I was thinking he had acquired that power during the "Save the Cheerleader" confrontation at Homecoming. D'oh. :o


I don't buy it either. Why would Sylar's painting of Nathan in the White House differ so much from Isaac's?

One thing I can think of, Sylar doesn't have painting skills. Even without the pre-cog aspect, Isaac was a painter. Sylar may have the pre-cog part, but not the ability to actually paint. (Although this theory was somewhat shotdown by a co-worker who pointed out that Peter painted much like Isaac.) Maybe Sylar's mind is just mush, and that's how he "sees" things? :confused:


You're correct, Sylar wants the sketch book, but now that he can paint the future himself, why should he care?

This is where I think things get kinda metaphysical (I think that's the right word). Is the future really the future that Issac painted/sketched? Is it already pre-determined? Or, do the choices the characters make now affect how the future plays out? For example, changing something now (like saving Claire) -- does that change the future that Isaac saw (and painted/sketched)? If so, the future Isaac saw is not necessarily accurate anymore. But, does Sylar realize that? Could be he's after a sketchbook of future events that will not happen now.

I think I missed part of the Sylar/Mohinder/Peter fight. But, yeah, I was kinda perplexed that Sylar was knocked out so easily. And for such a lengthy period of time that Mohinder was able to get a "dead" Peter out the door and over to the Petrelli place. Speaking of which -- Mohinder looked reasonably OK when Mama Petrelli answered the door. I mean, he looked a bit shocked and his hair was askew -- but he sure didn't look like he had just been wounded and hanging from a ceiling!!


Witchy

[Jimmy The Greek]

Witchy, what did you think of the confrontation between Peter and Sylar? Did you find it a little disappointing?

I thought it was disappointing, but so was the first one (in Texas). They'll probably have another showdown and it will be awesome :)

[Jagwar]

This is where I think things get kinda metaphysical (I think that's the right word). Is the future really the future that Issac painted/sketched? Is it already pre-determined? Or, do the choices the characters make now affect how the future plays out? For example, changing something now (like saving Claire) -- does that change the future that Isaac saw (and painted/sketched)? If so, the future Isaac saw is not necessarily accurate anymore. But, does Sylar realize that? Could be he's after a sketchbook of future events that will not happen now.


Exactly. Remember after Peter saves Claire, Hiro meets Peter on the subway and says "I didn't recognize you without your scar." Could the absence of the scar have been a result of Hiro contacting Peter, meaning that Claire is saved, Peter gets the healing power, no longer can get scars...

It can drive you nuts. The old paradox... if I go back in time to kill my grandfather when he is a child, then my father is never born, and I am never born. But if I am never born, how do I ever go back in time to kill my grandfather? :confused:

[Mackus]

I mean, he looked a bit shocked and his hair was askew -- but he sure didn't look like he had just been wounded and hanging from a ceiling!!
I'm not sure he was hanging from the ceiling, it could have just been that Sylar was "holding" him up there with his telekinesis. That would explain how he got down (fell) when Sylar changed his attention to Peter.

[Lt Melmo]

1. For clarification, Sylar doesn't have Eden's power, because she shot herself in the head. Right?
2. Peter's "death" was about as useless as it comes. How could anyone not know he was alive? The exact same thing happened to Claire already.
3. Instead of psyching everyone up by saying every other week that "This episode, someone will DIE!" they should make it a tad more honest and say, "This week, someone will DIE! who you already knew was going to die for like five episodes, or who has absolutely no impact on the plot."
4. Sylar couldn't stop a chalkboard? Super-hearing, telekenesis, scary voice... none of these powers were working?
5. I can't freaking wait for next week.

[DuffMan]

Yes this episode was a little below my expectations, especially the battle between Peter and Sylar, although I did read in TV Guide that this is just the precursor to a much bigger battle between the two. (which will happen this season).

As for if Nathan and Peter's mom having any powers, I had a thought that maybe her power is that she can sense all other peoples powers.

[Mackus]

1. For clarification, Sylar doesn't have Eden's power, because she shot herself in the head. Right?
2. Peter's "death" was about as useless as it comes. How could anyone not know he was alive? The exact same thing happened to Claire already.
3. Instead of psyching everyone up by saying every other week that "This episode, someone will DIE!" they should make it a tad more honest and say, "This week, someone will DIE! who you already knew was going to die for like five episodes, or who has absolutely no impact on the plot."
4. Sylar couldn't stop a chalkboard? Super-hearing, telekenesis, scary voice... none of these powers were working?
5. I can't freaking wait for next week.The super-hearing power was a big mistake by the writers, IMO. If its as intense as was displayed in the episode, theres absolutely no way Sylar would be able to live and stay in NYC. His brain would explode from the overwhelming sounds.

[Jimmy The Greek]

The super-hearing power was a big mistake by the writers, IMO. If its as intense as was displayed in the episode, theres absolutely no way Sylar would be able to live and stay in NYC. His brain would explode from the overwhelming sounds.

Unless he learned to control it, unlike Dale who never could. It seems like a running theme that Sylar is able to really master the powers he steals to an extent the person he stole it from never could - like the telekinesis guy could barely move a cup across a table, and Zane had no control over what he melted. My guess is that Sylar hadn't yet figured out how to control it when he first stole it, but by now has figured it out. Maybe foreshadowing that stealing powers makes him vulnerable for a little while, and that's how he's stopped?

[square634]

Well the woman with super hearing said that at first she had terrible headaches, but then it became useful once she could control it to an extent.

[DuffMan]

Damn! Now that was a great episode!!!! So many cool things going on tonight I'm not even sure what the best part was.

[square634]

Great, great episode.

[Jagwar]

Is there anyone else who was more interested in the fight in the hallway than the chaos inside the room with Mohinder and Hiro? ;)

One more thing... what is the proper protocol for avoiding spoilers? Is it ok to discuss whatever we want in here?

[orioles119]

Enjoyed it. With the return of Heroes, last week and no iTunes with my desktop (which I now have back) in the shop, I watched Heroes live and 24 off the TiVo. I did the same this week and enjoyed the alternate (we hope) future.

[PaulFolk]

Bleepin' awesome episode. Easily the best of the season. In fact, I'd say it's the best episode of any show I've seen in a while-- and I watch a lot of shows.

Heroes gets better every week.

[Lt Melmo]

It actually had a good climax and played out like a cohesive story. I wish all episodes were that fast-paced and filled with... story. Not that there isn't a lot of story in the normal timeline, but... man. Shows how nice it can be if the Heroes actually started meeting each other. But of course if those events were playing out in present-time(in like, season 5 or something) then it probably would've stretched over 5 episodes.

Also the fight scene could've actually had more fighting and we could've seen less of Niki, who's just as annoying and useless in the future. :)

[Witchy Chick]

Is there anyone else who was more interested in the fight in the hallway than the chaos inside the room with Mohinder and Hiro? ;)

::raises hand::


One more thing... what is the proper protocol for avoiding spoilers? Is it ok to discuss whatever we want in here?

Actual spoilers or speculation? I speculate and theorize all the time. But, if it's an actual spoiler (that I've found from another site or whatever), I spoiler-font it (like in the LOST threads). Maybe we should do that here? Just highlight the spoiler and change the color to "beige." (I can never find beige on the color palette, so I just choose any color and manually type in beige.)

How bad-ass was THAT episode? Does Peter realize he's getting his brother's sloppy seconds with Nikki? :D From the powers that FutureSylar had, somewhere along the way he killed Nathan, DL, Ted, and Candace (the shape-shifter chick).

How did Nikki get rid of Jessica?

Apparently Peter causes and survives the future nuclear explosion of NYC. Is that how he got the scar, I wonder?

Was the diner that FutureClaire was working in the same one Charlie (photographic memory chick) worked in?

Who was the chick working with Bennett? Was that Hana (wireless chick)?

Interesting that Bennett went rogue (apparently after the Claire-blows-up-the-house incident?). But, the Haitian -- who previously helped Claire and Bennett -- is a member of Homeland Security? Hmmmmm.

Seems like "save the cheerleader, save the world" isn't limited to just that Homecoming incident.

I wonder what gift the little girl in the preview (Molly?) has? And, didn't Sylar mention a "Molly" when he was listing his "powers" from other people? I didn't get a good look at her, but is Molly the little girl that Matt found hiding in the under-stairs crawl space (when her parents were killed)?

Poor Ando (although, I suppose going back could save him). Save the sidekick, save the world. :D


Witchy

[PaulFolk]

How did Nikki get rid of Jessica?
My guess is that Jessica just sort of disappeared once DL and Micah died. Jessica has said in recent episodes that she does things Niki isn't willing to do in order to protect Micah-- maybe once he was gone, she had no reason to stick around.


Apparently Peter causes and survives the future nuclear explosion of NYC. Is that how he got the scar, I wonder?
"I blew up New York City and all I have to show for it is this lousy scar." :p Really, though, he looked surprisingly intact for someone who caused so much destruction. I know he has Claire's healing ability, but still.


Who was the chick working with Bennett? Was that Hana (wireless chick)?
Yes, that was Hana. I'm not sure how she fits into this whole equation. She's only appeared in one "present-day episode," IIRC (when she helped Ted track down Bennet).


Interesting that Bennett went rogue (apparently after the Claire-blows-up-the-house incident?). But, the Haitian -- who previously helped Claire and Bennett -- is a member of Homeland Security? Hmmmmm.
Is this the first time we've gotten confirmation that the Haitian blocks people's powers? I always thought his powers had more to do with wiping people's minds or shielding their thoughts, but apparently he can negate anyone's abilities even if they have nothing to do with the mind. He'd be a handy guy to have around when you fight Sylar. :)

[Jimmy The Greek]

"I blew up New York City and all I have to show for it is this lousy scar." :p Really, though, he looked surprisingly intact for someone who caused so much destruction. I know he has Claire's healing ability, but still.

If you remember "Company Man", Ted doesn't show any physical ill effects from going radioactive, so I assume Peter would be the same. What struck me as odd about this episode was that I couldn't tell what events we've seen in past episodes were supposed to have happened, and which ones weren't. For example, if Peter had saved Claire, Hiro would have killed Sylar (no more "he regenerated after I stabbed him"), and Peter wouldn't have the scar (because he would have Claire's healing ability). But then again, Claire was still alive, and Sylar killed her to take her power when he was posing as Nathan. So I found that a bit confusing.

As for the Peter/Sylar fight - I'm loving/hating how much they're teasing us with the showdown. Three times now they've worked up to a confrontation, and then either had it end abruptly (Peter running away and getting glass in the back of his head), or they didn't show it (this episode). It's going to be all the sweeter in the finale when they do throw down. I really hope they don't screw it up, but then again, so far they've done a great job of not disappointing.

I really hope Ando doesn't die, because if Hiro is like future Hiro in the coming seasons, that will just be sad and depressing.

As for Niki/Jessica, I was not shocked to see that her role in the future was pretty much worthless, just like her role on the show so far :-P

Anyway - I am pretty psyched for the last few episodes. This is definitely the show I most look forward to watching each week (normally it's Lost, but right now Heroes is a bit more exciting :p).

[Jagwar]

What struck me as odd about this episode was that I couldn't tell what events we've seen in past episodes were supposed to have happened, and which ones weren't. For example, if Peter had saved Claire, Hiro would have killed Sylar (no more "he regenerated after I stabbed him"), and Peter wouldn't have the scar (because he would have Claire's healing ability). But then again, Claire was still alive, and Sylar killed her to take her power when he was posing as Nathan. So I found that a bit confusing.


I agree, Peter saved Claire, and she was still alive. In my opinion, Peter should then have her healing power in this future, and no scar. However, Claire's rescue is independent of Sylar's defeat. Hiro leapt forward before his encounter with Sylar, so this future takes into the account that Sylar never was killed. Picture the timeline in Isaac's apartment. If Hiro never kills Sylar, then things continue as is. If he kills Sylar, all of the strings fall apart.

One thing that I have noticed. IMO, save the cheerleader, save the world... says nothing about "stop the bomb". Even if Hiro kills Sylar, that has no impact on whether Peter (or Ted) blows up or not. So killing Sylar only addresses what the world becomes after NYC goes kaboom.

[DuffMan]

Also the fight scene could've actually had more fighting and we could've seen less of Niki, who's just as annoying and useless in the future. :)


One of the best parts of last nights episode....
Niki (talking to Peter):"If you leave then were through!"

Peter proceeds to just walk out the door. I thought that was hysterical and I was yelling at the TV in approval!!

[Jagwar]

A few other thoughts about this episode:

- The Haitian was so helpful in the present time, what could possibly make him go "bad" in this future?
- I realize that there was only an hour to work with, but I wish we could have seen how Sylar killed Nathan, Ted, DL and Candace
- If Sylar really thought it was important to get to Hiro at the end, why not rip the door off the hinges? He obviously thought that it was important enough to blow his cover on national TV by flying away.
- What happened when future Hiro went into the elevator?
- Im assuming that Sylar took Claire's power at the end, but could he actually "kill" her?

[Witchy Chick]

One thing that I have noticed. IMO, save the cheerleader, save the world... says nothing about "stop the bomb". Even if Hiro kills Sylar, that has no impact on whether Peter (or Ted) blows up or not. So killing Sylar only addresses what the world becomes after NYC goes kaboom.

Right. I think the "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World" has more to do with the five years from now timeline we saw last night than the true timeline we've been watching all season.

FutureSylar (as Nathan) told FutureClaire that he was the "leader of the free world" and had "enough power, except for one." Can you imagine FutureSylar, with the powers he had PLUS Claire's, taking over the world? :eek:



- What happened when future Hiro went into the elevator?

Maybe "invisible Peter" went with him (and made him invisible)? I'm totally grasping at straws here. When Peter used the time-stopping/teleporting gift, he had to be in physical contact with FutureHiro and Ando. Maybe in addition to absorbing powers, he also acts as a conduit (and temporarily transfers that power to another)? :confused: Like, if he held Claire's hand and channeled Issac's painting ability -- would Claire be able to paint? Again -- totally grasping at straws here. ;)



- Im assuming that Sylar took Claire's power at the end, but could he actually "kill" her?

Good question. Does Sylar "take" the ability or "copy" it? If he copies it, Claire would (potentially) still have her own regenerative power and could survive. If he takes it, obviously she can't regenerate.

This show is crazy/awesome. :D


Witchy

[Lt Melmo]

Witchy: Yes, Molly Walker is the girl Parkman heard under the staircase.
I'm pretty sure FutureClaire was working in a different shop, but I think the place Bennet, Ted and Parkman went in .07% was the same diner.
Also, Hana and Bennet have a history which you can learn about in the graphic novels at nbc.com. I think, at least, I haven't actually had time to read all of her story. The first few chapters show her going to find him, to get revenge for something he did in the past. Apparently they make up...

Jimmy: All the time travelling is unbelievably confusing and makes very little sense, I think. Also, if Peter and Sylar don't have a REAL showdown I might quit. :mad:

I find it interesting that Sylar can basically be killed at the end of the season and the bomb will still be intact. It seemed like this episode was kind of giving away a lot of spoiler info, but we have no idea how Peter will stop from blowing up.

TJ: He probably killed them by slicing off their heads and eating their brains. :)
I think that Hiro went into the elevator, pushed the button, and teleported. He does have the power to control it.
I also believe that Claire can only regenerate with her brain fully intact. So if he takes out her brain, she's done for.

I'm predicting that the Haitian will inevitably turn bad, because he's a perfect kryptonite. Or Sylar will eat his brain, but that's one of the many things that can make Sylar TOO powerful.

[Jagwar]

So how does Micah fit into all of this? Why does Linderman want him so badly?

[orioles119]

So how does Micah fit into all of this? Why does Linderman want him so badly?
Let bryanman tell us... :p

[Jimmy The Greek]

Witchy: Yes, Molly Walker is the girl Parkman heard under the staircase.
I'm pretty sure FutureClaire was working in a different shop, but I think the place Bennet, Ted and Parkman went in .07% was the same diner.
Also, Hana and Bennet have a history which you can learn about in the graphic novels at nbc.com. I think, at least, I haven't actually had time to read all of her story. The first few chapters show her going to find him, to get revenge for something he did in the past. Apparently they make up...

Jimmy: All the time travelling is unbelievably confusing and makes very little sense, I think. Also, if Peter and Sylar don't have a REAL showdown I might quit. :mad:

I find it interesting that Sylar can basically be killed at the end of the season and the bomb will still be intact. It seemed like this episode was kind of giving away a lot of spoiler info, but we have no idea how Peter will stop from blowing up.

TJ: He probably killed them by slicing off their heads and eating their brains. :)
I think that Hiro went into the elevator, pushed the button, and teleported. He does have the power to control it.
I also believe that Claire can only regenerate with her brain fully intact. So if he takes out her brain, she's done for.

I'm predicting that the Haitian will inevitably turn bad, because he's a perfect kryptonite. Or Sylar will eat his brain, but that's one of the many things that can make Sylar TOO powerful.

Good stuff, Lt. Melmo. It's interesting the way all of this information is being given to us - instead of withholding information (a la Lost), they are giving us too much and then making us guess what is true and what is not. It definitely creates plenty of intrigue!

And one thing that worries me is that future Hiro says that he stabbed Sylar. As much as I love Hiro, I would be pissed if he ends up being the one taking out Sylar instead of Peter...

[Spoonless]

So I saw my first episode of Heroes the other day, and even though all my friends were saying "oh ****" at suprises about half the time and I had no idea what was going on, I still thought it was great.

I went to NBC.com to find out that I had just missed when they had all the episodes up for streaming, and now just have 16-20 up. :(

So I had to resort to downloading them. :D I just finished episode 2, and am eagerly awaiting episode 3 (12 hours left, but it'll speed up at night). My only problem is that the downloaded ones have Spanish subtitles.

Anyway, as far as the new episode goes, that scar on Peter's face looks like it could have come from a katana blade. He and Hiro did seem to have some tension between them, no?

[Jagwar]

Just a thought on Mama Petrelli's possible power. I wonder if it might be some sort of ability to see the future in dreams. Maybe that is why Peter is having dreams about his blowing up in NYC. He would have "acquired" the power from her.

[Tank]

Just a thought on Mama Petrelli's possible power. I wonder if it might be some sort of ability to see the future in dreams. Maybe that is why Peter is having dreams about his blowing up in NYC. He would have "acquired" the power from her.

Now thats interesting....

Wow, what a week for TV. Great episodes for Heroes and Lost, it should be like this every week.

Peter Patrelli might be the coolest character in TV history... I can't wait to see him kill Sylar.

[Lt Melmo]

Just a thought on Mama Petrelli's possible power. I wonder if it might be some sort of ability to see the future in dreams. Maybe that is why Peter is having dreams about his blowing up in NYC. He would have "acquired" the power from her.
I'm pretty sure that he got that power from Simone's father. I might be wrong though. And the writers have hinted that Mama Petrelli doesn't have a power-- she's just always been around the last generation that has.

[Jagwar]

Peter Patrelli might be the coolest character in TV history... I can't wait to see him kill Sylar.

You know, he was pretty fluffy when he didn't know how to use the powers he acquired. But now that he has learned how to control them, he is pretty freaking cool

Isn't killing Sylar Hiro's job?

[Jagwar]

I'm pretty sure that he got that power from Simone's father. I might be wrong though. And the writers have hinted that Mama Petrelli doesn't have a power-- she's just always been around the last generation that has.

I don't remember any reference to Simone's father, but then I came to be a Heroes fan late in the game.

On that note, forgive the silly question... Who is the father of Nathan and Peter? I had this strange feeling it might be Linderman.

[Witchy Chick]

I don't remember any reference to Simone's father, but then I came to be a Heroes fan late in the game.

On that note, forgive the silly question... Who is the father of Nathan and Peter? I had this strange feeling it might be Linderman.

One of those flashback episodes (Six Months Ago, I think) mentioned Mr. Petrelli. He was District Attorney (??) and was prosecuting Linderman. Then, Mr. P died. (Mama Petrelli told Peter -- when he was in the hospital after attempting to fly like Nathan -- that Papa Petrelli killed himself (although they all covered it up by saying he had a heart attack).)

Shortly after Papa Petrelli's death, Nathan picked up the torch and went after Linderman. This led to his run for Congress (and five years from now, his run to the Presidency).

I would think with Linderman's ability to bring things back to life -- maybe he has some genetic tie to Claire (through her mother)? Although, Linderman could = Mr. P (killed himself, and brought himself back to life). ;)

Re: Simone's father, I think all we saw of him was when he was in a coma and Peter was caring for him. There was one scene were he was awake and coherent -- but that turned out to be a dream of Peter's (Peter and Mr. Deveaux were flying). Peter woke up when Simone knocked on his door to tell him her father had died. I'd be willing to bet we see more of him in some flashback thing where we learn about the current Heroes' parents/ancestors.


Witchy

[CrimsonTribe]

One of those flashback episodes (Six Months Ago, I think) mentioned Mr. Petrelli. He was District Attorney (??) and was prosecuting Linderman. Then, Mr. P died. (Mama Petrelli told Peter -- when he was in the hospital after attempting to fly like Nathan -- that Papa Petrelli killed himself (although they all covered it up by saying he had a heart attack).)

Shortly after Papa Petrelli's death, Nathan picked up the torch and went after Linderman. This led to his run for Congress (and five years from now, his run to the Presidency).

I would think with Linderman's ability to bring things back to life -- maybe he has some genetic tie to Claire (through her mother)? Although, Linderman could = Mr. P (killed himself, and brought himself back to life). ;)

Re: Simone's father, I think all we saw of him was when he was in a coma and Peter was caring for him. There was one scene were he was awake and coherent -- but that turned out to be a dream of Peter's (Peter and Mr. Deveaux were flying). Peter woke up when Simone knocked on his door to tell him her father had died. I'd be willing to bet we see more of him in some flashback thing where we learn about the current Heroes' parents/ancestors.


Witchy

Papa Petrelli and Linderman met in Vietnam. They had a run-in while working together, but dediced to work together after the war. It appears that Linderman has the power of healing, but Mr. Petrelli did not have one. This leads me to believe that Mama Petrelli might have one.

This stuff is in the novels on NBC.com (http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novels_library.shtml). The "War Buddies" series in particular.

[Tank]

The 3-part season finale starts tonight. T-minus 3 and a half hours.

[Tank]

Isn't killing Sylar Hiro's job?

You're right. But I can't wait to see Peter fight Sylar, hand him his ass, then have Hiro kill him.

[OrangeJerseys]

The 3-part season finale starts tonight. T-minus 3 and a half hours.

Damn. I gotta wait six hours. Tonight's gonna be good.

[Jagwar]

Wow... 26 minutes in, and an awesome episode.

Holy crap, is that Ellen Green as Sylar's mom? From Little Shop of Horrors fame?

(We need a game thread for Heroes) :D

[square634]

A somewhat meh episode but the next two weeks will probably be awesome.

[Jagwar]

A somewhat meh episode but the next two weeks will probably be awesome.

Ummm, a "meh" episode?

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- Sylar kills his own mom, draws the future in her blood
- Hiro stops time, tries to kill Sylar, fails, breaks his sword in half
- Candace reveals herself to Micah, threatens to give him nightmares for the rest of his life
- Nathan learns that his mom has collaborated somehow in Linderman's planning
- Peter actually comes into contact with Ted, acquires his power, and already is struggling to control it
- Peter gives Clair a gun, asks her to put a bullet in the back of his head if he can't control the nuke power

hardly "meh" in my opinion ;)

[square634]

Ummm, a "meh" episode?

hardly "meh" in my opinion

Well yeah, it advanced the plot a bit, but I wasn't excited or on the edge of my seat. Maybe I'm just disappointed because last week's episode was so kick a$$.

Also, did anyone else feel that Sylar was completely out of character this episode? He's crying about killing people and wondering if he should be special AFTER killing more than a few people and eating their brains? Huh? First Spiderman 3 and now this - villains are villains!

[DuffMan]

Well with Sylar's mom gone that should be the last of his innocence to go with it. So I'm sure he goes back to being bad ass, especially now that he's met Hiro and has seen what kind of power he has. And anyone else annoyed by wimpy Hiro (I'm afraid to do this, I can't do that, the sword is broke I'm a big baby blah blah blah!!!) this is why I'm hoping that if Sylar is offed it's done by Peter. I really hope that they don't kill him off! And after last week's episode this one did feel a bit anti-climatic, but I know it's just setting the stage for all the craziness that's almost here!

[Jagwar]

Anyone else wondering... what the heck can they possibly do for season two?

[orioles119]

Well with Sylar's mom gone that should be the last of his innocence to go with it. So I'm sure he goes back to being bad ass, especially now that he's met Hiro and has seen what kind of power he has. And anyone else annoyed by wimpy Hiro (I'm afraid to do this, I can't do that, the sword is broke I'm a big baby blah blah blah!!!) this is why I'm hoping that if Sylar is offed it's done by Peter. I really hope that they don't kill him off! And after last week's episode this one did feel a bit anti-climatic, but I know it's just setting the stage for all the craziness that's almost here!
Sylar has always gone after others like him to acquire their ability. When he realizes that he has to kill innocents in the blast (he thinks he's the bomb), he feels remorse. He doesn't want to kill those that don't have a gift like him.

He went back to his mother in order to become normal Gabriel again. Unfortunately, his mother kept harping on what he wanted to be - a simple clock maker. Sylar then revealed his power to his mother and she was horrified.

Using his mother's blood was very symbolic. It was the last shred of humanity that Sylar had.

[PaulFolk]

I agree with square...that wasn't my favorite episode. The Sylar-and-his-mom plot didn't really do much for me. It didn't ring true that Sylar could go from a remorseless killing machine who actually impaled Isaac with his own paintbrushes, to a wimpy kid who just wants to go back to being a simple clockmaker. He crossed that bridge long ago, and he knows it. Also, I found his mom totally irritating.

[Jagwar]

I agree with square...that wasn't my favorite episode. The Sylar-and-his-mom plot didn't really do much for me. It didn't ring true that Sylar could go from a remorseless killing machine who actually impaled Isaac with his own paintbrushes, to a wimpy kid who just wants to go back to being a simple clockmaker. He crossed that bridge long ago, and he knows it. Also, I found his mom totally irritating.

I'm not so sure I agree. We saw through the encounter in Mohinder's apartment that Sylar was prone to mood swings, some real and some contrived. It's one thing for him to be corrupted by power, it's another thing to discover that you could be responsible for destroying NYC and killing millions of people.

I agree with O119. Sylar seems to have nothing left to hold him back.

[PaulFolk]

I'm not so sure I agree. We saw through the encounter in Mohinder's apartment that Sylar was prone to mood swings, some real and some contrived. It's one thing for him to be corrupted by power, it's another thing to discover that you could be responsible for destroying NYC and killing millions of people.
Maybe. I just don't think it would bother him that much, considering that he's already killed dozens of people in particularly gruesome ways. And he also eats their brains, according to the little girl in last night's episode. That doesn't sound like the behavior of a guy who's at all conflicted about his humanity.

One thing I'm not sure of-- does Sylar think that he's going to die in the explosion? If so, then I can understand how it might make him want to stop what he's doing. He might just be looking out for himself, not those millions of people in New York.

[Baroquen131]

Not impressed by the episode. Just didn't grab my attention like last week (which I was regretting before it aired, as I'm not a fan of alternate reality/"days of future past" episodes). I know there was lots of exposition and setup for the finale, but no, it just didn't come off well, IMO.

I'm not really worried about season 2, as they seem to be suggesting they'll follow a "24" style model, over the continuous "Lost" variety. Some characters will return, others will be new. It should allow them to set up for a new run. Maybe one where the older generation are the villian cabal? Will really depend if next season's character are as interesting as this first batch.

[Jagwar]

One thing I'm not sure of-- does Sylar think that he's going to die in the explosion? If so, then I can understand how it might make him want to stop what he's doing. He might just be looking out for himself, not those millions of people in New York.

There is an interesting riddle developing. Who will explode? Ted, Sylar or Peter?

Tell you what I think would be cool. How about Nathan having a hero moment, and flying the exploding person well into the atmosphere at the last second?

[Witchy Chick]

- Hiro stops time, tries to kill Sylar, fails, breaks his sword in half

This is ironic since the replica sword they stole from the museum display was broken in half (IIRC).


Maybe. I just don't think it would bother him that much, considering that he's already killed dozens of people in particularly gruesome ways. And he also eats their brains, according to the little girl in last night's episode.

I'm a bit confused by the Molly and parents situation. Did the parents have powers too? IIRC, when Parkman and Audrey arrived on the scene, the parents were seated at the dinner table with their skulls Sylar-ized. So, did Sylar get their powers? Or, was this early on enough that he could not differentiate special from non-special? Was he really after Molly at that point -- and not the parents? And, if he had succeeded in getting Molly -- would he have been neutralized way early on (due to her disorder)?

And as for Molly -- Thompson lied to Mohinder (not that I'm surprised at all). Molly is able to find all the heroes (Cerebro? hehehe). I suppose her tainted blood might be able to stop Sylar, though (by neutralizing his powers).


There is an interesting riddle developing. Who will explode? Ted, Sylar or Peter?

Ted/Sylar or Peter. After all, if Ted still has his power that means Sylar doesn't (i.e. Ted is still alive). If Sylar has it, Ted's dead.


Tell you what I think would be cool. How about Nathan having a hero moment, and flying the exploding person well into the atmosphere at the last second?

Isn't that what we've been shown in Peter's dreams? Nathan flies him straight up outta there? I'd still think there would be fallout or something. But, I would guess the damage would be less severe.

I'm not a nuclear physicist, but would Ted be able to use his power to neutralize Peter's uncontrollable absorption? Or, maybe Claude shows up and punches Peter in the face again. :D That would be cool. Nice nod to past episode, reunites HRG and Claude. LOL

A couple interesting things I noticed. The Heroes can "share" their power. We knew this with Hiro and Ando, and FuturePeter (teleporting Ando and FutureHiro out of harm's way). But DL was able to phase Niki into Linderman's along with himself.

And Sylar can use more than one power at a time (ice-snow making, and the telekinesis).


Witchy

[square634]

I just thought of something while waiting for the extremely overlong Stats AP multiple choice section to end. In the beginning of the series, I believe Hiro sees Isaac Sylarized followed by the police rushing in. This time, there were no police, etc. So does that mean that something significant to the future has already been changed?


And Sylar can use more than one power at a time (ice-snow making, and the telekinesis).

Apparently not well though. It seemed like he lost control of the telekinesis.

[PaulFolk]

I just thought of something while waiting for the extremely overlong Stats AP multiple choice section to end. In the beginning of the series, I believe Hiro sees Isaac Sylarized followed by the police rushing in. This time, there were no police, etc. So does that mean that something significant to the future has already been changed?
I don't think anything changed-- Hiro just found Isaac a couple days earlier than he did before. The last time Hiro teleported and saw Isaac dead, it was the same day the bomb went off. This time, he found him two days before the bomb is scheduled to go off.

[Jagwar]

Ten hours away from tonight's show. A couple of questions to get the ball rolling today

1. Will Sylar pick Ted's brain (so to speak) tonight?
2. Why does Linderman think that Micah is the key to stopping Sylar?
3. If Peter can read minds now, why doesn't he know more about what Nathan really knows about Linderman's plan?

[Mackus]

Ten hours away from tonight's show. A couple of questions to get the ball rolling today

1. Will Sylar pick Ted's brain (so to speak) tonight?
2. Why does Linderman think that Micah is the key to stopping Sylar?
3. If Peter can read minds now, why doesn't he know more about what Nathan really knows about Linderman's plan?
1. I don't think so.
2. I believe Micah is going to use his powers to somehow rig the election to get Nathan elected.
3. This is a good point. He has only used Parkman's ability when Parkman was around, kind of strange.

[Jagwar]

1. I don't think so.
2. I believe Micah is going to use his powers to somehow rig the election to get Nathan elected.
3. This is a good point. He has only used Parkman's ability when Parkman was around, kind of strange.

1. Re: Ted... just based on the previews, Im thinking that with Peter saying "He's going to blow up the city," and Sylar saying "BOOM"... Ted is toast in this episode
2. I think you are correct regarding Micah.
3. Same thing for Mama Petrelli. Why doesn't he just read her mind too? Maybe he has encountered so many heroes, sometimes he forgets to use powers he has acquired.

[Spoonless]

Maybe someone mentioned it earlier, but how did Peter get that scar, if he can heal? That would mean the Haitian had to be nearby blocking powers, right? It really does look like it came from a sword, as well. It's a pretty straight cut. Of course, it could come from a launched projectile as well, I suppose.

[DuffMan]

Maybe Peter decided to not completely heal and keep that scar as some sort of a reminder???

[Tank]

NBC just announced a spin off show for Heroes called Heroes:Origins.

Sounds like a really cool idea. A nice way to spend the weeks during hiatus.


Variety reported today on the announcement of “Heroes: Origins,” a spin-off of NBC's hit drama series "Heroes." The new "Origins" seires will be composed of stand-alone episodes centering on characters not yet seen on the original show. Viewers will be asked to pick their favorite “Origins” character who will then join the cast of “Heroes” itself. Series creator Tim Kring will oversee the new “Origins” show, which will be produced simultaneously with “Heroes.”

“Heroes: Origins” will air Monday night in the “Heroes” timeslot after the mother show ends its season or when it goes on hiatus, allowing the franchise to run virtually uninterrupted by reruns or non-“Heroes” related programming. NBC has ordered six episodes of "Origins," making for thirty total hours of "Heroes." Despite rumors to the contrary, “Heroes” will not be moved to a new timeslot to bolster weaker programming on other nights of the week, and will maintain its Monday night presence.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10546

[Jagwar]

NBC just announced a spin off show for Heroes called Heroes:Origins.

Sounds like a really cool idea. A nice way to spend the weeks during hiatus.



http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10546

I think this could be a really neat character development tool. It should allow them to fill in a lot of gaps without eating up normal broadcast time. If they were smart, they would do more of this through their website, by making shorter clips available online to help people get details on characters and past storylines

[DuffMan]

O man, this is crazy how everyone is just all converging together!

[Jagwar]

1. I don't think so.
2. I believe Micah is going to use his powers to somehow rig the election to get Nathan elected.
3. This is a good point. He has only used Parkman's ability when Parkman was around, kind of strange.

Mackus... guess I called point number one, and you win point number two ;)

[Jagwar]

Great episode... only one left.

SPOILERS (highlight between the *** to read)

***
- Awesome... now Sylar and Peter both have Ted's power
- Glad to see Linderman taken out. Surprised that DL was the one to do it
- Did Sylar turn invisible after he tipped off the FBI agents?
- In the preview for next week, Peter and Sylar face off in front of the stair structure, and then Peter has blood on his shirt when talking to Claire. Is it Peter's or Sylar's? And thanks to Tivo, it looks like Claire is the one jumping out of the window.
***

[DuffMan]

Do you think Linderman is really dead? I just ask the question because he obviously has some sort of healing power himself.

TJagwar, I don't think Sylar went invisible he just walked away. The only way he could go invisible is if he killed Claude.

As for next week there is so much too look forward to. I'm very curious to see what happens with HRG, Seresh and the little girl.

[Jagwar]

Do you think Linderman is really dead? I just ask the question because he obviously has some sort of healing power himself.


I do think he is dead. He had the power to heal other things/people, but it seemed like it required conscious thought. Kind of hard to do that with a fist sized hole in the back of the head.



TJagwar, I don't think Sylar went invisible he just walked away. The only way he could go invisible is if he killed Claude.

My point exactly. Maybe he did just that. He had the freeze power, we never saw how he got that, did we?

[Lt Melmo]

I don't know if Linderman is completely done for... it just seems incomplete, a hero dying and neither Peter or Sylar getting their power. Plus, he has such a huge role in the big picture... we'll definitely see him next season, but maybe not in the present.

[square634]

In the Peter's premonition, we see Simone, Claude, and DL. We know that Simone is dead, DL is probably dead, and Claude might be dead based on Sylar's disappearance. So... my current theory is that Peter's whole premonition of blowing up is an illusion cast by Candace. Ted might also have been in the premonition, but I could be wrong.

[Jagwar]

In the Peter's premonition, we see Simone, Claude, and DL. We know that Simone is dead, DL is probably dead, and Claude might be dead based on Sylar's disappearance. So... my current theory is that Peter's whole premonition of blowing up is an illusion cast by Candace. Ted might also have been in the premonition, but I could be wrong.

Or it might just be that Peter's premonition took place before certain things were rectified by saving the cheerleader

[DuffMan]

O man this is starting to make my head hurt.

[square634]

Or it might just be that Peter's premonition took place before certain things were rectified by saving the cheerleader

Wasn't Claire already saved at that point? Peter was leaving the jail after meeting Claire and then he collapsed.

[PaulFolk]

Awesome episode. A nice bounce back from last week.

A whole lot of carnage tonight-- Thompson, Ted, and Linderman all dead, and D.L. perhaps on the brink. This is going to get good.

[Jagwar]

Wasn't Claire already saved at that point? Peter was leaving the jail after meeting Claire and then he collapsed.

If that's true, then my idea falls apart. I think you have to be careful about his premonition in any case. Every single character from Heroes seems to be in it, but no normal people are in the streets. Does that mean that Peter blows up, but no non-heroes are going to be present? ;)

[Jagwar]

Awesome episode. A nice bounce back from last week.


A whole lot of carnage tonight-- Thompson, Ted, and Linderman all dead, and D.L. perhaps on the brink. This is going to get good.

SPOILER (highlight to read between the ***)

***
Looking at the preview for next week, looks like Parkman will be added to the list.
***

I still think that somehow, Nathan is going to have a change of heart, and save the day by flying a soon-to-be-exploding Sylar into the sky

[PaulFolk]

AAGH! Please give spoiler space before talking about previews for next week. Some of us avoid watching the previews for a reason.

That said, I doubt they'd give away something that big in a preview. It's probably like when people thought Simone was still alive based on a preview, but it turned out to be Candace in disguise.

[Spoonless]

AAGH! Please give spoiler space before talking about previews for next week. Some of us avoid watching the previews for a reason.

That said, I doubt they'd give away something that big in a preview. It's probably like when people thought Simone was still alive based on a preview, but it turned out to be Candace in disguise.

In other threads, people beige out the spoiler text. Perhaps that should be implemented here.

[Jagwar]

I will switch my spoiler stuff to the message background color

[Witchy Chick]

So far, no one's mentioned my favorite part of the show -- Hiro's "training." Not only could we see his moves improve, his resolve became more solidified. Towards the end of the training, he reminded me of FutureHiro (only not as dour).

Baroquen mentioned this last night (and I agree with him) - Candace probably doesn't look like the Candace that we (the audience) see either. When she was railing to Micah about being different and the world being afraid of them (the Heroes), baroquen commented that Candace might not "really" look like that. (Her other comment to Micah last week about "If you don't behave, I'll show you things that will give you nightmares for the rest of your life" backs that up for me.)

Well, Nathan's already won the election -- why wait to announce his wife's miraculous recovery?

I cannot believe HRG blew Thompson away. DUDE!!!

I have a feeling Linderman is going to survive (how, I don't know). To me, it stands to reason that he will -- we've barely scratched the surface on his story.

Was it just me or did the previews show Niki, DL, Micah, and Molly all together? And, it didn't look like they were in the same room where DL was shot. Hmmmmm.

I, too, think Nathan is going to do something heroic. His acceptance speech, talking about his father, etc leads me to think his "bad guy" routine is a red-herring.


Witchy

[Lt Melmo]

So far, no one's mentioned my favorite part of the show -- Hiro's "training." Not only could we see his moves improve, his resolve became more solidified. Towards the end of the training, he reminded me of FutureHiro (only not as dour).

Baroquen mentioned this last night (and I agree with him) - Candace probably doesn't look like the Candace that we (the audience) see either. When she was railing to Micah about being different and the world being afraid of them (the Heroes), baroquen commented that Candace might not "really" look like that. (Her other comment to Micah last week about "If you don't behave, I'll show you things that will give you nightmares for the rest of your life" backs that up for me.)

Well, Nathan's already won the election -- why wait to announce his wife's miraculous recovery?

I cannot believe HRG blew Thompson away. DUDE!!!

I have a feeling Linderman is going to survive (how, I don't know). To me, it stands to reason that he will -- we've barely scratched the surface on his story.

Was it just me or did the previews show Niki, DL, Micah, and Molly all together? And, it didn't look like they were in the same room where DL was shot. Hmmmmm.

I, too, think Nathan is going to do something heroic. His acceptance speech, talking about his father, etc leads me to think his "bad guy" routine is a red-herring.


Witchy
Hiro's training... eh. It was cool, yeah, but why didn't he stop time to do it? He's sort of running on a limited schedule... apparently the writers think that a couple hours is all the time someone needs to learn to be an excellent swordsman.

My theory ever since Candace said "I AM fat" was that she's really Harry Knowles (http://www.romm.org/conv05/conv063005_13.jpg). That'd make for a fan-service cameo, at least. :)

If I were Nathan, I would wait as well... really, I wouldn't reveal it. That would make it seem like it was all a pity-ploy and she was lying the entire time to get him more votes.

[Spoonless]

If Sylar comes across Linderman's body, can he eat his brain and get his healing power?

[Lt Melmo]

DL seems to have taken care of that problem.

What would Sylar need that power for anyway? Who would he want to heal besides himself?

[Tank]

Amazing episode. My favorite part was when HRG shot that guy in the head twice. Parkman is one of my favorite characters so I was glad he came in and saved the day.

Next week should be crazy. So far, everything looks to be heading right for the future that we saw a couple of episodes back. If so, it looks like Micah, DL, Nathan, Ando, and Candace are all going to die and the bomb is going to go off.

Do we see a Peter/Hiro team up against Sylar? Will Sylar live?

[Lt Melmo]

I'm pretty certain that they only did the five years later episode to show what would happen if things went the way they won't go. There's no reason to have that episode if those things are actually going to happen. And it's primetime TV on NBC. There's no way they're going to kill off a little kid.

Next season is going to have a different storyline... I don't think there's any way Sylar is still around. He'll either be killed or sent to a nice prison... the prison probably won't happen, but I kinda want it to, so the show would start mirroring old comic books more and make for a future breakout in season 3 or something, after he has mutated into Sylar the Vultureman, destroyer of souls. A guy can dream.

[Jagwar]

If Sylar comes across Linderman's body, can he eat his brain and get his healing power?

I don't think so. Didn't Eve kill herself to keep him from getting her power?

[Jagwar]

Amazing episode. My favorite part was when HRG shot that guy in the head twice. Parkman is one of my favorite characters so I was glad he came in and saved the day.

Next week should be crazy. So far, everything looks to be heading right for the future that we saw a couple of episodes back. If so, it looks like Micah, DL, Nathan, Ando, and Candace are all going to die and the bomb is going to go off.

Do we see a Peter/Hiro team up against Sylar? Will Sylar live?

Do you think that NBC would do something stupid, like have the bomb go off, and have a cliffhanger go into season 2?

[DuffMan]

A little over 5 hours until the finale!! I'm pretty pumped. It is going to be interesting to see who actually survives tonights episode.

[Jagwar]

Somebody needs to teach NBC how to do a season finale. Only 1 hour? Useless story lines? We get 10 freaking minutes at the end of the show for a Sylar/Peter fight?

Unbelievable

[Baroquen131]

Hmmmm. Not sure my opinion on the finale, which, alone, is somewhat telling. Sure, there's some resolution, and I knew they were introducing "volume 2" at the end... not that interesting of a cliffhanger. And kind of a ho-hum conclusion. /shrug

[Lt Melmo]

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Props to whoever predicted the Nathan lifting the bomb to the sky.

Thoughts:
-Uhh... why did Peter need Nathan to do it? Did he forget he can fly, like he forgets about all his other powers when they could help him?
-Nathan was my favorite character and the above point pisses me off. Peter can harness two powers at the same time, he's done it before!
-Parkman's obviously alive.
-If DL seriously lasted that long through the episode, he's probably alive too.
-Seriously, why couldn't they just kill Sylar? Come on. I want a whole new storyline next season.
-Speaking of which, AWESOME preview.
-I wonder who it was that Molly couldn't find? Nice foreshadowing there.
-There did seem to be a lot of filler this episode, but I guess a lot of it was pretty necessary. There was a lot crammed into five minutes. They should've made it longer.
-Jessica harnessing her strength made me like her about a million times more than I did before, but that still isn't much. Did she even know why she fought Sylar though? Did she know who he was?
-Noah. Sexy.

Also pissing me off, there was no actual resolution with the bomb. Why did it happen? How did the previous generation know about it? Their plan the entire time was to just... let something completely random happen?

[square634]

Peter can harness two powers at the same time, he's done it before!

Has he? I can't think of a time that he did.


-Uhh... why did Peter need Nathan to do it? Did he forget he can fly, like he forgets about all his other powers when they could help him?

I just wondered why Claire couldn't just shoot him :confused: That seemed to be a strategy that would work. Also, from what I heard in an interview, Sylar is signed through most of the second season but he is no longer the main villain (who is undoubtedly the guy Molly can't see).

[CrimsonTribe]

Props to whoever predicted the Nathan lifting the bomb to the sky.

Thoughts:
-Uhh... why did Peter need Nathan to do it? Did he forget he can fly, like he forgets about all his other powers when they could help him?
-Nathan was my favorite character and the above point pisses me off. Peter can harness two powers at the same time, he's done it before!
-Parkman's obviously alive.
-If DL seriously lasted that long through the episode, he's probably alive too.
-Seriously, why couldn't they just kill Sylar? Come on. I want a whole new storyline next season.
-Speaking of which, AWESOME preview.
-I wonder who it was that Molly couldn't find? Nice foreshadowing there.
-There did seem to be a lot of filler this episode, but I guess a lot of it was pretty necessary. There was a lot crammed into five minutes. They should've made it longer.
-Jessica harnessing her strength made me like her about a million times more than I did before, but that still isn't much. Did she even know why she fought Sylar though? Did she know who he was?
-Noah. Sexy.

Seriously, I was yelling this at the TV. It's such an obvious question that there must be a logical answer. And Peter can't be dead, I just won't believe that.

[Lt Melmo]

Seriously, I was yelling this at the TV. It's such an obvious question that there must be a logical answer. And Peter can't be dead, I just won't believe that.
I don't think they intended for Peter to be dead. He's the hero, and he was alive in Five Years Gone. But logically he should be, cause a fall from that height(you know, miles) would probably destroy his entire body, including his brain.

[Jagwar]

Im pissed. Weeks of anticipation for a season finale, and this is what NBC gives us??? I am so disappointed with the episode. They spend 22 episodes building a story, and then screw up episode 23. It was like they felt like they had to end too many storylines, and only had an hour to do it. HELLO??? You are allowed to make season finales longer than 1 hour you dolts!


SPOILER RANT (Highlight to read)

- What was the fricking point of the flashback to Simone's father? Waste of precious time.
- We have been waiting for some major encounter between Sylar and Peter, and all we get is the last 10 minutes of the episode? Even then, they barely use any powers at all? Come, let's see Sylar melt something or throw a couple of cars. Show us Peter getting that parking meter through his belly or using Invisibility.
- On that note... Sylar certainly didn't go down like a master villain. All the writers could come up with was Nicky/Jessica taking down Sylar with a ... parking meter? And Sylar can't stop Hiro from running at him with a sword from 10 yards away? And after all that, Sylar... crawls down a manhole? WTF???
- So, what is it that saves the world? An obvious plot twist of Nathan flying Peter into the atmosphere? What changed Nathan's mind about the plan... Claire falling out of a window?
- And what the heck, the preview for next season has Hiro in some Japanese Braveheart scene?

Extremely disappointed with this ending to Volume 1, as you can probably tell. Someone, PLEASE talk me off the ledge, and tell me what was good about this episode. Witchy, Tank, ANYONE???

[CrimsonTribe]

I don't think they intended for Peter to be dead. He's the hero, and he was alive in Five Years Gone. But logically he should be, cause a fall from that height(you know, miles) would probably destroy his entire body, including his brain.

Not to mention a nuclear blast. I never understood how they thought a nuclear blast wouldn't destroy his brain.

[Jagwar]

Also, from what I heard in an interview, Sylar is signed through most of the second season but he is no longer the main villain (who is undoubtedly the guy Molly can't see).

I think I would much rather have seen Nathan survive somehow. It would be very interesting to see what it would mean to have a "Hero" in congress, maybe beyond.

[Jagwar]

Out of curiosity, someone told me to color my text to hide plot stuff. Should I not bother once an episode has aired?

[CrimsonTribe]

Im pissed. Weeks of anticipation for a season finale, and this is what NBC gives us??? I am so disappointed with the episode. They spend 22 episodes building a story, and then screw up episode 23. It was like they felt like they had to end too many storylines, and only had an hour to do it. HELLO??? You are allowed to make season finales longer than 1 hour you dolts!


SPOILER RANT (Highlight to read)



Extremely disappointed with this ending to Volume 1, as you can probably tell. Someone, PLEASE talk me off the ledge, and tell me what was good about this episode. Witchy, Tank, ANYONE???

It's weird. Although it was a season finale, which gave some finality to big plot of the season, it also seemed like a set-up episode in that it was setting up the next season throughout the episode.

[orioles119]

Extremely disappointed with this ending to Volume 1, as you can probably tell. Someone, PLEASE talk me off the ledge, and tell me what was good about this episode. Witchy, Tank, ANYONE???

Jag... your voice of reason here...

I think the writers want staying power rather than just a big flash at the end of volume one. Remember... Kring has planned out five seasons already and wants storylines to open up. I think the finale shaped up the next season very well in a series that wants staying power. There were definitely cliffhangers... beige... is Peter dead (no)? Nathan (probably)? Parkman (hope not)? DL (eh, whatever)?

I will say one thing... I'm reading Stephen King's IT right now and all I could think of at the end of the finale was the clown in the sewer. All we need is Candice morphing into Pennywise.

[Jagwar]

Jag... your voice of reason here...

I think the writers want staying power rather than just a big flash at the end of volume one. Remember... Kring has planned out five seasons already and wants storylines to open up. I think the finale shaped up the next season very well in a series that wants staying power. There were definitely cliffhangers... beige... is Peter dead (no)? Nathan (probably)? Parkman (hope not)? DL (eh, whatever)?

I will say one thing... I'm reading Stephen King's IT right now and all I could think of at the end of the finale was the clown in the sewer. All we need is Candice morphing into Pennywise.

I understand the need for cliffhangers and staying power. But how can they only devote 10 minutes to what is supposed to be the climax of the season? For crying out loud, they wasted time with Micah being saved that they could have spent on Nathan's role or the final fight.

[DuffMan]

So they answered a few things and brought up like a boat load of other questions. What is this Lost?????

I still want to know what Mama Patrelli's power is.
I'm also quite curious to find out about the really evil dude that scared the girl.

[DuffMan]

I understand the need for cliffhangers and staying power. But how can they only devote 10 minutes to what is supposed to be the climax of the season? For crying out loud, they wasted time with Micah being saved that they could have spent on Nathan's role or the final fight.

Yeah I definitely was expecting a much better throw down then what they put on.

[Lt Melmo]

Has he? I can't think of a time that he did.
Invisibilty + TK when he was squaring off with Isaac.

[Lt Melmo]

So they answered a few things and brought up like a boat load of other questions. What is this Lost?????

I still want to know what Mama Patrelli's power is.
I'm also quite curious to find out about the really evil dude that scared the girl.
I don't really think many new questions were brought in. The writers have implied that Mama P doesn't have a power, she was just hanging around with the group that did(Linderman, Deveaux, George Takei, probably her husband). She's like the previous generation's Simone or Mohinder.

But all of that is supposed to be the juice of next season. "Generations." I still can't wait, even if this finale sucked.

[CrimsonTribe]

I don't really think many new questions were brought in. The writers have implied that Mama P doesn't have a power, she was just hanging around with the group that did(Linderman, Deveaux, George Takei, probably her husband). She's like the previous generation's Simone or Mohinder.

But all of that is supposed to be the juice of next season. "Generations." I still can't wait, even if this finale sucked.

I think that Mama P should have a power because the novels on NBC.com state that Papa Petrelli does not have a power.

[Jagwar]

Yeah I definitely was expecting a much better throw down then what they put on.

Like I said... Why can't Sylar melt something, hear someone coming from behind, freeze someone. Just seems like the NBC writers don't use much creativity with these heroes. There are so many things that Sylar could do with his TK. Anyone remember the X-men issue where Magneto rips the adamantium off of Wolverine's bones and pulls it through his skin?

But Sylar can't stop someone from hitting him with a parking meter, or Peter throwing a few punches at him? Come on NBC, use a little imagination!

[Jagwar]

But all of that is supposed to be the juice of next season. "Generations." I still can't wait, even if this finale sucked.

Do you think that was the point of Hiro going back to the past in the preview for "Generations"? To see some ancestor who first started showing some power?

[Lt Melmo]

Like I said... Why can't Sylar melt something, hear someone coming from behind, freeze someone. Just seems like the NBC writers don't use much creativity with these heroes. There are so many things that Sylar could do with his TK. Anyone remember the X-men issue where Magneto rips the adamantium off of Wolverine's bones and pulls it through his skin?

But Sylar can't stop someone from hitting him with a parking meter, or Peter throwing a few punches at him? Come on NBC, use a little imagination!
The problem isn't creativity, it's that Sylar and Peter are too powerful. If they were to actually be intelligent with their powers, they'd both be invincible.

[Lt Melmo]

Do you think that was the point of Hiro going back to the past in the preview for "Generations"? To see some ancestor who first started showing some power?
It was the thematic point IMO, to show us the breadth of what we're in for next season. I think it'll be all about exploring the universe both horizontally and vertically-- around the world and through time(based on everything the writers have said). Hiro going back was just a preview for all of that.

[Jagwar]

The problem isn't creativity, it's that Sylar and Peter are too powerful. If they were to actually be intelligent with their powers, they'd both be invincible.

Hmmm, seems to me that DC had no problem writing in creative storylines for someone like Superman. Why can't we see an all out battle between these two? Sylar was taken out like a little wuss. What is going to take out this supposed "worst" villain next season... a kick in the nads? ;)

[CrimsonTribe]

Do you think that was the point of Hiro going back to the past in the preview for "Generations"? To see some ancestor who first started showing some power?

I was thinking that the lone samurai in blue on the hill with the Heroes symbol may be Kensei.

[orioles119]

My question is... what about this dude?

http://www.entrecomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/uluru.jpg

[Lt Melmo]

I'm hoping they get into Uluru next season, though all signs point to it not actually being a physical manifestation of anything, just a "concept." Which sucks for me cause I'm in the minority that actually wants to see the Heroes fight a mythical rock creature.

Also, I'd bet that Peter, with full control of his powers, is more powerful than Superman.

[Baroquen131]

Allow me to play the cynic, but perhaps the finale, and especially the fight, was lackluster because of the expense budget? Maybe they didn't have the money allowed to be creative? Maybe time was an issue? Regardless, it was a bit of a letdown.

And regarding the cliffhanger, those are supposed to get the audience excited and jazzed about the future of the series. For most of the morning I couldn't even remember what Hiro and company were looking at in the sky during that last scene... and now that I do remember, ehh... so it was an eclipse... big deal. Even if it ends up having heavy symbolic meaning, nobody's going to care about it over the summer. /shrug

Definitely a weak end of 'volume 1' in my book.

[bgfield]

-Uhh... why did Peter need Nathan to do it? Did he forget he can fly, like he forgets about all his other powers when they could help him?
This bothered me too. What a giant plothole, I can't believe they didn't cover it up beforehand by saying something like Peter can't use his other powers when he's going nuclear for some reason. Not only that, but why the hell was Claire so hesitant to shoot him? You put a bullet in his head, he dies, he stops exploding, you take the bullet out and he comes back to life because he can regenerate too. There was just no reason for Nathan to die there, except for the dramatic conclusion.

I was really pretty unimpressed with the finale. It's also annoying that Sylar's still alive. Like you said, I want someone else next season, Sylar's character isn't all that great.

[Jagwar]

This bothered me too. What a giant plothole, I can't believe they didn't cover it up beforehand by saying something like Peter can't use his other powers when he's going nuclear for some reason. Not only that, but why the hell was Claire so hesitant to shoot him? You put a bullet in his head, he dies, he stops exploding, you take the bullet out and he comes back to life because he can regenerate too. There was just no reason for Nathan to die there, except for the dramatic conclusion.

I was really pretty unimpressed with the finale. It's also annoying that Sylar's still alive. Like you said, I want someone else next season, Sylar's character isn't all that great.

I actually thought he was a good villain, but his defeat was pretty lame, and his escape even worse.

[Spoonless]

With regards to Peter not flying himself away to explode harmlessly, I don't think it's a matter of him not being able to use two powers at once. The whole season, they've painted him as being somewhat insecure. He goes with Claire to see Nathan because he's afraid, and needs his brother. I think that he knows he's going to explode, so once he starts seeing that start to happen, he kind of freaks out. He spends too much energy trying to control it, rather than flying away. Of course, he does have the prescience of mind to tell Claire that it's the only way while he's exploding, so what do I know.

[PaulFolk]

I hope they're setting up a Peter/Sylar showdown at some point. C'mon, NBC...break the budget, dazzle us with special effects, make it a true Battle Royale between those two. Anything less will be a huge disappointment.

[Spoonless]

I'm calling it. Next season, Sylar is going to get mad that there's a badder bad guy than he, and Sylar's gonna try to eat his brain.

[Spoonless]

Also, if Sylar ate Peter's brain, would he get all the powers that Peter's absorbed, or just the ability to absorb powers without eating brains?

[Jagwar]

Also, if Sylar ate Peter's brain, would he get all the powers that Peter's absorbed, or just the ability to absorb powers without eating brains?

Don't forget... Peter now has Sylar's ability to feast on brains. So... if Sylar eats Peter's brain... wait, I'm confused. ;)

[Jagwar]

Looks to me as if Entertainment Weekly thought the finale was a dud too. Excerpts below:

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20039679,00.html




That was an extremely disappointing season finale.

Of course, there was no way that it couldn't have been, unless, as EW music critic Neil Drumming suggested to me this weekend, the bomb actually went off and all our main characters died.

And Heroes has been anything but unexpected in these three final episodes. In episode 23, ''How to Stop an Exploding Man,'' it was downright boring.




So, in the end, this is what we waited half a season for? The big showdown between Sylar and all the heroes consisted of this: He telekinetically choked Peter, then hit him with a parking meter, which Niki seized and used to knock Sylar down. Then Peter, despite having every power in the world, gave Sylar a couple punches before Hiro ran Sylar through with a sword.




Although it is for all intents and purposes a comic-book show, Heroes has unforgivably failed to make its few action scenes dynamic... if you're going to spend entire episodes setting something up, don't dispose of it in mere seconds, dammit!




It was always a fair bet that Nathan (as was presaged in Peter's fever dream) would be there with his brother at the end. And he was, arriving at the last second to fly nuclear Peter into the atmosphere, sacrificing himself. Yet again, this all felt so rushed.

Why not show us the moment when Nathan decided not to go through with his mother's plan? (By the way, why couldn't Peter just fly into space by himself? Or, on the flip side, why not just have Claire shoot Peter in the head? It would toughen her up.) So, in summary, this episode botched its chance to have a really kick-ass battle royal, and it also botched its chance to have a very emotional, character-driven scene.

[Spoonless]

I don't really have a problem with the episode itself, just that it fails as a season finale. I think if they had had a two-hour block, they could have had the same things happen, but made it a better finale.

[Jagwar]

I don't really have a problem with the episode itself, just that it fails as a season finale. I think if they had had a two-hour block, they could have had the same things happen, but made it a better finale.

You mean... like Peter and Sylar fighting for more than 2 minutes, and actually using more of their powers? ;)

[Baroquen131]

You mean... like Peter and Sylar fighting for more than 2 minutes, and actually using more of their powers? ;)

Seriously... their "future fight" where both turned on their heat/energy hands and fought behind a closed door was cooler than this quasi-slugfest.

[DuffMan]

I actually thought he was a good villain, but his defeat was pretty lame, and his escape even worse.

I don't understand why Sylar even needs Claire's healing power. I mean the guy fell of a building one time when he tackled Peter and seemed to get away with out any problem. Now he's been shishcabobed and he gets away from that!?