Ray Lewis

[frankpembleton]

Ray Lewis turned in one of his greatest performances ever yesterday. He was all over the field and playing like his life depended on it - all with one arm. Just absolutely amazing.

There is no doubt how much this guy wants to win another Super Bowl. I just hope the offense can help make it happen.

[NewMarketSean]

I hope his injury doesn't force him to miss any time. We need him out there, especially after seeing him in action last night.

[tywright]

http://myespn.go.com/profile/hashmarks?archiveId=3

More On Ray Lewis' Injury

September 10, 2007 11:56 PM


As first reported on Hashmarks, Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis played almost the entire game tonight with a torn right triceps. Moments after the game, his arm was so heavily bandaged that he couldn't put it next to his side.

When I asked him if his triceps was torn, Lewis said, "Yeah, I think it is."

He said the injury occurred on the Bengals' first play from scrimmage. He reached out to grab running back Rudi Johnson, and then felt his arm pop.

"Someone hit me on the front of the arm, and then someone else hit me on the back," he said.

Lewis eventually went to the locker room, but he only missed one series. He said he doesn't think the injury will cause him to miss any games.


"I'll just keep playing," he said.

[biggsy]

Thats crazy. Ogdens gotta feel like a little girl now. He can't play with a toe injury but Ray is gonna try and go out and play with a torn tricep.

[NewMarketSean]

Thats crazy. Ogdens gotta feel like a little girl now. He can't play with a toe injury but Ray is gonna try and go out and play with a torn tricep.

I've never had either, but I've heard that turf toe is the worst football injury to have and the most difficult to recover from. Didn't you hear the announcers? They say it ends the most careers in football, including Jack Lambert's.

I think we may have to admit that Jon Ogden's career is over.

[ccbird]

As much as Ray is a warrior I find it hard to believe he is not gonna miss time and probably a significant amount of time with a torn tricep

[Hank Scorpio]

Ray knows that there is a significant dropoff at MLB after him. We can handle losing McNair and Ogden with a busted toe.

Can't handle losing Ray.

[NewMarketSean]

Just gotta wait to see what the tests come back as. Ray said he tore his triceps but how would he know? And he still managed to play the whole game and be effective. Hopefully he can play.

[biggsy]

I've never had either, but I've heard that turf toe is the worst football injury to have and the most difficult to recover from. Didn't you hear the announcers? They say it ends the most careers in football, including Jack Lambert's.

I think we may have to admit that Jon Ogden's career is over.

I was being more sarcastic then anything else. Still, a torn tricep is still alot worse then a toe injury, especially for a LB.

[NewMarketSean]

I was being more sarcastic then anything else. Still, a torn tricep is still alot worse then a toe injury, especially for a LB.

Well, Ogen and Lewis are both gamers. Lewis may have more drive than Ogden, but Lewis finished the game and Ogden was out.

So I don't think you can make that assumption.

[biggsy]

Well, Ogen and Lewis are both gamers. Lewis may have more drive than Ogden, but Lewis finished the game and Ogden was out.

So I don't think you can make that assumption.


I swear, you argue with me just to argue with me. Are you seriously trying to say a torn tricep isn't a worse injury then turf toe ? Yeah Ogden was out and Ray was playing. Doesn't mean a thing as far as the injuries other then Ray is a tough SOB. People usually come back after a couple games with turf toe, most are out indefinitely for the season with a torn tricep. In fact, Ray is the first player I have even heard of that played through the injury if that is in fact what it is.

[Sports Guy]

I swear, you argue with me just to argue with me. Are you seriously trying to say a torn tricep isn't a worse injury then turf toe ? Yeah Ogden was out and Ray was playing. Doesn't mean a thing as far as the injuries other then Ray is a tough SOB. People usually come back after a couple games with turf toe, most are out indefinitely for the season with a torn tricep. In fact, Ray is the first player I have even heard of that played through the injury if that is in fact what it is.

Ogden's toe is worse for a man his size.

That is a legit, severe injury.

But it does sound like it should be no big deal...Hell, even JO said that himself.

[NewMarketSean]

I swear, you argue with me just to argue with me. Are you seriously trying to say a torn tricep isn't a worse injury then turf toe ? Yeah Ogden was out and Ray was playing. Doesn't mean a thing as far as the injuries other then Ray is a tough SOB. People usually come back after a couple games with turf toe, most are out indefinitely for the season with a torn tricep. In fact, Ray is the first player I have even heard of that played through the injury if that is in fact what it is.

No I am not trying to argue with you for the sake of it. You are undervaluing turf toe. Some players can play through it, others can't. It depends on the level of pain the player is going through. But I think that something that affects you walking and running, planting your feet, etc... is going to be more troublesome for a football player with a torn tricep. Players play with casts on all the time which basically makes them one-armed during a game.

Both injuries are serious in the game of football. But I just don't think you can say for sure that torn triceps are worse. Lets just hope that both players can come back healthy sooner as opposed to later, OK?

[biggsy]

No I am not trying to argue with you for the sake of it. You are undervaluing turf toe. Some players can play through it, others can't. It depends on the level of pain the player is going through. But I think that something that affects you walking and running, planting your feet, etc... is going to be more troublesome for a football player with a torn tricep. Players play with casts on all the time which basically makes them one-armed during a game.

Both injuries are serious in the game of football. But I just don't think you can say for sure that torn triceps are worse. Lets just hope that both players can come back healthy sooner as opposed to later, OK?


A cast, wrap or whatever else you put on a torn muscle is not going to help it. A torn mucsle is worse then a broken bone. With a bone all you have to do is keep weight off of it and keep from moving it. With a torn mucsle you have to stay completely stationary to keep it from hurting and it takes a loooooong time for it to completely heal. Hence why almost every single person that tears a mucsle is out for the season.

Turf toe is simply just a sprain in your toe. You really think a sprain is worse then a tear ?

[NewMarketSean]

A cast, wrap or whatever else you put on a torn muscle is not going to help it. A torn mucsle is worse then a broken bone. With a bone all you have to do is keep weight off of it and keep from moving it. With a torn mucsle you have to stay completely stationary to keep it from hurting and it takes a loooooong time for it to completely heal. Hence why almost every single person that tears a mucsle is out for the season.

Turf toe is simply just a sprain in your toe. You really think a sprain is worse then a tear ?

No, but when you apply these injuries to football, it's a different thing. Case in point Ogden out with turf toe and Lewis playing with a supposed torn tricep.

[Sports Guy]

A cast, wrap or whatever else you put on a torn muscle is not going to help it. A torn mucsle is worse then a broken bone. With a bone all you have to do is keep weight off of it and keep from moving it. With a torn mucsle you have to stay completely stationary to keep it from hurting and it takes a loooooong time for it to completely heal. Hence why almost every single person that tears a mucsle is out for the season.

Turf toe is simply just a sprain in your toe. You really think a sprain is worse then a tear ?

You do know that JO tore the ligament in his toe, right?

[biggsy]

No, but when you apply these injuries to football, it's a different thing. Case in point Ogden out with turf toe and Lewis playing with a supposed torn tricep.

Well, if it is in fact a torn tricep you will never hear of another player playing through it for a full game. I can almost promise you that. And you don't think losing a whole arm kills a LB ?

[BaltimoreTerp]

Well, if it is in fact a torn tricep you will never hear of another player playing through it for a full game. I can almost promise you that. And you don't think losing a whole arm kills a LB ?

As proved last night, the linebacker still has another arm.

However, have you ever tried to walk with any kind of foot injury? Imagine having to run and jump with that. Then imagine being 350-pounds and having another guy that size pushing into you. That force has to go somewhere: through the feet.

He didn't have a chance.

[biggsy]

As proved last night, the linebacker still has another arm.

However, have you ever tried to walk with any kind of foot injury? Imagine having to run and jump with that. Then imagine being 350-pounds and having another guy that size pushing into you. That force has to go somewhere: through the feet.

He didn't have a chance.


Yes actually. I played basketball my senior year in high school with a sprained toe and jumpers knee and only 10 months removed from a major shoulder injury where I broke my arm in 3 places, broke my collarbone, dislocated my shoulder and tore my tricep, bicep and rotator cuff in a freak accident on a basketball court where my legs got taken out.

When it comes to medical luck, I have none. I've dealt with almost every kind of injury you can sustain. And trust me, I'll take a sprained toe over a torn muscle anyday.


You do know that JO tore the ligament in his toe, right?

You do know the Injury JO sustained last night had nothing to do with that injury, right ? It's a completely different injury, he said he felt it was turf toe and that he wouldn't need another surguery to fix it.


I'm not even trying to argue that foot or toe injuries aren't painful. All I did was make a sarcastic remark that JO must feel like a girl after sitting the rest of the game out with suspected turf toe while Ray was Playing with a possible torn tricep.

[Sports Guy]

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You do know the Injury JO sustained last night had nothing to do with that injury, right ? It's a completely different injury, he said he felt it was turf toe and that he wouldn't need another surguery to fix it.


I'm not even trying to argue that foot or toe injuries aren't painful. All I did was make a sarcastic remark that JO must feel like a girl after sitting the rest of the game out with suspected turf toe while Ray was Playing with a possible torn tricep.
Of course it is...He is still recovering from the injury from last Nov/Dec and then he reaggravated it in the Indy playoff game.

You keep talking about a sprain...Do you even know what a sprain is?

When you sprain something, you partially tear it..In this case, a sprain toe(or turf toe) is essentially a torn ligament in your toe.

http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/toeproblems/a/toeproblems_5.htm

[AgentOrange]

Well, if it is in fact a torn tricep you will never hear of another player playing through it for a full game. I can almost promise you that. And you don't think losing a whole arm kills a LB ?

Peter Boulware made a pro bowl with one arm in a sling the entire year.

[biggsy]

Peter Boulware made a pro bowl with one arm in a sling the entire year.

Was it a torn tricep ? didn't think so

[biggsy]

Of course it is...He is still recovering from the injury from last Nov/Dec and then he reaggravated it in the Indy playoff game.

You keep talking about a sprain...Do you even know what a sprain is?

When you sprain something, you partially tear it..In this case, a sprain toe(or turf toe) is essentially a torn ligament in your toe.

http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/toeproblems/a/toeproblems_5.htm

Yeah, and a sprain isn't always a torn ligament, it can simply be an overstretched ligament as well.

http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net/cybertherapist/front/foot/turftoe.htm

"Turf toe can occur after a very vigorous upward bending of the big toe. It got it's name due to the fact that it occurs frequently in people who play games on artificial surfaces. The shoe grips hard on the surface and sticks causing bodyweight to go forward and so bending the toe up. It is also common in martial arts. You are more at risk if you have increased range of motion in the ankle and / or wear soft flexible shoes.
When the toe is bent upwards this causes damage to the ligaments which can become stretched. In addition the surfaces of the bones at the joint can become damaged. You should really have an X-ray to check if a bone has not been broken. "

Oh look, I can google up internet pages too. Do I get a cookie ?

[66-70-83-??]

I just wanna say......

There is no debating this:

Ray Lewis = Greatest Defensive Player in the history of the NFL.

LT is a distant second.

;)

[Sports Guy]

Yeah, and a sprain isn't always a torn ligament, it can simply be an overstretched ligament as well.
http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net/cybertherapist/front/foot/turftoe.htm

"Turf toe can occur after a very vigorous upward bending of the big toe. It got it's name due to the fact that it occurs frequently in people who play games on artificial surfaces. The shoe grips hard on the surface and sticks causing bodyweight to go forward and so bending the toe up. It is also common in martial arts. You are more at risk if you have increased range of motion in the ankle and / or wear soft flexible shoes.
When the toe is bent upwards this causes damage to the ligaments which can become stretched. In addition the surfaces of the bones at the joint can become damaged. You should really have an X-ray to check if a bone has not been broken. "

Oh look, I can google up internet pages too. Do I get a cookie ?

Yes it can be buit since they have said, time and time again, that JO has a torn ligament in his toe, in this case, it is a LIGAMENT TEAR!

Now, i know in your old age and your vast years of watching football that you know everything but maybe you shoudl get your head out of the sand.

This is a serious injury that could end JO's career. It is not a "wimpy" injury or something like that.

And the fact that he has to back up and push off with his feet so much, plus his size, makes it much worse.

[AgentOrange]

Was it a torn tricep ? didn't think so

Wow you are dense. He had a separated shoulder. He played the season basically with one arm, and was good enough to be a pro bowler.

Ray can do the same.

[Tony-OH]

Ray Lewis showed unbelievable heart and courage yesterday playing with what had to be a painful injury. To play with that and still be a factor is pretty darn amazing if you ask me.

[Dipper9]

I agree with many points here. So while you guys argue, let me list some of my opinions:

1. Lewis is indeed the greatest defensive player in the history of the NFL.

2. Lewis is one bad hombre to play through whatever injury he did to his arm, torn muscle or not. You could see the pain in his face, yet he went out there and had a monster game. Kudos to you Ray Ray.

3. I am sure turf toe is a serious injury, especially for a gargantuan man like JO. However, the point that Biggsy was trying to make was that the "perception" is turf toe "sounds" like a minor injury for such a tough man. And in the grand scheme of things, I would rather have turf toe than a torn biceps.

4. Let's not forget that JO was thinking HARD about retiring after last season. Now he has this tow injury that just won't go away, he may be thinking, "That's it, I'm done!" Maybe not, but its just a hunch I have. As for Ray, he is still trying to prove he is the greatest ever, and thus he still has that drive and desire to play through any pain and be the best he can possibly be!

Okay, we now return you to round 8 of this heavyweight fight between Biggsy and SG!

[geschinger]

And in the grand scheme of things, I would rather have turf toe than a torn biceps.


I wouldn't. Torn triceps sounds and is probably much more painful, but once addressed and healed it should be fine. A bad case of turf toe is never really cured and it's likely to become arthritic and be something that bothers Ogden the rest of his life.

[biggsy]

Yes it can be buit since they have said, time and time again, that JO has a torn ligament in his toe, in this case, it is a LIGAMENT TEAR!

Now, i know in your old age and your vast years of watching football that you know everything but maybe you shoudl get your head out of the sand.

This is a serious injury that could end JO's career. It is not a "wimpy" injury or something like that.

And the fact that he has to back up and push off with his feet so much, plus his size, makes it much worse.

Except for when they said his current injury wasn't related to his old injury which was suspected to be turf toe. And it has nothing to do with watching football and everything to do with common sense. A stretched or partially torn body part is not going to be a worse injury then a completely torn body part. I don't understand why you can't understand that. I'm simply just stating my opinion here, your the one that seems to be claiming you know everything there is to know about everything.

And you act like I didn't say SARCASTIC. Meaning not being serious, meaning I know the implications of the injury you don't have to explain it to me. I was joking and asses like you take it out of context.


Wow you are dense. He had a separated shoulder. He played the season basically with one arm, and was good enough to be a pro bowler.

Ray can do the same.

I know what injury Boulware had. And it's the same injury that Eli Manning has, and he might play this coming sunday. And I never said Ray couldn't do the same or that what Boulware did wasn't awesome. I just said it wasn't a torn tricep...which ends alot of seasons for players that suffer it. Really, how dense can a person be for stating a true fact ?

[Sports Guy]

Good ol Ray:


After thinking Monday he had torn his triceps muscle, Lewis now says he only strained it. He emphatically said that he'll start Sunday.

"I don't see nothing changing with my status," said Lewis, who did not practice. "Right now, I'm giving it some real good rest. It feels great. Is the pain there? Of course, but it is what it is. There's nothing torn. That's always a blessing."

Lewis injured his arm on his first play Monday, when it got caught between two players. Essentially playing with one arm for the rest of the game, he gutted it out to make a team-best 14 tackles.

"I told my mom it's just one arm. I've got a whole other body left," Lewis said. "Once the doc gave me the OK [this week] and said I can't hurt it anymore, I said, 'I'm playing.'"

[biggsy]

Good ol Ray:

Thats great news. I think Lewis was going to try and play whether it was torn or strained anyway. Great to hear its just a strain. He'll be on the field sunday. Unfortunately I don't think Ogden will be for a while if ever again.

[Basegirl]

A cast, wrap or whatever else you put on a torn muscle is not going to help it. A torn mucsle is worse then a broken bone. With a bone all you have to do is keep weight off of it and keep from moving it. With a torn mucsle you have to stay completely stationary to keep it from hurting and it takes a loooooong time for it to completely heal. Hence why almost every single person that tears a mucsle is out for the season.

Turf toe is simply just a sprain in your toe. You really think a sprain is worse then a tear ?

I thought they said that Ogden was out with a torn ligament in his toe? Which would obviously prevent him from coming back into the game. Both injuries are severe, for certain, but it would seem that an arm injury for a LB would be slightly less devastating than a leg injury for almost anyone. As Lewis demonstrated, you can still play and be effective with the use of one arm. Without the use of a toe or foot or leg, you really can't. And not just for an O-lineman like Odgen but for anyone. If Lewis had injured his leg, he probably wouldn't be playing either. Likewise, if Ogden had an arm injury, he'd probably be in the game. I think it's all a matter of what part of the body is injured and how crucial that body part is to doing one's job.

[Sports Guy]

Thats great news. I think Lewis was going to try and play whether it was torn or strained anyway. Great to hear its just a strain. He'll be on the field sunday. Unfortunately I don't think Ogden will be for a while if ever again.

We don't need JO to start playing until November 5th.

[Hank Scorpio]

Ray Lewis is a beast.

He also knows that after him, we ain't got much at MLB.

[Sports Guy]

Ray Lewis is a beast.

He also knows that after him, we ain't got much at MLB.

Scott can play there.

[tywright]

Ray Lewis is a beast.

He also knows that after him, we ain't got much at MLB.

Scott could move there and put Barnes at OLB. Burgess could also play some MLB. He is our future stalwart LB

[Hank Scorpio]

Scott can play there.

This is true, they would move Bart to the middle and stick Haley in Bart's spot.

But Bart isn't Ray, and Haley most certainly isn't Bart.

I guess my point is that Ray knows that there is a significant dropoff without him.

[Birds of B'more]

Did anyone who watched the MD game tonight catch what Ray was saying when they were talking to him on ESPN? I was in a bar and didn't have any volume on the TV showing the game. Seems like they were chatting with him for an awful long time.

[AgentOrange]

Did anyone who watched the MD game tonight catch what Ray was saying when they were talking to him on ESPN? I was in a bar and didn't have any volume on the TV showing the game. Seems like they were chatting with him for an awful long time.

Yeah it was pretty cool. It was a very casual conversation, pretty candid. He was basically talking about his little bro and how he was a terp tonight. Talked about how upset he was about Miami getting beat at Miami and said that should happen.

I believe Demetrius Williams was there with him as well.

[geschinger]

Yeah it was pretty cool. It was a very casual conversation, pretty candid. He was basically talking about his little bro and how he was a terp tonight. Talked about how upset he was about Miami getting beat at Miami and said that should happen.

I believe Demetrius Williams was there with him as well.

He'd make a very entertaining analyst. I thought it was great how much he was into the game and excited whenever he saw something good from either side.

[Sports Guy]

He'd make a very entertaining analyst. I thought it was great how much he was into the game and excited whenever he saw something good from either side.

Ray will be a coach IMO.

His passion for the game is incredible.

Problem is, if he does become a coach, it will be hard for him to coach players that don't have the same passion he does.

[frankpembleton]

Did anyone who watched the MD game tonight catch what Ray was saying when they were talking to him on ESPN? I was in a bar and didn't have any volume on the TV showing the game. Seems like they were chatting with him for an awful long time.

Ray gave a really great interview and would be a fantastic commentator. He just knows so much about the game. To hear him break down a play on the fly and describe the defenses he would use against WVU was really interesting.

He has so much passion for the game and was really comfortable during the entire interview. It was the highlight of the game for me actually given the Terps play.