View Full Version : Should Ravens Fire Billick & Hire Cowher?
Darthy Katt
11-11-2007, 05:13 PM
With a piss poor offense, injuries, & playoff chances dwindeling, should the Ravens fire Billick? And if Billick is fired, should they go after Bill Cowher? In 15 seasons Cowher led the Steelers to 10 playoff apperances, 8 division titles, & one Super Bowl title. Including playoff apperances, Cowher's record is 161-99-1 for a .619 average.
ravensd5255
11-11-2007, 06:40 PM
With a piss poor offense, injuries, & playoff chances dwindeling, should the Ravens fire Billick? And if Billick is fired, should they go after Bill Cowher? In 15 seasons Cowher led the Steelers to 10 playoff apperances, 8 division titles, & one Super Bowl title. Including playoff apperances, Cowher's record is 161-99-1 for a .619 average.
I hold no grudges vs coaches so hell yes i'd love to see it happen.
BaltimoreTerp
11-11-2007, 06:46 PM
With a piss poor offense, injuries, & playoff chances dwindeling, should the Ravens fire Billick? And if Billick is fired, should they go after Bill Cowher? In 15 seasons Cowher led the Steelers to 10 playoff apperances, 8 division titles, & one Super Bowl title. Including playoff apperances, Cowher's record is 161-99-1 for a .619 average.
We're blaming him for injuries now, too?
How about not preventing the rain in the Steelers' game last week? :rolleyes:
We're blaming him for injuries now, too?
How about not preventing the rain in the Steelers' game last week? :rolleyes:
Are you related to Billick?
There is no way that his handling of this team is acceptable. Just no way. His offenses have stunk for years and his play calling is terrible.
Can him now.
BaltimoreTerp
11-11-2007, 07:16 PM
Are you related to Billick?
Are you from Pitts"burg"h? :rolleyes:
Sports Guy
11-11-2007, 07:32 PM
My preference is to keep Billick as the head coach but that he hires a good OC and has no input in the offense.
If he is unwilling to do that, he needs to go.
BaltimoreTerp
11-11-2007, 07:34 PM
My preference is to keep Billick as the head coach but that he hires a good OC and has no input in the offense.
If he is unwilling to do that, he needs to go.
We have a winner.
My preference is to keep Billick as the head coach but that he hires a good OC and has no input in the offense.
If he is unwilling to do that, he needs to go.
IMO, you're dreaming if you think that "Brain" would ever agree to that. His ego won't allow him to do so. Look how blinded he is with McNair. Do you really think that he could admit he's to blame for this putrid offense?
BaltimoreTerp
11-11-2007, 07:39 PM
IMO, you're dreaming if you think that "Brain" would ever agree to that. His ego won't allow him to do so. Look how blinded he is with McNair. Do you really think that he could admit he's to blame for this putrid offense?
He doesn't have a choice. He's going to be coaching tight ends at BYU for his next job if he gets himself fired from here.
Sports Guy
11-11-2007, 07:41 PM
IMO, you're dreaming if you think that "Brain" would ever agree to that. His ego won't allow him to do so. Look how blinded he is with McNair. Do you really think that he could admit he's to blame for this putrid offense?
Well, that is what it boils down to....Can/will he do it?
If he won't, then Bisciotti needs to fire him.
If he is willing to do it, I would like him to stay because of all the other things he does well.
Gurgi
11-11-2007, 07:46 PM
First thing first. Fire Billick. Then figure out who to hire.
I'm tired of the whole Billick show. He is a genius only in his own head.
square634
11-11-2007, 08:03 PM
I would just make Ryan the head coach. Or we could rehire Marvin Lewis if the Bengals fire him.
BaltimoreTerp
11-11-2007, 08:03 PM
I would just make Ryan the head coach. Or we could rehire Marvin Lewis if the Bengals fire him.
Yeah, he's done great with Cincinnati...
square634
11-11-2007, 08:08 PM
Yeah, he's done great with Cincinnati...
Well I think if we are going to keep Ray Lewis and any other players from the old guard, we have to hire a coach they respect or risk fracturing the chemistry even more than it already is. I think Ryan and Marvin Lewis would both be candidates that might fit.
Personally, until this year I didn't think a head coach could have such a huge impact. I still don't think a head coach can make a team much better, but Billick has proven to me that a coach can make a team much worse by himself.
Objectivity
11-11-2007, 08:14 PM
Look how blinded he is with McNair. Do you really think that he could admit he's to blame for this putrid offense?
This is the only criticism of Billick that I can't support. Billick has always stood behind his players publicly no matter once, even when it would have been better for him personally and professionally to do otherwise.
He stood behind Lewis when Lewis was charged with murder. He stood beside Grbac even when the team wouldn't. He publicly supported Boller saying he was the quarterback until the day they got McNair. Now, he's standing behind McNair.
Billick supports his players and they respect him for it, not because he's right or because they agree with him or even like it, but because they know deep down if they were in trouble he'd stand by them too.
Billick needs to be told to bench McNair and to change his offense. If he asks how, he should be told to look at any other team in the NFL and borrow from them.
SilentJames
11-11-2007, 08:21 PM
You need to fire Billick. The guy has simply refused to make the changes necessary to win. He refuses to the adapt.
There are times where "Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead." just doesn't work.
McNair should not have started game two, it just agrivated his injuries and I will contend that it hurt his play pre-bye week. I would not have started him tonight.
If McNair starts next week, well at this point it doesn't matter. Lets hope for the best pick we can get :::cough cough :::: Dennis Dixon (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=145026) :: cough ::
longflyball
11-11-2007, 08:24 PM
Personally, until this year I didn't think a head coach could have such a huge impact. I still don't think a head coach can make a team much better, but Billick has proven to me that a coach can make a team much worse by himself.
The quality of a team's coaching has a huge impact in the NFL. Talent is so evenly distributed among teams that play calling and game management often make the difference between winning by a field goal and losing by a field goal.
Dipper9
11-11-2007, 08:40 PM
I have defended Billick for years, but I just can't anymore. He needs to start Boller the rest of the season and let him air it out. Favre was never a "ball control" QB, and yet he has had a little success. :rolleyes: Let Boller play, let him open up the offense, and see what happens. If McNair starts next week, I may not watch the game for the first time in 11 years.
Darthy Katt
11-11-2007, 08:53 PM
Billick's a cement head when it comes to making offensive adjustments against his opponents' defenses. He has no one but himself to blame for this disgraceful loss. His first mistake today was letting McNair start this game.
RShack
11-11-2007, 08:54 PM
The owner can't go micro-managing who Billick plays or what his game plan is. Billick's the head coach, he does what he does, it's his job. If you don't like the job he does as head coach, then you can fire him. But you can't go telling him how to do his job. That's like the Warehouse telling the manager how to make out his lineup card and whether or not to bunt.
Darthy Katt
11-11-2007, 08:59 PM
The owner can't go micro-managing who Billick plays or what his game plan is. Billick's the head coach, he does what he does, it's his job. If you don't like the job he does as head coach, then you can fire him. But you can't go telling him how to do his job. That's like the Warehouse telling the manager how to make out his lineup card and whether or not to bunt.Well we've had crap offenses since Billick's been here & it's getting worse, not better each game this season, so I say fire him.
BaltimoreTerp
11-11-2007, 09:35 PM
The owner can't go micro-managing who Billick plays or what his game plan is. Billick's the head coach, he does what he does, it's his job. If you don't like the job he does as head coach, then you can fire him. But you can't go telling him how to do his job. That's like the Warehouse telling the manager how to make out his lineup card and whether or not to bunt.
Of course you can. If you think Billick does enough good things to keep him, then you make him change the rest.
It isn't even really micromanaging; it's good business, even if it is just keeping the fans involved.
Just look at how the perception of "micromanaging" from Peter Angelos was affected when he vetoed the Roberts to Atlanta deal in the spring.
If you are in a position to fix the problem, then fix it.
Tomkingsize
11-11-2007, 09:43 PM
When you have an All-Pro tight end at your disposal, wouldn't it make sense to get him the ball more than 3 times a game?
When Air Coryell was big in the early 80's, Kellen Winslow (Sr.) was thrown to an average of 9 to 10 times a game. Sure, Fouts was the quarterback and guys like Joiner, Jefferson, and Chandler were the receivers but I believe the situations could be comparable.
We need a quarterback to 'air it out' downfield. Boller is reputed to be able to throw the ball thru the goalpost on his knees from midfield. I agree with the fan who said let him throw deep.
Btw, any chance we can get a guy like Matt Ryan or the kid from Louisville?
Aside from a shutdown corner, we need a quarterback. Troy Smith doesn't impress me too much.
:(
Mark Carver
11-11-2007, 10:28 PM
I would just make Ryan the head coach. Or we could rehire Marvin Lewis if the Bengals fire him.
Marvin Lewis... the defensive guru? The Bengals have been on defense -
2007 - 31st
2006 - 30th
2005 - 28th
2004 - 19th
No thank you...
square634
11-11-2007, 10:40 PM
Marvin Lewis... the defensive guru? The Bengals have been on defense -
2007 - 31st
2006 - 30th
2005 - 28th
2004 - 19th
No thank you...
Well Billick was an offensive genius when he had Randy Moss, Cris Carter, and Robert Smith, but he can't do anything here. Maybe it has something to do with the talent in Cincinnati? Plus, he's a head coach now, it's not his job to be a coordinator.
NewMarketSean
11-11-2007, 11:00 PM
I don't think Cowher would come to Baltimore after being in Pittsburgh for so many years. I don't think he would do that to Steeler fans. If we were ever to come to Baltimore it would have to be with another head coaching job somewhere in between Pittsburgh and Baltimore.
ScottieBaseball
11-11-2007, 11:25 PM
Billick's a cement head when it comes to making offensive adjustments against his opponents' defenses. He has no one but himself to blame for this disgraceful loss. His first mistake today was letting McNair start this game.
Alright, alright...I realize everyone is PO'd, but you need to chill out with the name-calling. I agree that a change might be necessary, but we don't do name calling here.
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Dr. FLK
11-12-2007, 07:51 AM
My preference is to keep Billick as the head coach but that he hires a good OC and has no input in the offense.
If he is unwilling to do that, he needs to go.
Didn't he pick this OC? I see the reasoning here, but I think his time has come. He's never assembled a legit offense. He gets the pieces he wants both to coach and play. And, this isn't a "new OC away" offense, it's a complete disaster. They don't know how to get anywhere near the end zone. He picked the QBs, and they are both horrendous. He picked the OC, and he doesn't do anything productive. This offense/team need an entirely fresh look, and it won't happen with Billick involved.
SilentJames
11-12-2007, 08:13 AM
Didn't he pick this OC? I see the reasoning here, but I think his time has come. He's never assembled a legit offense. He gets the pieces he wants both to coach and play. And, this isn't a "new OC away" offense, it's a complete disaster. They don't know how to get anywhere near the end zone. He picked the QBs, and they are both horrendous. He picked the OC, and he doesn't do anything productive. This offense/team need an entirely fresh look, and it won't happen with Billick involved.
Ummm, FLK - Billick IS the OC. I am going to assume that you are making some point about him picking himself but still your comment comes off as confusing.
The offense has been terrible for years and Billick has no one else to blame. OCs, QBs, RBs, WRs. The problem is Billick's inability to make necessary adjustments from week to week. There was no way McNair should have started today, but I can even forgive THAT. But please someone tell me why he came out again at the start of the second half?
I have defended the guy against the fly-off-the-handle Ravens crowd, but no more. Dude has got to go.
NewMarketSean
11-12-2007, 10:16 AM
It's my understanding that Biscotti told Billick to change his ways after the 2005 season and Billick agreed. What those ways were is unknown. I would have thought it would have been to divorce yourself from the offense, but when Fassel was a failure and Billick took over, the offense took off so there was not much Biscotti could say about that. Now we're back to where we started, so I don't see how asking Billick to change his ways again is going to help much. There is only so many times you can go back to the well before Billick is going to start to not care or get resentful, etc...
The best thing for the team is to fire him.
Mark Carver
11-12-2007, 10:37 AM
Ummm, FLK - Billick IS the OC. I am going to assume that you are making some point about him picking himself but still your comment comes off as confusing.
Technically, Rick Neuheisel is the Offensive Coordinator/Quarterback coach. It's just that Billick is the one that calls the plays during the game.
See Ravens Assistant Coaches (http://www.nfl.com/teams/baltimoreravens/coaches?coaType=head&team=BAL)
Rick Neuheisel
Offensive coordinator/Quarterbacks; born February 7, 1961, Madison, Wis. Quarterback UCLA 1979-1983. Pro quarterback San Antonio Gunslingers (USFL) 1984-85, San Diego Chargers 1987, Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1987. College coach: UCLA 1988-1994, Colorado 1995-98 (head coach), Washington 1999-2002 (head coach). Pro coach: Joined Ravens in 2005.
The offense has been terrible for years and Billick has no one else to blame. OCs, QBs, RBs, WRs. The problem is Billick's inability to make necessary adjustments from week to week. There was no way McNair should have started today, but I can even forgive THAT. But please someone tell me why he came out again at the start of the second half?
I have defended the guy against the fly-off-the-handle Ravens crowd, but no more. Dude has got to go.
The score was 6-0 Bengals. With 18 seconds left in the 1st half, a pass that Heap tipped in the end zone was intercepted. If Heap somehow makes that catch, the Ravens go into halftime leading the game. The Ravens had 5, 9, 9 and 10 play drives in the 1st half.
The Ravens lost the game in the 2nd half of the game, not the 1st...
NewMarketSean
11-12-2007, 10:40 AM
I'll agree with whoever said it. McNair looked better than the week before, putting some heat on the ball and moving around well. But he still turned the ball over, which is a no-no. In the end, he played another horrible game and hasn't been above average in any game since the Christmas Eve game against the Steelers last year.
SilentJames
11-12-2007, 05:47 PM
McNair looked better than Pittsburgh, but that isn't much of an improvement. Throws were routinely low and missing the mark. He looked slow and the pocket was collapsing around him.
The last part is not his fault, but Boller has his legs under him, McNair doesn't. I still think McNair is being bothered by a tender groin. Boller should have started the second half. Moreover, he should have started the game.
Its all about putting the team in the best position to win, Boller gave us that.