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Big O
07-27-2007, 12:28 AM
Winter 08 can't get here fast enough!
According to Jayson Stark, the teams have an agreement on a potential deal: Teixeira and C.J. Wilson for Andrus, Salty and Harrison.
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ScottieBaseball
07-27-2007, 12:34 AM
Winter 08 can't get here fast enough!
According to Jayson Stark, the teams have an agreement on a potential deal: Teixeira and C.J. Wilson for Andrus, Salty and Harrison.
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There's nothing at that link that confirms any of that let alone ANYTHING from Stark.
Oriolesfan4life
07-27-2007, 01:27 AM
http://www.mlb4u.com/rumor.php?order=date&spec=DESC
Scroll towards the bottom.
Mark Teixeira, 1B--Texas Rangers: Rangers are willing to trade him in exchange for quality talent, especially major league-ready pitching. However, Buster Olney says with one week left the asking price is dropping and that the Rangers will definitely move him. Tim Brown's sources do not agree with Olney's.
The Red Sox, Giants, Dodgers, Braves, Orioles, Tigers, Yankees and Angels all want Teixeira. However, the Angels and Braves are the two frontrunners to acquire him. Conflicting reports suggest the Red Sox, Yankees and Dodgers are also frontrunners.
The Braves will not move Yunel Escobar, but can offer Salty, Scott Thorman, Jo-Jo Reyes, Elvis Andrus, Jordan Schafer, Matt Harrison, Kyle Davies or Brandon Jones. The Braves would also want a reliever like Ron Mahay or Eric Gagne from Texas. According to Jayson Stark, the teams have an agreement on a potential deal: Teixeira and C.J. Wilson for Andrus, Salty and Harrison.
From the Red Sox, they started out by asking for Clay Buchholz and Jacoby Ellsbury. The teams could settle instead on Michael Bowden, Jon Lester or Kason Gabbard. The Rangers will not make a deal with the Yankees unless they move Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain. The Orioles have Daniel Cabrera, but not much eslse. From the Dodgers, the Rangers wanted James Loney, Clayton Kershaw and Matt Kemp/Andre Ethier, but the Dodgers rather move that many prospects for pitching and stick with Loney. The Dodgers would also want Eric Gagne or Joaquin Benoit in a deal. From the Tigers, they originally asked for Andrew Miller. From the Angels, Texas first asked for Casey Kotchman, Reggie Willits and Nick Adhenart. The Angels, who have not scouted Tex at all this month, are willing to offer Kotchman with Terry Evans or Nathan Haynes and possibly Ervin Santana.
Last updated: 12:24 PM - Jul 26, 07 by MLB4U.com | Source: Buster Olney | Rated: 2.7832 out of 5
Big O
07-27-2007, 01:27 AM
Let me clarify, scroll down to Tex, here is the link, http://www.mlb4u.com/rumor.php?order=date&spec=DESC
Just trying to give some new info with regards to the deal.
TonySoprano
07-27-2007, 01:41 AM
The consensus of clubs we've surveyed is that the only teams that are seriously contemplating paying Texas' Neiman Marcus sticker price are the Braves and Angels. And just the Braves appear prepared to do what it would take to make this blockbuster happen. What it would take is the inclusion of rising star Jarrod Saltalamacchia. And that, according to one baseball man who has been in touch with both sides, is a decision that is "still being debated" in Atlanta. "It's not a given. But it's not impossible. In fact, it's probable." But we're hearing that for the Braves to include Saltalamacchia, they would want more back than just Teixeira. There are rumblings they are also trying to pry loose highly regarded left-handed reliever C.J. Wilson, and Texas is balking at that. But indications are that the two teams now have the outline of a potential deal that would send Teixeira and Wilson to Atlanta for Saltalamacchia, shortstop prospect Elvis Andrus and a pitching prospect (possibly much-touted left-hander Matt Harrison). Source - Stark, ESPN Insider (http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insider/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2949546)
TonySoprano
07-27-2007, 01:48 AM
Where there's smoke there's fire
The game is now, "Can you top this?"
The Braves, major-league sources say, have made the Rangers a whopper of an offer for first baseman Mark Teixeira.
The Rangers evidently would receive three highly regarded young players — catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Class AA left-hander Matt Harrison and Class A shortstop Elvis Andrus — while sending the Braves only Teixeira.
At a time when teams are reluctant to trade inexpensive prospects for high-priced veterans, such a deal would be a coup for Rangers general manager Jon Daniels.
If he can beat the Braves' 3-for-1 proposal, more power to him. Source - Ken Rosenthal (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7065740)
Pedro Cerrano
07-27-2007, 01:57 AM
Wow, this is a STEAL for the Rangers.
SilentJames
07-27-2007, 02:03 AM
Wow, this is a STEAL for the Rangers.
SERIOUSLY! The Braves are crazy.
Pedro Cerrano
07-27-2007, 02:12 AM
I mean the ONLY way this could possibly work out is if the Braves smell blood and feel like the Mets are ripe for the picking in the NL East. A heart of the order of both Jones', Tex, McCann and Frenchy would be quite feared in the NL.
I doubt they extend him, being a Boras client, but if Baltimore is his #1 choice to play, Hotlanta is a close 2nd I'd assume since he went to Ga Tech.
Very interesting.
Moose Milligan
07-27-2007, 02:12 AM
The Rangers pulled off quite a haul, looks like.
Well in the same article, Stark quotes someone as saying it's "still being debated" in Atlanta. "It's not a given. But it's not impossible. In fact, it's probable."
So it may not have been offered.
Pedro Cerrano
07-27-2007, 02:23 AM
I think this is a serious mistake by the Braves. Yes, they need a bat to compete and they are very close to contending but this is so much to give up. If you sent Salty in one deal and Andrus in another you could get two very good players.
davearm
07-27-2007, 02:25 AM
Well in the same article, Stark quotes someone as saying it's "still being debated" in Atlanta. "It's not a given. But it's not impossible. In fact, it's probable."
So it may not have been offered.
"Still being debated" by whom, exactly?
It's Schuerholz's call, no?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not like JS has to go knocking on doors to see if he's got the go-ahead to make a trade.
I think this is a serious mistake by the Braves. Yes, they need a bat to compete and they are very close to contending but this is so much to give up. If you sent Salty in one deal and Andrus in another you could get two very good players.
Yeah, it seems like it's a little too much to give up, however, maybe they want to make one last run with the Jones'. What I really can't believe is they offered Renteria for Garland. That's awful. BTW, since the WS turned that down, I wouldn't think they'd be that interested in Tejada.
"Still being debated" by whom, exactly?
It's Schuerholz's call, no?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not like JS has to go knocking on doors to see if he's got the go-ahead to make a trade.
I don't know, just saying that this may not have been offered yet.
Pedro Cerrano
07-27-2007, 02:30 AM
"Still being debated" by whom, exactly?
It's Schuerholz's call, no?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not like JS has to go knocking on doors to see if he's got the go-ahead to make a trade.
Maybe he's talking to his "Knights of the Round Table" to see if this is a wise decision.
All signs point to the fact that Tex won't sign a long-term deal anywhere because of his agent.
So, the Braves are trading two top 5 prospects (although is Salty still a prospect?) for a 1.45 year rental in the hopes they can win now.
If I were JS I'd make sure this was a wise move and I'd consult with whoever I had to before finalizing the deal.
For the record, I think this is a very bad deal for the Braves. I think the Mets, Brewers, Cubs and Phillies are all better than they are and I don't see them winning a pennant even with Tex this year.
TonySoprano
07-27-2007, 02:30 AM
I doubt they extend him, being a Boras client, but if Baltimore is his #1 choice to play, Hotlanta is a close 2nd I'd assume since he went to Ga Tech.His wife's family still lives in the Atlanta area.
Pedro Cerrano
07-27-2007, 02:31 AM
Yeah, it seems like it's a little too much to give up, however, maybe they want to make one last run with the Jones'. What I really can't believe is they offered Renteria for Garland. That's awful. BTW, since the WS turned that down, I wouldn't think they'd be that interested in Tejada.
The White Sox turned down Garland for Renteria??!?!?!?!?!!?
Kenny Williams not too bright, huh?
Pedro Cerrano
07-27-2007, 02:32 AM
His wife's family still lives in the Atlanta area.
Yea but a Boras client doesn't sign extensions prior to a big FA off-season. Can anyone think of any Boras client that was a big-time player due a big-time K that did this?
Maybe he's talking to his "Knights of the Round Table" to see if this is a wise decision.
All signs point to the fact that Tex won't sign a long-term deal anywhere because of his agent.
So, the Braves are trading two top 5 prospects (although is Salty still a prospect?) for a 1.45 year rental in the hopes they can win now.
If I were JS I'd make sure this was a wise move and I'd consult with whoever I had to before finalizing the deal.
For the record, I think this is a very bad deal for the Braves. I think the Mets, Brewers, Cubs and Phillies are all better than they are and I don't see them winning a pennant even with Tex this year.
Utley broke his hand today, so I'd take them out of that better than the Braves list. But yeah, even with Tex, there's a good chance they don't make the playoffs.
davearm
07-27-2007, 02:34 AM
Yea but a Boras client doesn't sign extensions prior to a big FA off-season. Can anyone think of any Boras client that was a big-time player due a big-time K that did this?
Andruw Jones.
The White Sox turned down Garland for Renteria??!?!?!?!?!!?
Kenny Williams not too bright, huh?
That's what was said in the same Stark article. Well, Williams probably wants younger talent, which would make sense. It was also speculated that he's not really available, but is being floated out there in order to get guys to come into Williams' shop so he can try to unload Contreras.
davearm
07-27-2007, 02:37 AM
Maybe he's talking to his "Knights of the Round Table" to see if this is a wise decision.
All signs point to the fact that Tex won't sign a long-term deal anywhere because of his agent.
So, the Braves are trading two top 5 prospects (although is Salty still a prospect?) for a 1.45 year rental in the hopes they can win now.
If I were JS I'd make sure this was a wise move and I'd consult with whoever I had to before finalizing the deal.
For the record, I think this is a very bad deal for the Braves. I think the Mets, Brewers, Cubs and Phillies are all better than they are and I don't see them winning a pennant even with Tex this year.
You may be right.
I guess without intimate knowledge of the inner workings of the Braves' FO, I'm left to assume that arguably the best GM in baseball, with however many consecutive playoff appearances, has a fair bit of autonomy in these matters.
Perhaps foolishly, I just don't see him caucusing with a team of underlings on this sort of deal.
Pedro Cerrano
07-27-2007, 02:42 AM
You may be right.
I guess without intimate knowledge of the inner workings of the Braves' FO, I'm left to assume that arguably the best GM in baseball, with however many consecutive playoff appearances, has a fair bit of autonomy in these matters.
Perhaps foolishly, I just don't see him caucusing with a team of underlings on this sort of deal.
Well yea I'm sure that it's his sole decision to make. And I'm sure that in the end he will do what he wants regardless. But I think any top executive/leader has to have a group of advisers he trusts.
I doubt every move the Braves make is a unilateral decision. A good GM, IMO, needs to be humble enough to seek advice from those he trusts.
You may be right.
I guess without intimate knowledge of the inner workings of the Braves' FO, I'm left to assume that arguably the best GM in baseball, with however many consecutive playoff appearances, has a fair bit of autonomy in these matters.
Perhaps foolishly, I just don't see him caucusing with a team of underlings on this sort of deal.
Maybe doing that has helped him be one of the best GM's ever?
davearm
07-27-2007, 02:58 AM
Maybe doing that has helped him be one of the best GM's ever?
Well clearly there's an information-gathering element to any GM's job, and for that, delegation of responsibility and reliance on team members (scouts and assistant GMs and so forth) is the order of the day.
But it sure seems to me that once the relevant due diligence is complete, and the groundwork for a deal has been laid, then there's just one guy with a finger on the trigger, and the time for internal debate has passed.
I could be 100% wrong though.
NoVaO
07-27-2007, 03:03 AM
The other thread is locked, but I have to ask if it was really necessary to release the guy who started the "ESPN reports" thread, especially since somebody in that thread confirmed they saw the report? I don't usually get into that kind of stuff, but with all the talk in here talking about the deal being pretty much done, I thought banning the guy, temporarily or not, was a little unnecessary.
Ruzious
07-27-2007, 04:03 AM
Wow, this is a STEAL for the Rangers.
It's a very good trade for them, but I wouldn't call it a steal. Harrison is a very solid prospect, but he projects as a 3/4 starter - no more than that. And Andrus is a long way from the majors.
JTrea81
07-27-2007, 06:56 AM
I think if we were to give them Cabrera, Hoey and Liz/Beato that we could top this offer. The Rangers need pitching, not hitting. Salty is great, but they need somebody with ace potential and DCab still has some potential. Chances are we won't jump in on this but you would think the Rangers would have pulled the trigger on this one by now if this offer was the best one they could get. I think they are going to drag this out until the deadline...
wildcard
07-27-2007, 07:23 AM
His wife's family still lives in the Atlanta area.
Look out for Schuerholtz. This sounds a lot like the chance he took on Hudson. Traded for him, then sign him. He goes for experienced, younger talent. He does not like to deal with Boras, but an extension could happen. Andruw Jones negotiated the deal with Schuerholtz himself. He and his father and then told Boras to finish up the details.
I just read "Built to Win" which is Schuerholtz's story about how he took Atlanta from a loser to 14 division wins and the World Series. It is impressive. He is the anti-Moneyball guy that is a consistent winner.
JTrea81
07-27-2007, 07:37 AM
Look out for Schuerholtz. This sounds a lot like the chance he took on Hudson. Traded for him, then sign him. He goes for experienced, younger talent. He does not like to deal with Boras, but an extension could happen. Andruw Jones negotiated the deal with Schuerholtz himself. He and his father and then told Boras to finish up the details.
I just read "Built to Win" which is Schuerholtz's story about how he took Atlanta from a loser to 14 division wins and the World Series. It is impressive. He is the anti-Moneyball guy that is a consistent winner.
Tex is letting Boras handle all the money matters and you can bet Boras is telling him he can get 20-25 million a year at least in FA. The Braves aren't going to pay that. Schuerholz is looking to win another WS and then take the picks for Tex to rebuild...
wildcard
07-27-2007, 08:07 AM
Tex is letting Boras handle all the money matters and you can bet Boras is telling him he can get 20-25 million a year at least in FA. The Braves aren't going to pay that. Schuerholz is looking to win another WS and then take the picks for Tex to rebuild...
Schuerholtz has researched the family situation. You can bet on that. He knows if Tex's wife as a strong desire to be in Atlanta. He knows how that affects Tex. He knows or has a pretty good idea if he can get a home town discount, which is what he got with Hudson.
Tex has been pretty changable about what he wants, and where he may go. I would not count on Boras having 100% control just yet. It may happen but Schuerholtz may be able to position Tex for an extension. Especially with a year and half to go. He will contrast Altanta's winning, professional, family atmosphere with NY, Baltimore and others. He is effective in selling the Braves culture.
Delduck
07-27-2007, 08:23 AM
I wonder if Texas would flip Salty for some pitching, and how much pitching it would take to get him. And is Texas in a position that they can afford to flip him.?
Sports Guy
07-27-2007, 08:54 AM
Salty, Andrus and Harrison were ranked 1, 2 and 3 by BA this year for the Braves organization.
And they have a deep farm system.
Hank Scorpio
07-27-2007, 08:57 AM
Salty, Andrus and Harrison were ranked 1, 2 and 3 by BA this year for the Braves organization.
And they have a deep farm system.
Phew, it would appear that the Braves would be getting absolutely pantsed in this deal.
This is risky!
Sports Guy
07-27-2007, 09:05 AM
Phew, it would appear that the Braves would be getting absolutely pantsed in this deal.
This is risky!
Or it appears that they realize that these guys are prospects, that they have the depth where this wouldn't hurt them that much and that they want to win.
Too often teams hold onto these prospects like they are gold and get burned.
Or it appears that they realize that these guys are prospects, that they have the depth where this wouldn't hurt them that much and that they want to win.
Too often teams hold onto these prospects like they are gold and get burned.
Paging Bill Stoneman...
odogs101
07-27-2007, 09:07 AM
Salty, Andrus and Harrison were ranked 1, 2 and 3 by BA this year for the Braves organization.
And they have a deep farm system.
Well their system was ranked sixteen in the same publication to our seventeen.
So yes their system is decent but not alot better than ours. Both systems have had guys with down years this year.
Van Pope, Eric Campbell, Rasmus
Erbe, Pope, Reimold
Their system seems to be the opposite of ours. Strength in position players but not much in impact pitching.
bobmc
07-27-2007, 09:07 AM
Phew, it would appear that the Braves would be getting absolutely pantsed in this deal.
This is risky!
Excellent choice of terms - :002_sbiggrin: :cool: - but when it comes to the Bravos, that is rarely the case. We "stole" one of their young arms (Rivera?) way back when and how did that work out? :( :eek:
If this does evolve, I hope both sides win.
NewMarketSean
07-27-2007, 09:07 AM
You have to think that if Tex goes to Atlanta, he stays there for a large part of his career since he went to school there. It's really no different than playing for Baltimore. And Atlanta is a good team that is in the playoff hunt every year.
If Tex goes to ATL, I think we wave our hopes of Tex in Baltimore bye-bye.
Hank Scorpio
07-27-2007, 09:09 AM
Or it appears that they realize that these guys are prospects, that they have the depth where this wouldn't hurt them that much and that they want to win.
Too often teams hold onto these prospects like they are gold and get burned.
Right. It all comes down to scouting and projection, I guess. When you're prospect rich, you can afford to be a little more brave. (No pun intended)
Trading your top 3 prospects is just a steep, steep price, IMO. I suppose if their 3-6's project to be solid ML's... phew what a nice luxury that would be, huh?
odogs101
07-27-2007, 09:09 AM
You have to think that if Tex goes to Atlanta, he stays there for a large part of his career since he went to school there. It's really no different than playing for Baltimore. And Atlanta is a good team that is in the playoff hunt every year.
If Tex goes to ATL, I think we wave our hopes of Tex in Baltimore bye-bye.
Which isn't the end of the world. Even though many may think so. There are other 1B out there
Ruzious
07-27-2007, 09:13 AM
Salty, Andrus and Harrison were ranked 1, 2 and 3 by BA this year for the Braves organization.
And they have a deep farm system.
True, but I'm not sure why they rank Harrison so highly. He's got excellent control, but he's shown to be very hittable. And while Andrus is a heckuva prospect, his OPS is under .700. He's a long way away from the majors. I'd rate a couple of their pitchers higher.
Fan4Life
07-27-2007, 09:13 AM
You have to think that if Tex goes to Atlanta, he stays there for a large part of his career since he went to school there. It's really no different than playing for Baltimore. And Atlanta is a good team that is in the playoff hunt every year.
If Tex goes to ATL, I think we wave our hopes of Tex in Baltimore bye-bye.
Tex isn't ARod... if we lose out on him... it will be a dissapointment, but he isn't going to be the savior of our franchise... his numbers are marginally better than Millar's this season and not much more for his career.
Ruzious
07-27-2007, 09:19 AM
Right. It all comes down to scouting and projection, I guess. When you're prospect rich, you can afford to be a little more brave. (No pun intended)
Trading your top 3 prospects is just a steep, steep price, IMO. I suppose if their 3-6's project to be solid ML's... phew what a nice luxury that would be, huh?
Prospects are nice, but as the song says - "Ain't nothin like the real thing". And I suspect the Braves have a very different internal ranking than Baseball America does - though I'm sure they value Salty; they just don't need him.
tywright
07-27-2007, 09:19 AM
Atlanta's top prospects now are Salty, Brandon Jones (OF), and Yunel Escobar (SS). Andrus has been disappointing this year and Harrison has put up less than spectacular peripheral numbers in AA.
NewMarketSean
07-27-2007, 09:22 AM
Tex isn't ARod... if we lose out on him... it will be a dissapointment, but he isn't going to be the savior of our franchise... his numbers are marginally better than Millar's this season and not much more for his career.
I agree. But the way people talk about him around here you'd think he was GOD.
geschinger
07-27-2007, 09:28 AM
"Still being debated" by whom, exactly?
It's Schuerholz's call, no?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not like JS has to go knocking on doors to see if he's got the go-ahead to make a trade.
He's on a much tighter budget now, adding Teix is adding salary. He probably needs to get that approved.
geschinger
07-27-2007, 09:35 AM
Schuerholtz has researched the family situation. You can bet on that. He knows if Tex's wife as a strong desire to be in Atlanta. He knows how that affects Tex. He knows or has a pretty good idea if he can get a home town discount, which is what he got with Hudson.
Tex has been pretty changable about what he wants, and where he may go. I would not count on Boras having 100% control just yet. It may happen but Schuerholtz may be able to position Tex for an extension. Especially with a year and half to go. He will contrast Altanta's winning, professional, family atmosphere with NY, Baltimore and others. He is effective in selling the Braves culture.
I doubt it. I don't see why Tex would be handled any differently then the last expensive Boras client Schuerholtz acquired (J.D. Drew). My guess is at some point he'll talk to Boras, find out the the numbers don't make any sense and move on. Schuerholz is pretty good at avoiding bad contracts, Boras players usually end up with contracts that are bad for the team. I'd be surprised if he was a Brave in 2009.
Sports Guy
07-27-2007, 10:16 AM
You have to think that if Tex goes to Atlanta, he stays there for a large part of his career since he went to school there. It's really no different than playing for Baltimore. And Atlanta is a good team that is in the playoff hunt every year.
If Tex goes to ATL, I think we wave our hopes of Tex in Baltimore bye-bye.
A few years ago, i talked to a friend of mine who is very close friends with Tex....He told me that he thinks Tex would prefer to be in Atlanta over Baltimore based on coversations they had.
Now, maybe that has changed and maybe it hasn't....I have always said i felt he would be in Atlanta, Baltimore or NY when he went somewhere via FA....i still say that...I would take those teams and give someone the rest of the field.
Now, with that being said, i am not sure Atlanta can sign Tex to an extension.
Kurkijian said Boras is already saying he wants 20 million for Tex and may even want 30...Now, no one is obviously going to pay 30 million for him and really, i think he will be hard pressed to get 20. But for him to sign an extension, someone will have to put a 7 year for 22+ million a year on the table.
I guarantee you Atlanta won't do that.
PoorMike
07-27-2007, 10:40 AM
You have to think that if Tex goes to Atlanta, he stays there for a large part of his career since he went to school there. It's really no different than playing for Baltimore. And Atlanta is a good team that is in the playoff hunt every year.
If Tex goes to ATL, I think we wave our hopes of Tex in Baltimore bye-bye.
Yep.
The silver lining is that life can get back to normal for anyone who was consumed with the idea of getting him here.
wildcard
07-27-2007, 10:50 AM
I think you are underestimating Schuerholtz.
Several of the Braves high priced players are aging or becoming FA.
Smoltz is 40, Chipper Jones is 35, Andruw Jones is a FA.
Tex is 27. He would be the new face or the Braves along with Hudson. I can see Schuerholtz offering $18-20M for 8 to 10 years. Then he would make decisions on picking up options and/or signing FAs based on what is best for the long term success of the club.
Schuerholtz let Glavine, Maddox and Millwood go when he though it was best for the long term health of the Braves. I can see him doing the same in this case.
Who would you rather spend big money on A. Jones or Tex.? I think Schuerholtz would believe that Tex is a better long term bet.
Mackus
07-27-2007, 10:53 AM
You have to think that if Tex goes to Atlanta, he stays there for a large part of his career since he went to school there. It's really no different than playing for Baltimore. And Atlanta is a good team that is in the playoff hunt every year.
If Tex goes to ATL, I think we wave our hopes of Tex in Baltimore bye-bye.I disagree completely. They can't afford to resign Andruw Jones, and Jones won't get as big of a deal as Teixeira will. Additionally, there is only a very slim chance that he signs an extension before hitting FA anyways when he will go to the highest bidder.
PoorMike
07-27-2007, 10:58 AM
I disagree completely. They can't afford to resign Andruw Jones, and Jones won't get as big of a deal as Teixeira will. Additionally, there is only a very slim chance that he signs an extension before hitting FA anyways when he will go to the highest bidder.
Let's put it this way: if ATL wants him and is willing to offer 18-20/yr, then (considering he lived there , his wife's family is there, and the Braves contend every year) it would be hard for us to compete with that. I'm not saying he defeinitely will stay in ATL, but I think that ATL's offer would be hard for BAL to beat (though maybe LAA or NYY could).
davearm
07-27-2007, 12:16 PM
Salty, Andrus and Harrison were ranked 1, 2 and 3 by BA this year for the Braves organization.
And they have a deep farm system.
That's the glass-half-full view.
The glass-half empty view is:
Salty's coming off of an alarmingly poor 2006 season, and he's accumulated an unimpressive 820 OPS in 1300+ MiLB ABs. His age and position seem to be masking some pretty noteworthy red flags.
Andrus' only virtues are age and projectability. The guy's struggling mightily, and that's in the low minors. The list of young guys with tons of projectability that crashed and burned well short of MLB is long indeed.
Harrison has a back-of-the-rotation profile with just-OK peripherals in AA.
JGuthrie46
07-27-2007, 12:27 PM
I've heard that Texeira really wants to play for the O's from this trade. Largely because his hometown is Baltimore, and his child role model was Cal Ripken Jr. I really do hope O's trade Daniel Cabrera for Texeira, Cabrera's still got a lot of prove and his mechanics are barely holding. Since Texeira did well in Arlington, and his home stats and away stats differ by A LOT. He should do pretty good in one of the smallest park Camden Yards.
davearm
07-27-2007, 12:39 PM
That was downright painful.
Sports Guy
07-27-2007, 12:55 PM
That's the glass-half-full view.
The glass-half empty view is:
Salty's coming off of an alarmingly poor 2006 season, and he's accumulated an unimpressive 820 OPS in 1300+ MiLB ABs. His age and position seem to be masking some pretty noteworthy red flags.
Andrus' only virtues are age and projectability. The guy's struggling mightily, and that's in the low minors. The list of young guys with tons of projectability that crashed and burned well short of MLB is long indeed.
Harrison has a back-of-the-rotation profile with just-OK peripherals in AA.
Don't disagree...Just stating what the facts are heading into this season.
This would also seem to go against what you have been saying about teams and trading prospects.
bobmc
07-27-2007, 01:46 PM
I keep thinking that all of this borass hoo haa has to impact the Wieters negotiations, but maybe not :confused: . If the Tex song and dance all ends by 7/31, they have 15 days to consummate an agreement, but that is cutting it close. :(
Don't disagree...Just stating what the facts are heading into this season.
This would also seem to go against what you have been saying about teams and trading prospects.
If that's the best the Rangers can get for Tex, I think it supports what Dave and myself have been saying.
davearm
07-27-2007, 02:39 PM
Don't disagree...Just stating what the facts are heading into this season.
This would also seem to go against what you have been saying about teams and trading prospects.
Well my eyes have certainly gone a bit bugeyed reading some of these purported offers for Tex.
I guess we'll just have to see how close to reality any of these reports are. I know you expressed the opposite opinion, but I definitely see Tex getting traded this week.
Sports Guy
07-27-2007, 03:01 PM
Well my eyes have certainly gone a bit bugeyed reading some of these purported offers for Tex.
I guess we'll just have to see how close to reality any of these reports are. I know you expressed the opposite opinion, but I definitely see Tex getting traded this week.
If these are for real, i am surprised he hasn't been dealt. That's why i don't think he will be moved.
geschinger
07-27-2007, 03:55 PM
If these are for real, i am surprised he hasn't been dealt. That's why i don't think he will be moved.
I think he'll end up getting dealt to the Braves and that the delay has more to do w/Schuerholz trying to get permission to raise payroll.