View Full Version : McNair "unlikely" to play next week..Thoughts on Buffalo next week
Sports Guy
10-14-2007, 07:10 PM
Of course, our insider Burds13 already told us this(btw, there is not an insider on this board more accurate than he is) but here is the confirmation:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/bal-boller1014,0,6378553.story
Smart move by Billick here.
McNair needs to be 100% healthy....This will give him 3 weeks off.
Next week will be a tough game IMO...going into Buffalo. They aren't that good but could cause us some problems, as we saw with Dallas this past Monday night.
I am going to assume that Heap and Terry will also be out so that they get 2 weeks off because of the bye.
We may get Flynn back as i think he was considering playing this week.
Gaither isn't ready yet and the Bills could be in for a field day because one of their DE was the lague leader in sacks last year(or at least in the top 3)....Hopefully Wilcox will be healthy, as we will need the second TE and Gaither will need help but that could be a huge issue next week.
Old#5fan
10-14-2007, 07:54 PM
Since you are asking thoughts on this I will post mine. Much like Joe Willie Namath before Superbowl III I will guarantee you that if Boller starts against the Bills he will play even worse and have a worse rating then he did against the Rams (63.8) I also predict unless the defense can score TD's Boller will lay and egg producing any offense and they will lose.
The Wedge
10-14-2007, 07:57 PM
Of course, our insider Burds13 already told us this(btw, there is not an insider on this board more accurate than he is) but here is the confirmation:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/bal-boller1014,0,6378553.story
Smart move by Billick here.
McNair needs to be 100% healthy....This will give him 3 weeks off.
Next week will be a tough game IMO...going into Buffalo. They aren't that good but could cause us some problems, as we saw with Dallas this past Monday night.
I am going to assume that Heap and Terry will also be out so that they get 2 weeks off because of the bye.
We may get Flynn back as i think he was considering playing this week.
Gaither isn't ready yet and the Bills could be in for a field day because one of their DE was the lague leader in sacks last year(or at least in the top 3)....Hopefully Wilcox will be healthy, as we will need the second TE and Gaither will need help but that could be a huge issue next week.
I don't think we see Wilcox. He was out at Unitas Stadium yesterday for a pregame ceremony, and he was limping visibly. Bruce Cunningham was in the booth with us that night, and he remarked that he was pretty bad off.
DuffMan
10-14-2007, 08:01 PM
Since you are asking thoughts on this I will post mine. Much like Joe Willie Namath before Superbowl III I will guarantee you that if Boller starts against the Bills he will play even worse and have a worse rating then he did against the Rams (63.8) I also predict unless the defense can score TD's Boller will lay and egg producing any offense and they will lose.
Jeez, get over the QB rating!
It's a worthless stat!! The only purpose it serves is it gives the clowns on the ESPN pregame show something to yack about for a few minutes.
I feel more confident going into the game with Boller at QB rather than McNair. Boller can complete all the dink and dunk passes that McNair does, plus he actually gives us the ability to throw the ball down field.
Since you are asking thoughts on this I will post mine. Much like Joe Willie Namath before Superbowl III I will guarantee you that if Boller starts against the Bills he will play even worse and have a worse rating then he did against the Rams (63.8) I also predict unless the defense can score TD's Boller will lay and egg producing any offense and they will lose.
Wow, I'm shocked that you predict this...
The Wedge
10-14-2007, 08:06 PM
Jeez, get over the QB rating!
It's a worthless stat!! The only purpose it serves is it gives the clowns on the ESPN pregame show something to yack about for a few minutes.
I'd hate to repeat myself...well, that's not true, but for the sake of appearances:
Johnny Unitas' career quarterback rating: 78.2.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...b.week3/4.html
BaltimoreTerp
10-14-2007, 08:06 PM
Buffalo is hurting in their secondary, and the defense overall isn't that great, so the offense should be alright.
Our defense going against both a rookie quarterback and running back is going to have a field day.
It won't be an "easy" game, but I think, assuming no injury surprises this week, we will be fine, and 5-2 going into the bye.
Sports Guy
10-14-2007, 08:08 PM
Buffalo is hurting in their secondary, and the defense overall isn't that great, so the offense should be alright.
Our defense going against both a rookie quarterback and running back is going to have a field day.
It won't be an "easy" game, but I think, assuming no injury surprises this week, we will be fine, and 5-2 going into the bye.
Losman should be back i think.
Old#5fan
10-14-2007, 08:15 PM
Jeez, get over the QB rating!
It's a worthless stat!! The only purpose it serves is it gives the clowns on the ESPN pregame show something to yack about for a few minutes.
I feel more confident going into the game with Boller at QB rather than McNair. Boller can complete all the dink and dunk passes that McNair does, plus he actually gives us the ability to throw the ball down field.
This seems to be a popular view that is not only totally incorrect but not supported factually or by observation. The only way this might be true is if in fact, McNair is still injured. So if you mean that because Boller is healthy and McNair is injured he gives the ability to throw the ball down field I might agree. However, otherwise I vehemently disagree, and totally have zero confidence in Boller in any road game against any team period. His career record is atrocious on the road.
ccbird
10-14-2007, 08:17 PM
If we can force our will on the game like we have the last two weeks and don't turn the ball over we are looking at a 13-10 type game that I feel confident we can win. What scares the crap out of me is Buffalo coming out and putting up a TD early on us like Clev did. If that happens, I have little confidence in Boller playing from behind on the road.
Hank Scorpio
10-14-2007, 08:17 PM
I don't think we see Wilcox. He was out at Unitas Stadium yesterday for a pregame ceremony, and he was limping visibly. Bruce Cunningham was in the booth with us that night, and he remarked that he was pretty bad off.
We won't have Wilcox and I'm not convinced we'll have Heap, either.
We are very banged up across the board.
McGahee, Clayton, Rolle, Williams and Gaither are all dinged up right now. We are in desperate need of the bye week. This offensive line is young and inexperienced and it was obvious today.
Old#5fan
10-14-2007, 08:17 PM
I'd hate to repeat myself...well, that's not true, but for the sake of appearances:
Johnny Unitas' career quarterback rating: 78.2.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...b.week3/4.html
You need to add 25-30 points to anyone's rating from that era to be comparable to the ratings of today or subtract 25-30 from today's era QBS. I thought most NFL fans knew that?:confused:
Sports Guy
10-14-2007, 08:23 PM
We won't have Wilcox and I'm not convinced we'll have Heap, either.
We are very banged up across the board.
McGahee, Clayton, Rolle, Williams and Gaither are all dinged up right now. We are in desperate need of the bye week. This offensive line is young and inexperienced and it was obvious today.
Yep....The Buffalo game is a big trap game and could be a huge problem.
We need to have a game plan of running it at least 40 times next week....I actually think that short passing game, like last week, may be a good extension of the running game next week and may be a good strategy.
The Wedge
10-14-2007, 08:24 PM
Jeez, get over the QB rating!
It's a worthless stat!! The only purpose it serves is it gives the clowns on the ESPN pregame show something to yack about for a few minutes.
I feel more confident going into the game with Boller at QB rather than McNair. Boller can complete all the dink and dunk passes that McNair does, plus he actually gives us the ability to throw the ball down field.
Heck, even better: John Elway: 79.9. Troy Aikman mustered up an 81.6. Good for him.
The Wedge
10-14-2007, 08:25 PM
Yep....The Buffalo game is a big trap game and could be a huge problem.
We need to have a game plan of running it at least 40 times next week....I actually think that short passing game, like last week, may be a good extension of the running game next week and may be a good strategy.
Hell, I've considered every game since the opener as a big trap game.
Old#5fan
10-14-2007, 08:26 PM
If we can force our will on the game like we have the last two weeks and don't turn the ball over we are looking at a 13-10 type game that I feel confident we can win. What scares the crap out of me is Buffalo coming out and putting up a TD early on us like Clev did. If that happens, I have little confidence in Boller playing from behind on the road.
Nor should anyone else period. There is no reason on God's green earth to think otherwise that I can see either.
Sports Guy
10-14-2007, 08:36 PM
If we can force our will on the game like we have the last two weeks and don't turn the ball over we are looking at a 13-10 type game that I feel confident we can win. What scares the crap out of me is Buffalo coming out and putting up a TD early on us like Clev did. If that happens, I have little confidence in Boller playing from behind on the road.
Right now, Boller has a better chance than McNair does.
McNair probably gets killed behind that line today.
Hank Scorpio
10-14-2007, 08:42 PM
Yep....The Buffalo game is a big trap game and could be a huge problem.
We need to have a game plan of running it at least 40 times next week....I actually think that short passing game, like last week, may be a good extension of the running game next week and may be a good strategy.
The good news is that we're relatively healthy (sans Pryce) defensively and Stover's leg is still attached. Having Samari Rolle back really makes a tangible difference for us... and whenever TP comes back, we should be back to our normal selves.
We should be fine next week.
The Bills won't be nearly as pumped up as they were on monday night, most likely won't get 5 picks and 3 defensive/special teams td's returned for td's. Don't be fooled by that game into thinking Buffalo is anything but awful. The Ravens should win and win rather easily. Not as easily as today, but something along the lines of 17-6.
Sports Guy
10-14-2007, 08:46 PM
The Bills won't be nearly as pumped up as they were on monday night, most likely won't get 5 picks and 3 defensive/special teams td's returned for td's. Don't be fooled by that game into thinking Buffalo is anything but awful. The Ravens should win and win rather easily. Not as easily as today, but something along the lines of 17-6.
I agree that Buffalo isn't that good and last week was a mirage...But still, when you are really banged up, likely starting 3 rookies on the line and going on the road in the NFL, it is likely to be a tough game.
I don't care if we win 2-0, i just want the win and get to that bye week.
Get healthy and then see where this team really is.
Sports Guy
10-14-2007, 08:47 PM
The good news is that we're relatively healthy (sans Pryce) defensively and Stover's leg is still attached. Having Samari Rolle back really makes a tangible difference for us... and whenever TP comes back, we should be back to our normal selves.
We should be fine next week.
Yea...I hope people are starting to see this.
Rolle is very important.
Old#5fan
10-14-2007, 08:51 PM
Yea...I hope people are starting to see this.
Rolle is very important.
This I agree with.:)
Hank Scorpio
10-14-2007, 08:51 PM
Yea...I hope people are starting to see this.
Rolle is very important.
He's still not 100%, but Corey Ivy just isn't a starting corner in this league right now. He's pretty good as a nickel guy, but against a team's #1 or #2 guy, he has trouble.
Samari got a lot of heat last year but he was seriously hobbled. He's closer to normal now and it shows. All of our sacks today were coverage sacks.
Sports Guy
10-14-2007, 08:59 PM
He's still not 100%, but Corey Ivy just isn't a starting corner in this league right now. He's pretty good as a nickel guy, but against a team's #1 or #2 guy, he has trouble.
Samari got a lot of heat last year but he was seriously hobbled. He's closer to normal now and it shows. All of our sacks today were coverage sacks.
And he was bad in the first half..In the second half of the season, he was very solid.
The Wedge
10-14-2007, 09:01 PM
And he was bad in the first half..In the second half of the season, he was very solid.
Gee, fans around here can't get past a few games...no pattern here whatsoever, eh?
Hallas
10-14-2007, 10:00 PM
He's still not 100%, but Corey Ivy just isn't a starting corner in this league right now. He's pretty good as a nickel guy, but against a team's #1 or #2 guy, he has trouble.
Samari got a lot of heat last year but he was seriously hobbled. He's closer to normal now and it shows. All of our sacks today were coverage sacks.
That play where Rolle almost got a pick, they showed a replay where Rolle faked a blitz and sprinted back to a short zone. I was absolutely stunned at how fast Rolle covered the distance between him and the receiver.
To anyone who says he's lost a step... Show me the proof.
ccbird
10-14-2007, 10:08 PM
That play where Rolle almost got a pick, they showed a replay where Rolle faked a blitz and sprinted back to a short zone. I was absolutely stunned at how fast Rolle covered the distance between him and the receiver.
To anyone who says he's lost a step... Show me the proof.
Rolle just lost confidence in himself last year after giving up some big plays early. He started playing further off guys and giving up a lot of mid sized catches as a result. The guy still has the tools and if he is playing with confidence he is still a very solid corner.
Old#5fan
10-14-2007, 10:40 PM
Rolle just lost confidence in himself last year after giving up some big plays early. He started playing further off guys and giving up a lot of mid sized catches as a result. The guy still has the tools and if he is playing with confidence he is still a very solid corner.
Totally agree.
Hank Scorpio
10-15-2007, 01:37 PM
Rolle just lost confidence in himself last year after giving up some big plays early. He started playing further off guys and giving up a lot of mid sized catches as a result. The guy still has the tools and if he is playing with confidence he is still a very solid corner.
I don't disagree with this, necessarily... but Samari was hurt for 3/4 of the season last year. He played deeper to account for the foot problem he's had for the past 10 months or so, and still it's lingering, but much better. He is much closer to his normal self now than he has been for awhile.
The Wedge
10-15-2007, 01:41 PM
I don't disagree with this, necessarily... but Samari was hurt for 3/4 of the season last year. He played deeper to account for the foot problem he's had for the past 10 months or so, and still it's lingering, but much better. He is much closer to his normal self now than he has been for awhile.
AND he looks eager and hungry to prove to everybody that he isn't done. He took a lot of heat and bad press last season.
Hank Scorpio
10-15-2007, 02:21 PM
AND he looks eager and hungry to prove to everybody that he isn't done. He took a lot of heat and bad press last season.
Yep. He's playing with a little bit of a chip, no doubt.
longflyball
10-17-2007, 03:14 AM
I agree that Buffalo isn't that good and last week was a mirage...But still, when you are really banged up, likely starting 3 rookies on the line and going on the road in the NFL, it is likely to be a tough game.
You're not kidding. Baltimore is only a 3 point favorite at Buffalo.
tywright
10-17-2007, 12:35 PM
Lee Evans is going to have a field day on Sunday
MikeAD
10-17-2007, 12:46 PM
Lee Evans is going to have a field day on Sunday
Not if our defense pass rushes effectively. Lossmans going to get sacked at least times.
Not if our defense pass rushes effectively. Lossmans going to get sacked at least times.
Oct. 17
News:
Losman has lost his starting quarterback job, as Trent Edwards will start for the Bills on Sunday, writes the Buffalo News.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/features/briefingroom?playerId=5547
MikeAD
10-17-2007, 12:57 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/features/briefingroom?playerId=5547
Even better.....7 sacks :D
tywright
10-17-2007, 12:59 PM
Not if our defense pass rushes effectively. Lossmans going to get sacked at least times.
What pass rush? You mean 75% of our pass rush? Rolle is going to get torched by Evans and Trent Edwards.
MikeAD
10-17-2007, 01:02 PM
What pass rush? You mean 75% of our pass rush? Rolle is going to get torched by Evans and Trent Edwards.
I mean Bart Scot, Johnson, Suggs, Ngata, Gregg....if we put pressure on their QB and have the pass rush that we should be having with this defense, we will win.
tywright
10-17-2007, 01:08 PM
I mean Bart Scot, Johnson, Suggs, Ngata, Gregg....if we put pressure on their QB and have the pass rush that we should be having with this defense, we will win.
Trevor Pryce accounts for 25% of our pass rush, directly and indirectly. Our secondary is so good because of the talent and our pass rush. We're going to be missing a huge chunk of that this weekend.
What pass rush? You mean 75% of our pass rush? Rolle is going to get torched by Evans and Trent Edwards.
I really don't think Trent Edwards is going to "torch" anyone right now. I feel confident that Rex Ryan will come up with something to keep a bad team out of the endzone, even if we are down one of the best CBs in the game.
MikeAD
10-17-2007, 01:12 PM
Trevor Pryce accounts for 25% of our pass rush, directly and indirectly. Our secondary is so good because of the talent and our pass rush. We're going to be missing a huge chunk of that this weekend.
We've been missing it all year. Its only a little different becasue instead of not having Pryce and Rolle, we don't have Pryce and CMac. We've been playing wounded all year.