View Full Version : With all this Bonds talk...
Todd-O
11-02-2007, 12:50 PM
and his HOF comments. I have to ask... how many of you think our man Brady Anderson was juicing (or was it really just the world's greatest work out routine combined with creatine).
I was a big fan ----> But the spike in production with the sudden fall-off following the contract year points to YES.
and his HOF comments. I have to ask... how many of you think our man Brady Anderson was juicing (or was it really just the world's greatest work out routine combined with creatine).
I was a big fan ----> But the spike in production with the sudden fall-off following the contract year points to YES.
Except the fall-off was before his contract year. That's what makes me wonder.
Sports Guy
11-02-2007, 12:54 PM
I would say there is, at least, a 95% chance Brady was doing something....What that something was is anyone's guess.
RayFink1e
11-02-2007, 12:55 PM
Creatine isnt bad or that much of a help
StateFarmFSR
11-02-2007, 01:05 PM
The answer is yes during the 50 HR season. After that I don't know. My source was very close at the time to the situation. He worked with Brady during the off season and was a trainer at the University of Florida.
MChance
11-02-2007, 01:39 PM
Yum, creatine. Countdown until Cindy's defense of her man ...
Mackus
11-02-2007, 01:58 PM
Brady was almost certainly on steroids, but so was probably 50% of the rest of baseball. Steroids didn't cause Brady's 50 HR year though, anybody who thinks he went from a 15-20 HR guy, started doing steroids and became a 50 HR guy, then for no reason stopped and went back to a 15-20 HR guy has some serious learnin' to do on the effects of steroids, because thats not how they work.
ChaosLex
11-02-2007, 02:02 PM
I liked Brady. I even shook his hand. That being said, Brady was *almost* definitely juicing.
Brady was almost certainly on steroids, but so was probably 50% of the rest of baseball.
Agreed.
Steroids didn't cause Brady's 50 HR year though, anybody who thinks he went from a 15-20 HR guy, started doing steroids and became a 50 HR guy, then for no reason stopped and went back to a 15-20 HR guy has some serious learnin' to do on the effects of steroids, because thats not how they work.
Agreed again. Oddities happen. Guys get on rolls. Crazy seasons that can't be repeated. Sometimes there just isn't a neat and quick explanation.
Moose Milligan
11-02-2007, 02:36 PM
Creatine ain't bad for you, I take it almost every day. It's naturally found in red meat, too.
I think Brady juiced. He always had muscle pulls.
blueberryale77
11-02-2007, 02:37 PM
Creatine ain't bad for you, I take it almost every day. It's naturally found in red meat, too.
I think Brady juiced. He always had muscle pulls.
Too much of anything is bad for you. Whatever Brady was doing, I think he took too much of it in the mid '90s.
wickedwitch
11-02-2007, 02:40 PM
I think he was.
I just rationalize my Brady love by saying so was almost everyone else, including pitchers. And of all the players juicing, only a very few hit 50 HR.
Mark Carver
11-02-2007, 02:46 PM
Agreed again. Oddities happen. Guys get on rolls. Crazy seasons that can't be repeated. Sometimes there just isn't a neat and quick explanation.
You mean like the year Davey Johnson went from a 10-18 HR hitter to hitting 43 HR's in 1973 for the Braves? I agree oddities do happen in baseball, and sometimes there is no explanation...
You mean like the year Davey Johnson went from a 10-18 HR hitter to hitting 43 HR's in 1973 for the Braves?
Wow, that is a stunner too. I guess he liked playing with Hank Aaron!
I looked it up - that team had 3 guys with 40 or more homers. If only there were guys around here who had access to baseball databases and could find out how often such a thing has occured. If only...
Todd-O
11-02-2007, 04:05 PM
I said the answers point to yes... but I'm not 100% convinced. That year that Brady hit 50... he showed some absolutely insane power. I wish I could dig up the Wash Post article they did one spring training about his training reg. out in Colorado (?). They described him doing heavy squats while standing on a ball... all sorts of wacky stuff. Could be that reg. included some bad stuff... guess we'll never know.
What's weird is that Bonds and 'roids make me really turned-off. But, with Brady it doesn't bother me all that much. I guess that has to do with personality factors in the media (and the fact that Brady didn't chase down and surpass one of the great sporting records under a cloud of suspicion). One of the awesome things about Ripken's record setting streak was that it all seemed so surreal and magical... so much fun to watch. I guess I'm a little ticked off that the Bonds/steriods issue robbed me of the pleasure of watching and enjoying Bonds chasing the record (which I would have done if it had not been for the fact that just about everyone thinks he knowingly cheated).
It's a very fine line...
Moose Milligan
11-02-2007, 04:11 PM
tsand72, are you living in the late 90's? ;) with this thread and your Ripken thread, I'm wondering what's goin on :D
blueberryale77
11-02-2007, 04:28 PM
I said the answers point to yes... but I'm not 100% convinced. That year that Brady hit 50... he showed some absolutely insane power. I wish I could dig up the Wash Post article they did one spring training about his training reg. out in Colorado (?). They described him doing heavy squats while standing on a ball... all sorts of wacky stuff. Could be that reg. included some bad stuff... guess we'll never know.
What's weird is that Bonds and 'roids make me really turned-off. But, with Brady it doesn't bother me all that much. I guess that has to do with personality factors in the media (and the fact that Brady didn't chase down and surpass one of the great sporting records under a cloud of suspicion). One of the awesome things about Ripken's record setting streak was that it all seemed so surreal and magical... so much fun to watch. I guess I'm a little ticked off that the Bonds/steriods issue robbed me of the pleasure of watching and enjoying Bonds chasing the record (which I would have done if it had not been for the fact that just about everyone thinks he knowingly cheated).
It's a very fine line...
I think it was really the Bonds personality issue that robbed you (and the rest of us) of the pleasure of watching Bonds chase down the record. If Balco had been in Baltimore and Cal Ripken had been the "face" of the investigation, the whole steroid thing would have been a molehill instead of the mountain it's turned out to be.
GeorgiaBird
11-02-2007, 04:37 PM
What Mackus said. He was probably on steroids, and that most likely had nothing or not much to do with his 1996 season.
Look at the guys who batted behind him in 96. The lineup included Palmeiro, Alomar, Surhoff, Hoiles, Ripken and Bonilla, all of whom also hit at least 20 HRs, and not to mention Eddie Murray. Seems to me the ball was flying pretty good that year. And chances are that Brady, even as he hit balls out, was still going to see a lot of fastballs with those guys behind him.
srock
11-02-2007, 04:48 PM
Creatine ain't bad for you, I take it almost every day. It's naturally found in red meat, too.
I think Brady juiced. He always had muscle pulls.
And taking it as a supplement affects people differently. It made my little brother huge but I had a roommate who saw almost no difference.
It takes
Different Strokes...
Todd-O
11-02-2007, 05:35 PM
tsand72, are you living in the late 90's? ;) with this thread and your Ripken thread, I'm wondering what's goin on :D
Specifically, I'm stuck in a twilight zone between 1996 and 1998.:o
I think the Bond's issue coming back... AGAIN... caused me to think about Brady because I was a huge fan of his game. Somehow that dug up the dang Ripken rumor and it's hard to pass up the collective knowledge of folks on this site.
But, as far as I'm concerned the Rip rumor is false because someone here actually saw him at the "lights out" game and as for Brady... who knows. I guess it all doesn't really matter but it's interesting to hear opinions.
biggrthngibbons
11-02-2007, 08:00 PM
Brady was almost certainly on steroids, but so was probably 50% of the rest of baseball. Steroids didn't cause Brady's 50 HR year though, anybody who thinks he went from a 15-20 HR guy, started doing steroids and became a 50 HR guy, then for no reason stopped and went back to a 15-20 HR guy has some serious learnin' to do on the effects of steroids, because thats not how they work.
Speaking as a former steroid user, and being around quite a few people who have done a lot more than myself... depending on the users work ethic, eating habits, and the type of juice they are on... that is most certainly how they work. I'm not saying that the results Brady received were typical, but the opinion that steroids can't make that drastic of an impact on a player's performance is simply uninformed.
El Gordo
11-02-2007, 08:50 PM
Speaking as a former steroid user, and being around quite a few people who have done a lot more than myself... depending on the users work ethic, eating habits, and the type of juice they are on... that is most certainly how they work. I'm not saying that the results Brady received were typical, but the opinion that steroids can't make that drastic of an impact on a player's performance is simply uninformed.Bonds being the best evidence of that. On the other hand, Roger Maris who is not suspected of juicing to my knowledge, hit 30+ HR's only 3 times in his career, from ages 25-27; 39, 61, 33. Nice juicey spike there.:D
What Mackus said. He was probably on steroids, and that most likely had nothing or not much to do with his 1996 season.
Look at the guys who batted behind him in 96. The lineup included Palmeiro, Alomar, Surhoff, Hoiles, Ripken and Bonilla, all of whom also hit at least 20 HRs, and not to mention Eddie Murray. Seems to me the ball was flying pretty good that year. And chances are that Brady, even as he hit balls out, was still going to see a lot of fastballs with those guys behind him.
This seems like an incredible statement to me. Why would you suspect him of steroids if you believe his 50 homer season had nothing to do with it? Why would you suspect him in the first place?
It's like saying you suspect Bonds of doing steroids but believe it had nothing to do with his 70 homer season.
El Gordo
11-02-2007, 10:16 PM
This seems like an incredible statement to me. Why would you suspect him of steroids if you believe his 50 homer season had nothing to do with it? Why would you suspect him in the first place?
It's like saying you suspect Bonds of doing steroids but believe it had nothing to do with his 70 homer season.
Well I suppose in Bond's case you could say you suspect him of doing steroids because his head increased from the size of a vollyball to that of a basketball.:D
RShack
11-03-2007, 03:22 AM
Steroids didn't cause Brady's 50 HR year though, anybody who thinks he went from a 15-20 HR guy, started doing steroids and became a 50 HR guy, then for no reason stopped and went back to a 15-20 HR guy has some serious learnin' to do on the effects of steroids, because thats not how they work.
That's not how they work? Huh? Sure it is. That's exactly how they work if you use them that way.
Boy Howdy
11-03-2007, 03:33 PM
I'm pretty much the same tall, skinny dude I was when I graduated from high school in Brady's rookie year with the O's. An Oil Can Boyd-ish build they said at the time. For the youth of today, think Brandon Fahey.
Anyway, I have a picture standing next to Brady outside Memorial Stadium. He looks all cool in his shades and Beatles shirt, whereas I look like a starstruck Orioles fan. Other than that, you couldn't tell us apart.
As early as 1989, I remember hearing tales of Brady the fitness fanatic during Orioles broadcasts. He'd chug down any mix of ill-tasting ingredients he could fit in a blender if someone convinced him that it would make him faster, stronger or both. The creatine stuff was portrayed as something cutting edge that demonstrated Brady's zeal for fitness. Whatever he did beyond that doesn't shock me at all, as it was obvious he was on a mission to get results. Mission accomplished.
As far as the larger steroids issue goes, I often think about something I overheard a ballplayer telling a reporter off the record once. "What are you gonna do to these guys? Throw them out of baseball? They already made it! They have their million dollars! It's too late!"
Big Mac
11-06-2007, 09:17 PM
I'm pretty much the same tall, skinny dude I was when I graduated from high school in Brady's rookie year with the O's. An Oil Can Boyd-ish build they said at the time. For the youth of today, think Brandon Fahey.
Anyway, I have a picture standing next to Brady outside Memorial Stadium. He looks all cool in his shades and Beatles shirt, whereas I look like a starstruck Orioles fan. Other than that, you couldn't tell us apart.
As early as 1989, I remember hearing tales of Brady the fitness fanatic during Orioles broadcasts. He'd chug down any mix of ill-tasting ingredients he could fit in a blender if someone convinced him that it would make him faster, stronger or both. The creatine stuff was portrayed as something cutting edge that demonstrated Brady's zeal for fitness. Whatever he did beyond that doesn't shock me at all, as it was obvious he was on a mission to get results. Mission accomplished.
As far as the larger steroids issue goes, I often think about something I overheard a ballplayer telling a reporter off the record once. "What are you gonna do to these guys? Throw them out of baseball? They already made it! They have their million dollars! It's too late!"
You're built like Fahey huh? I'm built almost exactly like Nolan Reimold. He's listed at 6' 4", 207 lbs. I'm 6' 4" and 205. Now if only I could hit like Reimold and I'd be in business.
P.S. Sorry that this has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.