View Full Version : Zorn New Skins' O-Coordinator
bryanman8
01-25-2008, 07:28 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3214785
Danny's taking cues from Jerry, it seems. I don't have a huge problem with this. Apparently Williams and Fassel both like Zorn a lot so either one would be fine with him, and I guess this had to be done now to keep Zorn from re-signing with Seattle to be their future O-Coordinator when Holmgren leaves. I don't get why we're waiting on the HC since neither McDaniels or Spagnuolo(sp?) are going to come here so it'd be much better to just give one of those two the job and then fill out the rest of the staff. I still vote go continuity with Gregg.
Zorn has helped develop Hasselback into one of the best in the game and should be good for Jason Campbell. His development is really of the most crucial importance to the Skins. Zorn's a very innovative thinker and has many unique methods for coaching QB's so I like the experience he brings for Jason. I'm just not sure about making him develop his own whole playbook now and us now taking Al's offense, which Jason has spent the last two years learning, away from him. Saunders, by the way, has been told to seek work elsewhere.
bryanman8
01-25-2008, 11:46 PM
Also, I'll just make this the Skins news thread for any that care. Gregg Williams is apparently out of the running for HC:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3215121
What a joke. I bet the "philosophical difference" was that Gregg was frank and told them they needed a GM and he couldn't deal with Vinny. Now I guess it's down to Fassel, Meeks, and maybe the two coveted Super Bowl assistants. Pray for Cowher, at this point. Wouldn't be surprised to see Danny make Cowher the first $10 million coach.
All signs point to Fassel right now though. They'll be without a defensive coordinator atm though.
Mad Mark
01-26-2008, 10:01 AM
Is there now any question that the state of Maryland should declare eminent domain on the Redskins, and seize them from Dan Snyder? The only thing left for him to do is tattoo "I'm a moron" on his forehead, and "but I'm richer than you'll ever be" on his ass, and run through the streets of Washington naked.
The man makes Peter Angelos look like a baseball genius.
Dr. FLK
01-26-2008, 11:31 AM
So, Snyder preached continuity. And, boy did he ever follow through! Out goes the offensive coordinator. In comes a new one with a COMPLETELY different system. You can expect a pass-heavy west coast offense from him. Now, I can't say I was all that thrilled with Saunders in his 4 years. But, don't preach continuity and then do this. Snyder grows more and more repulsive with each passing year. I don't know who I want as coach. And, I can't say I blame him for not loving Gregg Williams and Saunders. It's just that these situations are handled so incredibly poorly. Hopefully he finds the "right" guy. It seems tough to find that guy when you already have an o-coord in place. I'd guess that the best you can do is find a stop gap, washed up coach no one else wants like Wade Phillips. Way to go Danny Boy...
BaltimoreTerp
01-26-2008, 11:49 AM
Is there now any question that the state of Maryland should declare eminent domain on the Redskins, and seize them from Dan Snyder? The only thing left for him to do is tattoo "I'm a moron" on his forehead, and "but I'm richer than you'll ever be" on his ass, and run through the streets of Washington naked.
The man makes Peter Angelos look like a baseball genius.
They should force him to move that whole stadium to DC or Virginia, and refund all the money spent by the state on capitol improvements.
But that's just the Ravens fan in me ;)
Dr. FLK
01-26-2008, 03:17 PM
According to Comcast Sports Net, Saunders and Williams have been released by the Skins. Blache has been named the D-Coord. And, a head coach will not be named until after the SB. You have to love the completely backwards process.
AgentOrange
01-26-2008, 03:40 PM
According to Comcast Sports Net, Saunders and Williams have been released by the Skins. Blache has been named the D-Coord. And, a head coach will not be named until after the SB. You have to love the completely backwards process.
Wow. Why do the Skins continue to make boneheaded moves. I mean all I have heard from the players and coaches has been "We want Williams". And he gets dismissed for consideration. Not only that, but he is out of a job with the Skins.
Is this Vinnie's doing? I mean he has to be hated for his decisions more than Angelos.
Not too happy with what they're doing, but I don't think it's nearly as bad some are making it out to be.
Wow. Why do the Skins continue to make boneheaded moves. I mean all I have heard from the players and coaches has been "We want Williams". And he gets dismissed for consideration. Not only that, but he is out of a job with the Skins.
Is this Vinnie's doing? I mean he has to be hated for his decisions more than Angelos.
Well weren't the Ravens players saying "We want Ryan?"
AgentOrange
01-26-2008, 04:59 PM
Well weren't the Ravens players saying "We want Ryan?"
Um, some of them. Not the way your Skins were chanting on the Williams bandwagon every chance they got. And last time I checked, Ryan is still DC. ;)
Um, some of them. Not the way your Skins were chanting on the Williams bandwagon every chance they got. And last time I checked, Ryan is still DC. ;)
Yes, but they wanted him as the HC, and there was/is no guarantee he'll stay on as DC. I doubt Williams would have stayed on as DC after being passed up on for the HC job. I didn't notice a difference in level of want from the players either.
AgentOrange
01-26-2008, 05:56 PM
Yes, but they wanted him as the HC, and there was/is no guarantee he'll stay on as DC. I doubt Williams would have stayed on as DC after being passed up on for the HC job. I didn't notice a difference in level of want from the players either.
Maybe because you weren't paying attention. Every single interview had a player openly talking about how they want G. Williams as the HC. Hell, even Gary Clark stated that it was a must to have Williams as the head coach.
Nothing close to that was coming from the Ravens side.
Not to mention, we can still retain him and it has been mentioned, several times, that he wants to be a Raven and the Ravens want to have him.
Seems a bit different to me.
Mad Mark
01-26-2008, 07:48 PM
Dan Snyder is a moron...no, sorry...Dan Snyder would have to get smarter to be a moron. No wonder Joe Gibbs looks like a giant boil has been removed from his ass! :mad:
AgentOrange
01-26-2008, 07:49 PM
Ok, thanks.
No problem.
RenegadeOsFan
01-27-2008, 12:04 AM
I think the Skin's fans on the OH should put a poll together as to who their next HC is going to be of either Steve Spagnuolo (DC for Giants) or Josh McDaniels (OC for Patriots). I'm calling this...Snyder's plan is to make a "splash" with this idea:
Whoever's team wins the Super Bowl, that coach (from the ones listed) will be thrown a bunch of money and offered the HC position by Snyder.
All signs are pointing to Snyder hiring a young, no experience head coach. That is why he hired the OC and DC for the team himself, without any intake by the HC he'll hire.
But if I had to guess which of the two will be offered the HC job...I'd have to say Spagnuolo.
bryanman8
01-27-2008, 12:12 AM
I'd say the odds of McDaniels are slim to none. Nevermind the fact that he's already said he's not interested in becoming a HC yet. His speciality is offensive playcalling and we've already just hired a new offensive playcaller. I don't think "all signs" point to Snyder hiring a young, inexperienced coach at all considering he was about to hire Fassel until I guess the extremely negative fan reaction or something else changed his mind at the last second. In fact, I envision the HC being someone like Fassel or Cowher--Snyder is going to be afraid of young experiments since the Spurrier disaster and needs a tenured coach that can convince him to let him do his thing. McDaniels is incredibly young and I don't think hed be able to convince Snyder of that.
Here's my list:
1. Spagnuolo
2. Jim Schwartz
3. Jim Fassel
4. Ron Meeks
5. Josh McDaniels
6. Bill Cowher
I think, like you, it's a defensive guy, since, again, they just hired an OC and, although they promoted Blache do DC and he's very good as well, he was apparently contemplating retirement and is a pretty old guy already. I think Schwartz is a sleeper candidate. The Titans are interviewing GW suggesting they're prepared to move on without Schwartz, he's a local guy and oddly was the first guy Snyder interviewed, and apparently really impressed him and was considered the "frontrunner" at the time. The interest may have cooled since then but if the Super Bowl coaches don't impress and Snyder is afraid of the fans killing him for Fassel, I wouldn't be surprised to hear his name come up again.
I'm really still stunned Gregg's gone though. His loss is HUGE and I really thought he was the perfect fit to succeed Joe and now Snyder's gone and ruined it all. Unbelievable.
backwardsk
01-27-2008, 12:41 AM
My feeling is that it'll be Schwartz. I really wanted Williams, but I'm happy that Blache along with other assistants are staying. I also like that Smith is staying as ST coach.
If they weren't going to go with Williams, I was hoping that they would look at Russ Grimm.
fansince71
01-27-2008, 03:29 AM
The most interesting part of this laughable organization is giving Vinnie the keys:eek: Heres a good story from the Times about the skins with a priceless quote from an executive from another team.
Earlier this week, when told of Cerrato's promotion, an NFC executive couldn't stop laughing. "It gives the rest of us a better shot," he said. "I'm sure the rest of the NFC East is breathing easier."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080127/SPORTS01/5267540/1005/SPORTS
fansince71
01-27-2008, 04:22 AM
More details about GW's departure, from the Times.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080127/SPORTS01/771101733/1005/SPORTS
Williams, who led the defense to three top-10 seasons in his four seasons with Washington, was the clear choice of the players and the rest of the staff to be Gibbs' heir apparent. However, there was friction between Williams and Snyder during their three meetings. A source said Williams hurt his case by implying he could have done some things better than Gibbs during their four seasons together. That could have prompted Gibbs to not fight as hard as he could have for Williams.
Yea, that i assume cost him the chance to be the next HC. If you believe it happened.
Moose Milligan
01-27-2008, 11:07 AM
So is it too late to switch allegiances and become a Ravens fan?
I've never been as mad at a sports team as I am now with the Redskins.
Dr. FLK
01-27-2008, 11:27 AM
More details about GW's departure, from the Times.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080127/SPORTS01/771101733/1005/SPORTS
Williams, who led the defense to three top-10 seasons in his four seasons with Washington, was the clear choice of the players and the rest of the staff to be Gibbs' heir apparent. However, there was friction between Williams and Snyder during their three meetings. A source said Williams hurt his case by implying he could have done some things better than Gibbs during their four seasons together. That could have prompted Gibbs to not fight as hard as he could have for Williams.
Yea, that i assume cost him the chance to be the next HC. If you believe it happened.
The fact that he didn't get along with Snider makes me want him as HC even more. During an interview, shouldn't you point out what things your predecessor did that you can improve on? The goal of an interview is to show why you're the best man for the job and how you can make the team better. If everything Gibbs did was prefect, I'd say the team would have had better results in the last 4 years. But, Snider is letting his idol-worship of Gibbs get in the way of improving the team. He'll now hire another lap dog HC who won't dare question him or St. Gibbs.
AgentOrange
01-27-2008, 11:40 AM
So is it too late to switch allegiances and become a Ravens fan?
I've never been as mad at a sports team as I am now with the Redskins.
Moose, I will be happy to have you on board! You are a Baltimore Orioles fan, no one will question why you are a Baltimore Ravens fan. ;)
Mad Mark
01-27-2008, 02:36 PM
Unlike Peter Angelos, who is 79, Dan Snyder is only in his mid-forties! Redskins fans have another 30-40 years of this garbage to live through. It almost makes me wish they'd sucked in the eighties, and that both Danny Boy and I had abandoned the team.
Bleah, just bleah. :( :mad: :(
Dr. FLK
01-27-2008, 03:04 PM
This thread is starting to amaze me. All of the same people who have stuck with the Os are now wanting to jump ship with the Skins? The Skins have made the playoffs twice in the last 4 years. Sure, Snyder is a *****. But, the team is in a DRASTICALLY better place than the Os. And, while I'm mad about the process Snyder is using, I can't say I think it's that terrible he let Williams and Saunders go. Williams had a chance as a HC and didn't impress. Saunders didn't do much with the offense here. The only thing about this offseason that I think is terrible is hiring the OC and DC first. If you're going to jump ship over this, you might as well buy a Nats jersey while you're out shopping for your new gear.
bryanman8
01-27-2008, 11:37 PM
The latest?
Ron Meeks interviews again, and Jason La Canfora thinks there's a strong chance Steve Mariucci may be the mystery candidate to come in and steal the job.
My odds:
Fassel- 3:1
Meeks- 4:1
Mariucci- 6:1
Spagnuolo- 9:1
McDaniels- 14:1
Cowher- 25:1
Schwartz (signed an extension with TEN today, odd because they're interviewing Gregg. I guess it was just in case Schwartz left)- 26:1
Billick- 50:1
Pete Carroll- 100:1
Lane Kiffin- 500:1
Dracula
01-28-2008, 10:53 AM
Looks like its gonna be FOSSIL to me. John Clayton said yesterday he thinks Danny boy will name Fassel the HC in about a week. Man, this whole situation is horrendous in so many ways. I've never been this dissapointed in the Redskins before.
Who is the worse owner, Angelos or Snyder?? Two worst owners in sports on my two favorite teams, great...
AgentOrange
01-28-2008, 01:57 PM
Yes, but they wanted him as the HC, and there was/is no guarantee he'll stay on as DC. I doubt Williams would have stayed on as DC after being passed up on for the HC job. I didn't notice a difference in level of want from the players either.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-ryan128,0,4847416.story
BaltimoreTerp
02-09-2008, 07:58 PM
http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/02/09/zorn-to-get-the-skins-gig/
ZORN TO GET THE ‘SKINS GIG?
Posted by Mike Florio on February 9, 2008, 6:54 p.m.
Plenty of league observers believe there’s a mystery candidate for the Redskins’ head-coaching job. Apparently, it’s true. But it’s not someone who’s not currently working for the team.
According to Adam Schefter of NFL Network, new Redskins offensive coordinator Jim Zorn is under serious consideration to become the team’s next head coach.
Schefter reports that owner Dan Snyder’s jet has picked up Zorn and his family and brought them to Washington. Zorn declined comment to Schefter, but Schefter separately has confirmed that the search is zeroing in on Zorn.
Zorn, 55, played for the Seahawks from 1976 through 1984. He spent 1985 with the Packers, 1986 in the CFL, and 1987 with Tampa Bay. He coached at the college level from 1989 through 1996, returned to the Seahawks in 1997, spent three years with the Lions, and then rejoined the Seahawks in 2001.
He has never served as a coordinator — with the exception of the past few weeks.
It’s unclear at this point how Zorn has emerged, and whether if he gets the job another offensive coordinator will be hired.
Might we be changing the title of this thread soon?
bryanman8
02-12-2008, 12:32 PM
Make that Sherman Smith, the Titans' Assistant HC- RB Coach the new offensive coordinator and Zorn, of course, the HC. Zorn is still expected to call the plays; Smith will just help with his immense knowledge of the running game and WCO.
AgentOrange
02-12-2008, 12:33 PM
Make that Sherman Smith, the Titans' Assistant HC- RB Coach the new offensive coordinator and Zorn, of course, the HC. Zorn is still expected to call the plays; Smith will just help with his immense knowledge of the running game and WCO.
Interesting. I wonder how it will be for Zorn to take over HC duties and still call plays. I wonder if he is up to the task.