Trivia Game

[longflyball]

Let's try a baseball/sports trivia game. If you're confident you know the right answer, post it and ask your own question. If you're making an educated guess, wait until someone else confirms that it's right before you ask your own question. If someone makes an educated guess and he's right, let him ask a question before jumping the gun and asking one yourself. There are plenty of people who watch this board for hours and hours at a time, so hopefully we can keep it going smoothly. No using baseballreference.com or wikipedia or books or asking a friend, of course. And try not to make the question so difficult or obscure that no one will be able to answer it.

Who was the last American League pitcher to throw ten complete games in one season, and when did he do it?

[TonySoprano]

Scotty Erickson, 1998.

In a 162 game season, name the last Oriole to lead the league in home runs, and the year.

[longflyball]

Is there anybody out there?

In a futile attempt to keep this game alive, I'll guess.

Frank Robinson, 1966.

[longflyball]

Is there anybody out there?

In a futile attempt to keep this game alive, I'll guess.

Frank Robinson, 1966.

Woo-hoo! I knew it was almost certainly Frank's Triple Crown year, but I didn't know exactly when it was.

New question coming up.

[longflyball]

Name the last starting pitcher to win an MVP.

[66-70-83-??]

Dennis Eckersley was the last pitcher to win MVP award.

Name the last switchhitter to win the AL MVP award ?

[longflyball]

Dennis Eckersley was the last pitcher to win MVP award.

Name the last switchhitter to win the AL MVP award ?

Name the last starting pitcher to win the MVP.

[66-70-83-??]

Name the last starting pitcher to win the MVP.

:eek: :eek:

Oops- Roger Clemens....

Name the last switch-hitter to win the AL MVP ?


:o

[longflyball]

Here's a guess: Mantle.

[66-70-83-??]

Here's a guess: Mantle.

No.............

[ledzepp8]

:eek: :eek:

Oops- Roger Clemens....

Name the last switch-hitter to win the AL MVP ?


:o

Vida Blue.....................

[longflyball]

No using baseballreference.com or wikipedia or books or asking a friend, of course. And try not to make the question so difficult or obscure that no one will be able to answer it. And no trick questions.


Good one. :p

[ledzepp8]

Good one. :p

Yeah, I'll admit I cheated on that one.;)

[longflyball]

Since the game's inception, more MLB players have been born in California than in any other state. What state is second to California?

[66-70-83-??]

Since the game's inception, more MLB players have been born in California than in any other state. What state is second to California?

Just a guess- Pennsylvania ?

[longflyball]

Just a guess- Pennsylvania ?

Great guess. You're right. New York is third, Illinois is fourth and Ohio is fifth. Texas and Florida weren't so big back in the day.

Ask a question.

[66-70-83-??]

Name the three pitchers in the Hall Of Fame who have career losing records ?

[longflyball]

Name the three pitchers in the Hall Of Fame who have career losing records ?

Point of Clarification: Are these position players who mopped up some games or are they really pitchers? :D

[66-70-83-??]

Point of Clarification: Are these position players who mopped up some games or are they really pitchers? :D

Really pitchers.

This isn't a trick question. :D

[BaltimoreTerp]

Lee Smith and Bruce Sutter are two (almost obvious, since they went in for their work as relievers and their saves)

Maybe Dennis Eckersley?

[66-70-83-??]

Lee Smith and Bruce Sutter are two (almost obvious, since they went in for their work as relievers and their saves)

Maybe Dennis Eckersley?

One out of three ain't bad. :p

Lee Smith isn't even a HOFer.

[longflyball]

I'm going to interpret my own anti-cheating rule as allowing me to look at the list of HOF pitchers. No stats. Just the list. Otherwise this may never be answered.

[longflyball]

What about Rollie Fingers and Robin Roberts?

[66-70-83-??]

What about Rollie Fingers and Robin Roberts?

That is two down (Sutter, Fingers) with one to go..... ;)

If you give up I will let you know who the 3rd is.

[Tank]

Hoyt Wilhelm?

[BaltimoreTerp]

Hugh "Losing Pitcher" Mulcahy? (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mulcahu01.shtml) :D

I actually looked it up because I couldn't stand the suspense :p

Only hint I'll give is that is would probably be the last person I would have guessed, based on his ENTIRE career.

[66-70-83-??]

Hugh "Losing Pitcher" Mulcahy? (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mulcahu01.shtml) :D

I actually looked it up because I couldn't stand the suspense :p

Only hint I'll give is that is would probably be the last person I would have guessed, based on his ENTIRE career.

That is why it is a good "trivia" question.

The only three pitchers enshrined at the HOF in Cooperstown with career losing W/L records are:

1) Rollie Fingers
2) Bruce Sutter
and
...drumroll...................


3) Satchel Paige.

Next Question:

It is much easier.

Only once did an Oriole pitcher lead the American League in strikeouts. Name the pitcher. Even better- also give the year of the feat.

[BaltimoreTerp]

That is why it is a good "trivia" question.

The only three pitchers enshrined at the HOF in Cooperstown with career losing W/L records are:

1) Rollie Fingers
2) Bruce Sutter
and
...drumroll...................


3) Satchel Paige.

Next Question:

It is much easier.

Only once did an Oriole pitcher lead the American League in strikeouts. Name the pitcher. Even better- also give the year of the feat.

Mike Cuellar in 1969?

Just a complete stab in the dark.

[66-70-83-??]

Mike Cuellar in 1969?

Just a complete stab in the dark.

In 1954: Bob Turley led the AL with 185 K's.

How ironic. All those great pitchers and 20 game winners and it is Bob Turley in 1954 (Orioles lost 100 games in 1954) was the only O's hurler to lead the league in strikeouts.

Next Question:

Until this past season, this rare feat was accomplished only twice in MLB history- by Willie Mays in 1957 and Frank Schulte in 1911.

In 2007, name the two players who scored at least 20 runs, had 20 hits, 20 doubles, 20 triples, 20 home runs, 20 RBIs, 20 stolen bases, and 20 walks?

[longflyball]

In 1954: Bob Turley led the AL with 185 K's.

How ironic. All those great pitchers and 20 game winners and it is Bob Turley in 1954 (Orioles lost 100 games in 1954) was the only O's hurler to lead the league in strikeouts.

Next Question:

Until this past season, this rare feat was accomplished only twice in MLB history- by Willie Mays in 1957 and Frank Schulte in 1911.

In 2007, name the two players who scored at least 20 runs, had 20 hits, 20 doubles, 20 triples, 20 home runs, 20 RBIs, 20 stolen bases, and 20 walks?

Curtis Granderson and Jimmy Rollins.

Who was the last Oriole to lead the league in on-base percentage?

[NJOriolesFan]

In 1954: Bob Turley led the AL with 185 K's.

How ironic. All those great pitchers and 20 game winners and it is Bob Turley in 1954 (Orioles lost 100 games in 1954) was the only O's hurler to lead the league in strikeouts.

Next Question:

Until this past season, this rare feat was accomplished only twice in MLB history- by Willie Mays in 1957 and Frank Schulte in 1911.

In 2007, name the two players who scored at least 20 runs, had 20 hits, 20 doubles, 20 triples, 20 home runs, 20 RBIs, 20 stolen bases, and 20 walks?


Granderson and Rollins

[NJOriolesFan]

Name the first player to hit a home run in each of his first two World Series at bats.

[NJOriolesFan]

Melvin Mora

Who was the first player to hit a home run in each of his first two World Series at bats.

[Flip217]

Melvin Mora

Who was the first player to hit a home run in each of his first two World Series at bats.

I'm guessing here, but I feel like I heard this recently...

Lou Gehrig?

[NJOriolesFan]

Nope. Much later

[Flip217]

Nope. Much later

Jeez, the temptation to Google this is overwhelming.

Is it Reggie?

[NJOriolesFan]

Jeez, the temptation to Google this is overwhelming.

Is it Reggie?


No, but around the same time as Reggie would have played in his first World Series games.

[Flip217]

I give up! Someone else has to field this one, I'm afraid....

[NJOriolesFan]

Hint: Think racquet sport

[BaltimoreTerp]

Hint: Think racquet sport

Gene Tenace (I KNOW I spelled that wrong, but I think I'm right). Nice hint :p

[NJOriolesFan]

Gene Tenace (I KNOW I spelled that wrong, but I think I'm right). Nice hint :p

Yeah, it seemed like my question was a thread killer. Gene Tenace is correct.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Yeah, it seemed like my question was a thread killer. Gene Tenace is correct.

And in the surprise of the day, I spelled it right :p

There are fourteen pitchers that have won multiple Cy Young Awards. Not counting active pitchers, two are not in the Hall of Fame. Who are they?

[66-70-83-??]

And in the surprise of the day, I spelled it right :p

There are fourteen pitchers that have won multiple Cy Young Awards. Not counting active pitchers, two are not in the Hall of Fame. Who are they?

Denny McLain is one for sure (he tied w/ Cuellar one year)
and
...........I have three pitchers in mind that I am thinking might be correct but I don't know which one to guess....so I will go with

Dwight Gooden ?

[Pedro Cerrano]

And in the surprise of the day, I spelled it right :p

There are fourteen pitchers that have won multiple Cy Young Awards. Not counting active pitchers, two are not in the Hall of Fame. Who are they?

One is Saberhagen. Second one, you got me.

[longflyball]

And in the surprise of the day, I spelled it right :p

There are fourteen pitchers that have won multiple Cy Young Awards. Not counting active pitchers, two are not in the Hall of Fame. Who are they?

Bert Blyleven and Vida Blue?

[Pedro Cerrano]

Bert Blyleven and Vida Blue?

Ahh good guesses, but I know at least one is wrong because I'm positive about Saberhagen.

[longflyball]

Ahh good guesses, but I know at least one is wrong because I'm positive about Saberhagen.

I looked. It's Saberhagen and McClain. Ask a question. 66-70-83-?? has already asked several.

[Pedro Cerrano]

I looked. It's Saberhagen and McClain. Ask a question. 66-70-83-?? has already asked several.

Ok, name the last 5 sets of teammates to win both the MVP and the Cy Young award (same person winning both counts).

Also, if memory serves, there have been 4 all-California World Series. Name the year, the two teams, which team won and in how many games and the WS MVP of each.

How's that?! Hehe

[PaulFolk]

I will contribute exactly one answer to each.


Ok, name the last 5 sets of teammates to win both the MVP and the Cy Young award (same person winning both counts).
Morneau and Santana were MVP/Cy Young in 2006.


Also, if memory serves, there have been 4 all-California World Series. Name the year, the two teams, which team won and in how many games and the WS MVP of each.
2002, Angels over Giants in 7 games. Not quite sure who the MVP was. Spiezio? Adam Kennedy?

[square634]

Didn't Pedro Martinez win the Cy Young and MVP one year for the Sox?

[longflyball]

Didn't Pedro Martinez win the Cy Young and MVP one year for the Sox?

No. He should have, but he didn't.

Vida Blue and Roger Clemens are two. I believe Dennis Eckersley is another.

[Pedro Cerrano]

I will contribute exactly one answer to each.


Morneau and Santana were MVP/Cy Young in 2006.


2002, Angels over Giants in 7 games. Not quite sure who the MVP was. Spiezio? Adam Kennedy?

Correct on the Twins. Everything is right about 2002 except the MVP.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Ok...so anyone else want to guess, or do I have to go a-cheatin'...?

[Pedro Cerrano]

Nobody got the 2002 WS MVP. Stewart was the '89 MVP but '88 is not Gibson.

[beaner]

Nobody got the 2002 WS MVP. Stewart was the '89 MVP but '88 is not Gibson.

Was it Troy Glaus?

[Pedro Cerrano]

Yup! So it's we got all the Cali WS teams, we got Glaus and Stewart as MVPs. Still missing two MVPs from the other two years and a bunch of teammates that won both the Cy and the MVP.

[beaner]

Yup! So it's we got all the Cali WS teams, we got Glaus and Stewart as MVPs. Still missing two MVPs from the other two years and a bunch of teammates that won both the Cy and the MVP.

Cy and MVP:
Gibson and Hershiser-1988

Was Orel the WS MVP too?

[Pedro Cerrano]

Well the most recent one was Santana and Morneau -- none of the ones you said were correct but you're sorta on the right track...remember, the same player winning both awards counts...

[beaner]

Well the most recent one was Santana and Morneau -- none of the ones you said were correct but you're sorta on the right track...remember, the same player winning both awards counts...

Eckersley?

[BaltimoreTerp]

I looked up the two MVPs earlier, but I'll post them to get this moving a little.

1988 - Orel Hershiser (who would have been my second guess anyway)
1974 - The Italian Stallion himself, Rollie Fingers!

[BaltimoreTerp]

2001 - Luis Gonzalez was the MVP, Randy Johnson was Cy Young.


EDIT: I'm wrong. I'm looking it up now, since I'm stumped.

[longflyball]

Well the most recent one was Santana and Morneau -- none of the ones you said were correct but you're sorta on the right track...remember, the same player winning both awards counts...

I mentioned them earlier, and I don't know if they're among the 5 most recent, but Clemens and Vida Blue both did it.

[beaner]

Cy and MVP:
Gibson and Hershiser-1988

Was Orel the WS MVP too?

So these were right? I know Gibson was the MVP that year....

[Pedro Cerrano]

I looked up the two MVPs earlier, but I'll post them to get this moving a little.

1988 - Orel Hershiser (who would have been my second guess anyway)
1974 - The Italian Stallion himself, Rollie Fingers!

Correct sir.

[beaner]

Correct sir.

Gibson/Hershiser has to be right...

[Pedro Cerrano]

2001 - Luis Gonzalez was the MVP, Randy Johnson was Cy Young.


EDIT: I'm wrong. I'm looking it up now, since I'm stumped.

I can give hints if you guys want

before you result to looking it up...

[Pedro Cerrano]

Gibson/Hershiser has to be right...

Yes htey both won it in 88, but not one of the most recent 5.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Too late :p

(HINT: It happened four years in a row, then not for a decade. And Eckersley was one of the four)

[beaner]

Yes htey both won it in 88, but not one of the most recent 5.

How about Zito and Tejada-Don't remember the year though. 2001 maybe?

[Pedro Cerrano]

Too late :p

(HINT: It happened four years in a row, then not for a decade. And Eckersley was one of the four)

Yes, although technically Bonds and Drabek are NOT one of the five (another hint):p

[Pedro Cerrano]

How about Zito and Tejada-Don't remember the year though.

Correct! You got the two most recent:

'06: Santana and Morneau
'02: Zito and Tejada
?
?
?
'90: Drabek and Bonds

[longflyball]

Welch and Canseco?

Maddux and Pendleton?

Maddux and Sandberg?

[beaner]

Correct! You got the two most recent:

'06: Santana and Morneau
'02: Zito and Tejada
?
?
?
'90: Drabek and Bonds

I'm guessing- Maddux and Chipper?
Maddux and Pendleton?
Glavine and Pendleton?
Smoltz and Chipper?

[BaltimoreTerp]

Yes, although technically Bonds and Drabek are NOT one of the five (another hint):p

Actually, that year both leagues had this happen, with those two in the NL and Henderson/Welch in the AL.

Part of me is surprised that this has happened, but the other part realized that it should happen MORE often based on how often the MVP and Cy Young are the best player/pitcher on the best team.

[Pedro Cerrano]

I'm guessing- Maddux and Chipper?
Maddux and Pendleton?
Glavine and Pendleton?
Smoltz and Chipper?

One of those is right...ahh screw it I'll tell ya that it's Pendleton and Glavine in '91.

Two more to get.

One of them BTerp already told you and the last one is pretty tough.

[BaltimoreTerp]

One of those is right...ahh screw it I'll tell ya that it's Pendleton and Glavine in '91.

Two more to get.

One of them BTerp already told you and the last one is pretty tough.

...but it makes perfect sense, when you see who it is :p

[beaner]

One of those is right...ahh screw it I'll tell ya that it's Pendleton and Glavine in '91.

Two more to get.

One of them BTerp already told you and the last one is pretty tough.

That was lame, i'll admit...but it had to be a Braves combo..

Eck in 1992...So, who was '93..

[Pedro Cerrano]

That was lame, i'll admit...but it had to be a Braves combo..

Eck in 1992...So, who was '93..

I think the pitcher that won the Cy in '93 was a fan of casino games..

/lame hint

[beaner]

I think the pitcher that won the Cy in '93 was a fan of casino games..

/lame hint

Frank Thomas/Jack McDowell....Lame hint, but a giveaway nonetheless. Great question. I was thinking Thomas, but wouldn't have said McDowell...I was thinking about the White Sox...I almost said Bonds/John Burkett.

[Pedro Cerrano]

You nailed it man -- whew, I think I have used up my question asking quota for the next few weeks...

[BaltimoreTerp]

So, since about ten different people answered...who asks the next question? :p

[beaner]

So, since about ten different people answered...who asks the next question? :p

Go Ahead BTerp, it's all you.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Ok.

Since 1901, by my count, four major league franchises have each played in three separate cities. Three of the franchises should be easy, but the fourth is probably difficult.

Name all four, and the eleven cities involved (one city overlaps).

As a bonus, name the two cities that have each hosted three separate major-league franchises since 1900.

[Pedro Cerrano]

Ok.

Since 1901, by my count, four major league franchises have each played in three separate cities. Three of the franchises should be easy, but the fourth is probably difficult.

Name all four, and the eleven cities involved (one city overlaps).

As a bonus, name the two cities that have each hosted three separate major-league franchises since 1900.

Braves: Atlanta, Milwaukee, Boston
A's: Philly, KC and Oakland

New York City hosted three different franchises.
Washington, DC too.

I suppose I'm 1/2 way there..

[BaltimoreTerp]

Braves: Atlanta, Milwaukee, Boston
A's: Philly, KC and Oakland

New York City hosted three different franchises.
Washington, DC too.

I suppose I'm 1/2 way there..

Shoot, I forgot about the Nationals (like everyone should Muahahaha!).

Three cities have hosted three franchises each.

You got two of them, and two of the other four.

[Pedro Cerrano]

D'oh! How could I forget about the O's! I forgot to even consider them.

Orioles: Milwaukee, St. Louis, Baltimore

So I'm missing one franchise that has played in 3 different cities and one city that has hosted 3 teams at one time.

I think I'm stumped...

[BaltimoreTerp]

D'oh! How could I forget about the O's! I forgot to even consider them.

Orioles: Milwaukee, St. Louis, Baltimore

So I'm missing one franchise that has played in 3 different cities and one city that has hosted 3 teams at one time.

I think I'm stumped...

One hint on one of them: the the other city to host three teams has been mentioned (and it isn't "at one time").

[longflyball]

Kansas City?

No, Milwaukee. Orioles, Braves, Brewers.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Kansas City?

No, Milwaukee. Orioles, Braves, Brewers.

There we go.

Still need one more answer.

[Pedro Cerrano]

How about Los Angeles? Dodgers, California Angels, Anaheim Angels, Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim in Orange County, United States?:D

[BaltimoreTerp]

How about Los Angeles? Dodgers, California Angels, Anaheim Angels, Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim in Orange County, United States?:D

I said three, not four...;)

[BaltimoreTerp]

Ok, just need one more franchise to play in three separate cities.

Note, I didn't say three separate metropolitan areas, etc.

[Pedro Cerrano]

Ok, just need one more franchise to play in three separate cities.

Note, I didn't say three separate metropolitan areas, etc.

Ahhh!

The Skankees -- Highlanders (I think it was in Rockland County), then Baltimore and finally the Bronx.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Ahhh!

The Skankees -- Highlanders (I think it was in Rockland County), then Baltimore and finally the Bronx.

Nope. Baltimore and New York. Manhattan and the Bronx don't count as separate cities (though I'm sure some residents would disagree).

[Pedro Cerrano]

Ok, just need one more franchise to play in three separate cities.

Note, I didn't say three separate metropolitan areas, etc.

Only other one I can think of is the Expos/Nats played in Montreal, DC and San Juan, Puerto Rico.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Only other one I can think of is the Expos/Nats played in Montreal, DC and San Juan, Puerto Rico.

Dude, quit thinking of the ones I didn't think of! :p

I'm tempted to give it to you, though, even though that wasn't who I was going for, either.

[NJOriolesFan]

Braves
A's
Orioles

Twins - D.C., Bloomington, Minneapolis

[BaltimoreTerp]

Braves
A's
Orioles

Twins - D.C., Bloomington, Minneapolis

*Round of applause*

You're up.

[Pedro Cerrano]

*Round of applause*

You're up.

Wait, what was the other city to host three different franchises?

[NJOriolesFan]

Twins. Even though I said the answer I don't agree with it.

Bloomington is closer to Minneapolis than Foxboro is to Boston and I would say that the Patriots have only been located in one city.

Prior to 1985 (even later perhaps) there were only 9 players who won back-to-back MVP's. There was one at each position (actually three outfielders, no distinction to left - center - right) and one pitcher. Without looking it up, who were the nine players.

[Pedro Cerrano]

No not the franchise that played in 3 different cities, but the city that has hosted three different franchises.

[BaltimoreTerp]

No not the franchise that played in 3 different cities, but the city that has hosted three different franchises.

New York
Washington
Milwaukee

And the five to play in three different cities are:

Athletics (Philadelphia, Kansas City, Oakland)
Orioles (Milwaukee, St. Louis, Baltimore)
Braves (Boston, Milwaukee, Atlanta)
Nationals (Montreal, San Juan, Washington) (Thanks again for thinking of that)
Minnesota (Washington, Bloomington [MN], Minneapolis)

The Athletics will soon be the first to play in FOUR cities, once they move to Fremont or wherever the new stadium will be.

[longflyball]

Twins. Even though I said the answer I don't agree with it.

Bloomington is closer to Minneapolis than Foxboro is to Boston and I would say that the Patriots have only been located in one city.

Prior to 1985 (even later perhaps) there were only 9 players who won back-to-back MVP's. There was one at each position (actually three outfielders, no distinction to left - center - right) and one pitcher. Without looking it up, who were the nine players.

I'm going to guess Bench, Morgan, Banks and Mantle. I'm already throwing darts, so I'll leave it at four.

[RShack]

I'm going to guess Bench, Morgan, Banks and Mantle. I'm already throwing darts, so I'll leave it at four.
Dale Murphy for sure.
Did Yogi do it? (Not sure if it was back-to-back or 2-of-3.)
Maris did it.
I think Foxx did it.

Are we just talking pre-85? If so, is that just because we hate Barry?

[RShack]

Minnesota (Washington, Bloomington [MN], Minneapolis)
This seems awfully lame to me. Is this for real? (Am I not being in the proper spirit or something?)

ps: May I assume that you were not counting the Federal League? No question that it was ML, it just didn't last...

[BaltimoreTerp]

Dale Murphy

Joe DiMaggio

[RShack]

Joe DiMaggio
I don't think so. I don't think Bench either.

I was editing my previous post... added Maris, Yogi, Foxx...

I also asked if we were doing pre-85 just because we hate Barry ;-)

[BaltimoreTerp]

This seems awfully lame to me. Is this for real? (Am I not being in the proper spirit or something?)

ps: May I assume that you were not counting the Federal League? No question that it was ML, it just didn't last...

What do you mean by "real"? It is a separate city. Unlike the NFL, which has several teams that play well outside their "home" city (like the Jets and Giants, Patriots, Redskins, etc.), this is really the only example of it happening in MLB, other then the "Los Angeles" Angels, which spent a good while as the Anaheim Angels anyway.

It's a little lame, I'll admit, but it's a legitimate question.

[RShack]

What do you mean by "real"? It is a separate city. Unlike the NFL, which has several teams that play well outside their "home" city (like the Jets and Giants, Patriots, Redskins, etc.), this is really the only example of it happening in MLB, other then the "Los Angeles" Angels, which spent a good while as the Anaheim Angels anyway.

It's a little lame, I'll admit, but it's a legitimate question.
Just checking ;-)

[RShack]

I think when The Murph did it, it was a back-to-back back-to-back... the guy right before him did it too... um... who?

[longflyball]

I looked after I posted my guesses, so I'll keep a tally.

Berra, Foxx, Morgan, Banks, Mantle, Maris, and Murphy did it.

So we still need a pitcher and a third baseman. The pitcher is tough.

[RShack]

I looked after I posted my guesses, so I'll keep a tally.

Berra, Foxx, Morgan, Banks, Mantle, Maris, and Murphy did it.

So we still need a pitcher and a third baseman. The pitcher is tough.
Schmidt, right before Murphy... you gave a clue ;-)

I think the P was some WWII guy, but I have no idea who he was.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Schmidt, right before Murphy... you gave a clue ;-)

I think the P was some WWII guy, but I have no idea who he was.

Man, I was going to say Schmidt, but for some reason I wasn't thinking about the late-70s and couldn't figure out where he would go.

The pitcher...I'll guess Dizzy Dean.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Man, I just looked it up...NOBODY is going to get the pitcher! :p

Although he is a Hall-of-Famer.

[longflyball]

Hmm. Let's give it till 6:00. After that RShack is up to ask a question.

:emits a loud groan after visualizing RShack ask a trivia question:

[RShack]

Man, I just looked it up...NOBODY is going to get the pitcher! :p

Although he is a Hall-of-Famer.
Me too. Once I saw it, I recognized it. But there was no way in hell I could've recalled it.

[longflyball]

OK. The only pitcher to win consecutive MVP's is Hal Newhouser, who did it with the Tigers in 1944 and 1945.

You want to ask a question, RShack?

[RShack]

OK. The only pitcher to win consecutive MVP's is Hal Newhouser, who did it with the Tigers in 1944 and 1945.
Back whenever it was that I first saw that, I just assumed that he was cashing in because most of the good guys were off to war... but evidently not...



You want to ask a question, RShack?
Sure... lemme think about it for a little bit...

[RShack]

I’m drawing a blank on anything new. Maybe it’s just a football day.

But I remembered some things about uniforms that I noticed before. I think I asked these more than a year ago somewhere, and gave answers. If you remember that, and if you came up with the answers then, that’s fine. But if you didn't know the answer and just remember the answers I gave, maybe just give others a chance? (It’s probably academic, because I don’t think there’s much danger of anybody remembering anything I might have said ;-)

Anyway, here’s 4 of them…

Uniform trivia:

1. What basic tradition of baseball uniforms has never been true of MFY uniforms?
2. What basic tradition of baseball uniforms has never been true of the uniforms of any big league Philly team?
3. What did the Oakland A’s do with their uniforms for a while that no other team ever did? (It’s not about the colors.)
4. Prior to the 1990’s, what was true of every NL-team uniform, but was always true of only about half (more or less, it kept changing) of AL-team uniforms?

I don’t know what the informal rules are here. Am I being a jerk by asking 4 different questions? If so, I’m happy to cut it down some.

[RShack]

Also, it's fine with me for people to google around and see, I don't think that's cheating. I don't think anybody keeps 100 years of uniforms in their heads. Also, while the answers do apply over the last 100 years, you can confine yourself to thinking about uniforms just since the O's came back to town and you'll still get the same answers.

EDIT: I accidentally lied about the "only since the O's came back" part. For one of these questions, you may or may not have to look before WWII. You don't have to, but you might get confused if you don't.

When I wondered about these things myself, I went to this place (http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/database.htm#database) to see if I was right about them. It's a db that shows you drawings of each team's uniforms over the years.

[Lucky Jim]

Also, it's fine with me for people to google around and see, I don't think that's cheating. I don't think anybody keeps 100 years of uniforms in their heads. Also, while the answers do apply over the last 100 years, you can confine yourself to thinking about uniforms just since the O's came back to town and you'll still get the same answers.

When I wondered about these things myself, I went to this place (http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/database.htm#database) to see if I was right about them. It's a db that shows you drawings of each team's uniforms over the years.

Well, the Yankees have no names.

[RShack]

Well, the Yankees have no names.
That's true. Not what I was thinking, but you are right. Neither have the Red Sox or Giants at home, but they have on the road. So, the MFY's are the only one to never have put player names on their uniforms.

I guess I wasn't thinking about player names as a "basic tradition", because it's kinda new. But it's not brand new, so how long does a tradition take? (This is an example of how it's hard to write good questions ;-)

So, lets say that you are correct, and that there is also another correct answer to this question.

[Pedro Cerrano]

Every NL team had the initials to their city on their cap -- many AL teams did not.

Not sure about the other three questions. Maybe the NY on the Yankees home uniform is unique in that all the other teams at one point or another spelled out their team name?

[RShack]

Every NL team had the initials to their city on their cap -- many AL teams did not.

Not sure about the other three questions. Maybe the NY on the Yankees home uniform is unique in that all the other teams at one point or another spelled out their team name?
Bingo. And bingo again.

ps: The Tigers' had a jersey that said "Tigers" for only one measly year (1928), and even then it was on the road jersey, not a home one. Go figure.
pps: That was before anybody used numbers. They had a tiger's head on the back where you'd expect the numbers to be.

[RShack]

OK, to review, we've got answers for #1 and #4.

It's #2 and #3 we're hunting...



1. What basic tradition of baseball uniforms has never been true of MFY uniforms?
2. What basic tradition of baseball uniforms has never been true of the uniforms of any big league Philly team?
3. What did the Oakland A’s do with their uniforms for a while that no other team ever did? (It’s not about the colors.)
4. Prior to the 1990’s, what was true of every NL-team uniform, but was always true of only about half (more or less, it kept changing) of AL-team uniforms?

[PaulFolk]

OK, to review, we've got answers for #1 and #4.

It's #2 and #3 we're hunting...
For #3...did the A's wear shorts at one point?

[RShack]

For #3...did the A's wear shorts at one point?
Not that I know of. Somebody did. CWS maybe? Or was it PIT? But I don't know of OAK ever doing it...

[RShack]

I must confess that I'm not sure what to do. Should we just wait and see? Or should I figure that we've hit the wall, and that I therefore should spill the beans and let somebody else have a turn? Are there unofficial rules about this?

[BaltimoreTerp]

I must confess that I'm not sure what to do. Should we just wait and see? Or should I figure that we've hit the wall, and that I therefore should spill the beans and let somebody else have a turn? Are there unofficial rules about this?

Spill it, Uni Boy! :D

[longflyball]

Eh, it's been two days. Spill it.

[RShack]

Okay... the unanswered ones were...

2. What basic tradition of baseball uniforms has never been true of the uniforms of any big league Philly team? ANSWER: Neither the Phillies nor the A's ever had "Philadelphia" spelled out on their road jerseys. Long word. (Although I think some other Philadelphia team did. But I don't remember who. Maybe a team in one of the Negro Leagues? Not sure. )

3. What did the Oakland A’s do with their uniforms for a while that no other team ever did? (It’s not about the colors.) ANSWER: For a couple years, they had "OAKLAND" spelled out on their home jerseys exactly like their road jerseys. (The reverse of what the O's and several other teams have done.)

There were 2 questions that were answered. But they had 3 answers between them. Lucky Jim got one, and TejadaTheyFall got two. So, TejadaTheyFall is AB...

[Pedro Cerrano]

Ok I will post a question later. Gotta think of one.

[RShack]

Ok I will post a question later. Gotta think of one.
Not so easy, is it? ;-)

Not as simple as "see the ball, hit the ball". Nope, you actually gotta come up with something...

[Pedro Cerrano]

Ok. What team has had the most consecutive ROY award winners?

Name the team, the years, the players in order.

[longflyball]

Ok. What team has had the most consecutive ROY award winners?

Name the team, the years, the players in order.

I believe it was Oakland around 1990 with three, but I would be throwing darts when it comes to naming them in order. I think they were Walt Weiss, McGwire and Canseco.

[longflyball]

I believe it was Oakland around 1990 with three, but I would be throwing darts when it comes to naming them in order. I think they were Walt Weiss, McGwire and Canseco.

I'm wrong. Not even close.

[RShack]

I believe it was Oakland around 1990 with three, but I would be throwing darts when it comes to naming them in order. I think they were Walt Weiss, McGwire and Canseco.
I was wondering about that. I knew the other two, but I couldn't think of Weiss.

However, I think that might be just the AL one. I think there might be some Dodger runs that were as big or bigger. They had a bunch of good rooks, back when they were the first ones bringing up black guys, but I don't know how consecutive they were. I think they had a couple other runs someplace along the line. Dunno exactly who or when. I think Sutcliffe and Fernando were in one of them, and Piazza and Nomo were in another one. But I have no idea about how many in a row, or who the other guys were, or the exact years, or anything like that.

Good question though. It's got me beat.

[Pedro Cerrano]

If nobody gets it by tomorrow evening (provided I haven't passed out from eating) I will provide a hint.

[RShack]

If nobody gets it by tomorrow evening (provided I haven't passed out from eating) I will provide a hint.
Good plan. I'm not looking it up yet, on the off chance it comes to me in my sleep, but I ain't optimistic. I'm not sure I ever knew the answer, really...

[BaltimoreTerp]

It's the Los Angeles Dodgers, for sure.

The early 90s, I believe:

1992 - Eric Karros
1993 - Mike Piazza
1994 - Raul Mondasi
1995 - Hideo Nomo
1996 - (I accidentally found it when I tried to double-check Nomo, and I wouldn't have got the name otherwise. However, I knew they had the 1996 winner already.)

Plus, they won another four-five in a row in the early 80s, between Steves Howe and Sax, Fernando Valenzuela and one or two others.

[CrimsonTribe]

It's the Los Angeles Dodgers, for sure.

The early 90s, I believe:

1992 - Eric Karros
1993 - Mike Piazza
1994 - Raul Mondasi
1995 - Hideo Nomo
1996 - (I accidentally found it when I tried to double-check Nomo, and I wouldn't have got the name otherwise. However, I knew they had the 1996 winner already.)

Plus, they won another four-five in a row in the early 80s, between Steves Howe and Sax, Fernando Valenzuela and one or two others.

Funny, that was the one I actually knew. I knew the Dodgers, Karros, and the last one, but I didn't know years or the middle ones.

[Pedro Cerrano]

The last one is the toughest to get for sure.

[PaulFolk]

Todd Hollandsworth.

[RShack]

Todd Hollandsworth.
Damn. I'm impressed you remembered him. Spelled it right too. I never would've gotten it in a million years.

Your game-wraps are usually both longer and funnier than this one. Too much pasta?

[BaltimoreTerp]

So...me or Paul?

[PaulFolk]

So...me or Paul?
You got four of the five. The next question is all yours.

[BaltimoreTerp]

You got four of the five. The next question is all yours.

Dammit...:p

[BaltimoreTerp]

Ok, multiple part question:

1) Who has the most Gold Gloves at each position, in each league, and how many?

Two things within that question. There are ties involved, so both players are needed. There are three of those.

Also, I want just the numbers a player won in one league: if they won more in another league, those don't count.

2) Who is the only player to win Gold Gloves at multiple positions?

Good luck :p

[Pedro Cerrano]

Ok, multiple part question:

1) Who has the most Gold Gloves at each position, in each league, and how many?

Two things within that question. There are ties involved, so both players are needed. There are three of those.

Also, I want just the numbers a player won in one league: if they won more in another league, those don't count.

2) Who is the only player to win Gold Gloves at multiple positions?

Good luck :p

Wow...LOADED question:

Pitcher; Jim Kaat and Greg Maddux no idea how many
3B; Brooks Robinson and ?

Uhh that's all I got right now

[BaltimoreTerp]

Wow...LOADED question:

Pitcher; Jim Kaat and Greg Maddux no idea how many
3B; Brooks Robinson and ?

Uhh that's all I got right now

That's three of the 14 leaders.

Also, I forgot to mention that, just like the award voting, outfield counts as one position for this purpose.

[Pedro Cerrano]

Those first three I was sure of, I will guess Keith Hernandez at 1B for the NL and Ozzie Smith at SS for the NL.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Those first three I was sure of, I will guess Keith Hernandez at 1B for the NL and Ozzie Smith at SS for the NL.

Four and five.

[Pedro Cerrano]

I actually have a decent amount of guesses for ecah but I'll let others take a crack at it -- no idea who won for multiple positions.

Oh, and if AL SS isn't Derek Jeter it should be!!!!:p

[longflyball]

I'll guess Clemente for outfield and Ivan Rodriguez for catcher.

[RShack]

Mike Schmidt for NL 3B, well short of Brooks (but, then again, he hit better, so...)

Bench for NL C.

It used to be Aparicio for AL SS (Belanger fell one short of him) but I don't know if anybody passed him. Ozzie's got more.

About 2B, I think it's our ole pal Roberto for the AL (best 2B I ever saw, that's for sure). Dunno about the NL.

I think OF is either Mays or Clemente for the NL, not sure. For AL, I think Kaline had a bunch, but I have no idea how many or how he compares to others... there was a time that he loomed large, but that was a while ago...

[BaltimoreTerp]

So we have:

AL and NL

Kaat and Maddox
Rodriguez and Bench
______ and Hernandez
Alomar and _______
Aparicio/______ and Smith
Robinson and Schmidt
Kaline/______ and Mays/Clemente

That's twelve of fourteen spots (and thirteen of seventeen total players, including ties).

[Pedro Cerrano]

Is the AL 1B Don Mattingly?

[BaltimoreTerp]

Is the AL 1B Don Mattingly?

Thirteen...

[longflyball]

Bump. And bump again.

[RShack]

Bump. And bump again.
I really have no clue. Maybe Sandburg for NL 2B? (I'm grasping here...)

[BaltimoreTerp]

I really have no clue. Maybe Sandburg for NL 2B? (I'm grasping here...)

Nice job.

Missing an AL shortstop and AL centerfielder.

Hint: both are active, though neither plays in the AL right now.

[Pedro Cerrano]

Omar Vizquel and Ken Griffey.

Nice hint.

[longflyball]

RShack, you're up. Keep it simple.

[Pedro Cerrano]

We never figured out who the multiple position winner was (I have zero clue) and we didn't say how many GG each player won (ok, nobody will get that).

Go for it RShack.

[RShack]

Me? Are you sure?

Jeez, I was mainly guessing...

Right now, I got nothing... Lemme think about it...

[longflyball]

Me? Are you sure?

Jeez, I was mainly guessing...

Right now, I got nothing... Lemme think about it...

Surf around on baseballreference.com. Something will pop out to you.

[BaltimoreTerp]

The multiple-position winner, by the way, is the most famous punter in the history of Nebraska himself, Mr. Darren Erstad!

[Pedro Cerrano]

The multiple-position winner, by the way, is the most famous punter in the history of Nebraska himself, Mr. Darren Erstad!

Ahhh, didn't know he won a GG for 1B.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Ahhh, didn't know he won a GG for 1B.

Well, that's why you didn't answer the question :D ;)

[RShack]

Surf around on baseballreference.com. Something will pop out to you.
Good idea, it worked.

This is like Jeopardy: you get the answer and have to come up with the question.
For each one, the correct answer is the group as shown below.
(Hint: it's got nothing to do with winning or losing.)

Answer 1, What's the question?
Baltimore Orioles
Milwaukee Brewers
Washington Senators

Answer 2, What's the question?
Boston Red Sox
Chicago Cubs
Cincinnati Reds
Cleveland Indians
Houston Astros
Philadelphia Phillies
Pittsburgh Pirates
St. Louis Cardinals

Answer 3, What's the question?
Arizona Diamondbacks
Chicago White Sox
Colorado Rockies
Detroit Tigers
Florida Marlins
Kansas City Royals
New York Mets
San Diego Padres
Toronto Blue Jays

Answer 4, What's the question?
Baltimore Orioles
Los Angeles Angels
San Diego Padres

Answer 5. What's the question?
Atlanta Braves
Oakland Athletics

[BaltimoreTerp]

Answer 1, What's the question?
Baltimore Orioles
Milwaukee Brewers
Washington Senators
What are the three original American League teams that moved elsewhere, then were resurrected by new teams moving to those cities?

Answer 5. What's the question?
Atlanta Braves
Oakland Athletics

What are the two teams that played in three different cities under the same "name"?

[RShack]

What are the three original American League teams that moved elsewhere, then were resurrected by new teams moving to those cities?


What are the two teams that played in three different cities under the same "name"?
That didn't take long... Yep (although the 2nd Senators didn't move there, they were an expansion team, but that's splitting hairs.)

So, that's #1 and #5... #2, #3, and #4 still to go...

[BaltimoreTerp]

That didn't take long... Yep...

No clue on the others, though :p

[NJOriolesFan]

Good idea, it worked.

This is like Jeopardy: you get the answer and have to come up with the question.
For each one, the correct answer is the group as shown below.
(Hint: it's got nothing to do with winning or losing.)

Answer 1, What's the question?
Baltimore Orioles
Milwaukee Brewers
Washington Senators

Answer 2, What's the question?
Boston Red Sox
Chicago Cubs
Cincinnati Reds
Cleveland Indians
Houston Astros
Philadelphia Phillies
Pittsburgh Pirates
St. Louis Cardinals

Answer 3, What's the question?
Arizona Diamondbacks
Chicago White Sox
Colorado Rockies
Detroit Tigers
Florida Marlins
Kansas City Royals
New York Mets
San Diego Padres
Toronto Blue Jays

Answer 4, What's the question?
Baltimore Orioles
Los Angeles Angels
San Diego Padres

Answer 5. What's the question?
Atlanta Braves
Oakland Athletics


Question #4, "Who are three teams that have never been in my kitchen" --- courtesy of Cliff Clavin

[RShack]

Question #4, "Who are three teams that have never been in my kitchen" --- courtesy of Cliff Clavin
"Steee-rike ONE!"... no, make that "TWO!" (smart a$$ ;-)

[BaltimoreTerp]

OK, I'm just going to take a couple wild guesses with these, since no one else seems to want to...


Answer 2, What's the question?
Boston Red Sox
Chicago Cubs
Cincinnati Reds
Cleveland Indians
Houston Astros
Philadelphia Phillies
Pittsburgh Pirates
St. Louis Cardinals

What are the teams with the longest stretches between world championships?


Answer 3, What's the question?
Arizona Diamondbacks
Chicago White Sox
Colorado Rockies
Detroit Tigers
Florida Marlins
Kansas City Royals
New York Mets
San Diego Padres
Toronto Blue Jays

I cannot see any connection between those teams. Any hint?


Answer 4, What's the question?
Baltimore Orioles
Los Angeles Angels
San Diego Padres

What are the three teams to use the exact names of minor-league franchises in their cities?

[BaltimoreTerp]

Answer 2, What's the question?
Boston Red Sox
Chicago Cubs
Cincinnati Reds
Cleveland Indians
Houston Astros
Philadelphia Phillies
Pittsburgh Pirates
St. Louis Cardinals

What are the teams with the longest stretches between world championships?

Or...What are the seven teams to be known by different "official" names?

[RShack]

What are the three teams to use the exact names of minor-league franchises in their cities?
Yep... you're on a roll... (a sorta slow roll, but a roll nonetheless ;-)

[RShack]

Or...What are the seven teams to be known by different "official" names?
"This forum requires that you wait 30 seconds between posts. Please try again in 1 seconds."
Dammit... OK, one-Mississippi... there...

Yep again... (pretty-much yep, anyway... not exactly, but I can't say anything more because of the other one)

[RShack]

Answer 3, What's the question?
Arizona Diamondbacks
Chicago White Sox
Colorado Rockies
Detroit Tigers
Florida Marlins
Kansas City Royals
New York Mets
San Diego Padres
Toronto Blue Jays
I cannot see any connection between those teams. Any hint?
Um, given what you recently figured out, I'm not sure you really need one...

But, this whole thing has dragged on for a while, so if people say "uncle", I'll tell you...



What are the three teams to use the exact names of minor-league franchises in their cities?[/QUOTE]

[BaltimoreTerp]

What are the only franchises to still have their original name from their founding?

[RShack]

What are the only franchises to still have their original name from their founding?
Close enough. The only teams that never changed either where they're from or the team's name.

The Athletics never changed names, but they changed cities. The Angels were never not the Angels, but it first was LA, then CA, then Anaheim, then the really weird thing...

(The other question was teams that have stayed put but changed their names.)

Anyway, you got 'em all... so no doubt about who's next. You're "it".

[BaltimoreTerp]

Well then...I'm smarter then I thought I was :p

Ok, give me a little while.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Ok...

Of the top five managers in winning percentage, three are in the Hall of Fame: Joe McCarthy, Charlie Comiskey, Frank Selee. Of the two who aren't, one, Jim Mutrie, managed in the nineteenth century.

Who is the fifth manager, which team(s) did he manage, and how many pennants and championships did he win?

[Pedro Cerrano]

I'll guess Joe Torre, but that seems to obvious. Plus didn't his Braves and Cards teams sorta stink? Nevermind, I retract that guess.

[BaltimoreTerp]

I'll guess Joe Torre, but that seems to obvious. Plus didn't his Braves and Cards teams sorta stink? Nevermind, I retract that guess.

Yeah...good move :D

Torre's 31 on the list (and yes, I had to look it up :p)

[Pedro Cerrano]

I cheated and looked it up as well. Wow, dunno if anyone is going to get this one.

[RShack]

Ok...

Of the top five managers in winning percentage, three are in the Hall of Fame: Joe McCarthy, Charlie Comiskey, Frank Selee. Of the two who aren't, one, Jim Mutrie, managed in the nineteenth century.

Who is the fifth manager, which team(s) did he manage, and how many pennants and championships did he win?
I have no clue. Are you talking about forever (since the 1880's or whenever) or just since the ML's sorta got settled after 1900?

[RShack]

I have no clue. Are you talking about forever (since the 1880's or whenever) or just since the ML's sorta got settled after 1900?
Also, is there any minimum number of games or wins or whatever? If somebody filled in for a couple weeks and went 10-2, does that count?

[BaltimoreTerp]

I'm using the Baseball Reference list, which I believe is at least 1000 games managed.

The list appears to include all official major leagues from (I assume) 1876.

[RShack]

I'm using the Baseball Reference list, which I believe is at least 1000 games managed.

The list appears to include all official major leagues from (I assume) 1876.
OK, just curious. I still have no clue ;-)

[longflyball]

Is he still active?

[BaltimoreTerp]

That would be a negative.

Anyone want to guess?

[longflyball]

Sparky Anderson.

[square634]

Ok...

Of the top five managers in winning percentage, three are in the Hall of Fame: Joe McCarthy, Charlie Comiskey, Frank Selee. Of the two who aren't, one, Jim Mutrie, managed in the nineteenth century.

Who is the fifth manager, which team(s) did he manage, and how many pennants and championships did he win?

I looked it up. Did you expect anyone to guess this without cheating!?! :confused:

[BaltimoreTerp]

Ok, a hint.

If you paid attention to the local Baltimore sports print media this week, you would have seen his name mentioned specifically (and in a wow-I-never-heard-of-this-guy sense).

[BaltimoreTerp]

Man, I guess I stumped everybody, huh?

Billy Southworth, .597 career winning percentage. Managed the Cardinals and Braves, primarally in the '40s. Won three pennants with the Cardinals from 1942-44, and World Series in '42 and '44, and won the pennant with the Braves in 1948.

I'll give another one, unless someone else wants to go, then this can be retracted:

For those who don't know, ERA+ is a pitcher's ERA compared to the league average, adjusted for league and park factors (and maybe some other things). The pitcher with the highest career number then at least has an argument towards being the best pitcher ever.

Who has the highest career ERA+ in MLB history?

[longflyball]

Pedro Martinez?

[BaltimoreTerp]

Pedro Martinez?

You're up!

[longflyball]

Who was the last pitcher to throw 10 shutouts in a season?

[Flip217]

Who was the last pitcher to throw 10 shutouts in a season?

Nolan Ryan?

[RShack]

Who was the last pitcher to throw 10 shutouts in a season?
I think Palmer did it during that year in the mid-70's when his ERA was barely-2 and most of his starts were CG's. But I have no idea if he's the last one. If he's not, I bet there's not more than 1 or 2 guys since then...

[longflyball]

Palmer was the second last to do it. Ryan never did it.

[longflyball]

OK. He did it in the 80's in the National League and did NOT win the CY. Outside of one great year, he had a relatively short and unremarkable career.

Let's give it till noon Monday.

[BaltimoreTerp]

OK. He did it in the 80's in the National League and did NOT win the CY. Outside of one great year, he had a relatively short and unremarkable career.

Let's give it till noon Monday.

With that hint, I had two guesses. The one I was going to guess, I went to BR to double-check the spelling, and found it wasn't him. Then I looked up my second guess, which was right.

It makes sense when you see who it is, but this is a really tough question.

[Pedro Cerrano]

Well, I can partially answer this.

If a guy has 10 friggin' shut-outs and didn't win the Cy, he must have lost to Gooden that year he was unconscious. Who that person was, though, I haven't the foggiest, particularly because the rest of his career was unremarkable.

[NJOriolesFan]

Well, I can partially answer this.

If a guy has 10 friggin' shut-outs and didn't win the Cy, he must have lost to Gooden that year he was unconscious. Who that person was, though, I haven't the foggiest, particularly because the rest of his career was unremarkable.

John Tudor. I thought I knew it right away. Then with the clues I definately thought I was right and then I confirmed it.

Question coming up.

[NJOriolesFan]

Name the last player to lead the Major Leagues in Batting Average but not lead either league?

[Pedro Cerrano]

Man, I guess I stumped everybody, huh?

Billy Southworth, .597 career winning percentage. Managed the Cardinals and Braves, primarally in the '40s. Won three pennants with the Cardinals from 1942-44, and World Series in '42 and '44, and won the pennant with the Braves in 1948.

I'll give another one, unless someone else wants to go, then this can be retracted:

For those who don't know, ERA+ is a pitcher's ERA compared to the league average, adjusted for league and park factors (and maybe some other things). The pitcher with the highest career number then at least has an argument towards being the best pitcher ever.

Who has the highest career ERA+ in MLB history?

Your question is no longer valid!

Southworth was elected in by the Vet's Committee today.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Name the last player to lead the Major Leagues in Batting Average but not lead either league?

Hmm, a toughie.

I'm assuming you mean they had enough total at-bats to qualify, but something happened where they were traded midseason (like when McGwire had 58 home runs, but was traded from Oakland to St. Louis and couldn't lead either league).

[RShack]

Name the last player to lead the Major Leagues in Batting Average but not lead either league?
Was it Eddie? He was with the Dodgers and finished with the highest BA... but didn't win the NL batting crown because some other guy got traded to the AL, and his season average went down, but his NL-only average still won him the NL crown. Just another case of Eddie getting short-changed on awards. This one had to be the ultimate in getting short-changed. Dunno if he was the last one though...

[NJOriolesFan]

Was it Eddie? He was with the Dodgers and finished with the highest BA... but didn't win the NL batting crown because some other guy got traded to the AL, and his season average went down, but his NL-only average still won him the NL crown. Just another case of Eddie getting short-changed on awards. This one had to be the ultimate in getting short-changed. Dunno if he was the last one though...

Absolutely correct. Murray hit .330 to lead the Major Leagues in 1990. Willie McGee led the National League at .335 in 542 Plate Appearances but was traded to the Oakland A's, where he batted .274 to finish at .324 combined on the season. George Brett led the American League at .329.

You're up.

[RShack]

Before Brooks, who was the legendary 3B glove? Who was the guy they kept comparing Brooks to, until everybody finally decided that Brooks was "The Man", and the other guy was just keeping the seat warm until Brooks showed up?

[BaltimoreTerp]

Before Brooks, who was the legendary 3B glove? Who was the guy they kept comparing Brooks to, until everybody finally decided that Brooks was "The Man", and the other guy was just keeping the seat warm until Brooks showed up?

Umm...isn't that an opinion more then a trivia fact?

[NJOriolesFan]

Would that be George Kell or somebody from another team like Billy Cox?

[RShack]

Umm...isn't that an opinion more then a trivia fact?Not at all. It would be if I was asking you to guess my opinion about it, but I'm not.

I'm asking who the benchmark was before Brooks, the guy who they routinely compared Brooks to? After the show he put on in the 1970 WS, Brooks was officially anointed the best-ever at playing third base, and the comparisons stopped. But before that, there was one standard comparison that they made all the time. First, it was "Could Brooks Robinson prove to be as good as X?" Then, it was "Is Brooks as good as X?" Then, it was "Is Brooks better than X?" Then, the whole country watched the '70 WS and it was all over: everybody quit mentioning X every time the topic of Brooks came up. I'm just asking, "Who is X?"

Just because it's not a stat, that doesn't mean it's not a fact ;-)

[RShack]

Would that be George Kell or somebody from another team like Billy Cox?
Neither of those guys.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Not at all. It would be if I was asking you to guess my opinion about it, but I'm not.

I'm asking who the benchmark was before Brooks, the guy who they routinely compared Brooks to? After the show he put on in the 1970 WS, Brooks was officially anointed the best-ever and the comparisons stopped. But before that, there was one standard comparison that they made all the time. First, it was "Could Brooks Robinson prove to be as good as X?" Then, it was "Is Brooks as good as X?" Then, it was "Is Brooks better than X?" Then, the whole country watched the '70 WS and it was all over: everybody quit mentioning X every time the topic of Brooks came up. I'm just asking, "Who is X?"

Just because it's not a stat, that doesn't mean it's not a fact ;-)

It's still an opinion. I'm sure Brooks was compared to a lot of third basemen.

[RShack]

It's still an opinion. I'm sure Brooks was compared to a lot of third basemen.
No offense, but I'm sure you're wrong. Once Brooks got a rep, there was One Guy who came up every time. Until the '70 WS, then it stopped.

[BaltimoreTerp]

No offense, but I'm sure you're wrong. Once Brooks got a rep, there was One Guy who came up every time. Until the '70 WS, then it stopped.

Can this be documented?

[RShack]

Can this be documented?
Beats me. Probably, if you wanna go digging through old copies of SI and The Sporting News. What are you, a lawyer? ;-)

[BaltimoreTerp]

I still don't feel that this is a fair question, and I don't think anyone is going to guess.

[RShack]

I still don't feel that this is a fair question,
I don't see what's unfair about it. The standard guy everybody uses for best-glove at 3B is Brooks. What's so hard about believing that somebody else had that rep before him? Plus, it's just a factual matter about who people most often used as the yardstick when Brooks was earning his rep. Whether those people were right or wrong is beside the point.


and I don't think anyone is going to guess.
I guess not. Even if you didn't know, I'm surprised that nobody could figure it out. There's not a lot of 3B-men in the HOF. Anyway, one of them is Pie Traynor, and he's the guy who all the pre-70-WS comparisons were about. Lotsa the coaches and managers in the 60's had played when Traynor played, so they saw them both. Slowly but surely, Brooks won them all over. And after the '70 WS, you basically never heard people talk about Traynor again.

In terms of all-around 3B, Traynor-and-Mathews were replaced by Brooks-and-Schmidt. Traynor was better in the field, but Mathews later outdid him because of his bigger bat. Same thing with Brooks and Schmidt. The time diff between Traynor and Brooks was smaller than the time diff between Brooks and now.

[longflyball]

Name the four men from the modern era to steal 100 bases in a single season.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Name the four men from the modern era to steal 100 bases in a single season.

Ty Cobb
Lou Brock
Ricky Henderson
Vince Coleman

[longflyball]

Ty Cobb
Lou Brock
Ricky Henderson
Vince Coleman

Three for four. I'm not going to say which is wrong.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Tim Raines

[longflyball]

Tim Raines

No. And no again.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Maury Wills

[longflyball]

Maury Wills

Bingo. And bingo again.

[BaltimoreTerp]

OK, four-parter:

1) What franchise has the highest winning percentage?

2) What franchise has the most wins?

3) What do these five franchises have in common?

Braves
Cubs
Reds
Pirates
Cardinals

4) What franchise has more then 9,000 wins and an overall losing record?

[longflyball]

4) What franchise has more then 9,000 wins and an overall losing record?

The Cubs?


1) What franchise has the highest winning percentage?

The Athletics?

[longflyball]

The Athletics?

OK. I thought too much about this one. Definitely not a trick question.

[longflyball]

2) What franchise has the most wins?

The Yankees?


3) What do these five franchises have in common?

Braves
Cubs
Reds
Pirates
Cardinals

They've each lost more World Series than they've won?

They've lost the most World Series?

[square634]

#3 is easy, they are all in the National League :p :D

[BaltimoreTerp]

Everyone is wrong so far (well, square634 is technically correct, bu not the answer needed :p)

[RShack]

My sig leads me to believe that #4 is the Phillies ;-)

[RShack]

#1. I'd expect the MFY's to have the highest winning pct.

#2. It couldn't be the MFY's because they're not old enough. Has to be some old NL franchise that was pretty OK a fair amount of the time. That could be any of the original 8 except for the Phillies. Which leaves 7. I bet most of them are not all that far apart. I could imagine it being the Cards, or the Giants, or the Dodgers. Years matter, and I think the Cubbies are even older, it could be them. I think the Reds are even older than the Cubbies, but for some reason I think the clock didn't start on them from the very beginning. So, beats me.

#3. Given what the rest of the questions are about, I'd guess that they share some plateau about their all-time record. Dunno if it's wins or losses. Since we're talking about teams that are 120 years old, their overall records are probably mostly around .500. But I can't think of exactly what it would be. Lots of wins, lots of losses, pretty even when you add 'em all up. Dunno, really.

[RShack]

My sig leads me to believe that #4 is the Phillies ;-)
I just re-read the question. The question wasn't just about losing, it was also about winning 9,000 games. I don't think the Phillies did that yet. They recently lost #10,000 and my sig tells me that they prolly don't have 9,000 wins just yet. So, never mind about them.

But who? I could imagine the rest of them being over .500, just from playing each other more-or-less even while they all beat up on the Phillies ;-)
So, here's what it comes down to: Who's the worst team of the old 8 NL teams who are not named the Phillies?

[BaltimoreTerp]

#1 is the Yankees: that was pretty easy, as was #4 :p

RShack is on the right track (get it? Shack on the...ok, nevermind) with #2 and #3.

[longflyball]

#1 is the Yankees: that was pretty easy, as was #4 :p

RShack is on the right track (get it? Shack on the...ok, nevermind) with #2 and #3.

Don't....let..the thread........die. :last breath:

Any answers, folks. If no one answers RShack gets to ask a question. Do we want that? :eek:

[RShack]

#1 is the Yankees: that was pretty easy, as was #4 :p

RShack is on the right track (get it? Shack on the...ok, nevermind) with #2 and #3.
Well, being on the right track is one thing, but it ain't the same as knowing the answer.

I don't think we have the answer for #4 yet, do we? AFAIK, all we know is that the MFY's have the highest winning pct.

[RShack]

Don't....let..the thread........die. :last breath:

Any answers, folks. If no one answers RShack gets to ask a question. Do we want that? :eek:
No, we don't... 'cause I'll come up with a perfectly good question that somebody will start lawyering with me about, claiming it's not a fair question just 'cause he doesn't know the answer!
;-)

[BaltimoreTerp]

Well, being on the right track is one thing, but it ain't the same as knowing the answer.

I don't think we have the answer for #4 yet, do we? AFAIK, all we know is that the MFY's have the highest winning pct.

You're right (again! :p), my apologies.

C'mon guys, let's at least get some guesses!

[RShack]

#2. It couldn't be the MFY's because they're not old enough. Has to be some old NL franchise that was pretty OK a fair amount of the time. That could be any of the original 8 except for the Phillies. Which leaves 7. I bet most of them are not all that far apart. I could imagine it being the Cards, or the Giants, or the Dodgers. Years matter, and I think the Cubbies are even older, it could be them. I think the Reds are even older than the Cubbies, but for some reason I think the clock didn't start on them from the very beginning. So, beats me.
I mentioned the Cards, Giants, Dodgers and Cubs (just because they're older).
I don't think it's the Dodgers. Overall, I think they've been worse than the Giants. McGraw vs. the Bums, etc. So, I think it's the Cards, Giants or Cubbies. But I still don't know.

[RShack]

I just re-read the question. The question wasn't just about losing, it was also about winning 9,000 games. I don't think the Phillies did that yet. They recently lost #10,000 and my sig tells me that they prolly don't have 9,000 wins just yet. So, never mind about them.

But who? I could imagine the rest of them being over .500, just from playing each other more-or-less even while they all beat up on the Phillies ;-)
So, here's what it comes down to: Who's the worst team of the old 8 NL teams who are not named the Phillies?
I'll guess the Braves. They got run out of Boston even though their only competition was the Red Sox who weren't exactly a great success either. So, they had to be bad. Not Phillies-bad, but still bad.

ps: I went to B.U. briefly back in '72. My dorm was where the Braves used to play (or so they said).

[BaltimoreTerp]

I'll guess the Braves. They got run out of Boston even though their only competition was the Red Sox who weren't exactly a great success either. So, they had to be bad. Not Phillies-bad, but still bad.

ps: I went to B.U. briefly back in '72. My dorm was where the Braves used to play (or so they said).

NOW we have #1 and #4 :D

And which was your dorm?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ae/Braves_Field_and_Nickerson_Field.JPG
From: Braves Field on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braves_Field)

[RShack]

NOW we have #1 and #4 :D

And which was your dorm?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ae/Braves_Field_and_Nickerson_Field.JPG
From: Braves Field on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braves_Field)
The tall one on the right.

The back of it looked out over a big lot where a car dealer kept his inventory. There was a big hail storm once, and I watched a couple million dollars worth of Buicks get dinged and dented beyond repair. Looking down from 8 stories up, it looked like it was raining tennis balls. Hailstones were bouncing everywhere. Big dents, busted windshields, it was like a demolition derby but with no cars moving.

ps: In FL someplace, every year they have a demolition derby with old school buses. They make'm run on a figure-8 track, so there's a lot of action at the intersection. My son's in the garbage business, I told him he should enter an old garbage truck and clean house. He said it prolly wasn't a good idea for business to have the 6 o'clock news showing video of his garbage trucks taking out school buses ;-)

[BaltimoreTerp]

Ok, if we have no more guesses by later today, I'll post the answers and it will be RShack's turn again (God help us! ;))

[BaltimoreTerp]

2) What franchise has the most wins?
Giants


3) What do these five franchises have in common?

Braves
Cubs
Reds
Pirates
Cardinals
All five have both 9,000 wins AND 9,000 losses (but like was answered, only the Braves have a losing record)

Sigh...alright RShack, you're up :p