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frankpembleton
10-18-2007, 01:39 PM
I stumbled upon this blog by Drew Forrester on the WNST website and thought he raised some interesting points. What do you all think about the relationship between Baltimore and Terp football?



In a Maryland football blog in today's edition of The Sun, Heather Dinich chronicles the frustrations of Terps coach Ralph Friedgen, who is evidently not pleased with a rash of non-sellout crowds this season at Byrd Stadium. The most recent home game against Georgia Tech two weekends ago saw 47,500 file into the 51,500 seat facility, a figure that rankled Friedgen enough for him to say, "I don't understand it...I figured after we beat a top 10 team (Rutgers), people would be excited and would want to see us play."

First off, Ralph needs to understand that 47,000 (or 48k, 49k, etc.) is not a number to sneeze at when evaluating the crowds at College Park. Sure, it's not the 100,000 that watch Tennessee or Michigan play in their respective venues, but, obviously, Maryland is to Michigan football what the Orioles are to the Yankees. In other words, they play the same sport, but the comparisons pretty much stop there in terms of tradition, heritage and overall value of the school/team.

Maryland's basketball program is well followed by Baltimore sports fans, if phone calls, e-mails, etc. into my show and the others on WNST Radio are any barometer of the market's overall interest in Gary Williams' program. The same can't be said for Ralph's team. Maryland football hardly generates any phone calls or e-mails on my show, but I'll be the first to admit that most Monday feedback from listeners is all about the Ravens - and the Ravens - and the Ravens. Maryland gets pushed aside quite a bit during football season because their schedule often times collides with Baltimore's pro football team.

But people GOING to the games and talking about it on talk radio two days later shouldn't have much to do with one another. Maryland has, for reasons maybe only they know and wish to keep secret, gently distanced itself from the Baltimore market over the last several years. The Terps did play a game against Navy back in 2005 at M&T Bank Stadium and by all accounts, the contest was an overwhelming success in the stands (65k) and on the field (Maryland won in in the final minute). It was exactly the kind of environment Maryland should be cultivating in Baltimore at least once a year. Given that the largest chapter of the Terrapin Club is stationed right here in Charm City, wouldn't it make sense to schedule one home game per-year "up here"? I'm sure the higher-ups at Maryland have a half-dozen legitimate political reasons to not bring a Terps game to Baltimore every fall. Fair enough. Plenty of fans here in Baltimore have reasons not to go to Terps football games at College Park too. There needs to be a discernable "quid pro quo" for at least a 5-year period and only Maryland athletics can initiate that effort. Having a game here and giving Baltimore a chance to celebrate our state school's football program is a critical step.

When I talked about Terps football today on the air, I received a number of phone calls and, at last count, about 25 e-mails from either current or former Maryland pigskin season ticket holders. Oddly enough, a great number of those with complaints voiced similar issues - not knowing most of the game times until the week before the home game (not the school's fault - blame that on the ACC/NCAA TV deals)...lack of preferred parking at Byrd unless you arrive 3-4 hours before kick-off...and an overall drop-off in play in the ACC that has made the meat of the home schedule somewhat unappealing, depending on the unbalanced schedule and who happens to be the hot or cold team in the league that year. By the way, I agree that ACC football is just not that compelling these days. It's certainly not even close to as dramatic and interesting as ACC basketball, needless to say.

Maryland's marketing and advertising efforts in Baltimore seem to be casual, at best. Their flagship station essentially serves as nothing more than a check collector and a method for fans to listen to away games. Rarely, if ever, does the Baltimore flagship ever promote the team in a manner consistent with, say, the Ravens or Orioles. While occasional game-ticket advertising appears in The Sun, the ads themselves are fairly drab, not terribly informative and do little to move the reader to get excited about the upcoming game. The Terps furnish an assistant coach every Wednesday during the season for a 10-15 minute interview with WNST during football season and that gives Terp football junkies an "inside look" at what's going on at College Park. Last season, I handled those duties during The Comcast Morning Show. This year, the Terps football report is on The Bob Haynie Show, who forgot more about Terps football last Sunday while eating breakfast than you and I combined will ever know. But a year ago, Ralph Friedgen was scheduled to appear with me as part of the regular weekly Terps coaches report on two separate occasions - both times, Ralph failed to fulfill his obligation and didn't call the show. So, for someone interested in wanting to know "where all the people are", Ralph needs to take a look at his own ability to self-market the team here in Baltimore. Recruiting, marketing, winning, advertising, full stadiums, playing games in Baltimore - it all goes hand in hand. Ralph might be surprised at how receptive Baltimore would be on a variety of levels if he'd show the same interest in us.

The University of Maryland has always been regarded as the state school by mandate, rather than by emotion, here in Baltimore. There's a strong feeling of support for the basketball program - and a general apathy towards football these days. It doesn't have to be that way. As I wrote earlier, a portion of that apathy could be simply the time of year -- we have plenty to focus on here in Baltimore from September until January. But once the Ravens are finished, we have nothing but Terps basketball to follow until the Orioles go 5-11 in April. Still, Ralph's probably feeling the same things I'm feeling. That people in Baltimore aren't willing to go nuts over Terps football.

If they reached out to us up here, maybe more people would reach out to them, down there.

In the meantime, though, continuing to win and establishing a tradition of excellence is a good way to keep people interested and attract new fans. If the Terps can master that philosophy, market well in Baltimore, and get people in this city interested in them, perhaps they can bottle that recipe and sell it to the Orioles.

NewMarketSean
10-18-2007, 02:00 PM
Maryland football hasn't been consistent enough to get sell-outs, no matter where the people are coming from. MD basketball has had final four appearances and national championships within the last 5 years. Plus, a lot of the stars from those winning teams were from Baltimore schools. Joe Smith, Ketih Booth, Juan Dixon... so there is naturally going to be a better relationship between Baltimore and MD basketball.

If MD football had the track record that MD basketball had, there would be no question about the attendence figures at Byrd stadium.

BaltimoreTerp
10-18-2007, 02:02 PM
I hate it when Drew Forrester is right...

BaltimoreTerp
10-18-2007, 02:12 PM
Maryland football hasn't been consistent enough to get sell-outs, no matter where the people are coming from. MD basketball has had final four appearances and national championships within the last 5 years. Plus, a lot of the stars from those winning teams were from Baltimore schools. Joe Smith, Ketih Booth, Juan Dixon... so there is naturally going to be a better relationship between Baltimore and MD basketball.

If MD football had the track record that MD basketball had, there would be no question about the attendence figures at Byrd stadium.

Joe Smith was from Norfolk, and the other two are essentially the ONLY real players, let alone stars, that went to Maryland from Baltimore in the past 15 years. In fact, thanks to this dope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Wade_%28basketball_coach%29), Maryland probably would have had much more success in Baltimore.

frankpembleton
10-18-2007, 02:19 PM
The Georgia Tech game was a bit of a disappointment in terms of attendance, but overall I think Maryland does pretty well given the close proximity of two very popular NFL teams. I hope one day they have the fanbase to support a huge stadium expansion, but I think Terp football's likely capacity ceiling is around 65k even if they make a few BCS bowl appearances.

I think Drew is right, though, in that Terp football just does not market itself well in the Baltimore area. Something needs to be done about the TV situation as well - if you live in Maryland you should be able to watch your state school's football team. I'm not sure where the blame lies there, however.

BustaJ2632
10-18-2007, 02:48 PM
Forrester is right about Baltimore having other things to do during football season, but I think something else plays a part. Maybe I just didn't notice it in the past, but I feel like like gametimes are getting announced a lot closer to the actual day of the game than they were in the past. Six-day options are being used as much as they can. I feel like my freshman and sophomore years, we knew what time almost every game was going to be before the season started. It's hard making plans to drive 45 minutes down to the traffic gridlock of College Park for a game if you don't know whether it's going to be at noon or 8 p.m.

bernie132000
10-18-2007, 03:08 PM
When I was in Baltimore, I never identified with Maryland football. They never really appealed to me. I think the marketing department has done a horrible job of identifing Maryland football as representing the whole state of Maryland. They need to market toward Baltimore because they need those people. Maybe they market toward D.C since they are closer to that city than Baltimore. I get teased(teased is an awful word but it is the best I could come up with) because people assume I am a fan of Maryland football because I am from Maryland. I occasionally watched the games, but if there was a bigger game on then I watched that. Maryland needs to have commercials in Baltimore, saying "Maryland football is Baltimore's college football team, come out and support it." Or something identifying Maryland football with Baltimore. Not many people I knew were Maryland fans unless their parents went there.

NewMarketSean
10-18-2007, 03:28 PM
I don't know if this has changed, but my dad, who is a bigger MD football fan than I am, never knew when and where he could watch games on TV. He'd look in the paper, look through the TV guide, but he could hardly ever find any listings, especially for early non-ACC opponent games.

Like others have said, people in MD should be able to watch every Maryland game on TV, and know when and where those games will be shown.

EddieO's21
10-18-2007, 05:43 PM
This is just obvious...Maryland football will never be as popular as basketball. While the terps have played well over the past 7 years, the team fades in comparison to a basketball program that already has its national championship

Birds of B'more
10-18-2007, 06:50 PM
Forrester is 100% correct. I see no good reason why the Terps couldn't play 1 game each season at M&T. Given how difficult and costly it can be to get Ravens tickets, being able to go to a Maryland game in the convenience of downtown Baltimore would be the next best thing for football fans in the area. As long as the game is against a worthy opponent (don't be foisting your Villanova or Florida International scrimmages on Baltimore :mad: ) I see no reason why they couldn't consistently draw 60,000+. And this is coming from someone who had MD season tickets for 6 years and made the Baltimore to College Park drive. And yes, more marketing in the Baltimore area would definitely help too. Having attended many games in recent years I can definitely say the marketing and advertising inside Byrd Stadium is heavily skewed towards the DC suburbs. Maybe the program and athletic department have made efforts to make inroads with the Baltimore area in recent years, but I haven't seen it.

Birds of B'more
10-18-2007, 06:57 PM
I don't know if this has changed, but my dad, who is a bigger MD football fan than I am, never knew when and where he could watch games on TV. He'd look in the paper, look through the TV guide, but he could hardly ever find any listings, especially for early non-ACC opponent games.
Like others have said, people in MD should be able to watch every Maryland game on TV, and know when and where those games will be shown.

That's because many of those games aren't televised at all.......a sad thing for a football program that wants to count itself among the Big Boys. Unless I'm mistaken, if a home game is not selected to be televised by one of the ACC's TV partners, then UM can basically go out on its own and try to get the game on TV. If that's true, then why they couldn't work a deal with Comcast SportsNet or MASN for some of these games is beyond me.

bernie132000
10-18-2007, 08:43 PM
That's because many of those games aren't televised at all.......a sad thing for a football program that wants to count itself among the Big Boys. Unless I'm mistaken, if a home game is not selected to be televised by one of the ACC's TV partners, then UM can basically go out on its own and try to get the game on TV. If that's true, then why they couldn't work a deal with Comcast SportsNet or MASN for some of these games is beyond me.

Practically every game by an ACC team is televised. However it may be on a major network. We(WF) have been on ESPNU and ESPN360 this year, and every ACC team is guarenteed 1 or 2 games on that weird channel.

geschinger
10-18-2007, 09:11 PM
Practically every game by an ACC team is televised. However it may be on a major network. We(WF) have been on ESPNU and ESPN360 this year, and every ACC team is guarenteed 1 or 2 games on that weird channel.

I can't speak for Maryland but down here in SoFla I know there has been a lot more frustration w/the TV availability of Miami games since coming to the ACC.

Why Not?
10-18-2007, 09:47 PM
Practically every game by an ACC team is televised. However it may be on a major network. We(WF) have been on ESPNU and ESPN360 this year, and every ACC team is guarenteed 1 or 2 games on that weird channel.

Only 2 of the Terps' first 5 games have been on real TV. Villanova and Fla. Int. were on ESPN360 (not available via Comcast), Wake was on ESPNU, which most people don't get.

Really I think it comes down to the DC/Balmer area not really being a big college football area. It's similar in Philly, NY and Boston. The urban areas of the Northeast just aren't as crazy about the sport as most other parts of the country.

Birds of B'more
10-18-2007, 11:50 PM
The good news is they're on ESPN2 this week, so I'll even get to see them here out west........and in hi-def to boot! :D

Pedro Cerrano
10-19-2007, 12:48 AM
Maybe unrelated, but it was about 90 degrees that day...could have been a reason why a select few people didn't show.

Tony-OH
10-21-2007, 09:10 AM
That was an outstanding piece by Drew., I agree completely with pretty much everything he has to say there. The only other thing I would mention as another cause of a lack of sellouts is the inaccessibility of Byrd Stadium. I went to a game about five years ago and the traffic jam getting into and out of the stadium was crazy. They definitely need to build some type of quick access to I-95.

Todd-O
10-21-2007, 09:53 AM
I would have to disagree with you about access to the stadium... if you take the routes they suggest on the beltway signage (... such as exit 28 or route 1... ),then, yes, you are going to sit. But there are plenty of other ways to gain access to either the Metro station parking, or directly through the main entrance to the campus. It would require you to look at a map - but I've been going to games for almost 25 years and have a great easy-in / easy-out route that is really - really - quick and simple.

Todd-O
10-21-2007, 10:15 AM
Forrester is 100% correct. I see no good reason why the Terps couldn't play 1 game each season at M&T. Given how difficult and costly it can be to get Ravens tickets, being able to go to a Maryland game in the convenience of downtown Baltimore would be the next best thing for football fans in the area. As long as the game is against a worthy opponent (don't be foisting your Villanova or Florida International scrimmages on Baltimore :mad: ) I see no reason why they couldn't consistently draw 60,000+. And this is coming from someone who had MD season tickets for 6 years and made the Baltimore to College Park drive. And yes, more marketing in the Baltimore area would definitely help too. Having attended many games in recent years I can definitely say the marketing and advertising inside Byrd Stadium is heavily skewed towards the DC suburbs. Maybe the program and athletic department have made efforts to make inroads with the Baltimore area in recent years, but I haven't seen it.

Maryland used to play in Baltimore once a year in the 80's... and they began playing - once a year - at M&T stadium. In the 80's they would face off with a team like Miami at Memorial. And they carried those kind of Marqee games over to M&T when it first opened... but it all stopped for 2 very simple reasons. First off, Maryland began SUCKING... bad. The last game at M&T prior to the Navy game came during the "Black Thunder" days and it was against G Tech. I was at that game. Maryland was so bad I think they moved the ball across mid-field once. It was horrific. Which brings me to my second point: NO ONE WAS THERE.

Now I could be wrong about this... but I believe that the University had to pay to lease the stadium... and no one was showing up. So, they cut that right out of their plans. It was a money pit.

I agree with you that Maryland "could" probably re-introduce a yearly game there... that Navy game a few years back was a great success and fun to go to. But I seriously doubt that it would be worth their time from a $ standpoint - unless they are looking at a sell-out. The fact is, the Terps program is once again stuck in a rut. Any momentum the program had gained during Ralph's first 3 years is gone. That was erased by back-to-back no-bowl-game seasons and some really pitiful QB situations. Last year was nice... not great... but nice. And this year is beginning to look like it could potentially be another '04 or '05.

I hear your frustration that there isn't a game there... but until Byrd is consistently selling out then a B-More game just won't happen.

I personally echo Ralph's disappointment that the stadium wasn't sold out for the Tech game. Here's a situation where Maryland was coming off a HUGE victory on the road. They had previously barely lost to a very good Wake team... and could have been 4-1. So, they were 3-2 and playing last year's ACC Champion. Getting to 4-2 (in the Atlantic Coast Conference... at least) and grabbing a win against an ACC opponent was going to be (and turned out to be) a very important step for the team.

Yet, the stadium didn't fill out. Even the student section was totally full.

I was disappointed.

The fact is, that Maryland will need to sustain success for a really decent stretch of years before folks start to invest real emotion in their success. I'm not in that camp... but I think a lot of people are.

Right now, we are better off than the Krevack (sp?) and Vanderlindin days... but we haven't quite gotten to a point where people are willing to invest their Saturday in football.

WhoRU
10-21-2007, 11:23 AM
I hate to say it because I am a huge Terps fan but if you are not a diehard terps fan than they are an extremely boring team to watch. They dont blitz, last night I dont think they threw the ball once over 20 yards and they just run plain running plays now. No option, no more motion plays, no sacks and no turnovers. Casual fans think that is boring. I honestly think they would draw just as much if they went 7-5 every year and went back to the old style of play. Hopefully Portis will bring alot of this back next year.