Derek Anderson on the Trade Block?

[OriolesFan1991]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3176068

Think the Purple and Black should make a run for him?

[Sports Guy]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3176068

Think the Purple and Black should make a run for him?

I don't....The Browns would be smart to trade him.

Let some team overpay based on one year....Just hope its not us.

[66-70-83-??]

I don't....The Browns would be smart to trade him.

Let some team overpay based on one year....Just hope its not us.

I agree. Hell no, especially considering the Browns will likely want multiple picks and at least one 1st rounder.

I am not sold on him.

The Browns were so confident of his abilities, they named Frye the starter and drafted a franchise QB in the first round. They got lucky and should deal him now for what they can get for him.

[BaltimoreTerp]

I'll give them a sixth-round pick for him

[JohnD]

It'll cost a 1st and a 3rd rounder. He's a restricted FA, they'll sign him for roughly 2 1/2 million, and he'll be under control for another year. Romeo has already flat out said that he's the starter next year. There is no controversy as far as he's concerned.

[Tony-OH]

It'll cost a 1st and a 3rd rounder. He's a restricted FA, they'll sign him for roughly 2 1/2 million, and he'll be under control for another year. Romeo has already flat out said that he's the starter next year. There is no controversy as far as he's concerned.

This is kind of like the Drew Brees/Philip Rivers situation though, right? Eventually they have to give the job to Brady Quinn and they'll either lose Anderson to free Agency or trade him for picks.

[Old#5fan]

I would give them Kyle Boller, and a third round pick for him. They can use Boller as their backup as they love to steal Ravens QBs. Then we would all get to see how good Boller really is with better receivers and OL. I personally think there would be no difference but he could backup Quinn.

[ChaosLex]

I would give them Kyle Boller, and a third round pick for him. They can use Boller as their backup as they love to steal Ravens QBs. Then we would all get to see how good Boller really is with better receivers and OL. I personally think there would be no difference but he could backup Quinn.

I think the Browns would prefer a 1st round pick to Kyle Boller.

[Old#5fan]

I think the Browns would prefer a 1st round pick to Kyle Boller.

I am sure they would. However, I don't give up a first round pick for Anderson, who was a stolen sixth rounder that we had to begin with. If I give up a first round pick (8th) over all I better be getting Brady Quinn not Anderson!

[Miller192]

It'll cost a 1st and a 3rd rounder. He's a restricted FA, they'll sign him for roughly 2 1/2 million, and he'll be under control for another year. Romeo has already flat out said that he's the starter next year. There is no controversy as far as he's concerned.

Exactly. Phil Savage will give him the highest tender, he's not going anywhere.

[JohnD]

Well you had your shot with Anderson to begin with!

Kyle Boller simply doesn't belong on an NFL field. Period. The day Phil Savage takes him coincides with the day he has an unscheduled lobotomy. Boller stinks. You don't have to give up anything for Anderson, but you had him, and now you don't, and now he's worth a lot more. Is he a flash in the pan? Perhaps. I'm not sold on him yet long term either.

And in San Diego, I'd have kept Brees and dumped Rivers. Right now I still lean towards keeping Quinn.

[Miller192]

Well you had your shot with Anderson to begin with!

Kyle Boller simply doesn't belong on an NFL field. Period. The day Phil Savage takes him coincides with the day he has an unscheduled lobotomy. Boller stinks. You don't have to give up anything for Anderson, but you had him, and now you don't, and now he's worth a lot more. Is he a flash in the pan? Perhaps. I'm not sold on him yet long term either.

And in San Diego, I'd have kept Brees and dumped Rivers. Right now I still lean towards keeping Quinn.

I think Andersen looks like a poor man's Roethlisberger right now.

[JohnD]

I think Anderson can start for average teams for a very long time. Hell, if Trent Dilfer and the like can keep getting jobs somewhere, then so can he. Anderson does some things very well, but he also gets away with some mistakes because he's got a great arm and he had guys like Edwards and Winslow make some amazing plays. Other quarterbacks would find it impossible to get away with some of the things he does.

[NewMarketSean]

I wouldn't take Anderson at the cost either. With the way the team is currently made up and the gunslinger mentality he has, he could easily throw 25 INT's here. I really think it's going to come down to 2007 being a fluke year for DA. He was pretty bad down the stretch.

He'll probably be a serviceable QB but he's not going to be the next Tony Romo or anything. And the Browns offense is pretty solid.

[Old#5fan]

Well you had your shot with Anderson to begin with!

Kyle Boller simply doesn't belong on an NFL field. Period. The day Phil Savage takes him coincides with the day he has an unscheduled lobotomy. Boller stinks. You don't have to give up anything for Anderson, but you had him, and now you don't, and now he's worth a lot more. Is he a flash in the pan? Perhaps. I'm not sold on him yet long term either.

And in San Diego, I'd have kept Brees and dumped Rivers. Right now I still lean towards keeping Quinn.

I unequivically agree with this part (bolded) of your post. I was insinuating the trade of Boller and a draft pick for Anderson in a tongue-in-cheek manner only. I disagree with you though on Rivers versus Brees. SD made the right decision. Brees hasn't looked all that good lately.

[Old#5fan]

I think Andersen looks like a poor man's Roethlisberger right now.

Agreed, while Boller looks like a rich man's overpaid Anthony Wright right now!:rolleyes: :eek:

[NewMarketSean]

I unequivically agree with this part (bolded) of your post. I was insinuating the trade of Boller and a draft pick for Anderson in a tongue-in-cheek manner only. I disagree with you though on Rivers versus Brees. SD made the right decision. Brees hasn't looked all that good lately.

I would think that a man with as much football-watching experience as you would see that Brees played pretty much out of this world despite his poor start to 2007 and maintained his excellent run of QB play since 2004, reaching a career high mark in TD's and passing yards this year.

Meanwhile Rivers has been slightly above average at best.

Care to defend yourself?

[Old#5fan]

I would think that a man with as much football-watching experience as you would see that Brees played pretty much out of this world despite his poor start to 2007 and maintained his excellent run of QB play since 2004, reaching a career high mark in TD's and passing yards this year.

Meanwhile Rivers has been slightly above average at best.

Care to defend yourself?

He sure looked like crap the games I watched him as in the season opener and his last game against the Bears. I don't go merely by stats like some of you Fantasy League people do, I go by watching a QB especially in big games. Bree's doesn't impress me all that much. In big games he always seems to be a disappointment. Also, the Saints themselves were hugely disappointing this season while SD is back in the Lombardi hunt after a slow start. Rivers is still a young QB with a big upside. I think he could be the real deal. However, just like Brees he needs to show he can win the big game. Until he does he is just a guy with potential.

[Hank Scorpio]

I'm not surprised by this whatsoever. If DA is their starter come the end of training camp, I'd be shocked.

[NewMarketSean]

He sure looked like crap the games I watched him as in the season opener and his last game against the Bears. I don't go merely by stats like some of you Fantasy League people do, I go by watching a QB especially in big games. Bree's doesn't impress me all that much. In big games he always seems to be a disappointment. Also, the Saints themselves were hugely disappointing this season while SD is back in the Lombardi hunt after a slow start. Rivers is still a young QB with a big upside. I think he could be the real deal. However, just like Brees he needs to show he can win the big game. Until he does he is just a guy with potential.

So you're basing your opinion of Brees off of 2 games? What if you saw him in week 8 when he threw 4 TD's? Or week 9 when he threw 3 TD's against the Jaguars? Would your opinion be any different? And just because I mention stats, which are the best indicator of the quality of a player I am some fantasy guy?

You never cease to amaze me. You were getting better... key word "were".

[birdsfan4ever]

He sure looked like crap the games I watched him as in the season opener and his last game against the Bears. I don't go merely by stats like some of you Fantasy League people do, I go by watching a QB especially in big games. Bree's doesn't impress me all that much. In big games he always seems to be a disappointment. Also, the Saints themselves were hugely disappointing this season while SD is back in the Lombardi hunt after a slow start. Rivers is still a young QB with a big upside. I think he could be the real deal. However, just like Brees he needs to show he can win the big game. Until he does he is just a guy with potential.

Unless you watch every game you have to go by both stats and what you see. Brees is one of the better QBs in the league. The Chargers arent in the playoffs because of Rivers, they won a lot of their games this year despite Rivers. It helps a lot to have a guy named Tomlinson on your team.

I saw your other post saying Boller isnt even good enough to be in the NFL, that is pretty crazy as well, if that were true more than half the QBs in the league arent good enough either.

[backwardsk]

He sure looked like crap the games I watched him as in the season opener and his last game against the Bears. I don't go merely by stats like some of you Fantasy League people do, I go by watching a QB especially in big games. Bree's doesn't impress me all that much. In big games he always seems to be a disappointment. Also, the Saints themselves were hugely disappointing this season while SD is back in the Lombardi hunt after a slow start. Rivers is still a young QB with a big upside. I think he could be the real deal. However, just like Brees he needs to show he can win the big game. Until he does he is just a guy with potential.

Did you see the Christmas Eve game against the Broncos? Would you still want Rivers as the "leader" of your team? San Diego is where they are because of the best running game in the league, and a good/opportunistic defense. I'd like to see how Brees would do in that offense when the opposing defense would have to game plan around Tomlinson and not the mighty combination of Aaron Stecker/Pierre Thomas.

By the way, I'm not knocking the Charger's choice to keep Rivers over Brees. I'd do the same in their situation. The Chargers have done really well relating to the draft (see passing on Vick and getting Brees and Tomlinson). I just don't think Brees "looks like crap" after he's completed the most passes in one season by anyone who has ever played in the NFL.

Oh, and for the topic, Anderson will be in Cleveland next year, unless the Vikings make a big offer for him (i.e. a 1st rounder).

[Tony-OH]

Well you had your shot with Anderson to begin with!

Kyle Boller simply doesn't belong on an NFL field. Period. The day Phil Savage takes him coincides with the day he has an unscheduled lobotomy. Boller stinks. You don't have to give up anything for Anderson, but you had him, and now you don't, and now he's worth a lot more. Is he a flash in the pan? Perhaps. I'm not sold on him yet long term either.

And in San Diego, I'd have kept Brees and dumped Rivers. Right now I still lean towards keeping Quinn.

That's because you hated him when he was at NC state. :)

[Old#5fan]

So you're basing your opinion of Brees off of 2 games? What if you saw him in week 8 when he threw 4 TD's? Or week 9 when he threw 3 TD's against the Jaguars? Would your opinion be any different? And just because I mention stats, which are the best indicator of the quality of a player I am some fantasy guy?

You never cease to amaze me. You were getting better... key word "were".

You never cease to amaze me either as in the huff you seem to get yourself in over nothing more than me stating I think the Chargers made the right move in keeping Rivers over Brees! Can't we just disagree without you making this into some kind of major deal? I don't particularly care for Brees. I think he is overated and can't win a big game. In other words he is a stats's junkie's favorite but I wouldn't want him if I was the GM of a team. That is my view and I am entitled to it just as you are with your profound admiration of the guy. End of story, save yourself from trotting out a bunch of Bree's stats. I am not nor have I ever been enamored with this guy. San Diego made the right move. I think eventually it will be easily seen by all, even you.

[NewMarketSean]

You never cease to amaze me either as in the huff you seem to get yourself in over nothing more than me stating I think the Chargers made the right move in keeping Rivers over Brees! Can't we just disagree without you making this into some kind of major deal? I don't particularly care for Brees. I think he is overated and can't win a big game. In other words he is a stats's junkie's favorite but I wouldn't want him if I was the GM of a team. That is my view and I am entitled to it just as you are with your profound admiration of the guy.

End of story, save yourself from trotting out a bunch of Bree's stats. I am not nor have I ever been enamored with this guy. San Diego made the right move. I think eventually it will be easily seen by all, even you.

So what if there is a guy who looks poised, good arm, nice accuracy, but just doesn't put up the stats. Would you want him on your team? You do know that better stats = better players, right?

I have never seen a player who "had all the tools" and was never able to put up stats.

As for Brees, I know... it's ALL his fault for not winning the big game. Forget that he's thrown for 916 yards with 5 TD's and 2 INT's in 3 playoff games but is 1-2 in those games. Yep, he's 100% to blame.

And if it seems like I fly off the handle in responding to your posts it's because you continue to make little sense with your "my 40 years of football watching trumps stats" holier than thou attitude when discussing football for the most part.

That said, I apologize. I will try to scale it back.

[birdsfan4ever]

You never cease to amaze me either as in the huff you seem to get yourself in over nothing more than me stating I think the Chargers made the right move in keeping Rivers over Brees! Can't we just disagree without you making this into some kind of major deal? I don't particularly care for Brees. I think he is overated and can't win a big game. In other words he is a stats's junkie's favorite but I wouldn't want him if I was the GM of a team. That is my view and I am entitled to it just as you are with your profound admiration of the guy. End of story, save yourself from trotting out a bunch of Bree's stats. I am not nor have I ever been enamored with this guy. San Diego made the right move. I think eventually it will be easily seen by all, even you.

I guess you would take Trent Dilfer over Drew Brees since he has won a Superbowl and Brees cant win a big game?

[backwardsk]

You never cease to amaze me either as in the huff you seem to get yourself in over nothing more than me stating I think the Chargers made the right move in keeping Rivers over Brees! Can't we just disagree without you making this into some kind of major deal? I don't particularly care for Brees. I think he is overated and can't win a big game. In other words he is a stats's junkie's favorite but I wouldn't want him if I was the GM of a team. That is my view and I am entitled to it just as you are with your profound admiration of the guy. End of story, save yourself from trotting out a bunch of Bree's stats. I am not nor have I ever been enamored with this guy. San Diego made the right move. I think eventually it will be easily seen by all, even you.

I can't remember. What was the move? Did they trade Brees or let him go as a free agent? Did they get picks for him? What players are on the other side of the transaction?

I do remember Brees hurting his throwing shoulder in his last game as a Charger.

[NewMarketSean]

Also, if a player (or anyone in any kind of position, even non sports) does things in a different way, but gets the job done, what does it matter how they go about it?

That is why I just can't comprehend Oldfan's "I don't like Brees" stuff. Same goes for Boller. People complained about his shotput passes and happy feet, but if he ever put up the numbers, would that matter?

As long as someone wins, or produces, it shouldn't matter how they are getting it done.

[Old#5fan]

So what if there is a guy who looks poised, good arm, nice accuracy, but just doesn't put up the stats. Would you want him on your team? You do know that better stats = better players, right?

Who would that be? If a guy has all of that he usually will put up the stats eventually.:confused:

I have never seen a player who "had all the tools" and was never able to put up stats.

Apparently you never saw Kyle Boller than huh?;)

As for Brees, I know... it's ALL his fault for not winning the big game. Forget that he's thrown for 916 yards with 5 TD's and 2 INT's in 3 playoff games but is 1-2 in those games. Yep, he's 100% to blame.

Hey, its just reality! Even Peyton was suspect until he won it all as to being considered a great QB as was Elway. To be considered great or the best you normally have to show it most when it counts the most.

And if it seems like I fly off the handle in responding to your posts it's because you continue to make little sense with your "my 40 years of football watching trumps stats" holier than thou attitude when discussing football for the most part.

That said, I apologize. I will try to scale it back.

No need to but just don't get yourself into such a tizzy!

[PDog]

I can't remember. What was the move? Did they trade Brees or let him go as a free agent? Did they get picks for him? What players are on the other side of the transaction?

I do remember Brees hurting his throwing shoulder in his last game as a Charger.

He was a free agent. He wanted to sign with San Diego and the Chargers offered him a very incentive laden contract b/c of his injury so he looked elsewhere and signed with New Orleans.

[Old#5fan]

Also, if a player (or anyone in any kind of position, even non sports) does things in a different way, but gets the job done, what does it matter how they go about it?

That is why I just can't comprehend Oldfan's "I don't like Brees" stuff. Same goes for Boller. People complained about his shotput passes and happy feet, but if he ever put up the numbers, would that matter?

As long as someone wins, or produces, it shouldn't matter how they are getting it done.

I agree, but in Boller's case all of those flaws you cite that many of us were complaining about were (and are) a major reason why he will never succeed or put up stats as you like to term it. Billy Kilmer when he was the Redskins QB was a prime example. He looked terrible on the field with his pot belly and terrible throwing form, yet he was a winner who led his team to many victories. Sonny Jurgenson, on the other hand was a HOF pure pocket passer whose form and technique were a thing of beauty, and he also was a winner. Both of them got it done, but Sonny put up much better stats because he had more talent and didn't have all the flaws in his game that Kilmer had. Yet somehow, Kilmer still was able to produce wins. I think you should understand the example I give but usually it doesn't work that way.

You need the physical skills or tools to succeed as well as the mental ablity and decision making to go along with it along with the ability to function at an even higher level when in the biggest games of your life. Unitas had it, Montana, Elway, Peyton, Brady, but you need to win the superbowl or at least your fair share of big pressure games to establish that level of eliteness as a QB. Brees hasn't been there or done that yet. I do think he has the physical skills, not sure though about the mental tenacity.

[birdsfan4ever]

So what if there is a guy who looks poised, good arm, nice accuracy, but just doesn't put up the stats. Would you want him on your team? You do know that better stats = better players, right?

Who would that be? If a guy has all of that he usually will put up the stats eventually.

I have never seen a player who "had all the tools" and was never able to put up stats.

Apparently you never saw Kyle Boller than huh?

You say that Boller isnt even good enough to be in the NFL at all yet you are saying he has all the tools and if a guy has all the tools he will put up the stats eventually.

[backwardsk]

He was a free agent. He wanted to sign with San Diego and the Chargers offered him a very incentive laden contract b/c of his injury so he looked elsewhere and signed with New Orleans.

Thanks. I've been looking that up since my last post. But I haven't found anything about compensation picks. Did the Chargers receive any for him? If so do you know what they were?

[Old#5fan]

You say that Boller isnt even good enough to be in the NFL at all yet you are saying he has all the tools and if a guy has all the tools he will put up the stats eventually.

Boller definitely has the physical tools, size, arm strength and footspeed, but lacks the essential intangibles such as poise, mechanics, decision making ability and ability to improvise.

So let me clarify, Boller has all the "physical tools" to succeed but lacks other abilities (not normally considered tools) but intangibles that are essential.

[NewMarketSean]

No need to but just don't get yourself into such a tizzy!

Kyle Boller doesn't have all the tools though. He doesn't have the poise or the accuracy needed to "put it all together."

So Marino isn't a great QB because he never won the SB even though he formerly had the record for passing yards and TD's?

[NewMarketSean]

I agree, but in Boller's case all of those flaws you cite that many of us were complaining about were (and are) a major reason why he will never succeed or put up stats as you like to term it. Billy Kilmer when he was the Redskins QB was a prime example. He looked terrible on the field with his pot belly and terrible throwing form, yet he was a winner who led his team to many victories. Sonny Jurgenson, on the other hand was a HOF pure pocket passer whose form and technique were a thing of beauty, and he also was a winner. Both of them got it done, but Sonny put up much better stats because he had more talent and didn't have all the flaws in his game that Kilmer had. Yet somehow, Kilmer still was able to produce wins. I think you should understand the example I give but usually it doesn't work that way.

You need the physical skills or tools to succeed as well as the mental ablity and decision making to go along with it along with the ability to function at an even higher level when in the biggest games of your life. Unitas had it, Montana, Elway, Peyton, Brady, but you need to win the superbowl or at least your fair share of big pressure games to establish that level of eliteness as a QB. Brees hasn't been there or done that yet. I do think he has the physical skills, not sure though about the mental tenacity.

I still believe that Boller would be much better with a better supporting cast and play-calling system. A player can only go as far as others will allow him.

[PDog]

Thanks. I've been looking that up since my last post. But I haven't found anything about compensation picks. Did the Chargers receive any for him? If so do you know what they were?

The Chargers got the following compensatory picks in the 07 draft:

3 33-96
5 35-172

I assume the 3rd rounder is for Brees since they lost Drew Brees, Reche Caldwell, Ben Leber, Justin Peelle and signed Marlon McCree and Aaron Shea so it evened out to 2 picks.

They took Anthony Waters, LB from Clemson with the 3rd round pick and Legedu Naanee, WR from Boise State with the 5th rounder.

[backwardsk]

The Chargers got the following compensatory picks in the 07 draft:

3 33-96
5 35-172

I assume the 3rd rounder is for Brees since they lost Drew Brees, Reche Caldwell, Ben Leber, Justin Peelle and signed Marlon McCree and Aaron Shea so it evened out to 2 picks.

They took Anthony Waters, LB from Clemson with the 3rd round pick and Legedu Naanee, WR from Boise State with the 5th rounder.

Awesome. Thanks for finding this.