Mitchell Report circus has past, Now lets Move on

[Peace21]

Lets get back to talking trade talks. Alot of things will start to pick up. Bedard and Roberts should be dealt before Christmas. And for certain, Roberts wont be affected by the report..per Cubs.

[Leo Gomez]

Lets get back to talking trade talks. Alot of things will start to pick up. Bedard and Roberts should be dealt before Christmas. And for certain, Roberts wont be affected by the report..per Cubs.

Good stuff, Peace. Are there still talks of the 4-for-1 for BRob with Chicago?

[Peace21]

Good stuff, Peace. Are there still talks of the 4-for-1 for BRob with Chicago?

Hendry really wants Roberts. And Pie is expected to be in the deal. Gallagher will definately be in any deal.

[Mackus]

If Pie is really off limits, then I go after Murton, Gallagher, Veal, and Patterson for Roberts. Then I try to get Cueto, Votto, Hamilton and Encarnacion from the Reds for Bedard and Scott.

[RyanAdams420]

Peace,

Is Adam Jones def on the table? Are Bruce, Kemp, and Kershaw def off?

Caus it sounds to me like the M's are the team to trade with...but everyone on here has done a lot more research then myself.

[Mackus]

Hendry really wants Roberts. And Pie is expected to be in the deal. Gallagher will definately be in any deal.Even if Pie is in the Roberts deal I'd try to swing both Bedard and Scott to the Reds and get 4 players back. Hamilton either goes to LF or CF depending on if we get Pie or Murton back from the Cubs.

[Mackus]

Peace,

Is Adam Jones def on the table? Are Bruce, Kemp, and Kershaw def off?

Caus it sounds to me like the M's are the team to trade with...but everyone on here has done a lot more research then myself.Jones is definitely the best player availabel assuming Kemp, Kershaw, and Bruce are off limits. However, I think a Reds package can trump anything the Mariners would put together or that the Dodgers would put together assuming both Kershaw and Kemp aren't involved (and maybe even if one of them is).

[TinCup]

If Pie is really off limits, then I go after Murton, Gallagher, Veal, and Patterson for Roberts. Then I try to get Cueto, Votto, Hamilton and Encarnacion from the Reds for Bedard and Scott.


You raise a good point Mackus.....

who do we trade next: BRob or Bedard?

[Hank Scorpio]

Lets get back to talking trade talks. Alot of things will start to pick up. Bedard and Roberts should be dealt before Christmas. And for certain, Roberts wont be affected by the report..per Cubs.

For certain. Why would it? It may or may not have happened, and even if it did it was 5 years ago.

I am not surprised by that in the least, but I'm still not 100% sure that trading Roberts to the Cubs is a stellar idea, especially if Bailey or Cueto will be coming back in the Bedard deal.

Based on what BB said last night, I'm not crazy about dealing with Seattle. I like Jones, but he's not paired with Balentien or Clement... keep huntin'.

[Peace21]

Has Kuroda offically agreed to go to LA?

[Birds08]

Lets get back to talking trade talks. Alot of things will start to pick up. Bedard and Roberts should be dealt before Christmas. And for certain, Roberts wont be affected by the report..per Cubs.

Would love for something to happen in the next 3 days....Any chance of that?

Seems like a lot of stuff (ie. Bedard and Roberts trades) was imminent until the Tejada trade, and now seems like it has slowed down. That could obviously all just be perception though.

[JTrea81]

I would hope that each might be dealt over the weekend. The Kuroda situation could be resolved today so that would leave only two teams in the Bedard chase, likely the Reds and Mariners. The Roberts trade should go down pretty soon as well. There were reports that he would be traded before Bedard. Is this still what people are hearing?

[Peace21]

Would love for something to happen in the next 3 days....Any chance of that?

Seems like a lot of stuff (ie. Bedard and Roberts trades) was imminent until the Tejada trade, and now seems like it has slowed down. That could obviously all just be perception though.

picking back up.

[RyanAdams420]

Peace,

What is the last update you recieved and when was it? I apologize if you've mentioned it already. I searched and couldn't find it...

Thanks!

[Peace21]

I would hope that each might be dealt over the weekend. The Kuroda situation could be resolved today so that would leave only two teams in the Bedard chase, likely the Reds and Mariners. The Roberts trade should go down pretty soon as well. There were reports that he would be traded before Bedard. Is this still what people are hearing?

Their maybe a sleeper team

[Peace21]

Peace,

What is the last update you recieved and when was it? I apologize if you've mentioned it already. I searched and couldn't find it...

Thanks!

Wednesday night, and my guy sad Hendry really wants Roberts. Even if it means parting with Pie.

[JTrea81]

Has Kuroda offically agreed to go to LA?

http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071213&content_id=2324544&vkey=news_sea&fext=.jsp&c_id=sea

Seattle strongly pursued free-agent right-hander Hiroki Kuroda from Japan, increasing an original three-year offer worth $36 million, to four years, but he apparently has decided to take less money and pitch for the Dodgers.

That could become official as early as Friday, pending a physical. Kuroda reportedly agreed to a three-year, $33 million offer for three reasons: the Dodgers will be playing their 50th anniversary season in Los Angeles in 2008, Joe Torre is the manager and Kuroda believes the Dodgers have a better chance of winning the National League West or Wild Card than the Mariners have of winning the AL West or Wild Card.


We should hear today most likely, pending his physical.

[Peace21]

http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071213&content_id=2324544&vkey=news_sea&fext=.jsp&c_id=sea

We should hear today most likely, pending his physical.

Should speed the wheels up

[Hank Scorpio]

Their maybe a sleeper team

Good, I hope there is.

It's a wise move to take a long, broad look at what's available before making any deal other than the Dodgers'.

Haven't heard anything officially on Kuroda yet.

[RyanAdams420]

If we could get Pie that would be great. I think things are looking up!

[JohnnyBGoode]

Their maybe a sleeper team

The Atlanta Braves. Book it!

[Birds08]

I predict its the ChiSox or Angels.

[JTrea81]

Their maybe a sleeper team

Cleveland? I've heard they kicked the tires on Bedard. Their system is a little barren. We'd have to get some of their young ML talent back such as Miller and Carmona...

[Dipper9]

Major props to Peace for getting us back on track after the whole Mitchell fiasco. How about joining me in giving him a little rep?!

[Dipper9]

Cleveland? I've heard they kicked the tires on Bedard. Their system is a little barren. We'd have to get some of their young ML talent back such as Miller and Carmona...

Maybe Sizemore and Hafner? :D :D :D

I keed, I keed.

[ChaosLex]

Their maybe a sleeper team

Haha. My hunch pays off. :D

[mcgraw238]

Sports Guy speculated KC. I think he is right.

[Mackus]

Pie and Gallagher would be a great return on Roberts, but I'd even take the Murton, Gallagher, Patterson and a 4th player (rumored that they're offering Guzman, I'd try for Veal) deal. It looks like we'll either be getting Hamilton or Jones back for Bedard, so Murton could play LF and the other play CF. If we get Pie, then Jones/Hamilton plays LF.

[Peace21]

The Mitchell thing was so 5 seconds ago. The O's offseason has beenfar better theatre. The Mitchell Report was like Halftime.

[Hank Scorpio]

Sports Guy speculated KC. I think he is right.

Highly doubt it.

Moore knows Bedard isn't staying in Kansas City.

[JohnnyBGoode]

The Braves are always one of those teams that makes a big splash when you least expect it.

Was Frank Wren here when we drafted Erik?

[Dipper9]

The Mitchell thing was so 5 seconds ago. The O's offseason has beenfar better theatre. The Mitchell Report was like Halftime.

Hopefully it was just the end of the first quarter! :D

[psk3170]

My guess for the sleeper is Rockies and they have the talent to offer us a great deal.

[mcgraw238]

Highly doubt it.

Moore knows Bedard isn't staying in Kansas City.

I happen to think that KC is a place that Bedard might like. KC has a lot of young talent and they have been rumored to want to make an impact move. They would have Bedard for 2 year minimum and could take the draft picks if they could not sign him long term.

[psk3170]

Peace,

Any talk on the smaller trade bait? Mora, Huff, Millar, Ramon, or Payton. I consider Gibbons untradeable.

[TinCup]

Hopefully it was just the end of the first quarter! :D

Nah, I like the halftime analogy better. :)

Halftime is done, over with. The 1st quarter analogy means there may still be a 2nd quarter to the report (unfotunately there likely will be, but...) and we don't need/want that now. "3rd quarter" returns us to more active trading activity. :D

[Hank Scorpio]

My guess for the sleeper is Rockies and they have the talent to offer us a great deal.

I like the Rockies as the sleeper team as well. They are obviously close and have a huge need for a dominant pitcher. Bedard fits their needs well.

Kansas City is miles away, almost as far as we are :D.

[Frobby]

The Mitchell thing was so 5 seconds ago. The O's offseason has beenfar better theatre. The Mitchell Report was like Halftime.

I don't know anyone here who would rather discuss the Mitchell Report than a solid trade rumor. Give us some fuel, and it will burn like a blazing inferno!

I hope you are right about Pie. He fits our needs very well.

[TinCup]

I happen to think that KC is a place that Bedard might like. KC has a lot of young talent and they have been rumored to want to make an impact move. They would have Bedard for 2 year minimum and could take the draft picks if they could not sign him long term.

Why would KC trade the talent needed to get Bedard if it did not think it could sign him (which with their payroll is higly questionable, if not laughable - they just blew a large nut on who, Guillen)? Makes no sense to do that just to get him for two years. He won't fill the stands there on his own. No, KC does not make any sense. They are certainly not in "win now" mode.

[Peace21]

I wouldnt mind seeing Bedard going midwest.

[Frobby]

I wouldnt mind seeing Bedard going midwest.

What would he prefer, do you think? Does your guy have any insight on that?

[Hank Scorpio]

I wouldnt mind seeing Bedard going midwest.

The midwest is a vast place.

[Peace21]

What would he prefer, do you think? Does your guy have any insight on that?

Yes he does. Ill have more later. Lets also see what BB and Belkast have in store for us today.

Could we be granted with FWIW PART 3?

[blueberryale77]

I wouldnt mind seeing Bedard going midwest.

Wait... we aren't talking about those half-baked Roberts AND Bedard to the Cubs ideas, are we? I don't see any possible way that could be a good thing. :confused: ;)

[Peace21]

Wait... we aren't talking about those half-baked Roberts AND Bedard to the Cubs ideas, are we? I don't see any possible way that could be a good thing. :confused: ;)

Dont be silly;) I know its Friday, but come on. hahaha

[theobird]

I happen to think that KC is a place that Bedard might like. KC has a lot of young talent and they have been rumored to want to make an impact move. They would have Bedard for 2 year minimum and could take the draft picks if they could not sign him long term.

Count me in on the KC possibility. Bedard would love it there, the Media is as mild as anywhere in the country. And, they have some nice pieces too. Billy Butler is a must. Besides him they have Mark Teahen, David DeJesus, John Buck, Luke Hochevar, etc. I'd trade them Bedard and Ramon for DeJesus, Butler, Teahen, Buck and Hochevar. That would be a good deal for everyone, IMO.

[UMterp08]

If there's a sleeper team, it's cleveland. Gotta be.

[Mackus]

I wouldnt mind seeing Bedard going midwest.Arizona? Kansas City? Cleveland? Cincinnati?

Geography isn't my strong point.

[blueberryale77]

Arizona? Kansas City? Cleveland? Cincinnati?

Geography isn't my strong point.

Obviously. ;)

[mcgraw238]

Why would KC trade the talent needed to get Bedard if it did not think it could sign him (which with their payroll is higly questionable, if not laughable - they just blew a large nut on who, Guillen)? Makwes no sense to do that just to get himn for two years. He won't fill the sands there on his own. No, KC does not make any sense. They are certainly not in "win now" mode.

Were talking about a sleeper team right?

KC in the last two offseasons has added Guillen and Meche to big deals. This shows a willingness to add to payroll (not sure if it is $$$ well spent). They were rumored to have interest in Kuroda. They have good young major league talent and good prospects. The maturation of their young kids and the addtion of a front-line starting pitcher certaintly puts them a lot closer to competing. Winning is what will fill the stands. If they cannot sign Bedard after two seasons they take the draft picks.

[Hank Scorpio]

The Colorado Rockies were in the World Series with a young team. Their pitching is relatively young and thin. Bedard makes so much sense there, and they could put together a healthy package.

[TinCup]

Were talking about a sleeper team right?

KC in the last two offseasons has added Guillen and Meche to big deals. This shows a willingness to add to payroll (not sure if it is $$$ well spent). They were rumored to have interest in Kuroda. They have good young major league talent and good prospects. The maturation of their young kids and the addtion of a front-line starting pitcher certaintly puts them a lot closer to competing. Winning is what will fill the stands. If they cannot sign Bedard after two seasons they take the draft picks.

Bah, color me skeptical still. ;)

[Hank Scorpio]

Peace, do you have someone specific in mind?

I like Rasmus, but I'm not sold on STL.

[JakeeO]

Wasn't there a rumor at one point that Mazzone might go to the KC?

If he does, I am sure Bedard wouldn't mind paring back up with him. He and Guthrie seem to have been the only starters that really benefited from having Leo around.

And vice-versa, landing Bedard might help entice Mazzone to KC.

[Mackus]

Peace, do you have someone specific in mind?

I like Rasmus, but I'm not sold on STL.Rasmus is solid (but still behind Kemp and Jones, IMO) but the rest of the Cards system is crap. I'm not taking quantity over quality for Bedard.

The Reds are certainly the best option at this point. I think I even prefer them to the Dodgers even if Kemp is included.

[Sports Guy]

Midwest team could be KC or St Louis.

If only St Louis had another player to go with Rasmus!

If Gallagher and Pie for BRob is really possible, that deal needs to be made.

Fair trade for both sides....Really helps out each team.

I am starting to worry we won't get the return for Bedard we are hoping for.

[Dixonterp10]

Rasmus is solid (but still behind Kemp and Jones, IMO) but the rest of the Cards system is crap. I'm not taking quantity over quality for Bedard.

The Reds are certainly the best option at this point. I think I even prefer them to the Dodgers even if Kemp is included.

I agree 100% about the Reds being the best option. Kemp's upside is amazing and he has already started to prove it in the majors, but the total package Cinci can offer us is much better.

[Fan4Life]

Midwest team could be KC or St Louis.

If only St Louis had another player to go with Rasmus!

If Gallagher and Pie for BRob is really possible, that deal needs to be made.

Fair trade for both sides....Really helps out each team.

I am starting to worry we won't get the return for Bedard we are hoping for.

How about Duncan and Rasmus as part of a package for St Louis?

[Hank Scorpio]

Rasmus is solid (but still behind Kemp and Jones, IMO) but the rest of the Cards system is crap. I'm not taking quantity over quality for Bedard.

The Reds are certainly the best option at this point. I think I even prefer them to the Dodgers even if Kemp is included.

I definitely don't, but I wouldn't lose sleep over a Cincinnati deal.

What could Colorado do for us?

[ChaosLex]

Midwest team could be KC or St Louis.

If only St Louis had another player to go with Rasmus!

If Gallagher and Pie for BRob is really possible, that deal needs to be made.

Fair trade for both sides....Really helps out each team.

I am starting to worry we won't get the return for Bedard we are hoping for.

Is St. Louis in any other trade talks? It'd be nice if they could land a couple of guys and package them with Rasmus.

[Peace21]

Midwest team could be KC or St Louis.

If only St Louis had another player to go with Rasmus!

If Gallagher and Pie for BRob is really possible, that deal needs to be made.

Fair trade for both sides....Really helps out each team.

I am starting to worry we won't get the return for Bedard we are hoping for.

We are talking about Erik Bedard here arent we?

Dont be so skeptic. The guy is one of the top lefties in the game. AM is going to milk every team for what its worth. And if doesnt work out, we keep him. Its a win/win for the O's.

[Lefty0315]

Midwest team could be KC or St Louis.

If only St Louis had another player to go with Rasmus!

If Gallagher and Pie for BRob is really possible, that deal needs to be made.

Fair trade for both sides....Really helps out each team.

I am starting to worry we won't get the return for Bedard we are hoping for.

The Cards have been shopping Anthony Reyes all season. Rasmus and Reyes would be a good start.

[davearm]

Hendry really wants Roberts. And Pie is expected to be in the deal. Gallagher will definately be in any deal.
Care to make it interesting Peace?

There must be some sort of friendly wager to be made here.

[Peace21]

Care to make it interesting Peace?

There must be some sort of friendly wager to be made here.

How about Chicago Pizza for Maryland Crab Cakes? Always thinking with my stomach.:D

[Sports Guy]

The Cards have been shopping Anthony Reyes all season. Rasmus and Reyes would be a good start.

I would love to have Reyes as the third player....Rasmus as player #1....They lack that second player in the package...That's the problem.

[jamesenoch]

I wonder if the Twins could get involved with Bedard, contingent on them trading Santana?

I don't think they are blowing up their team like the Orioles are and whatever pieces they get for Santana they could use in a trade with Baltimore.

For the Twins, they get a guy who is potentially as good as Santana for another 2 years.

[Sports Guy]

We are talking about Erik Bedard here arent we?

Dont be so skeptic. The guy is one of the top lefties in the game. AM is going to milk every team for what its worth. And if doesnt work out, we keep him. Its a win/win for the O's.

The problem is, with LA likely getting Kuroda, they are out of it.

If the M's don't want to trade Clement or Balentien along with Jones, they don't have enough IMO.

The Reds certainly have enough and may be willing.

But then who else? What other teams are going to step up???

Angels? Arizona? Colorado???

[srh523]

The problem is, with LA likely getting Kuroda, they are out of it.

If the M's don't want to trade Clement or Balentien along with Jones, they don't have enough IMO.

The Reds certainly have enough and may be willing.

But then who else? What other teams are going to step up???

Angels? Arizona? Colorado???


Why arent we talking about the Indians? They have been strongly rumored to be in on the Haren talks.

[Fan4Life]

Rasmus, Reyes and Duncan?

[Hank Scorpio]

The NL West is a great place to shop. You've got three good young teams (including the Dodgers, here) who Bedard would likely resign with, and three teams who have enough return for us. IMO team success is more important to him than a mild media. It's easy to talk when you're winning.

[DuffMan]

How about Chicago Pizza for Maryland Crab Cakes? Always thinking with my stomach.:D

But that's so lopsided. I mean if you were to give up a quality Maryland crabcake I would expect more back in return! The crab cake is our star player you don't just swap it for the first offer that comes along.

[tywright]

How about Chicago Pizza for Maryland Crab Cakes? Always thinking with my stomach.:D

MD Crab Cake >>>>>> Chicago Pizza

[Peace21]

But that's so lopsided. I mean if you were to give up a quality Maryland crabcake I would expect more back in return! The crab cake is our star player you don't just swap it for the first offer that comes along.

Have you had Chicago Pizza. Im sure Roberts is going to love it.

[WebLink21]

How about Chicago Pizza for Maryland Crab Cakes? Always thinking with my stomach.:D

I hope you win this bet Peace. I will be cheering for you. All we have heard from him is that he KNOWS they wont deal Pie. I would love to see him wrong and you right on this one.

[tywright]

I would love to have Reyes as the third player....Rasmus as player #1....They lack that second player in the package...That's the problem.

Bryan Anderson could work. Flip him to TB for Brignac. And they also have Chris Perez, who is a top relief prospect.

[davearm]

How about Chicago Pizza for Maryland Crab Cakes? Always thinking with my stomach.:D
Sounds great. So here it is.

If Roberts goes to the Cubbies, and Pie stays, then Crab Cakes for me.

If Roberts goes to the Cubbies, and Pie goes back, then deep-dish pizza for you.

[miketheman0815]

I must be missing something on Rasmus how can he be compared to Bruce or Jones when he is only in A ball....I dont like him as a main piece for Bedard hes so far away and far from a sure thing


NVM I was looking at old stats he was in AA last year and dominated he is a great pice but not enough

[Peace21]

Sounds great. So here it is.

If Roberts goes to the Cubbies, and Pie stays, then Crab Cakes for me.

If Roberts goes to the Cubbies, and Pie goes back, then deep-dish pizza for you.

Awesome..I have an advantage

[davearm]

Awesome..I have an advantage
I was thinking about going back to count how many times you told us that Pie was going to be traded for Tejada, but I don't want to waste the weekend. ;)

[Mackus]

I must be missing something on Rasmus how can he be compared to Bruce or Jones when he is only in A ball....I dont like him as a main piece for Bedard hes so far away and far from a sure thingRasmus was in AA this year, so yeah, you are missing a little something. Rasmus isn't as good as Bruce, but he is comparable (although still slightly behind) Jones.

[jaygdevil11]

Any news on Prior? I want him baaaaaaaad. I wonder what teams he is talking to. I know all the resigning issues with him but I think it is worth the chance. He would have no pressure here and no bartman.

[Pedro Cerrano]

MD Crab Cake >>>>>> Chicago Pizza

I dunno man, I went to Chicago in August and had some deep-dish and...let's just say....wow.

[Mackus]

Best of both worlds:

The Crab Pie from Matthews!

[Sports Guy]

Bryan Anderson could work. Flip him to TB for Brignac. And they also have Chris Perez, who is a top relief prospect.

But he is just that, a relief prospect. As a third or 4th player in a deal, that would be fine. But he isn't the second player in a deal.

If Anderson can be slipped for Brignac, fine...But I want to know that before making the deal.

[JakeeO]

But that's so lopsided. I mean if you were to give up a quality Maryland crabcake I would expect more back in return! The crab cake is our star player you don't just swap it for the first offer that comes along.

DUDE... Have you ever had a real Chicago deep dish pizza? This isn't the thick crusted crap you get at your local pizzaria. This is a flaky crust that makes the shell for what essentially amounts to a cheese and tomato sauce pie.... They take 45 minutes to bake, and longer to eat because they are so rich...

All naysayers on the Chicago deep dish pizza are lucky I didn't negative rep point them for the heresy.

And I am from Baltimore...

[DuffMan]

Have you had Chicago Pizza. Im sure Roberts is going to love it.

http://www.gandmcrabcakes.com/

Try one of those if you get the chance. I think that may sway your decision.

[GoOs3]

I'm still in la la land (pun not intended) and hoping for an outfield three of Kemp/Pie/Markakis.

That would just be ridiculously fun to watch.

[El Gordo]

Sounds great. So here it is.

If Roberts goes to the Cubbies, and Pie stays, then Crab Cakes for me.

If Roberts goes to the Cubbies, and Pie goes back, then deep-dish pizza for you.I think a little cash should come back with that deep dish Pizza.:D

[Knife_Dixon]

http://www.gandmcrabcakes.com/

Try one of those if you get the chance. I think that may sway your decision.

Ifyou go there you should get the crab stuffed oysters. Its basically 6 oysters in the shell with a good sized crabcake on top. Money well spent.

As a sleeper crabcake you should check out The Olive Branch in Pikesville. Its attached to a Ramada Inn, oddly enough, but their crabcakes are amazing.

[Birds08]

Ifyou go there you should get the crab stuffed oysters. Its basically 6 oysters in the shell with a good sized crabcake on top. Money well spent.

As a sleeper crabcake you should check out The Olive Branch in Pikesville. Its attached to a Ramada Inn, oddly enough, but their crabcakes are amazing.

Wow. Surprised that was brought up. I agree, Olive Branch has the best crab cakes I've ever had. And the never ending salad that comes with it is also incredible.

[ChaosLex]

No love for Romano's in Glen Burnie? Romano's has the best crab cakes around.

[Dipper9]

No love for Romano's in Glen Burnie? Romano's has the best crab cakes around.

I would love to get back to the trade talk, but since this baby has been derailed, I'll go with By the Docks for best crabcake around.

[glenn__davis]

Sounds great. So here it is.

If Roberts goes to the Cubbies, and Pie stays, then Crab Cakes for me.

If Roberts goes to the Cubbies, and Pie goes back, then deep-dish pizza for you.

Yeah, I think this bet will be a wash. I'm starting to seriously doubt that Roberts will be traded.

[Peace21]

I would love to get back to the trade talk, but since this baby has been derailed, I'll go with By the Docks for best crabcake around.

It is trade talk we are comparing Pie to Roberts.

[Knife_Dixon]

I would love to get back to the trade talk, but since this baby has been derailed, I'll go with By the Docks for best crabcake around.

I would also love to get back to that, but we have another thread going now where bigbird says Roberts is staying and Peace says Roberts is still going after the dust settles. So I don't know, maybe we should let them duke it out.

[JTrea81]

So Peace do you think Bedard goes before Roberts then?

[Peace21]

So Peace do you think Bedard goes before Roberts then?

Yeah, I think the Roberts sting will take time to digest.

[Sports Guy]

It is trade talk we are comparing Pie to Roberts.

Any thought on BB saying he is hearing BRob will stay?

[Peace21]

Any thought on BB saying he is hearing BRob will stay?

Im hearing Hendry wants him badly still. But again, lets wait a week. It would look odd if they traded Roberts today or this weekend, after yesterday's events.

[Birds08]

Im hearing Hendry wants him badly still. But again, lets wait a week. It would look odd if they traded Roberts today or this weekend, after yesterday's events.

To be honest, I really don't think it would. But maybe thats just wishful thinking. I think they definitely have to trade Bedard first though, regardless of whether they can move Roberts now.

[JTrea81]

Im hearing Hendry wants him badly still. But again, lets wait a week. It would look odd if they traded Roberts today or this weekend, after yesterday's events.

My guess is Hendry was the NL exec that made those comments about Roberts' trade value...

[GoOs3]

My guess is Hendry was the NL exec that made those comments about Roberts' trade value...

Sorry for coming to the party late but, what comments? And thanks.

[nyjimbo]

I feel Peace is right on that it would look weird if Roberts was dealt so soon after report came out. My best guess is after the 1st of the year.

[Sports Guy]

Im hearing Hendry wants him badly still. But again, lets wait a week. It would look odd if they traded Roberts today or this weekend, after yesterday's events.

I am not sure it would any stranger than the Stros trading for Tejada the day before.

However, if we have to wait a week for it to die down some, then that's ok.

We have plenty of Cubs fans on here right now....I haven't gotten the impression from any of them that they would have any backlash towards the Cubs organization if they traded for BRob.

[Dipper9]

I am not sure it would any stranger than the Stros trading for Tejada the day before.

However, if we have to wait a week for it to die down some, then that's ok.

We have plenty of Cubs fans on here right now....I haven't gotten the impression from any of them that they would have any backlash towards the Cubs organization if they traded for BRob.

IMO, if KC will give Jose Guillen a 3 year deal KNOWING he was gonna start the year on a 50 game suspension, then there is nothing in this report that will keep Roberts or anyone else from being looked down upon by anyone in the sport. The fans and media are the ones making a big deal over this, NOT the people inside of baseball.

[JTrea81]

Sorry for coming to the party late but, what comments? And thanks.

These comments:

One National League executive, who requested anonymity, said that Roberts' brief mention in the report doesn't necessarily preclude the Orioles from trading him. But it will prompt the parties involved to exercise extra caution.

"Is Brian Roberts going to get traded tomorrow? No,'' the official said. "Would a team with interest in him go ahead without checking on this? No. But you also have to see what Baltimore's position is on the whole thing. Everything is up for review right now.''

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=3154064

This has got to be Hendry, he knows the O's won't trade him the day after the Mitchell Report because of how that would look, however he didn't say that there wouldn't be a trade in a few days or next week... ;)

[Hank Scorpio]

IMO, if KC will give Jose Guillen a 3 year deal KNOWING he was gonna start the year on a 50 game suspension, then there is nothing in this report that will keep Roberts or anyone else from being looked down upon by anyone in the sport. The fans and media are the ones making a big deal over this, NOT the people inside of baseball.

Exactly.

Do you really think Ed Wade didn't know Tejada was going to be on the Mitchell Report? Of course he did. His job is to improve his team, period.

[NJOriolesFan]

How about this for a deal?

Erik Bedard to Milwaukee for J.J. Hardy, and Manny Parra? Maybe we include Roberts and make it Bedard and Roberts for Hardy, Gallardo, Weeks and Parra.

Billy Hall could move back to shortstop and Bedard replaces Parra.

We get another high quality Left Handed Starting pitcher and our shortstop of the future and current. Am I asking for too much or not enough?


C-Hernandez
1b-Huff
2b-Weeks
ss-Hardy
3b-Mora
lf-Scott
cf-Payton/Redman
rf-Markakis
dh-Moore/Millar/Gibbons/Payton

We have Weiters and Reimold on the horizon for C and DH.

We can trade Ramon, Huff, Mora, Millar, Payton and try to get a quality 1st baseman and centerfielder. We can also use pitching surplus to get a CF.

[Knife_Dixon]

How about this for a deal?

Erik Bedard to Milwaukee for J.J. Hardy, and Manny Parra? Maybe we include Roberts and make it Bedard and Roberts for Hardy, Gallardo, Weeks and Parra.

Billy Hall could move back to shortstop and Bedard replaces Parra.

We get another high quality Left Handed Starting pitcher and our shortstop of the future and current. Am I asking for too much or not enough?


C-Hernandez
1b-Huff
2b-Weeks
ss-Hardy
3b-Mora
lf-Scott
cf-Payton/Redman
rf-Markakis
dh-Moore/Millar/Gibbons/Payton

We have Weiters and Reimold on the horizon for C and DH.

We can trade Ramon, Huff, Mora, Millar, Payton and try to get a quality 1st baseman and centerfielder. We can also use pitching surplus to get a CF.


No thanks, Hardy isnt nearly as good as he looks on the surface.

[IamSpartacus]

Thought I would see what the "other half" is saying about the trade. It was very enlightening but slightly dull:

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=260#s=260&f=1167&t=1638096

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=260#s=260&f=1167&t=1575177

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=260#s=260&f=1167&t=1641273

They seem to be high on Murton and down on Pie. They also seem to be ambivalent about Roberts. The most interesting tid-bit is a potential Roberts/Bedard deal.

Enjoy.

[Elon Os Fan]

Best of both worlds:

The Crab Pie from Matthews!

Oh sooo delish!!!!

[CrimsonTribe]

IMO, if KC will give Jose Guillen a 3 year deal KNOWING he was gonna start the year on a 50 game suspension, then there is nothing in this report that will keep Roberts or anyone else from being looked down upon by anyone in the sport. The fans and media are the ones making a big deal over this, NOT the people inside of baseball.

Guillen got a 15 day suspension. But the point remains essentially the same.

[Frobby]

I would say that, if anything, the stuff about Roberts in the report was less than what might have been feared. If I was a GM who had wanted Roberts on Wednesday, I'd actually be relieved today.

[clarence]

"For the moment, at least, right-hander Brandon Morrow has the inside track on being in the rotation. But reports out of Baltimore say the Mariners and Orioles are still involved in trade talks that would send left-hander Erik Bedard to Seattle for Morrow and outfielders Adam Jones and Wladimir Balentien.

But if the Mariners lose out on Kuroda, the Orioles might seek even more for Bedard. So far, the Mariners have refused to include either Jeff Clement or Morrow in a trade for the top-of-the-rotation lefty. " from mariners.com


Jones AND Balentien would solve a lot of problems for a lot of years. Could we get two pitchers a little lower of the scale instead of Morrow and make this work.

[glenn__davis]

Thought I would see what the "other half" is saying about the trade. It was very enlightening but slightly dull:

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=260#s=260&f=1167&t=1638096

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=260#s=260&f=1167&t=1575177

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=260#s=260&f=1167&t=1641273

They seem to be high on Murton and down on Pie. They also seem to be ambivalent about Roberts. The most interesting tid-bit is a potential Roberts/Bedard deal.

Enjoy.


Thanks for posting, Spartacus. They seem to be some pretty intelligent fans over there.

The one thing I will say is that they offered some pretty weak packages for Bedard. I don't think a lot of fans of other teams realize just how good he is.

[amateurfan]

Thought I would see what the "other half" is saying about the trade. It was very enlightening but slightly dull:

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=260#s=260&f=1167&t=1638096

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=260#s=260&f=1167&t=1575177

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=260#s=260&f=1167&t=1641273

They seem to be high on Murton and down on Pie. They also seem to be ambivalent about Roberts. The most interesting tid-bit is a potential Roberts/Bedard deal.

Enjoy.

Thanks for posting these. I read through the entire first one. I thought that they had some flaws in assessing Roberts stats and Bedard's projections. Roberts tailed hard at the end of the season. His stats were much better before the 30-1. That has to be considered. So too does the protection Roberts would have in a Cubs line-up. He would flourish there.
As for Bedard, the difference between a 3.5 nl era and a 3.8 al east era with no bullpen is huge. Bedard is far better than Hill or Zambrano. Nevertheless, interesting, again, to read other fans and their ideas. One person suggested E Patterson for Roberts straight up.

[davearm]

I am not sure it would any stranger than the Stros trading for Tejada the day before.

However, if we have to wait a week for it to die down some, then that's ok.

We have plenty of Cubs fans on here right now....I haven't gotten the impression from any of them that they would have any backlash towards the Cubs organization if they traded for BRob.
Perhaps Hendry is feeling left out of the fun since no current Cubs were named in the report?

[Mackus]

Jones AND Balentien would solve a lot of problems for a lot of years. Could we get two pitchers a little lower of the scale instead of Morrow and make this work.Jones, Balentien, and Morrow is a great offer. Don't know if I like that better than Cueto, Votto, and Hamilton, but either would be a very good package for Bedard.

[davearm]

These comments:

One National League executive, who requested anonymity, said that Roberts' brief mention in the report doesn't necessarily preclude the Orioles from trading him. But it will prompt the parties involved to exercise extra caution.

"Is Brian Roberts going to get traded tomorrow? No,'' the official said. "Would a team with interest in him go ahead without checking on this? No. But you also have to see what Baltimore's position is on the whole thing. Everything is up for review right now.''

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=3154064

This has got to be Hendry, he knows the O's won't trade him the day after the Mitchell Report because of how that would look, however he didn't say that there wouldn't be a trade in a few days or next week... ;)
That doesn't sound anything like Hendry.

For one thing, if he had his way, Roberts absolutely would get traded tomorrow. Today, preferrably.

And for another, Hendry isn't one to play games like this. He's got a well-earned reputation in the industry as a standup, straight shooter.

And for yet another, Hendry and MacPhail are friends.

[davearm]

I would say that, if anything, the stuff about Roberts in the report was less than what might have been feared. If I was a GM who had wanted Roberts on Wednesday, I'd actually be relieved today.
This is very true.

With the Grimsley stuff having already been out there, this had the potential to be far uglier for Roberts.

[Mackus]

This is very true.

With the Grimsley stuff having already been out there, this had the potential to be far uglier for Roberts.I'll also admit to thinking there would be much worse things about Roberts, and that was before I knew Bigbie was one of the sources. I'm very relieved that Roberts wasn't more involved. I really don't think this will hurt his trade value at all, it just might delay a trade for a few days so things can settle down a bit.

[olehippi]

I'm still not fully in the trade Roberts camp.....and yes, I know he can return a couple of very good players despite the wacked out Mitchell Report. I'd just like for the FO to make the Bedard trade first and see if that, along with the Tejada trade and some FA signing, fills most of the present holes, and potential holes in the near future. Admittedly, this desire is the result of liking Roberts both as a player, and for what he does in the community. If we don't trade him, my gut feeling is he will sign to stay here.

[Stacey]

If we don't trade him, my gut feeling is he will sign to stay here.

I don't know. When I watched him on Anita Marks last week he said he doesn't want to stay here if Tejada and Bedard are traded. Well he didn't specifically say that, but he said he doesn't want to be the "last man standing" in the case of a rebuild. So we could keep him for a few years and hope he changes his mind, in the meantime making him miserable by trading away all of the other good players, or we can go for this thing 100% and give him up to the highest bidder. I vote for the latter.

[wildbill1978]

I'll also admit to thinking there would be much worse things about Roberts, and that was before I knew Bigbie was one of the sources. I'm very relieved that Roberts wasn't more involved. I really don't think this will hurt his trade value at all, it just might delay a trade for a few days so things can settle down a bit.

The only positive thing I can pull out of all of this is that I really, really hope that all of the O's dirty laundry has been reported...I just can't imagine after all the investigations surrounding our team that there is more to be found...even though some people might consider me foolish for thinking that way. I just hope there are no more "Raffy-gate" type surprises, and we can move past this once and for all.

I personally was pretty surprised that Roberts got mentioned even though there were rumors before...and though I am all for rebuilding the team I am still hoping that he will stick around for the long term, and be a fixture on this team when we start truly competing in our division (hopefully sooner than later!)

[Rocky1983]

If Pie is really off limits, then I go after Murton, Gallagher, Veal, and Patterson for Roberts. Then I try to get Cueto, Votto, Hamilton and Encarnacion from the Reds for Bedard and Scott.


any reason why you and others want to ship Scott off so fast? I think he would be a very good bench/platoon type guy.

[Big Mac]

any reason why you and others want to ship Scott off so fast? I think he would be a very good bench/platoon type guy.

I think he would be a good starting LF, he would have had the highest OPS on our team last year.

[killakeezzy007]

This is my first time posting here, but I figured now that were talking our favorite crab cake hotspots, it's an ideal time to get in on the action. Just went to Romano's the other day, and they're money, but nobody can compare to G & M's in Baltimore Highlands. Just had to throw that in there.

I been reading these posts for the last few weeks, since the O"s are actually doing something I finally approve of (completely rebuilding of course). I think our next step should be to trade Roberts to the Cubs or to whoever else they can get good value for. PIcking up PIe and Gallagher sounds good to me, we have a new CF and another SP. After this happens, we still have alot of options available, especially with all of the SP;s with some potential (to trade) and some bums to still get rid of. But I think its completely necessary to trade Roberts before Bedard. This would put the Mariners and Reds on their heels, imo. We then sit on Bedard for a few weeks and have people wondering whether we're even going to trade him anymore, the free agent market dries up even worse then it is now, and we have even more leverage (hopefully the santana trade is completed too, even though it doesn't affect us that much). ONce some of these teams interested in Bedard start missing out on certain free agents, they realize they need to do something, and get agressive and start offering more. I just think people think we need to trade Bedard more than we really need too. The Orioles are in a position to sit on their demands for a while. Wait for Bruce to become available, more to be offered with JONes, see if the Cards to imagine a way to come up with more than just Rasmus, and see if that "mystery" team makes a push forward. Personally, I don't see how we went from like 11 or 12 teams to just 2 teams that quickly. I know a lot of teams probably couldn't meet our demands, but there's gotta be a few teams out there willing to put up their top 2-3 prospects.

JUst to finish my novel here and throw in my two cents, if we can do the Cubs deal stated above, my first perference for the Bedard trade is the Reds, thats just because I think Bruce will become available, although I have no clue what they will offer with him. HEy, if Maybin can be traded along with some other "untouchables" being in reported deals, I Think bruce can be had too. How about Bedard, OLsen/PEnn for Bruce, Hamilton/EE, a lesser pitching prospect or two. I think we could send the Reds two SP for their staff and who knows, maybe get Votto or Bailey/Cueto in the package with Bruce as well. For all the accolades Bruce has recieved, why in the world, if he's so good, would the Reds have not brought him up towards the end of the year and let him get regular playing time; since he was blowing up the minor leagues. At least, I'm pretty sure they werent in the playoff race all that much and i dont think they called him up, but hey i could be wrong. Sorry for the book, I Just figured Id put in my two cents, take it easy on the bashing, just a virgin here.

[CrimsonTribe]

any reason why you and others want to ship Scott off so fast? I think he would be a very good bench/platoon type guy.

It's not about wanting to ship Scott out. It's about acquiring valuable pieces and if Scott can help do that, then he should be included.

[Mackus]

any reason why you and others want to ship Scott off so fast? I think he would be a very good bench/platoon type guy.He'd be better than a very good bench/platoon type guy. He's an everyday starter out there most likely.

I'd trade him because he's already 29 and he isn't a guy who I'd expect to have a terrible long MLB career. Guys who don't make it to the show until 27 usually don't last for more than a handful of years if that. I'd trade him now while he's still got value rather than get a few cheap years of production our of him when we really don't need it.

I really think a package of Bedard and Scott could net Cueto, Hamilton, Votto, and Encarnacion, which would set us up very nicely.

[Lucky Jim]

He'd be better than a very good bench/platoon type guy. He's an everyday starter out there most likely.

I'd trade him because he's already 29 and he isn't a guy who I'd expect to have a terrible long MLB career. Guys who don't make it to the show until 27 usually don't last for more than a handful of years if that. I'd trade him now while he's still got value rather than get a few cheap years of production our of him when we really don't need it.

I really think a package of Bedard and Scott could net Cueto, Hamilton, Votto, and Encarnacion, which would set us up very nicely.

Yes, very true - but I think it's wrong to use a standard heuristic like that with regard to Scott. He got a late start and so didn't even begin pro ball until he was 24. Wich means he wasn't someone who lingered for seven years in the minors before being called up at 27.

[Peace21]

Remember a midwest team

[Hank Scorpio]

Remember a midwest team

Why so cryptic?

[Big Mac]

Remember a midwest team

Please elaborate. Are there new developments?

[Elon Os Fan]

Remember a midwest team

Chicago Cubs

[Hank Scorpio]

The White Sox?

I hope not!!!!!!

[ChaosLex]

Remember a midwest team

You tease. ;)

[Big Mac]

Reds? Is that considered Midwest?

[Mackus]

Cards is who I'm thinking. I'm sure they'd include Rasmus, who is a great prospect, but I don't think they have enough else to offer us.

[Camden_yardbird]

Remember a midwest team

How about this...AL or NL.

And what do you define as midwest? Pittsburgh to Colorado?

[JTrea81]

It could be the Tigers as well, they seem to be going for it. Bedard would make their rotation absolutely sick. I'm not sure what they have left to trade though...

[srh523]

It could be the Tigers as well, they seem to be going for it. Bedard would make their rotation absolutely sick...


I still think it could be the Indians....

[Mackus]

It could be the Tigers as well, they seem to be going for it. Bedard would make their rotation absolutely sick...No chance. They don't have anybody left to trade.

[Peace21]

It could be the Tigers as well, they seem to be going for it. Bedard would make their rotation absolutely sick...

Sorry, Try again

[BillySmith]

That's gotta be St. Louis, right? Chicago and all those towns near the Great Lakes aren't the midwest. I sure hope it's not KC.

[JTrea81]

How about the Twins? If they are really going for it, Bedard would be quite the addition along with Santana if they kept him as they are looking at doing.

[Peace21]

Small moves help make big moves.

[NJOriolesFan]

Sorry, Try again


I'm thinking Brewers would be very interested especially how close they are to winning the division. I don't know what they would give up that we would want unless they are trading Hardy, Braun and Gallardo/Parra.

[Hank Scorpio]

I feel like we're playing Clue or some sht.

[msporter4]

How about the Brewers? They were close last year to making the playoffs

[Fan4Life]

He'd be better than a very good bench/platoon type guy. He's an everyday starter out there most likely.

I'd trade him because he's already 29 and he isn't a guy who I'd expect to have a terrible long MLB career. Guys who don't make it to the show until 27 usually don't last for more than a handful of years if that. I'd trade him now while he's still got value rather than get a few cheap years of production our of him when we really don't need it.

I really think a package of Bedard and Scott could net Cueto, Hamilton, Votto, and Encarnacion, which would set us up very nicely.

Do you think comments like these provide any insight into whether he is likely to be move in another deal or not?

"We are going to lose offense at short, there's no question about that. But we think we're going to pick up offense in left field when Scott goes out there, at the very least against right-handed pitching,'' MacPhail said. "We think Luke is one of the undervalued assets.''

[Big Mac]

Small moves help make big moves.

Man, you are sure beating around the bush today.

[Peace21]

I feel like we're playing Clue or some sht.

Im still getting more details bro. Im just giving you guys the clues im getting from my guy. Ill have more shortly.

[Lefty0315]

Small moves help make big moves.

I am going to go with KC since they just got Callaspo from the D'Backs.

[Big Mac]

Im still getting more details bro. Im just giving you guys the clues im getting from my guy. Ill have more shortly.

You're the man peace!

[BillySmith]

It could be Toronto. They have interest.

Small moves lead to big moves?

Greg Aquino to St. Louis for ... ?

[JTrea81]

Im still getting more details bro. Im just giving you guys the clues im getting from my guy. Ill have more shortly.

Could this be in relation to all the bullpen guys we are grabbing? Maybe we are dealing Walker and Bradford?

[Mackus]

Do you think comments like these provide any insight into whether he is likely to be move in another deal or not?

"We are going to lose offense at short, there's no question about that. But we think we're going to pick up offense in left field when Scott goes out there, at the very least against right-handed pitching,'' MacPhail said. "We think Luke is one of the undervalued assets.''I don't think its terrible likely they move him, but its what I would be looking to do. I do think its an option MacPhail will explore though. He seems like a "no stone unturned" kinda guy.

[Hank Scorpio]

Im still getting more details bro. Im just giving you guys the clues im getting from my guy. Ill have more shortly.

Oh, I'm not busting your chops Peace. I shoulda stuck one of these in there :D.

[Crazysilver03]

Could this be in relation to all the bullpen guys we are grabbing? Maybe we are dealing Walker and Bradford?

I hope so....

The team that always needs bullpen help is the Reds. The only way I could see us grabbing Bruce is by sending Bedard with Bradford and/or Cherry/Aquino/some other reliever.

[Peace21]

Could this be in relation to all the bullpen guys we are grabbing? Maybe we are dealing Walker and Bradford?

Personal thought- I think these bullpen moves are making the process to cut down the 40 man roster alot easier for other moves.

[Big Mac]

I'm hoping we see a FWIW part 3 soon.

[BillySmith]

My secretary is from Wisconsin. She says everything along the Mississippi, all the way up to Michigan and including Ohio and all those states are the midwest.

[Crazysilver03]

Personal thought- I think these bullpen moves are making the process to cut down the 40 man roster alot easier for other moves.

I dont entirely follow this logic? We can pick up better relievers to let the worse ones go or something?

[dorfmac]

Small moves help make big moves.

Would the small move perhaps be picking up Aquino, in order to trade another bullpen arm along with Bedard? Maybe Bedard and Walker/Bradford for Bruce, Bailey, Votto? The Reds bullpen is not great outside of Cordero, Weathers and Burton. Granted, that's 3 solid bullpen guys, but bullpens could always become more secure and maybe we had to include something else for them to give up Bruce?

[Stevo5278]

Personal thought- I think these bullpen moves are making the process to cut down the 40 man roster alot easier for other moves.

How so? We're adding bullpen guys to the 40 man, not subtracting them (other than Doyne).

[Why Not?]

Small moves help make big moves.

The eagle flies at midnight.

[JTrea81]

How so? We're adding bullpen guys to the 40 man, not subtracting them (other than Doyne).

I think he means with our reliever depth, we can trade our more expensive ones like Walker and Bradford or maybe some of our prospects such as Liz or Hoey to other teams as add-ons in other deals, thereby cutting down the roster. We don't need Walker and Bradford next year because we aren't competing for anything.

[Hank Scorpio]

The eagle flies at midnight.

The wet dog sighs by the fire.

[Stevo5278]

I think he means with our reliever depth, we can trade our more expensive ones like Walker and Bradford or maybe some of our prospects such as Liz or Hoey to other teams in other deals, thereby cutting down the roster.

That makes sense. I'm just a little hesitant to trade our proven middle relievers given the fact that we're already minus a closer and RH setup guy this year. There could be either a lot of surprises or a lot of headaches in the late innings of games this year.

[BillySmith]

bb mentioned in another thread the wealth of relief pitchers that are already here and the need to move some. I'm not sure there is any connection, but the timing is interesting. Out there Bigbird?

[IamSpartacus]

Just a shot in the dark - one of those Cubbie posts said the inside dirt was they were closing in on an AL starting pitcher.

I am wondering if the Cubs trade could have been Super Sized - Bedard&Roberts for Gallagher, Marquis, Pie/Murton and one more - Patterson?

I don't know, I think Bedard and Roberts should return 7 guys and several of them should be the "major league ready" young guys with HUGE upsides - also I'd like to see some position players come our way.

Throw in Payton and we are looking better.

(Question: If Payton is in Left and a batter gets a double or triple, shouldn't it actually be called Defensive Indifference?)

[JTrea81]

That makes sense. I'm just a little hesitant to trade our proven middle relievers given the fact that we're already minus a closer and RH setup guy this year. There could be either a lot of surprises or a lot of headaches in the late innings of games this year.

We aren't competing for anything so if we blow games it's no big deal. Next year is going to be a 100 loss team most likely. I don't think the bullpen can be any worse than it was last year. The goal is to get cheap relief talent out of a bunch of arms. We are stockpiling enough so Bradford and Walker are expendable.

[miketheman0815]

Its the brewers...?

[Stevo5278]

We aren't competing for anything so if we blow games it's no big deal. Next year is going to be a 100 loss team most likely. I don't think the bullpen can be any worse than it was last year. The goal is to get cheap relief talent out of a bunch of arms. We are stockpiling enough so Bradford and Walker are expendable.

Let me be the first to say it...

WHY NOT? in 2008!!!

[Sports Guy]

Wow, KC got Callaspo...Great move for them.

Certainly could see him being moved in a potential Bedard deal.

[UMterp08]

The circus elephant has lost its way.

[J.D.]

Just a shot in the dark - one of those Cubbie posts said the inside dirt was they were closing in on an AL starting pitcher.

I am wondering if the Cubs trade could have been Super Sized - Bedard&Roberts for Gallagher, Marquis, Pie/Murton and one more - Patterson?

I don't know, I think Bedard and Roberts should return 7 guys and several of them should be the "major league ready" young guys with HUGE upsides - also I'd like to see some position players come our way.

Throw in Payton and we are looking better.

(Question: If Payton is in Left and a batter gets a double or triple, shouldn't it actually be called Defensive Indifference?)


That would be a terrible deal. Especially having to take Marquis back.

[J.D.]

Wow, KC got Callaspo...Great move for them.

Certainly could see him being moved in a potential Bedard deal.

Yeah, that seems to have "small moves help make big moves" written all over it.

I'd still rather deal with Cincinnati than with Kansas City, however. Even without Jay Bruce included.

[Rocky1983]

How about the Twins? Glen Perkins P, Chris Parmelee OF/1B, Alexi Casilla 2B/SS, and Kevin Slowey P for Bedard!

[UMterp08]

Just a shot in the dark - one of those Cubbie posts said the inside dirt was they were closing in on an AL starting pitcher.

I am wondering if the Cubs trade could have been Super Sized - Bedard&Roberts for Gallagher, Marquis, Pie/Murton and one more - Patterson?


good one...

[UMterp08]

How about the Twins? Glen Perkins P, Chris Parmelee OF/1B, Alexi Casilla 2B/SS, and Kevin Slowey P for Bedard!

who who who and who?

[Fairfax Bird]

Colorado isn't in the Midwest ... but how about a trade of:

3B Ian Stewart, P Franklin Morales, SS Hector Gomez (.740 OPS in Sally as a 19 year old), SS Chris Nelson?

Would that be enough. I prefer the Dodgers and Reds. Don't like the Mariners deal much. Think the D-Backs and Rockies have some nice prizes.

[Sports Guy]

No chance the Twins have any desire to get Bedard.

They will just turn around and lose him soon.

Perhaps the Royals acquired Callaspo to put him in a Bedard trade or maybe, Callaspo can be moved to third and we can get Alex Gordon(probably not likely..just thinking of possibilties)???

[Rocky1983]

who who who and who?

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/features/262912.html

[tennOsfan]

Surely it's not KC. Unless they've lost their ever-loving minds.

[Lucky Jim]

Just a shot in the dark - one of those Cubbie posts said the inside dirt was they were closing in on an AL starting pitcher.

I am wondering if the Cubs trade could have been Super Sized - Bedard&Roberts for Gallagher, Marquis, Pie/Murton and one more - Patterson?

I don't know, I think Bedard and Roberts should return 7 guys and several of them should be the "major league ready" young guys with HUGE upsides - also I'd like to see some position players come our way.

Throw in Payton and we are looking better.

(Question: If Payton is in Left and a batter gets a double or triple, shouldn't it actually be called Defensive Indifference?)

We're trading Bedard & Roberts for four guys, including Jason Marquis?
I'd hate that trade.

[OsandBohs11]

Just a shot in the dark - one of those Cubbie posts said the inside dirt was they were closing in on an AL starting pitcher.

I am wondering if the Cubs trade could have been Super Sized - Bedard&Roberts for Gallagher, Marquis, Pie/Murton and one more - Patterson?



(Question: If Payton is in Left and a batter gets a double or triple, shouldn't it actually be called Defensive Indifference?)


this is such a joke, the cubs are out of their minds if they think they are going to get bedard for that little. I think Roberts should command Pie and Gallagher, that would mean Marquis and Patterson for Bedard, thats the saddest thign ever, especially cuz marquis is a salary dump. this trade makes me want to vomit.

[Fairfax Bird]

Just a shot in the dark - one of those Cubbie posts said the inside dirt was they were closing in on an AL starting pitcher.

I am wondering if the Cubs trade could have been Super Sized - Bedard&Roberts for Gallagher, Marquis, Pie/Murton and one more - Patterson?



That deal sucks ... you must be a Cubbie fan yourself.

Bedard & Roberts .... hmmm ... Pie + Cedeno + Patterson + Gallagher + Marmol + Murton + Soto ... yep that sounds better.

[UMterp08]

like SG said, the Twins are exactly the last team that would trade for Bedard. They're trying to unload Santana remember?

I could see the Rockies getting into it, but I haven't heard their name at all in any discussions for a SP.

[orioles119]

Surely it's not KC. Unless they've lost their ever-loving minds.
Bedard for Grienke, Butler, Gordon, and Lubanski.

[tennOsfan]

like SG said, the Twins are exactly the last team that would trade for Bedard. They're trying to unload Santana remember?


Unless the Twins think they could sign Bedard for what they offered Santana. But I wouldn't think they'd offer Bedard the same money.

[Sports Guy]

Surely it's not KC. Unless they've lost their ever-loving minds.

Why not?

They have a good offense.

If they added Bedard to Meche, they would have a very good 1-2 punch in the rotation.

At some point, teams need to start winning as opposed to holding onto young guys.

Maybe KC isn't at that point and personally, I think it would be wrong for them to give up 3 top young players for Bedard but if they think they can win and they want to give their fans some reason for hope and they want to sell more tickets and make money, then I don't blame them for this.

[Delbird]

I would think the sleeper team is St. Louis but, if it's KC, what would they have to offer: Callaspo (Roberts replacement), Butler (1B or OF), Gordon (3B), Hochevar (SP), DeJesus (CF)...any from among those for a package?

[dorfmac]

I would think the sleeper team is St. Louis but, if it's KC, what would they have to offer: Callaspo (Roberts replacement), Butler (1B or OF), Gordon (3B), Hochevar (SP), DeJesus (CF)...any from among those for a package?

I'd rather just leave 2B open for now, and get Butler, Gordon and Hochevar/Greinke. Two young, huge bats and a pitcher with ace potential.

[NoVaO]

Maybe Texas since Belkast mentioned them earlier as a surprise team?

They have a lot of talent in their system, but it is a bit further off...

Eric Hurley
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/H/Eric-Hurley.shtml

Chris Davis
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/D/Chris-Davis-4.shtml

Taylor Teagarden
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/T/Taylor-Teagarden.shtml

German Duran
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/D/German-Duran.shtml

Omar Poveda/Edinson Volquez/Kasey Kiker
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/P/Omar-Poveda.shtml
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/V/Edinson-Volquez.shtml
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/K/Kasey-Kiker.shtml

They also have Elvis Andrus, Zach Phillips (SP), and John Whittleman (3b) to deal from.

The Rangers have a ton of depth in which to deal from and 4 or 5 of the players from above could certainly beat out teams that can offer more than 1 or 2 top MLB-ready talent but are refusing to do so.

[Why Not?]

Let me be the first to say it...

WHY NOT? in 2008!!!

High five!

[Camden_yardbird]

My 2 cents:

There have been a few small moves, most notably recently the callaspo trade that happened today.
But the white sox also acquired Quentin in an attempt to put a package together for Cabrera. So that is a possiblity. I don't like the prospect of a Sox trade.
Looking at the callaspo trade they definitely freed something up, and with the signings KC has made it makes me think they want to make an all too foolish run at their division. Arizona is not a midwest team and I don't see them making this move to free up prospects for Bedard. We would almost assurdly be wanting Reynolds back and this move does the exact opposite of free him up.

It could also be a move the Orioles made, I would imagine this rather the case. I would not figure the Orioles would make a bullpen move until all their trades were done knowing they would get pitchers back. Aquino would free up a more reliable starter and we all know the reds love relief pitchers. though peace said it was a new team. So I doubt the reds

[psk3170]

Bedard for Grienke, Butler, Gordon, and Lubanski.

Damn your good. I was thinking the same pieces and add a minor league LH like Lumsden & 2B Callaspo and for O's add Huff (to replace Butler at DH) & their choice Moore/Costanzo as a replacement for Gordon at 3B and you have a great deal for both teams. Moore/Costanzo are the small pieces that Peace may be talking about. We will not miss anyone but Bedard in that deal. Look at Grienke's walk numbers. They are excellent and AM puts value in that.

[davearm]

Bedard for Grienke, Butler, Gordon, and Lubanski.
If you think that's fair, I fear you're in for a major disappointment.

[Pedro Cerrano]

Bedard for Grienke, Butler, Gordon, and Lubanski.

You've lost your mind, sir.

[clapdiddy]

If you think that's fair, I fear you're in for a major disappointment.

Agreed. I don't think there's any way they are going to get those players for just Bedard. They'd actually be pretty dumb to be giving up young guys for a guy who will probably only be there 2 years.

[ChaosLex]

Any deal with the Royals has to start with Shealy.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. :D