2007 ACC Tournament Thread

[Mackus]

I'm sure we'll break out individual threads for each Terp game, but we can discuss the tourney itself and other games in this one.

Here's the seeds and first/second round games:

1. UNC
2. UVa
3. VT
4. BC
5. Md
6. GT
7. Duke
8. Clemson
9. FSU
10. NC St
11. Wake
12. Miami

Games:

5. Md v 12. Miami - winner plays 4. Boston College
6. GT v 11. Wake - winner plays 3. Virginia Tech
7. Duke v. 10 NC State - winner 2. plays Virginia
8. Clemson v 9. FSU - winner plays 1. North Carolina

[Mackus]

My predictions:

1st Round:
Maryland over Miami
Georgia Tech over Wake
NC State over Duke
FSU over Clemson

2nd Round:
UNC over FSU
Virginia over NC State
Georgia Tech over Viginia Tech
Maryland over Boston College

3rd Round:
UNC over Maryland
Virginia over Georgia Tech

Final:
UNC over Virginia

[Nuclear Dish]

I like those picks Mackus, especially Carolina winning and dook going out in the first round.

I will differ with you on only one minor point: I think GT will beat UVA in the semis.

As much as I'd love to avenge the 2 losses to VT at some point in the tournament, I'd be content to avenge both the Maryland and GT losses en route to the title.

And as much as I'd love to roll the trifecta against dook this year, I'd be just as happy tp see them go down in flames to State.

[rolliefingers]

I'm not even going to attempt any predictions, but I will say this to UNC fans: Look out for FSU in round 2. They're on the bubble, and they have the best player in the league (if not much else). Just like Tech last week, talent + desperation can make a decent team better.

[Mackus]

I'm not even going to attempt any predictions, but I will say this to UNC fans: Look out for FSU in round 2. They're on the bubble, and they have the best player in the league (if not much else). Just like Tech last week, talent + desperation can make a decent team better.
I agree, I really, really wanted to pick FSU over UNC, and I think if either Clemson or FSU can put beat UNC that they'll get into the tournament. With the way Thornton played this weekend, it looks like he knows the only way FSU gets to the dance is if he carries them. This is the reason he came back to school, and I think he's gonna have a great game against both Clemson and UNC. I'd love to see them win and the ACC to get 8 teams.

[beaner]

Round 1:
MAryland over Miami
GT over Wake Forest
Duke over NC State
Florida State over Clemson


Round 2:
UNC over Florida State
Duke over Virginia
Virginia Tech over Georgia Tech
Maryland over Boston College


Round 3:
North Carolina over Maryland
Virginia Tech over Duke

Final:
North Carolina over Virginia Tech

[YardBirds13]

I am literally too frightened to make picks right now. Seriously. I feel like I need to wait until Wednesday afternoon when I'm down in Tampa to do it, because that will have meant I've waited as long as possible to try and forget what happened on Saturday.

Until then, I'll be trying to come up with some rational explanation to pick Virginia to even win one game so you guys don't call me a homer.

[Sports Guy]

Round 1:

MD over Miami
Duke over NC St
FSU over Clemson
GT over Wake

Round 2:

Duke over UVA
MD over BC
FSU over UNC
GT over VT

Round 3:

MD over FSU
Duke over GT

Round 4:

Duke over MD

[YardBirds13]

I'm just gonna throw this question out there, and see what people think:

Is there anyone, anyone, that thinks that UVa can beat Duke (assuming Duke beats State)?

I'm pretty sure I'm the only UVa fan on the board, and I might have to get drunk to convince myself we can beat them.

[mskrulz]

Round 1:

MD over Miami
Duke over NC St
FSU over Clemson
GT over Wake

Round 2:

Duke over UVA
MD over BC
FSU over UNC
GT over VT

Round 3:

MD over FSU
Duke over GT

Round 4:

Duke over MD

WOW! Talk about a homer pick. Here are some real picks!

RD 1
MD over Miami
Duke over NC State
Clemson over FSU
Ga Tech over Wake

RD 2
VA over Duke
MD over BC
Ga Tech over Va Tech
UNC over Clemson

RD 3
UNC over MD-very close hard fought game.
Ga Tech over VA

Final
UNC over Ga Tech

Maryland loses a great game mainly due to being tired and UNC having relative fresh legs. Ga Tech is playing really good ball right now. Maryland gets a much needed extra day off and it is no great dissapointment losing to a rested UNC team.

[mskrulz]

I'm just gonna throw this question out there, and see what people think:

Is there anyone, anyone, that thinks that UVa can beat Duke (assuming Duke beats State)?

I'm pretty sure I'm the only UVa fan on the board, and I might have to get drunk to convince myself we can beat them.

Why can't you beat Duke. UVA had super quick guards and Duke's guards are too slow to stick with the Terps guards. If Cain can hold his own and either Diane or Joseph get hot down go the Dukies...You've seen the sign..."Beating Duke is so easy that even a caveman could do it!"

[rolliefingers]

I'm just gonna throw this question out there, and see what people think:

Is there anyone, anyone, that thinks that UVa can beat Duke (assuming Duke beats State)?

I'm pretty sure I'm the only UVa fan on the board, and I might have to get drunk to convince myself we can beat them.Of course you can beat Duke. The X-factor for you, as you said before, is whether Diane and (guy whose name I forget at the moment) hit jumpers. They have you beat down low, but you have better guards.

[EddieO's21]

1st Round
Maryland over Miami
GT over Wake
Duke over NC state
Clemson over Florida State

2nd Round
UNC over Clemson
MD over BC
Virginia over Duke
Georgia Tech over Va Tech

3rd Round
UNC over MD
Georgia Tech over Virginia

Final
UNC over Georgia Tech

Georgia Tech is coming on strong and I see them playing extremely well in the tourney

and BTW...MD earns a 3 seed

[Sports Guy]

WOW! Talk about a homer pick. Here are some real picks!

RD 1
MD over Miami
Duke over NC State
Clemson over FSU
Ga Tech over Wake

RD 2
VA over Duke
MD over BC
Ga Tech over Va Tech
UNC over Clemson

RD 3
UNC over MD-very close hard fought game.
Ga Tech over VA

Final
UNC over Ga Tech

Maryland loses a great game mainly due to being tired and UNC having relative fresh legs. Ga Tech is playing really good ball right now. Maryland gets a much needed extra day off and it is no great dissapointment losing to a rested UNC team.
Perhaps but Duke has a favorable road to the final game IMO.

IMO, GT, MD or Duke will win the tourney. If GT beats Duke, i wouldn't be surprised.

[mweb]

Perhaps but Duke has a favorable road to the final game IMO.

IMO, GT, MD or Duke will win the tourney. If GT beats Duke, i wouldn't be surprised.

It is a homer pick, no doubt. I wouldn't be shocked if they won, but would be surprised.

[Sports Guy]

It is a homer pick, no doubt. I wouldn't be shocked if they won, but would be surprised.

Their path really is the reason. If they have to go through MD AND UNC, i would not pick them to win it.

Only 3 teams in the ACC worry me...GT, MD and UNC.

Now, this is taking nothing away from VT, who has played Duke well since they came into the conference or UVA, who did barely beat Duke this year but i still like our chances in this type of environment(remember, alot of these Duke guys have a tourney win under their belts...They do have some experience in that regards).

I actually did almost pick Duke to lose to GT.

[Sports Guy]

The NC State game does worry me though, especially without Henderson.

[YardBirds13]

Of course you can beat Duke. The X-factor for you, as you said before, is whether Diane and (guy whose name I forget at the moment) hit jumpers. They have you beat down low, but you have better guards.

Yea, Adrian Joseph is the guy you're forgetting.

Yea, I guess I just saw everyone picking Duke over UVa and thought, geeze, I'm a UVa fan, and I'm really having a hard time convincing myself we can win, what does everyone else think?

Anyways, you are right, I have said numerous times that the difference in our team this year is the play of Diane/Joseph. They usually play well at home, and crappy on the road.

I thought it was interesting, though, I went back and looked at our 3 road wins this year (Clemson, NC State, and Maryland) and looked at waht Joseph and Diane did.

In the game at Clemson, we trailed by liek 15 with 5 minutes to go. Joseph hit 3 3's in our run to come back and win the game. He had 11 points in the game and Diane had 10.

In the MD game, Joseph had 13 points (3 3's again) and Diane had 8 (although he struggled).

And the game at NC State, we won easily, simply because SS and JR played like Superman and Batman. JR had 29 and SS had 27.

For a bad example, against Wake on Saturday they combined for 4 points. Against Miami, they combined for 8 points.

Basically, unless we get an unreal effort from JR AND SS, we need Joseph and Diane to combine for around 20 points to be able to win.

So, while all this week anytime anyone talks about UVa in the media, all you are gonna hear about is SS and JR, remember that Diane and Joseph are the keys.

[mweb]

Their path really is the reason. If they have to go through MD AND UNC, i would not pick them to win it.

Only 3 teams in the ACC worry me...GT, MD and UNC.

Now, this is taking nothing away from VT, who has played Duke well since they came into the conference or UVA, who did barely beat Duke this year but i still like our chances in this type of environment(remember, alot of these Duke guys have a tourney win under their belts...They do have some experience in that regards).

I actually did almost pick Duke to lose to GT.

Well you weren't worried about MD going into Cameron and winning either. And I'm not sure you can so easily dismiss UVA, VATECH, and FSU considering they are a combined 3-0 against Duke, 2 of those games being at Duke.

[beaner]

I think this Henderson thing will actually be a blessing in disguise for both Duke and North Carolina. People have been questioning Duke's heart all year, and we all know that K likes a challenge. It's been specualted that during those late time outs, K was just challenging them just to keep playing hard, and to allow nothing easy for the Heels. Not to suggest he told them to foul hard but there could have been a message sent.

As for the Heels, hopefully we play with intensity for 40 minutes every game from here on out. We'll see.

[Fairfax Bird]

Round 1:

MD over Miami
Duke over NC St
FSU over Clemson
GT over Wake

Round 2:

Duke over UVA
MD over BC
FSU over UNC
GT over VT

Round 3:

MD over FSU
Duke over GT

Round 4:

Duke over MD

There is NO way Duke can win 4 straight in this tournament SG.;)

[Sports Guy]

There is NO way Duke can win 4 straight in this tournament SG.;)

I admit that it is a long shot.

[Fairfax Bird]

I've gotta say, I like Duke's draw much better than Maryland. Obviously the UNC game is difficult for us. I expect Duke to lose to Virginia. I just think Singletary and Reynolds will run Scheyer and Paulus to death. That said, I like Duke's chances of advancing at least as much as Maryland's if not more.

[YardBirds13]

So tonight we got our tickets for this week, and I am super stoked. For the first time at the ACC Tournament, I'm sitting in the lower level!! To make it even sweeter, I'm in the Virginia section!!!! Can't remember the number off the top of my head, but I believe my family and I will be in section 110. Sort of in the corner. Hopefully close enough where I can get some solid Paulus-directed heckling in on Thursday night (and probably to him on Friday night as well).

Hopefully the Dukies don't ruin my fun and knock us out on Friday, because being in the UVa section in a Semi-Final game on Saturday would be freaking sweet!

31 hours till my flight to Tampa leaves!!!!

[Sports Guy]

Yardbirds...How do you get to go to all this stuff?

[YardBirds13]

Yardbirds...How do you get to go to all this stuff?

The first year (in Charlotte) I went because my Dad got tickets through a business connection (he works in the beer business and knows tons of people involved in all different types of sports, which means I end up getting to all sorts of cool things, like Cal's 2131 game, his last game, Wiz playoff tickets, went to the Mason-UCONN game last year, stuff like that)

Anyways, it was so cool that first year, since both my parents are Terp fans and my brother is a Heel fan, we decided to make the ACC Tournament like our annual family vacation. So, my Dad tries to get hook-ups with tickets, but when it doesn't work out, we pony up the money and buy them off of e-bay (and since it is our one big vacation of the year, the money isn't that big of a deal).

[Sports Guy]

The first year (in Charlotte) I went because my Dad got tickets through a business connection (he works in the beer business and knows tons of people involved in all different types of sports, which means I end up getting to all sorts of cool things, like Cal's 2131 game, his last game, Wiz playoff tickets, went to the Mason-UCONN game last year, stuff like that)

Anyways, it was so cool that first year, since both my parents are Terp fans and my brother is a Heel fan, we decided to make the ACC Tournament like our annual family vacation. So, my Dad tries to get hook-ups with tickets, but when it doesn't work out, we pony up the money and buy them off of e-bay (and since it is our one big vacation of the year, the money isn't that big of a deal).
Nice....Always good to have someone who has contacts...especially if they are beer contacts. :D

[YardBirds13]

Helllllllllllooooooooo everybody!!!!

YB comin at ya, live from the Embassy Suites in beautiful Tampa, Florida.

Got in around 10 this morning, and seeing as I had stayed up the entire night before so I could sleep on the plane, I had to nap it up when I got to the hotel. So, everybody ready for the tournament???? Tomorrow's games:

Florida State over Clemson in a close one

Maryland over Miami in a rout

Duke over NC State in the game of the day

Georgia Tech over Wake Forest in a game that's close most of the way through, but Tech pulls away with 5 or 6 to go

[ccbird]

I don't see any team winning 4 in 4 days. That eliminates Duke,MD and GT.

That leaves UNC, UVA, BC, and VT.

BC- Forget about it. They have a chance to beat MD but that is it. They just aren't the same team since they lost Williams.

UVA- No reason to believe they can win 3 away from home. Just a horrible road team. I mean the resident UVA fan here knows deep down they got no shot of winning three in a row.

VT-I think VT could be the sleeper here. I know they have struggled down the stretch a little but they have proven they can beat good teams on the road and Greenberg is a good coach. I think they will be ready to go.

UNC- The team to beat. I think they have something to prove and possibly are still playing for a 1 seed. I expect them to show up and play some ball this weekend.

Finals - UNC over VT
.

[rolliefingers]

I don't see any team winning 4 in 4 days. That eliminates Duke,MD and GT.

That leaves UNC, UVA, BC, and VT.

BC- Forget about it. They have a chance to beat MD but that is it. They just aren't the same team since they lost Williams.

UVA- No reason to believe they can win 3 away from home. Just a horrible road team. I mean the resident UVA fan here knows deep down they got no shot of winning three in a row.

VT-I think VT could be the sleeper here. I know they have struggled down the stretch a little but they have proven they can beat good teams on the road and Greenberg is a good coach. I think they will be ready to go.

UNC- The team to beat. I think they have something to prove and possibly are still playing for a 1 seed. I expect them to show up and play some ball this weekend.

Finals - UNC over VT
.I'm gonna go out on a limb and pick FSU to win it. Will they? Probably not. But I'd look pretty damn smart if they did!

[beaner]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and pick FSU to win it. Will they? Probably not. But I'd look pretty damn smart if they did!

Wow, now that is a prediction!! Nicely done! Also, I'm leaning towards changing my mind and picking a shocker for tomorrow...Wake Forest over Georgia Tech....Can't wait to get it started.

[rolliefingers]

Wow, now that is a prediction!! Nicely done! Also, I'm leaning towards changing my mind and picking a shocker for tomorrow...Wake Forest over Georgia Tech....Can't wait to get it started.Just so you guys don't think I'm pulling this out of my....thin...air...I think FSU could win because:

1.) They're close to home
2.) Al Thornton
3.) They're desperate for wins to make the NCAAs
4.) Al Thornton

They and GT are the only teams who are really on the bubble at this point, so they're hungry.

[Mackus]

Just so you guys don't think I'm pulling this out of my....thin...air...I think FSU could win because:

1.) They're close to home
2.) Al Thornton
3.) They're desperate for wins to make the NCAAs
4.) Al Thornton

They and GT are the only teams who are really on the bubble at this point, so they're hungry.
I disagree with #1 and #3. I'd say #1 should be Al Thornton and #3 should probably be Al Thornton.

Theres always a chance of victory when you have the best player in the conference on your team. Other things need to go right, but one guy can will you to a conference tournament championship. Recent examples include John Gilchrist, Gerry McNamara, and Lamar Odom.

[rolliefingers]

I disagree with #1 and #3. I'd say #1 should be Al Thornton and #3 should probably be Al Thornton.

Theres always a chance of victory when you have the best player in the conference on your team. Other things need to go right, but one guy can will you to a conference tournament championship. Recent examples include John Gilchrist, Gerry McNamara, and Lamar Odom.You disagree that they're close to home?:D

[BustaJ2632]

You disagree that they're close to home?:D

Sure helped us 2 years ago, didn't it? ;) Best $325 I ever spent, 10 games and we lost the first one to Klempsun. And the Chris Paul-led Wake and the eventual champion Tar Heels lost early, so I couldn't even sell my championship game tickets for anything resembling a fair price.

[YardBirds13]

Sure helped us 2 years ago, didn't it? ;) Best $325 I ever spent, 10 games and we lost the first one to Klempsun. And the Chris Paul-led Wake and the eventual champion Tar Heels lost early, so I couldn't even sell my championship game tickets for anything resembling a fair price.

Yea, the Tar Heels lost to Georgia Tech in the semis.

Technically, Wake wasn't Chris Paul led, because he was suspended for their first round game against NC State, and they lost without him.

[beaner]

Just so you guys don't think I'm pulling this out of my....thin...air...I think FSU could win because:

1.) They're close to home
2.) Al Thornton
3.) They're desperate for wins to make the NCAAs
4.) Al Thornton

They and GT are the only teams who are really on the bubble at this point, so they're hungry.

Getting Toney Douglas is the biggest thing in my book. He saved the day twice last weekend against Miami. I don't think they beat Carolina Friday (of course), but they should beat Clemson tomorrow.

[BustaJ2632]

Yea, the Tar Heels lost to Georgia Tech in the semis.

Technically, Wake wasn't Chris Paul led, because he was suspended for their first round game against NC State, and they lost without him.

I know, which pissed me off even more. Wake hadn't played at Maryland that year, and I really was looking forward to seeing Paul in person. There truly could not have been a worse scenario for the ACC Tournament in Washington.

[Sports Guy]

I like the FSU pick as well.

I think they will beat UNC and at least get to the semis.

[rolliefingers]

I don't think they beat Carolina Friday (of course)I do. Obviously. :D

[beaner]

I like the FSU pick as well.

I think they will beat UNC and at least get to the semis.

They'll be lucky to beat Clemson.

[beaner]

I do. Obviously. :D

First you became a Duke fan, now FSU....I"m starting to wonder ;)

[YardBirds13]

They'll be lucky to beat Clemson.

The Clemson-FSU and Duke-State games are definitely the two I'm looking forward to the most.

I cant wait to see Thornton live and in person, and I also really want to see how Duke reacts to the Henderson sitaution and if State can pull an upset.

[Sports Guy]

They'll be lucky to beat Clemson.

Lucky? They are better than Clemson.

Now, Clemson can beat them obviously but i don't see it happening.

And with the lapses UNC has on defense from time to time, i think FSU could be a dangerous team for the Heels to play.

[beaner]

Lucky? They are better than Clemson.

Now, Clemson can beat them obviously but i don't see it happening.

And with the lapses UNC has on defense from time to time, i think FSU could be a dangerous team for the Heels to play.

Clemson beat FSU twice this season already, don't forget that.

[ccbird]

UNC is a lock to get to the semis and if I wasn't a homer and held out the hope MD can knock them out in the semifinals I would say a lock for the finals. Im like 95% sure the good UNC team is showing up for this tourny and if that happens they are gonna be pretty much impossible to beat. Cream rises to the top and I expect them to roll to the title.

[BmoreBoy]

My predictions:

1st Round:
Maryland over Miami
Georgia Tech over Wake
Duke over NCST
FSU over Clemson

2nd Round:
UNC over FSU
Virginia over Duke
Georgia Tech over Viginia Tech
Maryland over Boston College

3rd Round:
Maryland over UNC
Virginia over Georgia Tech

Final:
Maryland over Virginia

[rolliefingers]

First you became a Duke fan, now FSU....I"m starting to wonder ;)Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeit.:cool:

I made my prediction and I'm sticking to it!

[bobmc]

UNC is a lock to get to the semis and if I wasn't a homer and held out the hope MD can knock them out in the semifinals I would say a lock for the finals. Im like 95% sure the good UNC team is showing up for this tourny and if that happens they are gonna be pretty much impossible to beat. Cream rises to the top and I expect them to roll to the title.

Ex-squeeze me???? :confused:

Cream is all slow and white and fatty. However, Terps are pretty slow also - but slow and steady .....

Enough with anal (pun intended) - ogies. I love my Terps but I see UVA doing the destiny thing. :( (Yardbirds13 agree? :) )

[Lefty0315]

FSU is up 38-36 at the half. Thorton had a big half with 18 points.

[Mackus]

FSU is up 38-36 at the half. Thorton had a big half with 18 points.And 14 of those points came in the last 8 minutes.

Starting with their game against Miami last weekend, it looks like Thornton has decided to be the guy the rest of the way this season. He really wants to get them to the tournament. Should be a great finish to today's game and hopefully if FSU wins they can give UNC a tough game.

[Sports Guy]

And 14 of those points came in the last 8 minutes.

Starting with their game against Miami last weekend, it looks like Thornton has decided to be the guy the rest of the way this season. He really wants to get them to the tournament. Should be a great finish to today's game and hopefully if FSU wins they can give UNC a tough game.

Thorton is a beast...Looks like he is a top 10 pick this year.

FSU needs this win today to get into the tourney..I think they should be in if they win but i don't think it is a slam dunk.

I do think they will beat UNC tommorrow and i think Thornton will be the main reason why.

[Mackus]

If FSU doesn't win today (which I think they will) it will be because they play stupid. Hamilton is a very good coach, but why he doesn't give the ball to Thornton every single play is beyond me. He should at least touch the ball every set. Its been 4 minutes in the 2nd half and he hasn't taken a shot yet (at least according to the gamecast I'm following online).

[Lefty0315]

Thorton has 3 fouls with just under 14 minutes to play. He is still in the game. If he fouls out FSU done.

[rolliefingers]

If FSU doesn't win today (which I think they will) it will be because they play stupid. Hamilton is a very good coach, but why he doesn't give the ball to Thornton every single play is beyond me. He should at least touch the ball every set. Its been 4 minutes in the 2nd half and he hasn't taken a shot yet (at least according to the gamecast I'm following online).Yeah, not to compare the two, but Thornton is FSU's own Durant right now. He's just playing out of his mind, and you've gotta give him the rock.

[Mackus]

Hammonds with 3 as well for Clemson, that could be big as well. Thornton is obviously the better player, but if both guys are out, I think FSU can hold off Clemson.

[beaner]

Again, they'll be lucky to beat Clemson. Why everyone loves FSU is beyond me.

[Sports Guy]

Again, they'll be lucky to beat Clemson. Why everyone loves FSU is beyond me.

BEcause they have the best player on the court against pretty much every team they play and they can shoot.

They are also a top 10 FT shooting team.

Tie game, just over a minute left.

[beaner]

BEcause they have the best player on the court against pretty much every team they play and they can shoot.

They are also a top 10 FT shooting team.

Tie game, just over a minute left.

Yes, but they were the 9th best team in the ACC this year, reading these posts you would think they were #9 in the country...They're ok, don't get me wrong, but this FSU love is a bit much.

[Mackus]

Again, they'll be lucky to beat Clemson. Why everyone loves FSU is beyond me.
Like Rob said, they have without a doubt the best player in the conference and are the best FT shooting team in the conference. They're definitely a dangerous team. They've got their weaknesses, which is why they can play tight with a team like Clemson, but they've also got their strengths, which is why they could shock a team like UNC.

[beaner]

Like Rob said, they have without a doubt the best player in the conference and are the best FT shooting team in the conference. They're definitely a dangerous team. They've got their weaknesses, which is why they can play tight with a team like Clemson, but they've also got their strengths, which is why they could shock a team like UNC.

I hear you, but let's just see if they can beat an inferior Clemson team before we give them a victory over the #1 seed tomorrow.

[Lefty0315]

All even with 54 seconds to go. I believe it is FSU's ball.

[Sports Guy]

There is one thing that keeps FSU from being a top20 team IMO...Stupidity.

They just play dumb. The second half of this game is a good example..Not going to Thorton and stupid shot selection.

BTW, FSU ball with 8 seconds left..Clemson just committed a backcourt. Tie game.

[Sports Guy]

I hear you, but let's just see if they can beat an inferior Clemson team before we give them a victory over the #1 seed tomorrow.
LOL..Now the truth comes out...You and ND get so touchy when anyone thinks someone can beat UNC.

[beaner]

LOL..Now the truth comes out...You and ND get so touchy when anyone thinks someone can beat UNC.

Terrible call to cost CLemson the game, that's awful. By the way, that has nothing to do with it at all...FSU wont beat Carolina no matter how many people predict it.

[Mackus]

Terrible call to cost CLemson the game, that's awful. By the way, that has nothing to do with it at all...FSU wont beat Carolina no matter how many people predict it.
Won't and can't are two very different things.

I don't think they will, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think they can. Anytime you have a player like Thornton on your team, you have a chance to win.

[Sports Guy]

FSU advances.....Tough to end the game on a foul call and may not have even been a foul...Of course, the refs did a poor job of not calling the foul on Douglas when he was shooting a 3.

Does this make FSU a lock???

[beaner]

Won't and can't are two very different things.

I don't think they will, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think they can. Anytime you have a player like Thornton on your team, you have a chance to win.

If they play like they did today, Carolina wins by 20.. But yes, anything can happen on any given day.

[Sports Guy]

If they play like they did today, Carolina wins by 20.

That's if UNC plays well and actually decides to play defense.

If UNC has a defensive lapse, FSU can put 90+ up on them.

[Mackus]

Does this make FSU a lock???
Not even close. They'd be a lock with a win over UNC.

They're probably one of the last 4 out at this point. If other conference tournaments go as expected and other bubble teams lose, theres a good chance they get in. GT isn't even definitely a lock at this point even though they'll still likely get in even with a 1st round loss.

[Sports Guy]

Not even close. They'd be a lock with a win over UNC.

They're probably one of the last 4 out at this point. If other conference tournaments go as expected and other bubble teams lose, theres a good chance they get in. GT isn't even definitely a lock at this point even though they'll still likely get in even with a 1st round loss.

GT is without a doubt a lock now.

[EddieO's21]

Not even close. They'd be a lock with a win over UNC.

They're probably one of the last 4 out at this point. If other conference tournaments go as expected and other bubble teams lose, theres a good chance they get in. GT isn't even definitely a lock at this point even though they'll still likely get in even with a 1st round loss.

GT is a lock, i don't see them being left out...Florida State is not in right now...I think a close game with UNC gets them in however, they are that close

[Sports Guy]

Lunardi has GT as a #9 seed now.

BTW, don't forget the fact that FSU lost some down the stretch without Douglas, their starting PG. The committee will look at that.

[beaner]

That's if UNC plays well and actually decides to play defense.

If UNC has a defensive lapse, FSU can put 90+ up on them.

All true, but can't you say that about any game really...

[rolliefingers]

If they beat UNC, they're a lock.

And I'm not changing my prediction.

[Mackus]

GT is without a doubt a lock now.
I don't think they're a stone cold lock. If they lose by 20+ and theres some other bubble teams that play really well, they could get bumped out.

I don't think that will happen, but a scenario exists in which they could be NIT bound, so they aren't a complete lock. I think they have about a 90% chance of making the tournament though, if not higher.

FSU is still probably about 50/50 at this point.

[beaner]

I don't think they're a stone cold lock. If they lose by 20+ and theres some other bubble teams that play really well, they could get bumped out.

I don't think that will happen, but a scenario exists in which they could be NIT bound, so they aren't a complete lock. I think they have about a 90% chance of making the tournament though, if not higher.

FSU is still probably about 50/50 at this point.

If Georgia Tech loses tonight, which I think they might, they could be in trouble. I do agree that FSU may still need another win to get in.

[beaner]

If they beat UNC, they're a lock.

And I'm not changing my prediction.

Agreed, but that's a BIG if...

[rolliefingers]

Agreed, but that's a BIG if...OK, we get it, you don't think FSU can beat your precious Heels. Jeez.:D

I also think FSU could get in if it's a close game all the way through. Like, if they're tied in the last minute and lose by 2 or 3, that might be enough to put them in.

[ccbird]

Thorton is indeed a beast. Foul call at the end was horrible. Thorton was out of control on the drive. You can't make that call and at the end of a game between two teams fighting for their NCAA tourny lives. You got to let them play 5 more min.


FSU isn't a lock by any means. I think they are in the same boat MD was last year against BC. If they win they are in, if they play UNC close I think they have a good shot, but if they get blown out I think it severly hurts their chances.

Beaner.....don't worry after tommorow FSU's name won't be mentioned on this thread anymore. UNC by at least 10.

[beaner]

OK, we get it, you don't think FSU can beat your precious Heels. Jeez.:D

I also think FSU could get in if it's a close game all the way through. Like, if they're tied in the last minute and lose by 2 or 3, that might be enough to put them in.

I'd say it if MAryland was the top seed too, I promise you. I have nothing against Florida State to be honest, I just think this sudden love for them on here is odd. I could go back and look at every College Hoops thread since November and I don't think I could find any FSU love at all.

[ccbird]

On to UMD-Miami. I'm actually not too worried here which is never the case when the Terps play an ACC tourny game. They are rolling and have some motivation for beating Miami after the loss at Comcast. I would like to see them jump on Miami early and have the luxury of resting some guys down the stretch.

[Sports Guy]

I don't think they're a stone cold lock. If they lose by 20+ and theres some other bubble teams that play really well, they could get bumped out.

I don't think that will happen, but a scenario exists in which they could be NIT bound, so they aren't a complete lock. I think they have about a 90% chance of making the tournament though, if not higher.

FSU is still probably about 50/50 at this point.
I don't agree with you about GT.

They finished 8-8 in the best conference in the country(even by RPI)..They have wins over BC, UNC, Duke and Memphis..They have 8 top 50 rpi wins and they have won 7 of their last 10.

Now, if they lose to Wake and alot of other bubble teams win their tourneys or win alot of big games, MAYBE they could get in trouble but i just don't think it will happen. I think you can pencil them in.

[beaner]

On to UMD-Miami. I'm actually not too worried here which is never the case when the Terps play an ACC tourny game. They are rolling and have some motivation for beating Miami after the loss at Comcast. I would like to see them jump on Miami early and have the luxury of resting some guys down the stretch.

I'd have to agree, I don't expect much of a game here. Good luck to all my Terp/Duke(last Sunday)/FSU friends..;)

[rolliefingers]

I'd say it if MAryland was the top seed too, I promise you. I have nothing against Florida State to be honest, I just think this sudden love for them on here is odd. I could go back and look at every College Hoops thread since November and I don't think I could find any FSU love at all.It's not just random love for no reason; I outlined my reasons pretty clearly. And Thornton dropping 40-plus the other night is what really solidified it for me.

[Mackus]

I don't agree with you about GT.

Now, if they lose to Wake and alot of other bubble teams win their tourneys or win alot of big games, MAYBE they could get in trouble but i just don't think it will happen. I think you can pencil them in.
Actually, it sounds like you do agree with me about GT :)

[beaner]

It's not just random love for no reason; I outlined my reasons pretty clearly. And Thornton dropping 40-plus the other night is what really solidified it for me.

Thornton is terrific and I do understand how some of you believe that he can carry a team in a big setting. You did outline your reasons for thinking FSU can win the tourney, I'm just giving you a hard time.

[beaner]

Actually, it sounds like you do agree with me about GT :)

Come on, guys, jump on the Wake Forest over Ga Tech bandwagon..I'm flying solo on that pick right now.

[Sports Guy]

Come on, guys, jump on the Wake Forest over Ga Tech bandwagon..I'm flying solo on that pick right now.

That is because you are wrong. :D

HEck, i would like to see GT lose that game, as that would take away the best team in Duke's bracket, IMO, before they get to Sunday.

[rolliefingers]

That is because you are wrong. :D

HEck, i would like to see GT lose that game, as that would take away the best team in Duke's bracket, IMO, before they get to Sunday.Go ahead, SG, plenty of room on that bandwagon!

[beaner]

That is because you are wrong. :D

HEck, i would like to see GT lose that game, as that would take away the best team in Duke's bracket, IMO, before they get to Sunday.

Probably, but It's always fun to go out on a limb...I just have a feeling about that one.

[ccbird]

LOL @ me thinking MD would be ready to play an ACC tourny game. Disgusting effort so far. This is the MD team from the middle of the year that plays stupid basketball, gets down on themselves and then gets outhustled.

Hello Gary, they are playing a zone how about getting your best outside shooters in Hayes and Jones into the game.

[ccbird]

Thanks Gary...For the rest of my life now I can never expect to win an ACC tourny game.:mad:

[Sports Guy]

Round 1:

MD over Miami
Duke over NC St
FSU over Clemson
GT over Wake

Round 2:

Duke over UVA
MD over BC
FSU over UNC
GT over VT

Round 3:

MD over FSU
Duke over GT

Round 4:

Duke over MD


I am going to go out on a limb and say this won't happen. :D

[Flosman]

I am going to go out on a limb and say this won't happen. :D

Maybe they can play a scrimmage tomorrow.:D

[Sports Guy]

Hats off to the "bottomfeeders" though.

MD and Duke have no business losing to Miami and State but they were playing teams that know they aren't going anywhere and they had nothing to lose. Those types of teams can be dangerous and they are proving it today.

[BmoreBoy]

My predictions:

1st Round:
Maryland over Miami
Georgia Tech over Wake
Duke over NCST
FSU over Clemson

2nd Round:
UNC over FSU
Virginia over Duke
Georgia Tech over Viginia Tech
Maryland over Boston College

3rd Round:
Maryland over UNC
Virginia over Georgia Tech

Final:
Maryland over Virginia

Ha ha, not quite...still one more game too. It would be funny if FSU beat UNC (to get into the NCAA tourny), then lost to Miami in the semi finals. Then Miami faces and beats GT giving the ACC 9 bids.

That's what I'm cheering for now.

[Sports Guy]

FSU/GT final????

[beaner]

FSU/GT final????

Forget that, how about Wake-Miami!!

[Sports Guy]

Forget that, how about Wake-Miami!!

As long as FSu beats UNC...Get 9 teams in for the ACC...Would be pretty cool.

[beaner]

As long as FSu beats UNC...Get 9 teams in for the ACC...Would be pretty cool.

It'll be 8 IF FSU beats Carolina...which at this point, who the hell knows. Today has been crazy...Don't sleep on Wake!!!

[Sports Guy]

It'll be 8 IF FSU beats Carolina...which at this point, who the hell knows. Today has been crazy...Don't sleep on Wake!!!

Well, i guess you can argue Tech stiull has something to play for....MD and Duke really didn't except seeding and pride.

[beaner]

Well, i guess you can argue Tech stiull has something to play for....MD and Duke really didn't except seeding and pride.

I guess, although I think Tech is in even if Wake upsets them. Duke and Md probably hurt their seeding a little..Maryland probably gets a 5 and Duke a 6 or 7.

[BmoreBoy]

If Miami beats BC what do you think it'll do to our seeding. I imagine we would be more likely to grab a 5 (or even maybe a 4) instead of a 6.

[beaner]

Wow, now that is a prediction!! Nicely done! Also, I'm leaning towards changing my mind and picking a shocker for tomorrow...Wake Forest over Georgia Tech....Can't wait to get it started.

That's what I'm talking about!!!

[YardBirds13]

Wow. Simply unreal. Just walked back into the hotel room. What an unbelievable day of basketball. That might be the best round of games I've ever seen. All 4 games came down to the last posession. Anyways, some thoughts:

Florida State over Clemson. Great start to the day, again looked like Thornton simply wasn't going to let them lose. After Hammonds turned the ball over, Thornton walked right up to Leonard Hamilton and was pointing at himself, like "This is my shot". Live, I thought the foul was legit, but after seeing it on TV it was definitely a bad call. But Thornton was huge, and i cant wait to see him against the Heels tomorrow.

Miami over Maryland. Haven't looked at the thread on this game, but I'm guessing you guys are pissed. They looked really flat in the first half. Gist played his worst half of the year. They made a nice run to make it close, but just couldn't get it done. Miami dominated the boards, and Ibekwe was AWFUL. He took about 5 jump shots from outside the paint that he had no business taking, and just all-around played terribly. Tough loss for the Terps, I think they will still be a 5 seed though.

NC State over Duke. Unreal game. Costner was sensational. Paulus played really well for Duke. Atsur, Scheyer, Grant, McRoberts, McCauley, Nelson. Just a lot of players stepping up and making plays. Great end of regulation and overtime was great with both teams scoring back and forth. Great atmosphere as everyone in there was rooting against Duke.

Wake over Georgia Tech. Can words even describe that *****? Good god. What a game. This is unreal. I can't even wait for tomorrow!!!

[JohnD]

The end of the Wake/Tech game was absolutely amazing. Some of the most thrilling hoops I've seen in a while. I love this time of year.

[Sports Guy]

That's what I'm talking about!!!

Good call Beaner...Has this ever happened before? All 4 lower seeds win on day 1 of a conference tourney?

[JohnD]

Florida State was the 8 seed, not the 9, but I get your point. I doubt it ever happened before, but that's because we've only had expanded seedings the past couple of years.

[beaner]

Florida State was the 8 seed, not the 9, but I get your point. I doubt it ever happened before, but that's because we've only had expanded seedings the past couple of years.

FSU was the 9...I'ts gotta be the only time that's happened.

[beaner]

Good call Beaner...Has this ever happened before? All 4 lower seeds win on day 1 of a conference tourney?

Thanks, man. What a game that was!

[JohnD]

Wow, I stand corrected. Twas a hell of a day yesterday.

[Sports Guy]

Thanks, man. What a game that was!
Yes it was..For what i saw...Kept falling asleep. :mad:

You are pretty scary Beaner...You have had some preminitions(sp?) this year and been right alot of the time....You must have ESPn. :D

[beaner]

Wow. Simply unreal. Just walked back into the hotel room. What an unbelievable day of basketball. That might be the best round of games I've ever seen. All 4 games came down to the last posession. Anyways, some thoughts:

Florida State over Clemson. Great start to the day, again looked like Thornton simply wasn't going to let them lose. After Hammonds turned the ball over, Thornton walked right up to Leonard Hamilton and was pointing at himself, like "This is my shot". Live, I thought the foul was legit, but after seeing it on TV it was definitely a bad call. But Thornton was huge, and i cant wait to see him against the Heels tomorrow.

Miami over Maryland. Haven't looked at the thread on this game, but I'm guessing you guys are pissed. They looked really flat in the first half. Gist played his worst half of the year. They made a nice run to make it close, but just couldn't get it done. Miami dominated the boards, and Ibekwe was AWFUL. He took about 5 jump shots from outside the paint that he had no business taking, and just all-around played terribly. Tough loss for the Terps, I think they will still be a 5 seed though.

NC State over Duke. Unreal game. Costner was sensational. Paulus played really well for Duke. Atsur, Scheyer, Grant, McRoberts, McCauley, Nelson. Just a lot of players stepping up and making plays. Great end of regulation and overtime was great with both teams scoring back and forth. Great atmosphere as everyone in there was rooting against Duke.

Wake over Georgia Tech. Can words even describe that *****? Good god. What a game. This is unreal. I can't even wait for tomorrow!!!


Great day, I'm sure you had a blast...The only neagative was that Clemson's season had to end on a phantom foul...Really really bad call.

[beaner]

Yes it was..For what i saw...Kept falling asleep. :mad:

You are pretty scary Beaner...You have had some preminitions(sp?) this year and been right alot of the time....You must have ESPn. :D


It's better to be lucky than good my friend...

[Sports Guy]

Great day, I'm sure you had a blast...The only neagative was that Clemson's season had to end on a phantom foul...Really really bad call.

That was bs BUT Douglas was clearly fouled when he was shooting a 3 near the end of the game and the refs didn't call it...End of the day, alot of stuff evens out.

[YardBirds13]

By the way, best line of the day yesterday came from my younger brother.

(beaner, you'll love this)

We were checking scores from other conferences on his cell phone, and I told him the Michigan-Minnesota score was 49-40. He asked if it was at halftime. I said no, its a Final. He looked at me for a split second and said, and I quote

"Jesus, I'd rather kill myself than go to the Big Ten Tournament"


Classic.



Anyways, 4 more good ones on tap today.


GO HOOOS!!!!!

[JohnD]

College hoops are like crabcakes. The further you get from the Atlantic Coast, the worst it's going to be.

[rolliefingers]

College hoops are like crabcakes. The further you get from the Atlantic Coast, the worst it's going to be.I bet if Miami played in the Big Ten, they'd have at least a winning record.

[rolliefingers]

Come on Thornton...

[Sports Guy]

FSU has allowed them to get a 14-0 run...Pretty much ballgame there.

[JohnD]

Game set match. The Noles are done.

[Sports Guy]

Game set match. The Noles are done.

Yep..They are short on everything....They have no legs and UNC's big run has killed them mentally as well.

[GoBirds05]

What happened at half of unc game that led to those technicals.

[beaner]

Ok, now that the ridiculous notion of FSU beating Carolina is over, can we talk about the flagrant foul again..;)

Good solid effort from the Heels, easy game as expected. Good to see Ellington step up a little.

[ccbird]

Yes Beaner, the FSU bandwagon is now empty. FSU played hard even after UNC extended the lead to 20 early in the 2nd half. Got to give them credit for not packing it in and fighting until the end. UNC is just too good and is ready for this tournament. I think the pop to Hansbrough's nose may have been the wake up call for the whole team. They are gonna roll to this title with relative ease.

[beaner]

Yes Beaner, the FSU bandwagon is now empty. FSU played hard even after UNC extended the lead to 20 early in the 2nd half. Got to give them credit for not packing it in and fighting until the end. UNC is just too good and is ready for this tournament. I think the pop to Hansbrough's nose may have been the wake up call for the whole team. They are gonna roll to this title with relative ease.

Couldn't agree more..It was a wake up call, they've been kind of flat recently and played well today.

[rolliefingers]

Couldn't agree more..It was a wake up call, they've been kind of flat recently and played well today.*hides from Beaner*

[beaner]

*hides from Beaner*

I still love ya though...Now do me a favor and stop rooting against the Heels at least the rest of the ACC Tournament.

[JohnD]

How about Miami? They're Terrapining Boston College here this afternoon. Wacky stuff.

[BmoreBoy]

Miami couldn't hold on =( I wanted them to win it all.

[beaner]

Miami can't hold on =( I wanted them to win it all.

Nice comeback by BC, it's about time they showed some heart out there.

[Sports Guy]

I hope BC beats UNC but that will probably be the only way i can root for BC.

[beaner]

I hope BC beats UNC but that will probably be the only way i can root for BC.


Yea, I cant root for BC for any reason at all..Last year's title game was torture for me. I don't think they'll beat us tomorrow, however Hansbrough was obviously affected by the mask all game long and BC isnt the type of team to take pity on anyone. They're rough and physical..We'll see.

[JohnD]

State knocks off UVA now. Wow did they look good doing it too. Just about every game has been great entertainment to watch.

[ccbird]

Yeah, another good game. Very entertaining tournament so far.

Virginia is horrible away from home. They have 1st rd exit written all over them.

[Sports Guy]

State knocks off UVA now. Wow did they look good doing it too. Just about every game has been great entertainment to watch.
State have to be wondering what if Atsur was healthy all year.

The 2 big guys down low and Atsur are all good players...And they have some decent role players as well.

[JohnD]

No question. Kostner looked great, and some of the supporting players were at the top of their games.

I'd say it looks like the winner of tomorrow's first semifinal will end up winning it all, but since just about dang near everything has gone against conventional wisdom, I won't.

[beaner]

I'll stick to my original prediction of Carolina over Va Tech in the final..although plenty of wrong picks along the way of course. NCSU can't possbily beat Va Tech three times in one year, can they?

[JohnD]

Especially on a third straight day of playing, I just can't see it. Plus, when you outscore someone by 22 points in the second half, after playing in OT the night before, you have to be running ragged.

[beaner]

Especially on a third straight day of playing, I just can't see it. Plus, when you outscore someone by 22 points in the second half, after playing in OT the night before, you have to be running ragged.

Good points, and it's not like Virginia Tech had a tough game tonight. I'm very impressed with both of State's wins this weekend, but it ends for them on Saturday.

[YardBirds13]

Well, first of all, let;s say I had a little less fun today than yesterday.

Carolina looked awesome in the first game, and BC looked really sluggish in the first 30 minutes against Miami. Nice job to come back and get an OT win.

Then comes the Virginia-State game. We are up 14 at halftime. We were rolling. Sean was hitting everything. We were gettting turnovers and running. God. 14. 14. 14. 14. 14. at the half.

Everything fell apart in the second half. NC State ran that pick-back screen-back cut that got them open lay ups. When they didnt have the open lay-up, they drained 3's. They shot 74 percent from the field in the second half. 74 percent. Good god.

Anyways, even with all of that, with 2 minutes left, we are down 2, and Mamadi Diane gets an offensive rebound and hits the jumper in the lane and gets fouled to tie it up! He goes to the line to go for the lead!! We are going bonkers in our section. Then. We see the refs walking the other way. And we finally realize. They called an offensive foul on Diane. Absolute horst *****. I hate when people complain about refs in games. I hate it. There were a ton of reasons for us to have not won tonight, but even with all of that, we should have had Diane at the line to go up 1 with under two minutes to go. Absolutely crushing. Then Grant came down and scored and it was over after that. God. I'm still hurting from this one. Up 14 at the half.

Anyways, we are probably gonna be a 7 seed now, a 6 if we are lucky. Semis tomorrow, Carolina-BC and State-Tech. At this point, I'm rooting for State to go ahead and take the whole thing and get the ACC another team in the tournament.

Somebody give me a reason not to absolutely expect to lose our first round NCAA game. Please. Cuz I can't find one.

[beaner]

Well, first of all, let;s say I had a little less fun today than yesterday.

Carolina looked awesome in the first game, and BC looked really sluggish in the first 30 minutes against Miami. Nice job to come back and get an OT win.

Then comes the Virginia-State game. We are up 14 at halftime. We were rolling. Sean was hitting everything. We were gettting turnovers and running. God. 14. 14. 14. 14. 14. at the half.

Everything fell apart in the second half. NC State ran that pick-back screen-back cut that got them open lay ups. When they didnt have the open lay-up, they drained 3's. They shot 74 percent from the field in the second half. 74 percent. Good god.

Anyways, even with all of that, with 2 minutes left, we are down 2, and Mamadi Diane gets an offensive rebound and hits the jumper in the lane and gets fouled to tie it up! He goes to the line to go for the lead!! We are going bonkers in our section. Then. We see the refs walking the other way. And we finally realize. They called an offensive foul on Diane. Absolute horst *****. I hate when people complain about refs in games. I hate it. There were a ton of reasons for us to have not won tonight, but even with all of that, we should have had Diane at the line to go up 1 with under two minutes to go. Absolutely crushing. Then Grant came down and scored and it was over after that. God. I'm still hurting from this one. Up 14 at the half.

Anyways, we are probably gonna be a 7 seed now, a 6 if we are lucky. Semis tomorrow, Carolina-BC and State-Tech. At this point, I'm rooting for State to go ahead and take the whole thing and get the ACC another team in the tournament.

Somebody give me a reason not to absolutely expect to lose our first round NCAA game. Please. Cuz I can't find one.

The announcers didn't expect that call either, and Leitao was furious. I think you guys will win at least one in the Tourney. We'll re analyze when the brackets come out and we know where everybody is.

What I really wanted to ask you was how have the crowds been. I can only assume that Carolina brought a ton of people, as did State because they usually do as well. Any other teams well represented down there?

[JohnD]

When I watched the play live, I thought it was a foul on Diane. Even said it to my roommate. Watching the one replay they showed in slo mo, I was a little less certain. But my first reaction was that it was an offensive foul.

Besides, they more than made up for it with a gift and a half given to Singletary on one of his three-point field goals that didn't go shortly after. He flopped like new coke and still ended up at the line for 3.

[EddieO's21]

Well, first of all, let;s say I had a little less fun today than yesterday.

Carolina looked awesome in the first game, and BC looked really sluggish in the first 30 minutes against Miami. Nice job to come back and get an OT win.

Then comes the Virginia-State game. We are up 14 at halftime. We were rolling. Sean was hitting everything. We were gettting turnovers and running. God. 14. 14. 14. 14. 14. at the half.

Everything fell apart in the second half. NC State ran that pick-back screen-back cut that got them open lay ups. When they didnt have the open lay-up, they drained 3's. They shot 74 percent from the field in the second half. 74 percent. Good god.

Anyways, even with all of that, with 2 minutes left, we are down 2, and Mamadi Diane gets an offensive rebound and hits the jumper in the lane and gets fouled to tie it up! He goes to the line to go for the lead!! We are going bonkers in our section. Then. We see the refs walking the other way. And we finally realize. They called an offensive foul on Diane. Absolute horst *****. I hate when people complain about refs in games. I hate it. There were a ton of reasons for us to have not won tonight, but even with all of that, we should have had Diane at the line to go up 1 with under two minutes to go. Absolutely crushing. Then Grant came down and scored and it was over after that. God. I'm still hurting from this one. Up 14 at the half.

Anyways, we are probably gonna be a 7 seed now, a 6 if we are lucky. Semis tomorrow, Carolina-BC and State-Tech. At this point, I'm rooting for State to go ahead and take the whole thing and get the ACC another team in the tournament.

Somebody give me a reason not to absolutely expect to lose our first round NCAA game. Please. Cuz I can't find one.

As much as I think Virginia had a great year...I am picking them to lose in the first round. One of the worst road teams in the nation. Could they surprise, sure. Will they? Common sense says no

[Dr. FLK]

When I watched the play live, I thought it was a foul on Diane. Even said it to my roommate. Watching the one replay they showed in slo mo, I was a little less certain. But my first reaction was that it was an offensive foul.

Besides, they more than made up for it with a gift and a half given to Singletary on one of his three-point field goals that didn't go shortly after. He flopped like new coke and still ended up at the line for 3.

I also thought it ws an offensive foul. If I were a UVA fan, I'd probably see it differently. But, as a fan of neither team, I thought the right call was made.

[bobmc]

Well, first of all, let;s say I had a little less fun today than yesterday.

Carolina looked awesome in the first game, and BC looked really sluggish in the first 30 minutes against Miami. Nice job to come back and get an OT win.

Then comes the Virginia-State game. We are up 14 at halftime. We were rolling. Sean was hitting everything. We were gettting turnovers and running. God. 14. 14. 14. 14. 14. at the half.

Everything fell apart in the second half. NC State ran that pick-back screen-back cut that got them open lay ups. When they didnt have the open lay-up, they drained 3's. They shot 74 percent from the field in the second half. 74 percent. Good god.

Anyways, even with all of that, with 2 minutes left, we are down 2, and Mamadi Diane gets an offensive rebound and hits the jumper in the lane and gets fouled to tie it up! He goes to the line to go for the lead!! We are going bonkers in our section. Then. We see the refs walking the other way. And we finally realize. They called an offensive foul on Diane. Absolute horst *****. I hate when people complain about refs in games. I hate it. There were a ton of reasons for us to have not won tonight, but even with all of that, we should have had Diane at the line to go up 1 with under two minutes to go. Absolutely crushing. Then Grant came down and scored and it was over after that. God. I'm still hurting from this one. Up 14 at the half.

Anyways, we are probably gonna be a 7 seed now, a 6 if we are lucky. Semis tomorrow, Carolina-BC and State-Tech. At this point, I'm rooting for State to go ahead and take the whole thing and get the ACC another team in the tournament.

Somebody give me a reason not to absolutely expect to lose our first round NCAA game. Please. Cuz I can't find one.

I EXPECT UVA to win. All of the haters will be piling on them for not winning on the road all year, losing in the ACC tourney, yada yada. Leitao is a good coach, and they will have finally learned from the experience of losing and how bad it feels. Convincing? :002_ssmile:

[YardBirds13]

The announcers didn't expect that call either, and Leitao was furious. I think you guys will win at least one in the Tourney. We'll re analyze when the brackets come out and we know where everybody is.

What I really wanted to ask you was how have the crowds been. I can only assume that Carolina brought a ton of people, as did State because they usually do as well. Any other teams well represented down there?

Carolina has, as expected, been the most represented team. They have a ton of fans down here. Duke did as well, but they seemed to have disappeared for some reason;)

State has a good amount, and Florida State had a good turnout seeing as they are the defacto home team. We had a really good turnout as well. Our section was rocking in the first half. Maryland also had a really loud section as well, but again, they were gone by Thursday night.

Miami was pathetic. The tournament was in Florida, and they had maybe 50 fans there. I guess they care more about spring football practice, but to have the tournament in Florida and have that kind of showing was embarrasing.

Georgia Tech, Wake, and Virginia Tech had decent showings. Clemson not so much. BC, considering they still don't get the full allotment of tickets until next year, had a surprisingly strong turnout. They had a group of students in the 300 section (maybe 50 or 60 of them) that stood and cheered and chanted the whole game. Louder than the entire rest of their section.

Anyways, I expect it to be about 50 percent Carolina fans, and 50 percent other fans today. So, everyone will be rooting against the favorite Heels today, and rooting for the underdog WolfPack in the later game.

I'm rooting for a Carolina-State final, because a) it'll get rid of the new ACC teams, b) that would give State a chance to get in the NCAA's and give the ACC 8 bids and c) my brother is a Heels fan and seeing as MD and UVa are out, one of the teams we came down here to see might as well be playing on Sunday.

[YardBirds13]

I EXPECT UVA to win. All of the haters will be piling on them for not winning on the road all year, losing in the ACC tourney, yada yada. Leitao is a good coach, and they will have finally learned from the experience of losing and how bad it feels. Convincing? :002_ssmile:

LOL. Not really bob, but I really appreciate the effort. I'll be telling myself the same things all week.

[bobmc]

LOL. Not really bob, but I really appreciate the effort. I'll be telling myself the same things all week.

They just need two wins over creampuffs to earn the Sweet 16 and validate the season (as do the Twerps)! :)

[Sports Guy]

UNC looking very impressive.

Maybe they can win their first ACC title since the early 1900's. :D

[rolliefingers]

Hm, looks as though Gerald Henderson has awoken the sleeping giant. Thanks, jerk!

[beaner]

Hm, looks as though Gerald Henderson has awoken the sleeping giant. Thanks, jerk!

No doubt about it. They've really played well these two days, and I know everyone is noticing the defense. 7 more!

[beaner]

Hey, where did everybody go???? Bring the ACC Championship back where it belongs tomorrow!!

[YardBirds13]

Carolina looks tough. Should be tons of fun tomorrow.

I'm rooting for State, because I'd love to see the ACC get 8 teams in the Dance.


Glad to see VaTech and BC go out today, we got some real ACC teams in the final this year.

[ccbird]

Hey, where did everybody go???? Bring the ACC Championship back where it belongs tomorrow!!

No worries Beaner.... Like some of us have been saying, UNC has had this tourny locked down from the start.


It would be a shame if they got all cocky and bowed out early in the big dance now.;)

[beaner]

No worries Beaner.... Like some of us have been saying, UNC has had this tourny locked down from the start.


It would be a shame if they got all cocky and bowed out early in the big dance now.;)

Yea, hopefully State gives us a game today, BC and FSU offered nothing...I'm looking forward to the selection show and still am holding out some small hope for a #1 seed.

[YardBirds13]

Yea, hopefully State gives us a game today, BC and FSU offered nothing...I'm looking forward to the selection show and still am holding out some small hope for a #1 seed.

If they win, I certainly think they deserve a 1 seed, but I think it might be better off for you guys to get a 2 seed. I feel like by getting a 2 seed, it could give them a little chip on their shoulder to help them cruise through the tourney.

Anyways, about to leave for the arena. Gotta root for State, get that 8th ACC team in the dance!

[EddieO's21]

i would be shocked if UNC wins and does not get a #1 seed

[beaner]

Much respect to the effort of NC State, they were terrific all weekend..That being said, it's good to have the ACC title back in Chapel Hill.

[YardBirds13]

Much respect to the effort of NC State, they were terrific all weekend..That being said, it's good to have the ACC title back in Chapel Hill.

Wow. What a great game. NC State played fantastic, but Carolina just has too much firepower.

Congrats beaner, and ND. You guys deserve a Number 1 seed.

[beaner]

Wow. What a great game. NC State played fantastic, but Carolina just has too much firepower.

Congrats beaner, and ND. You guys deserve a Number 1 seed.

Thanks, man. I hope we get one...I'm sure we'll discuss the brackets in a few hours.