Report: Angelos nixed Deal

[Peace21]

Please take this for what its worth.

But I was informed by my guy tonight that Peter Angelos did nix the Erik Bedard trade with Seattle.

Apparently the deal was OKed by PA early on in the day but then later he changed his mind and had it pulled.

MacPhail and Bavasi agreed to the deal originally and PA nixed it.

[Dixonterp10]

Please take this for what its worth.

But I was informed by my guy tonight that Peter Angelos did nix the Erik Bedard trade with Seattle.

Apparently the deal was OKed by PA early on in the day but then later he changed his mind and had it pulled.

MacPhail and Bavasi agreed to the deal originally and PA nixed it.


ANd the OH board Erupts!!!!!

[brooksie05]

*Grabbing the pitch forks and torches*

[boz445504]

Go figure. I'm glad that I did not get my hopes up. Thanks Peace for the info!

[CrimsonTribe]

Well @$&* me... they still talking?

[birdsfan4ever]

Bigbird is going to love this:rolleyes:

[JoeOrsulak]

Please take this for what its worth.

But I was informed by my guy tonight that Peter Angelos did nix the Erik Bedard trade with Seattle.

Apparently the deal was OKed by PA early on in the day but then later he changed his mind and had it pulled.

MacPhail and Bavasi agreed to the deal originally and PA nixed it.

Is it still being worked out? Or is it over?
Working on an extension for him to stay?

[glenn__davis]

LOLOLOL!!

Holy conflicting reports, Batman!!

For some reason, I'll stick with bej's report.

[Dr. FLK]

I love Peter Angelos.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Rocky1983]

Please take this for what its worth.

But I was informed by my guy tonight that Peter Angelos did nix the Erik Bedard trade with Seattle.

Apparently the deal was OKed by PA early on in the day but then later he changed his mind and had it pulled.

MacPhail and Bavasi agreed to the deal originally and PA nixed it.

I hope this is not the case. If it is, I have had enough. We will never get better with this owner-NEVER! Until more comes out I will not get too worked up. We will see how this plays out.

[brvn52]

Please take this for what its worth.

But I was informed by my guy tonight that Peter Angelos did nix the Erik Bedard trade with Seattle.

Apparently the deal was OKed by PA early on in the day but then later he changed his mind and had it pulled.

MacPhail and Bavasi agreed to the deal originally and PA nixed it.

Peace, do you know if it's because Bedard said he'd re-sign and do you know what MacPhail's reaction is?

[deuce]

wow. :mad:

[ChaosLex]

Goodbye Quagmire. Hello paperbag head.

[brooksie05]

This will sound mean, but until PA dies or sells the team, we shouldn't even bother with this sham

[JTrea81]

It was reported in the Seattle PI blog as well. Angelos nixed the original deal because he was pissed about the leaks...

[Peace21]

Well @$&* me... they still talking?

No clue, but one GM (not naming names) says that this is typical Orioles . And typical Peter.

[Rocky1983]

Also, if this is true. look for MacPhail to resign very soon. Why would he stay here?

[amateurfan]

I just tried to start a thread on this, but from the Seattle forums Thomas1492 (http://forums.seattletimes.nwsource.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=37346&sid=6a8ad1551e52500fff4f983d7f0c9dc0)reported that Jones is heading to Phoenix for ST with the M's

[MChance]

My guy tells me Peter Angelos doesn't know a lot about baseball.

[The Rick]

OMG.

Just when you think it couldn't get any worse!

[rolliefingers]

Look, I'll take this with as large a grain of salt as I've taken (or, tried to take) every piece of info this offseason. But if this is true, man, I am really close to done with this team.

If Bedard is still on this roster on Opening Day because PA killed a deal that Bavasi and AM agreed on, I will seriously consider not following this team anymore. I know it's easy to say that right now, but to be this close to FINALLY doing the right thing and rebuilding, and to have it snatched away, would be too much.

Just my $.02. Carry on.

[Rocky1983]

It was reported in the Seattle PI blog as well. Angelos nixed the original deal because he was pissed about the leaks...

I find it hard to believe because he is a lawyer. If he quit on anything that was leaked, he would not be a billionaire!

[glenn__davis]

I just tried to start a thread on this, but from the Seattle forums Thomas1492 (http://forums.seattletimes.nwsource.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=37346&sid=6a8ad1551e52500fff4f983d7f0c9dc0)reported that Jones is heading to Phoenix for ST with the M's

That has to be bogus. His team is still playing in Venezuela. ST isn't for three more weeks. They wouldn't pull him from his team so he could come to ST early.

[TonySoprano]

Andy MacPhail is in complete control alright:cool:

[BaltBird 24]

Peter Angelos is going on 79 years of age. One would think that there's a pretty decent chance that he'll kick the bucket in the next decade or so..... there's only so much damage he has left in the tank.

In other news, there's a team not so far away that is building up quite a bit of nice young talent with a brand new stadium to boot.

[Pickles]

Please take this for what its worth.

But I was informed by my guy tonight that Peter Angelos did nix the Erik Bedard trade with Seattle.

Apparently the deal was OKed by PA early on in the day but then later he changed his mind and had it pulled.

MacPhail and Bavasi agreed to the deal originally and PA nixed it.

As of last night you said your "source", Bedard's agent, hadn't been informed of anything. Now, you say Angelos nixed the deal. So, did AM call up Bedard's agent and say, "Well, I had a deal in place for you but Angleos nixed it so now you stay an Oriole."
Sorry, don't buy it. What in the world would the O's gain by informing Bedard of that?

[Baltimoron]

It was reported in the Seattle PI blog as well. Angelos nixed the original deal because he was pissed about the leaks...

That makes no sense to me.

[CrimsonTribe]

Look, I'll take this with as large a grain of salt as I've taken (or, tried to take) every piece of info this offseason. But if this is true, man, I am really close to done with this team.

If Bedard is still on this roster on Opening Day because PA killed a deal that Bavasi and AM agreed on, I will seriously consider not following this team anymore. I know it's easy to say that right now, but to be this close to FINALLY doing the right thing and rebuilding, and to have it snatched away, would be too much.

Just my $.02. Carry on.

Yeah, still going to take this w/ a grain of salt too, but it's getting somewhat harder. I've been following this whole thing pretty closely; I think it's time to go play Tecmo Bowl.

[JTrea81]

That has to be bogus. His team is still playing in Venezuela. ST isn't for three more weeks. They wouldn't pull him from his team so he could come to ST early.

Jones lives in Arizona in the offseason.

[The Rick]

If this is true, screw the O's.

Thank God we have one competent team in town. Otherwise there would be a lot of people on the bridge tonight going skinny dipping.

[glenn__davis]

Jones lives in Arizona in the offseason.

OK. So he's leaving his team, that he wants to play for so badly, to go home?

[OriolefaninPA]

A waste of my time. Just can't let it go. You are up Bej.

[rolliefingers]

If this is true we should all just find a new team to root for. Seriously this is just absolutely disgusting.

I call Nats and A's. Who's coming with me?

[Diehard_O's_Fan]

I have had enough of this crap. I have been an Orioles fan since 1996. I officially quit as an Baltimore Orioles fan. I have wasted enough time and years on this lousy team.

[Moose Milligan]

I get up, check the fax machine, take a swig of milk from the bottle...come back to find this thread and the ensuing chaos.

Only on the OH.

Way to go, Petey...

Hey, I know...anyone have one of those gimmick websites where it'll tell you how long you're supposed to live? You type in your DOB, some other info and it'll tell you how much longer you have?

Well can we fill in Angelos' information? Please?

I'm not wishing anything bad here...just curious...

[Peace21]

As of last night you said your "source", Bedard's agent, hadn't been informed of anything. Now, you say Angelos nixed the deal. So, did AM call up Bedard's agent and say, "Well, I had a deal in place for you but Angleos nixed it so now you stay an Oriole."
Sorry, don't buy it. What in the world would the O's gain by informing Bedard of that?

Yeah and he hadnt been informed about anything, until late this afternoon. Dont know who they were informed by. But the info they got was it was agreed and ready to roll because PA Oked it originally, and then PA nixed it.

[JTrea81]

OK. So he's leaving his team, that he wants to play for so badly, to go home?

Mariners are probably just keeping him there until a deal actually goes down. They can't have him risk an injury so he'll be safe at home in Phoenix

[SoBo]

I call Phillies! Just can't root for a DC team. I wonder if they have any retro Schmidt jerseys on ebay?

[Moose Milligan]

I call Nats and A's. Who's coming with me?

I'm so there.

I live in the DC burbs, I can adopt the Nats at anytime. I've already got a hat and everything.

[Why Not?]

As of last night you said your "source", Bedard's agent, hadn't been informed of anything. Now, you say Angelos nixed the deal. So, did AM call up Bedard's agent and say, "Well, I had a deal in place for you but Angleos nixed it so now you stay an Oriole."
Sorry, don't buy it. What in the world would the O's gain by informing Bedard of that?

I second this question. Was Bedard informed or not? If not, how would someone at an agency know for sure exactly where this trade was when (or if) it was killed.

Anyway, PGA was supposed to be unavailable for any deal killing today. Now he's supposedly making all kinds of decisions through the day.

[brooksie05]

Seriously, let's grab some pitchforks and torches....

[millartime15]

I call Nats and A's. Who's coming with me?

Nah, the Tribe and Braves

[glenn__davis]

Mariners are probably just keeping him there until a deal actually goes down. They can't have him risk an injury so he'll be safe at home in Phoenix

Or, it's not true. That is a possibility, you know.

[wickedwitch]

Mariners are probably just keeping him there until a deal actually goes down.

Then he's going to be there a long time.

[George]

I'm moving to Canada.

[Tank]

IF this is true, a big if, I will seriously consider protesting the Orioles. I just find this incredibly hard to believe. We'll see....

[bigbird]

Peter Angelos is going on 79 years of age. One would think that there's a pretty decent chance that he'll kick the bucket in the next decade or so..... there's only so much damage he has left in the tank.

In other news, there's a team not so far away that is building up quite a bit of nice young talent with a brand new stadium to boot.

His son is worse:eek:

[Baltimoron]

I second this question. Was Bedard informed or not? If not, how would someone at an agency know for sure exactly where this trade was when (or if) it was killed.

Anyway, PGA was supposed to be unavailable for any deal killing today. Now he's supposedly making all kinds of decisions through the day.

I'm pretty sure (assumign PA nicked it) there are two MLB front offices that would know this info.

[BaltBird 24]

I call Nats and A's. Who's coming with me?

I'll take the Nationals, but I can't stomach the A's. I'm really liking the young, phenom-laden team being built down in Tampa Bay.

[clapdiddy]

Well, if this is true, I'm going to be watching me a lot of Braves baseball this year.

[Peace21]

I second this question. Was Bedard informed or not? If not, how would someone at an agency know for sure exactly where this trade was when (or if) it was killed.

Anyway, PGA was supposed to be unavailable for any deal killing today. Now he's supposedly making all kinds of decisions through the day.

No clue, I just got the info from my guy, and thats it, again take it for what its worth.

[raypetty]

I would jump for joy if AM resigned tonight or tomorrow and state the truth. To me, it would be as good as winning the pennant this year. PA has destroyed this team and doesn't care.

[ChaosLex]

Does everybody like my new look? :)

[glenn__davis]

IF this is true, a big if, I will seriously consider protesting the Orioles. I just find this incredibly hard to believe. We'll see....

IF IF IF this is true, I'd pretty much be done with them. I don't think it is, though.

[BaltBird 24]

His son is worse:eek:

Thought he didn't want to leave the team to his son because of a supposed lack of interest in baseball?

[orangedive]

Well, it could be worse. Instead of sitting at your computer watching this debacle unfold here at OH, you could be watching the state of the union address. Be grateful for that!

[CrimsonTribe]

I call Nats and A's. Who's coming with me?

I'm not jumping ship, but I've always thought about where I'd go if I did. Definitely the Braves since I've been following them since I was little and I'll be living in the Deep South.

[millartime15]

Well, if this is true, I'm going to be watching me a lot of Braves baseball this year.

Im with you, them and the Tribe

[ChaosLex]

On a serious note, the Orioles are never seeing another dime from me. I ordered FanFest tickets this weekend, and they're going in the shredder upon their arrival.

[MChance]

I second rooting for the Phillies!!

Jamie Moyer, baby!

[OriolesOreos]

Wow, wow, wow. I want all of my time spent on OH back. I love reading the info, but this organization is so frustrating it is beyond belief. If only AM could have taken Angelos' acceptance, turned his cell phone off and done the trade, that would have been great.

[Pickles]

Yeah and he hadnt been informed about anything, until late this afternoon. Dont know who they were informed by. But the info they got was it was agreed and ready to roll because he Oked it originally, and then PA nixed it.

That just seems incredibly bizarre to me. I really think your guy was misinformed, because obviously the O's FO wouldn't inform him of something like that taking place, so he got it third hand. Also, if a deal really had been reached, Bedard would have been THE FIRST to have heard about it. There is definitely something strange afoot but I dont think ANYONE really knows what going on at this point and its all too easy to pin it on PGA, when it could be any number of things.

[Optimum O]

Peter Angelos is going on 79 years of age. One would think that there's a pretty decent chance that he'll kick the bucket in the next decade or so..... there's only so much damage he has left in the tank.

In other news, there's a team not so far away that is building up quite a bit of nice young talent with a brand new stadium to boot.

I have my tickets already hased for the Nats. And being I live 15 minutes from Baltimore and 40 minutes from DC that is saying something.

[TonySoprano]

I know this is right out of a conspiracy movie worthy of Oliver Stone, but the only big move Angelos has agreed to in years was Tejada and that was pushed through the day before the Mitchell report was released. Was Angelos tipped off about Tejada's notoriety in that report and that got the deal done? He doesn't nearly have the attachment to Bedard that he had for Tejada. I can not possibly come out with a rational explanation for him to pull the plug on a deal that MacPhail worked hard to pull together. The leopard can't change its spots.

[clapdiddy]

I would jump for joy if AM resigned tonight or tomorrow and state the truth. To me, it would be as good as winning the pennant this year. PA has destroyed this team and doesn't care.
Yup...if this played out like Peace is saying, I'd love for Andy to call a press conference tomorrow and be very vague about it...then just go off.

[JTrea81]

People still think a deal will happen even though Angelos nixed this one. Bavasi still wants Bedard. Lets not forget the Cubs deal died too and it was revived.

The Houston to Tejada rumors had been shot down as well and then he was traded.

There is still hope...

[deuce]

I would jump for joy if AM resigned tonight or tomorrow and state the truth. To me, it would be as good as winning the pennant this year. PA has destroyed this team and doesn't care.

:) agreed.

[The Goob]

His son is worse:eek:

My only hope then is that his sons and his estate will not be able to afford the estate taxes like Jack Kent Cooke's sons and they are forced to sell becuase I must admit if PGA truly killed this deal I have had enough of this crap. I could never root for another team but I am also not sure that I can root for this one anymore.

As much as it pains me to say this I am tried of getting smacked in the face by this owner and expecting anything different.

[Optimum O]

Anyone still rushing to buy O's tickets?! Peter doesn't deserve any fan support. Let Oriole Park rot and become a ghost town.

[Pruke]

if that is true - one has to ask.....why do there fools even bother to hire someone to run baseball operations?

[boogidownoriole]

Havent we all learned not to jump to any conclusions on here? Especially the insiders, who are even contradicting each other now. Dont we see no one knows what the hell is going on?

Why do we keep believing every single insider post? Just let the damn thing unfold already. Supposed insiders are getting dissed all over the place and so are we. Get over it

[TyCobb]

If this is true (Honestly I don't believe it) I will not order MLB.tv this season. I will take a year off from baseball. I can't root for another team, but I guess I can always root against the Yankees.

[square634]

His son is worse:eek:

For pretty much the first time ever, I sort of have a source on this one. My father has heard from a pretty decent source that Angelos is not going to sell the team plans to hand the reigns over to his son John.

[millartime15]

:) agreed.

I fourth that!

This organization is so poor :( :mad:

[orangedive]

People still think a deal will happen even though Angelos nixed this one. Bavasi still wants Bedard. Lets not forget the Cubs deal died too and it was revived.

The Houston to Tejada rumors had been shot down as well and then he was traded.

There is still hope...

I agree there is still hope for this trade and/or the Roberts trade. It's just the fact that Angelos has that much control shows that there is little hope in the overall improvement of the club.

[Campmoon]

I know this is right out of a conspiracy movie worthy of Oliver Stone, but the only big move Angelos has agreed to in years was Tejada and that was pushed through the day before the Mitchell report was released. Was Angelos tipped off about Tejada's notoriety in that report and that got the deal done? He doesn't nearly have the attachment to Bedard that he had for Tejada. I can not possibly come out with a rational explanation for him to pull the plug on a deal that MacPhail worked hard to pull together. The leopard can't change its spots.

Peter Angelos is Keyser Söze.

[patw486]

So what day is everyone wearing their Free the Birds shirts to the Yard this year?

[ChaosLex]

People still think a deal will happen even though Angelos nixed this one. Bavasi still wants Bedard. Lets not forget the Cubs deal died too and it was revived.

The Houston to Tejada rumors had been shot down as well and then he was traded.

There is still hope...

I don't know why, but your last line reminded me of one of my favorite quotes from Army of Darkness.

Well hello Mister Fancypants. Well, I've got news for you pal, you ain't leadin' but two things: Jack and ****... and Jack just left town.

[Oriolesfan2008]

Wow. Angelos, just sell the team. You obviously don't know what the team needs, and by nixing deals for prospects, we aren't going to get any better. Angelos's greediness will ultimately cause this team to be ruined for years. Take the damn deal. This month we could already have 7-8 prospects from trading BRob and Bedard, but it's always about getting more. I would think prospects would do better playing with other prospects, seeing as how they wouldn't be nervous. Isn't that how guys like Hanley Ramirez and Dan Uggla came out? Stop being greedy, the greedier you get the worse off we are.

[glenn__davis]

Havent we all learned not to jump to any conclusions on here? Especially the insiders, who are even contradicting each other now? Dont we see no one knows that the hell is going on?

Why do we keep believing every single insider post? Just let the damn thing unfold already. Supposed insiders are getting dissed all over the place and so are we. Get over it

I have no idea, man. It's really baffling to me that people still act like this information is fact, even though the insiders themselves qualify it.

[bigbird]

I've been trying to tell you guys this for week but few would listen. It's not PGAs nature to give control of anything to anyone. That's just who he is. Sorry!

[SoBo]

How can anyone not buy this? From the nixed Bobby Bo deal, to the Sele back out, to the Derek Lee and IRod contract debacles, to the BRob nix last year and Brob debacle this year. To the turnstile that is the GM position. How can anyone not believe that PA would nix a deal like this? Sounds to me like the leaking of the deal is simply PA's excuse to nix the deal. I am so f'n pissed off right now. And the cherry on top of this whole ordeal will be the announcement that PA will pass the team to his sons. Shoot me in the head. Phillies and fantasy baseball in 2008!

[millartime15]

So what day is everyone wearing their Free the Birds shirts to the Yard this year?

I say from opening day

[OriolesOreos]

I will hold out some hope until tomorrow, when some people said it would go down. I cant see Bavasi working with us and spending time ironing out another deal...its just a waste of his time. AM and Bavaski are spending all of this time negotiating and none if it will come to fruition. I guess we will sign a couple scrubs and start next year with no hope for the future.

Man, I was looking forward to a team with a lot of young guys trying to make a name for themselves and hustling their butts off. The marlins are fun to watch because they are a bunch of young guys having fun. We could have that if we deal Bedard and Roberts. If not, we have a thin farm system and a terrible team

[ChaosLex]

Oh, and no offense, but I find it hilarious that there are people who honestly think there's a chance Bedard and Roberts might still be traded.

[AgentOrange]

I've been trying to tell you guys this for week but few would listen. It's not PGAs nature to give control of anything to anyone. That's just who he is. Sorry!

Ah yes. The "I told you so" post before anything really concrete happens.

Interesting move.

[BRob51]

People still think a deal will happen even though Angelos nixed this one. Bavasi still wants Bedard. Lets not forget the Cubs deal died too and it was revived.

The Houston to Tejada rumors had been shot down as well and then he was traded.

There is still hope...

yea, I'm with you. I'm not ready to jump ship just yet (though I am pulling for the M's to win the ALCS this year), and there is still some time... maybe...

[Rockbird]

Unfreakingbelievable. He rips our hearts out of our chests again. And he probably thinks he's doing us all a favor he's so clueless. We're never going to get better until that old man is long gone, one way or another. :mad:

[millartime15]

I've been trying to tell you guys this for week but few would listen. It's not PGAs nature to give control of anything to anyone. That's just who he is. Sorry!

Thanks as always BB

Screw Angelos!

[rolliefingers]

if that is true - one has to ask.....why do there fools even bother to hire someone to run baseball operations?

I've been wondering that for years. He vetoes every deal that crosses his desk. Why not just drop the charade and make himself GM? He'd save a boatload of money on baseball people, wouldn't? Seeing as he knows more than all of them, anyway.

[elrod7]

IMO, this thread is stupid, and there is no way Angelos just simply changed his mind and nixed a Bedard deal. There is another guy on this board that claims the exact opposite of what this thread says, but if it's a thread that suggests that it's Angelos' fault, then we all run with it?? None of us know what the truth is, just chill for a couple days and the truth will come out.

[Cubsfan21]

What a circus, the O's front office is becoming

At this rate, there is no way Roberts get dealt to the Cubs.

[bummer]

Come on Orioles fans, keep your head up. Now you get to watch Bedard fool hitters for at least the next two years. You'll enjoy the unfairness he brings to the mound.

Angelos, you.da.man.

[TyCobb]

I've been trying to tell you guys this for week but few would listen. It's not PGAs nature to give control of anything to anyone. That's just who he is. Sorry!

So are you calling AM a liar?

[Pickles]

I have no idea, man. It's really baffling to me that people still act like this information is fact, even though the insiders themselves qualify it.

Hell, we had two of them on here yesterday- AFTER Angelos supposedly renegged- saying the deal was done. I don't think anybody's intentionally lying but I think people are misinformed and that other posters extrapolate way too much from some of the "insider's" information.

[The Rick]

People still think a deal will happen even though Angelos nixed this one. Bavasi still wants Bedard. Lets not forget the Cubs deal died too and it was revived.

The Houston to Tejada rumors had been shot down as well and then he was traded.

There is still hope...

There is still hope because players like Tejada, BRob, and Bedard have value. Teams WANT them really badly!

It's obvious things have not changed at all, PA is still crippling this team and we are still the joke of the league.

[Campmoon]

Unfreakingbelievable. He rips our hearts out of our chests again. And he probably thinks he's doing us all a favor he's so clueless. We're never going to get better until that old man is long gone, one way or another. :mad:

It will be interesting to see how he'll screw us over one last time in his will.

[millartime15]

Im jumping the ship, this is flat out ridiculous

BTW, where did you get that avatar Lex? I tried to look for one but couldnt fing one

[section62]

may I suggest we begin the protest by contacting Angelos and venting this anger to the person who deserves it:http://www.angeloslaw.com/contact.htm

In the immortal words of Cosmo Kramer, "Let's take it to the streets!"

[clapdiddy]

If (again IF) this is true, I really want to hear what happened to this deal. It better not be because Adam Jones, a 22 year-old kid, talked to a reporter in Venezuela.

[DrungoHazewood]

Look, I'll take this with as large a grain of salt as I've taken (or, tried to take) every piece of info this offseason. But if this is true, man, I am really close to done with this team.

If Bedard is still on this roster on Opening Day because PA killed a deal that Bavasi and AM agreed on, I will seriously consider not following this team anymore. I know it's easy to say that right now, but to be this close to FINALLY doing the right thing and rebuilding, and to have it snatched away, would be too much.

Just my $.02. Carry on.

" "

Killing a deal that was agreed upon by your baseball men... and not just a deal but the biggest step towards turning around the franchise in 10+ years... wow... to me that's firmly cementing the O's in the Pittsburgh Pirates depths of hell. Even the Royals and Rays have more hope than a team that desperately sees the need to retool only to have its bumbling owner nix the trade, possibly out of spite.

[deuce]

Well, the Tigers signed 2 of my favorite young players (Willis & Cabrera) so maybe.....arghhh...cant do it....but it is getting easier to start thinking about following another team.

[The Goob]

Jusy my opinion but if this is true we may still have a press conference tomorrow it may just be to announce the resignation of Andy McPhail.

[Sports Guy]

The question is, can the deal be revitalized? If something is changed about the deal, can it be put through at that point?

[fansince71]

This would never happen but wouldnt it be great if AM quit tomorrow and told the press i cant work for this guy.

[Lucky Jim]

People still think a deal will happen even though Angelos nixed this one. Bavasi still wants Bedard. Lets not forget the Cubs deal died too and it was revived.

The Houston to Tejada rumors had been shot down as well and then he was traded.

There is still hope...

Really? You mean one rumor - as likely to be right as the rumors we've gone ape#$%^ over for two months - doesn't foreclose all hope? How many of those panned out?

How good has the rumor mill been this summer?

How sure can you be that this is correct?

If history accounts for anything around here, it's two things:

1. The O's have an uncanny knack for fouling things up.

2. We shouldn't be "sure" of any rumor until it's finished, signed-off on, and announced.

It's fine to expect the worst due to #1. But it's also important to keep in mind #2.


And the Wieters debacle.

[JTrea81]

Yeah, I can't believe I'm posting this stuff and haven't picked up my pitchfork yet.

Angelos can't screw this up. Just like the Wieters negotiations this deal has to go down for the future of the franchise.

If Angelos torpedoes this completely, the Orioles will have no fanbase left period. He can't afford to risk that...

[Rockbird]

It will be interesting to see how he'll screw us over one last time in his will.

His sons will move the team to Indianapolis!

[Double062]

I was actually considering investing in a 10 game pack this year if they had taken steps to show they were going to rebuild in the right way. Trading Tejada was a good start. If they moved Bedard and Roberts for a number of young players to get behind and support for the next 5-6 years, I'm down for paying some money to watch young, exciting players develop.

Not a chance if they trot out the same crap they have, piecing a team together with duct tape and band aids over top of axe wounds. I like Erik Bedard, Brian Roberts, and a bunch of other guys on the team, but they should know they are not built to contend or compete with the Yankees or Red Sox right now.

Good luck getting me to come downtown to see an Orioles line-up that consists of Redmond, Fahey, Luis Hernandez, and outright malcontents like Huff and Mora.

[AgentOrange]

Oh, and no offense, but I find it hilarious that there are people who honestly think there's a chance Bedard and Roberts might still be traded.


Settle down. There is no reason to make a post like this. It accomplishes nothing.

We don't even have the whole story of what is happening. Just speculation. Our insiders are contradicting themselves so how can you know what to believe?

IT is crazy as hell right now because everyone has new information like every 10 minutes. But nothing adds up.

We were told earlier today that PGA was unavailable to do anything and now all of the sudden he has both agreed to and then nix the trade on the same day he was "unavailable." And every time something happens, there are people that bite on it.

[SoBo]

How long before AM needs to "spend more time with his family?"

[SHAWN555]

We are a disgrace because of one man.

Just when i think the team is going to turn the corner and brighter days are ahead this happens. This team is going nowhere until Angelos is gone. There is zero chance we turn this around with him owning the team.

Whenever the first protest is planned count me in.

I was considering season tickets but i do not want to give this guy any of my money.

[OriolesOreos]

JTrea, I love ya man, I really really hope your optimism and logic pays off, but I just think we are beyond all logic here....

[Pickles]

I've been trying to tell you guys this for week but few would listen. It's not PGAs nature to give control of anything to anyone. That's just who he is. Sorry!

Didn't you say last night the deal was final? That would imply to me that it wasn't waiting on Angelos' approval. Of course now you say it was final until he nixed it but if you have so little faith in him I wonder why you would think anything was final until it got past him.

[ON BASE %]

Please take this for what its worth.

But I was informed by my guy tonight that Peter Angelos did nix the Erik Bedard trade with Seattle.

Apparently the deal was OKed by PA early on in the day but then later he changed his mind and had it pulled.

MacPhail and Bavasi agreed to the deal originally and PA nixed it.

Thanks Peace for this very important update. I believe you 100%.

Thanks to Tony and the OH Staff for making this such a great website.

Thanks to all of the insiders who go out on a limb and post such sensitive information.

And thank you to all members of this great community. You have impressed me with your baseball knowledge and seem like a fantastic group of people. My short experience on this site has been a pleasant, fun, and educational experience.

Unfortunately I'm going to make this my final post.

I was a lifelong Orioles fan of almost 30 years. I was a former season ticket holder. But now I am now finished with the Orioles. Angelos has failed me for the last time with this interference. This was a litmus test and Angelos just failed it miserably. As a fan all of my hopes and dreams have just been extinguished by Angelos. I can not argue that it is Angelos' right as owner to make a decision like this. But it is entirely my right as a customer to withhold business from his ownership group and family permanently.

I will never again purchase any Oriole tickets or merchandise while the Angelos family owns the team. Where I go from here as a baseball fan, I just don't know. For the sake of all Oriole fans, the local economy, businesses, and vendors alone I hope the Orioles succeed but it is highly unlikely under the current ownership group.

Last year's HOF ceremony was bittersweet because I felt like we gave each of the Oriole greats their last standing ovation. It's sad but I think Cal will be the last HOFer wearing an Oriole hat in my lifetime.

I'm going to go to the 83 Oriole event at ESPN zone on Thursday to pay my last respects. It was so much fun as a kid to cheer that team on. Besides the talent they had so much character. They were impossible not to root for.

I feel sad for the children of this town that they will never be able to experience the same thing

When McPhail came onboard and was able to secure Weiters it gave me a semblance of hope. A respected baseball man with the automomy to build the Orioles seemed too good to be true.

I was there on Fantastic Fans night in 1988 after the 0-21 streak. And I was proud to be an Orioles fan. I always thought better days were ahead. I can't say the same now. Angelos meddling has doomed the Orioles to indefinite mediocrity.

This is what it has come to. Angelos has morphed me into indifference. The passion is gone but the good memories will stay with me forever.

Last but not least I wish all of you nothing but the best.

Take Care,
OBP

[millartime15]

We are the laughing stock of the MLB

[SoBo]

The question is, can the deal be revitalized? If something is changed about the deal, can it be put through at that point?

Considering the deal was pulled out of spite. I doubt it. If I'm Bavasi I block all calls with a 410 area code.

[DrungoHazewood]

I'm not jumping ship, but I've always thought about where I'd go if I did. Definitely the Braves since I've been following them since I was little and I'll be living in the Deep South.

The Southern Maryland Blue Crabs (http://www.somdbluecrabs.com/). Nothing like indy ball to remind you that baseball is supposed to be about winning and having fun.

[bryanman8]

We should all do something. Seriously. We keep talking about pitchforks and crap...how about an angry mob banging the doors of the Front Office tomorrow? Plan a walk-out for Opening Day, or make sure nobody goes in the first place. Freaking do something so this absolute joke realizes how much we despise his guts and wish whatever necessary to get him away from this team.

[SHAWN555]

The question is, can the deal be revitalized? If something is changed about the deal, can it be put through at that point?



The question is would Seattle be interested after this going down?

Also if we keep Bedard whats his mind set, besides I cant wait to get out of here.

Why would anyone even bother dealing with us?

[oriolefaith]

STRIKE!!!!!!! MAY 26th

[ChaosLex]

Come on Orioles fans, keep your head up. Now you get to watch Bedard fool hitters for at least the next two years. You'll enjoy the unfairness he brings to the mound.

Angelos, you.da.man.

You really have no reason to gloat, troll. Your team has about as much a chance at making the playoffs over the next few years as we do.

[glenn__davis]

Hell, we had two of them on here yesterday- AFTER Angelos supposedly renegged- saying the deal was done. I don't think anybody's intentionally lying but I think people are misinformed and that other posters extrapolate way too much from some of the "insider's" information.

I just don't understand it. Time and time again, people have jumped to false conclusions based on what the insiders have said. Then they look like fools, but apparently not enough to keep them from doing it some more.

Bottom line is, no one knows what the heck is going on. I'm not at all suprised Peace's source heard Angelos nixed the deal, because THAT IS WHAT EVERYONE ASSUMES!! Sorry, but I seriously doubt that Peace's source heard first hand that a deal was in place and everything was ready to go, but PA nixed it.

Maybe PA really did nix it, it wouldn't surprise me at all. But it's not a fact that he did it.

No offense meant to our insiders, BTW. I love the info you all provide.

[clapdiddy]

The only thing I can say is that Belkast said he still feels a deal will happen.

Of course, that may have changed in the last hour, but he said it when all this stuff started coming out.

[Gus]

Fellow O's lovers,

Use some of your boundless energy to start a fan boycott of the team as long as Angelos remains the owner.

It is the only solution.

One broken hearted O's fan,

Gus

[amateurfan]

Really? You mean one rumor - as likely to be right as the rumors we've gone ape#$%^ over for two months. How many of those panned out?

How good has the rumor mill been this summer?

How sure can you be that this is correct?

If history accounts for anything around here, it's two things:

1. The O's have an uncanny knack for fouling things up.

2. We shouldn't be "sure" of any rumor until it's finished, signed-off on, and announced.

It's fine to expect the worst due to #1. But it's also important to keep in mind #2.


And the Wieters debacle.

I wonder if Wieters reads OH, follows all the rumors, and thinks to himself, "why did I sign with the O's?"

[SHAWN555]

His sons will move the team to Indianapolis!

Okay only if Tampa is relocated here. :)

[bummer]

I like this forum. Reminds me a lot of M's forums. We both hate our team's FO and we threaten to never buy a ticket again. Sounds just like a lot of M's forums/blogs when it was reported Bedard was traded to Seattle.

This is actually one of the best team message boards I've come across for any sport. Goodp place here.

[JCK]

Can't really believe this until I read a published report on it. If this were true, MacPhail would be resigning as we speak, and Angelos would be even further crucified by the national media. He can't afford those things to happen.

[Sunner]

Hurry everyone off to bed and lets see if the sun comes up tomorrow.

[boogidownoriole]

The only thing I can say is that Belkast said he still feels a deal will happen.

Of course, that may have changed in the last hour, but he said it when all this stuff started coming out.

SO WHAT!! Who gives a damn what these guys think anymore? If Angelos kills the deals who gives a damn how many text message these guys get.

Stop already

[Jagwar]

I feel so much like this guy...


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[bummer]

You really have no reason to gloat, troll. Your team has about as much a chance at making the playoffs over the next few years as we do.

Which is why I don't want the trade to go down. Bedard won't put the M's over the top. Great pitcher(when he pitches), but he isn't the final piece to even winning the AL West.

[millartime15]

im down with a protest on opening day that would send a bigger message then some game 100 games into the season

Agreed, it would send a bigger message if it was opening day

but then again why would Angelos care?

[OriolesOreos]

Where did Belkast comment recently?

[SoBo]

We are the laughing stock of the MLB

Amazing to grow up rooting for the organization that all others wanted to be. Now we're quite possibly the most embarrassing franchise in all of sports. Outside of maybe the Redskins. Good Lord, how is it possible that the two worst owners in sports are exactly 45 miles apart?

Anyone want to guess the attendance figures for the 1st O's v Royals Tuesday night tilt? Will there be 1,000 fanatics in the stands?

[JohnnyK27]

I haven't heard the Mariners or Bavasi bad mouthing Angelos or the Orioles at this point. So this may prove to be a small glimmer of hope! Very Small!:(

[allstar1579]

To the pitchforks!!!!

Man the torches!!!

We are hunting baseball tyrants!

[Pickles]

I just don't understand it. Time and time again, people have jumped to false conclusions based on what the insiders have said. Then they look like fools, but apparently not enough to keep them from doing it some more.

Bottom line is, no one knows what the heck is going on. I'm not at all suprised Peace's source heard Angelos nixed the deal, because THAT IS WHAT EVERYONE ASSUMES!! Sorry, but I seriously doubt that Peace's source heard first hand that a deal was in place and everything was ready to go, but PA nixed it.
Maybe PA really did nix it, it wouldn't surprise me at all. But it's not a fact that he did it.

No offense meant to our insiders, BTW. I love the info you all provide.

If his source is Bedard's agent, as he says, then there is NO WAY IN HELL he would have heard this first hand from the O's.

[bigbird]

Didn't you say last night the deal was final? That would imply to me that it wasn't waiting on Angelos' approval. Of course now you say it was final until he nixed it but if you have so little faith in him I wonder why you would think anything was final until it got past him.

It was 100% agreed upon. There were flights booked, rids waiting and physicals scheduled. PGA must have gotten this morning and blew a gasket.

You tell me what the response would have been if I posted the deal was done pending PGAs approval? I would have gotten slammed so hard about AM being 100% in charge it wouldn't be crazy.

[hburg to bmore]

good point he prolly wouldnt care. but it would still be a nice scene to see an empty camden yards on opening day

[davearm]

So are you calling AM a liar?
Of course GMs lie to the media.

Do you think Bavasi was telling the truth when he said that Jones was pulled from his winter league team in the middle of the playoffs because he'd "achieved his goals" or whatever BS he threw out there?

I trust you're not that naive. Because that was a lie right there.

[JCK]

That said, if this all turns out to be true, I will happily join some sort of walk-out on opening day. Can you imagine the press THAT would garner? The last one was on ESPN, and it was a meaningless game 2/3 the way through the season. This would make some waves.

[Peace21]

If his source is Bedard's agent, as he says, then there is NO WAY IN HELL he would have heard this first hand from the O's.

I have been saying this since this rumored deal started, I havent heard anything from my guy about this deal. Not until tonight. And I was told the deal was nixed.

[TheBee]

Peace, as always thanks for the information. I actually had hope we were headed in a clear and intelligent direction. I thought our farm system could move with this series of proposed trades (Bedard, BRob,Payton, Millar) from middle of the pack (16) to top ten. I was looking forward to a young and exciting team. I had hope we had a GM who could build on the Tejada trade. It now appears that nothing has changed. With this owner, we are doomed to be a directionless laughingstock. I hope I'm wrong. I hope these trades still goes down somehow, but it certainly looks like the sos.

[twoBshorty]

If true, this is literally the worst possible way this could have gone down. The trade was put together and then the Orioles yanked the rug out from under it. It means our word is worth nothing and nobody will ever want to deal with us again because they'll think they're just wasting their time. And they are. If Angelos changes his mind and MacPhail goes back to the Mariners, I wouldn't blame Bavasi one bit if he told us to go pound sand. Wasted time and credibility when he could have been doing something else.

Pathetic. This team is so myopic. They think they can just mosey along at their own little pace, oblivious to the 29 other teams out there. And now Angelos may have taken away MacPhail's credibility as well. Does he have ANY CLUE?

[waroriole]

Thanks Peace for this very important update. I believe you 100%.

Thanks to Tony and the OH Staff for making this such a great website.

Thanks to all of the insiders who go out on a limb and post such sensitive information.

And thank you to all members of this great community. You have impressed me with your baseball knowledge and seem like a fantastic group of people. My short experience on this site has been a pleasant, fun, and educational experience.

Unfortunately I'm going to make this my final post.

I am now finished with the Orioles. Angelos has failed me for the last time with this interference. This was a litmus test and Angelos just failed it miserably. As a fan all of my hopes and dreams have just been extinguished by Angelos. I can not argue that it is Angelos' right as owner to make a decision like this. But it is entirely my right as a customer to withhold business from his ownership group and family permanently.

I will never again purchase any Oriole tickets or merchandise while the Angelos family owns the team. Where I go from here as a baseball fan, I just don't know. For the sake of all Oriole fans, the local economy, businesses, and vendors alone I hope the Orioles succeed but it is highly unlikely under the current ownership group.

Last but not least I wish all of you nothing but the best.

Take Care,
OBP

Dude, I understand the disappointment and anger (if this is even true), but DRAMA QUEEN

[TyCobb]

Of course GMs lie to the media.

Do you think Bavasi was telling the truth when he said that Jones was pulled from his winter league team in the middle of the playoffs because he'd "achieved his goals" or whatever BS he threw out there?

I trust you're not that naive. Because that was a lie right there.

I am talking about AM quote in his press conference. He said that he won't have taken the team if he wasn't giving 100% control of baseball operations.

[SevisonJN]

Settle down. There is no reason to make a post like this. It accomplishes nothing.

We don't even have the whole story of what is happening. Just speculation. Our insiders are contradicting themselves so how can you know what to believe?

IT is crazy as hell right now because everyone has new information like every 10 minutes. But nothing adds up.

We were told earlier today that PGA was unavailable to do anything and now all of the sudden he has both agreed to and then nix the trade on the same day he was "unavailable." And every time something happens, there are people that bite on it.

Angelos can give a verbal Ok. It also takes 10 minutes to sign paperwork. Most GM's get envolved in the teams payroll goes up in a deal, but ours is going down. I believe McPhail had trades arranged for both Bedard and Roberts; PA though otherwise. "I allowmy baseball men to make baseball decisions"..... before I disagree with the packages and pull the deals! PA didn't think that Derek Lee deserved $8 Million a year, but somehow Konerko deserved double. Do you notice how we always almost sign a guy. We were players for Carlos Lee, Derek Lee, Paul Konerko, Vladamir Guerrero, Pudge, etc. Goodcallon giving Javy Lopez $8 million per year instead a gaudy $10 million per year to Pudge. PA has meddled and he is the reason why our team stinks. Frank Wren was such a bad baseball man that he left us and went to Atlanta, Pat Gillick went to the Phillies, Steve Phillips was with the Mets, McPhail with Chicago,etc. We have had good guys who were all handcuffed (and not in a good way).

[Believer]

Is there any possibility that it was nixed as it was so the O's could sweeten the deal with a sign and trade - as was speculated in another thread tonight?

[Pickles]

It was 100% agreed upon. There were flights booked, rids waiting and physicals scheduled. PGA must have gotten this morning and blew a gasket.

You tell me what the response would have been if I posted the deal was done pending PGAs approval? I would have gotten slammed so hard about AM being 100% in charge it wouldn't be crazy.

Well, I hate getting into semantics, but I think you have a very different interpertation of what 100% means than I do.
Secondly, who cares if you get slammed? Providing accurate information should, theroretically at least, be more important to you than providing innaccurate information that the board wants to hear.

[Baltimoron]

I am talking about AM quote in his press conference. He said that he won't have taken the team if he wasn't giving 100% control of baseball operations.

He knows that, and is saying GMs lie.

[JTrea81]

bej and Belkast seem to be the only ones that are saying this still is going down. Well them and Jason Churchill and the Seattle PI, but I'd really like to hear what is going on.

Is PA gravely ill and he made a bad choice because he was not in his right mind? Is this just a ploy to get more from Bavasi?

[millartime15]

LOL, somebody gave me neg rep for bashing Angelos! Come on how can you not!

[Dixonterp10]

Is there any possibility that it was nixed as it was so the O's could sweeten the deal with a sign and trade - as was speculated in another thread tonight?

I really hope you are right!

[bigbird]

Of course GMs lie to the media.

Do you think Bavasi was telling the truth when he said that Jones was pulled from his winter league team in the middle of the playoffs because he'd "achieved his goals" or whatever BS he threw out there?

I trust you're not that naive. Because that was a lie right there.


Bite your tongue~ AM doies not lie to the media and fans.

[glenn__davis]

Is PA gravely ill and he made a bad choice because he was not in his right mind?

JTrea, you are officially the World Champion of Speculation!!! :D

[SilentJames]

OKAY OKAY HERE IS A RECAP OF WHAT JUST HAPPENED:

FIRST WE HAVE THIS -

I can assure you, Angelos hasn't nixed any deals.

All of you need to chill. Things aren't going to happen today, so you don't have to refresh the hangout every 5 minutes.

ESPN's a huge Orioles downer, and until they have something else to say about Angelos they're going to keep saying this same stuff. Angelos isn't meddling here, there's a whole different issue that's happening here.

I can assure you, Angelos hasn't nixed any deals.

The this from Belkast


It still happens this week, things are just taking alittle longer.

Now the thread we are in now.

SO MANY CONFLICTING REPORTS-----I hate the internet

[SevisonJN]

Is there any possibility that it was nixed as it was so the O's could sweeten the deal with a sign and trade - as was speculated in another thread tonight?

You don't nix deals, you alter them.

[Gus]

It was 100% agreed upon. There were flights booked, rids waiting and physicals scheduled. PGA must have gotten this morning and blew a gasket.

You tell me what the response would have been if I posted the deal was done pending PGAs approval? I would have gotten slammed so hard about AM being 100% in charge it wouldn't be crazy.


You would have been telling the truth ......that's the problem around here, people don't like to deal with the truth. AM is not in charge of this team.

[japes121]

Is there any possibility that it was nixed as it was so the O's could sweeten the deal with a sign and trade - as was speculated in another thread tonight?

I can't remember the last "sign and trade" that happened in the mlb

[birdsfan4ever]

Is PA gravely ill and he made a bad choice because he was not in his right mind?

How would this be any different than usual?

[AgentOrange]

Angelos can give a verbal Ok. It also takes 10 minutes to sign paperwork. Most GM's get envolved in the teams payroll goes up in a deal, but ours is going down. I believe McPhail had trades arranged for both Bedard and Roberts; PA though otherwise. "I allowmy baseball men to make baseball decisions"..... before I disagree with the packages and pull the deals! PA didn't think that Derek Lee deserved $8 Million a year, but somehow Konerko deserved double. Do you notice how we always almost sign a guy. We were players for Carlos Lee, Derek Lee, Paul Konerko, Vladamir Guerrero, Pudge, etc. Goodcallon giving Javy Lopez $8 million per year instead a gaudy $10 million per year to Pudge. PA has meddled and he is the reason why our team stinks. Frank Wren was such a bad baseball man that he left us and went to Atlanta, Pat Gillick went to the Phillies, Steve Phillips was with the Mets, McPhail with Chicago,etc. We have had good guys who were all handcuffed (and not in a good way).

That is not the point. That is really all he has to do in the first place. But he said he wasn't. Just because it would only take 10 minutes doesn't change the fact that he was "unavailable" today.

[Lucky Jim]

bej and Belkast seem to be the only ones that are saying this still is going down. Well them and Jason Churchill and the Seattle PI, but I'd really like to hear what is going on.

Is PA gravely ill and he made a bad choice because he was not in his right mind? Is this just a ploy to get more from Bavasi?

Who else is there?

[Pickles]

I have been saying this since this rumored deal started, I havent heard anything from my guy about this deal. Not until tonight. And I was told the deal was nixed.

I wonder if you even know but where did he hear it from? That's important to me. I'm sure the O's didn't tell him that; I'm sure the M's didn't tell him that. He probably heard it from somebody like Rosenthal, or any other member of the press, who is doing nothing more, imo, than speculating.

[bigbird]

bej and Belkast seem to be the only ones that are saying this still is going down. Well them and Jason Churchill and the Seattle PI, but I'd really like to hear what is going on.

Is PA gravely ill and he made a bad choice because he was not in his right mind? Is this just a ploy to get more from Bavasi?


This has a chance to go down but the old man has to be talked in to it. With Duq gone and Flanny working n bobbing head nights not sure who's left to do that.

[SevisonJN]

If true, this is literally the worst possible way this could have gone down. The trade was put together and then the Orioles yanked the rug out from under it. It means our word is worth nothing and nobody will ever want to deal with us again because they'll think they're just wasting their time. And they are. If Angelos changes his mind and MacPhail goes back to the Mariners, I wouldn't blame Bavasi one bit if he told us to go pound sand. Wasted time and credibility when he could have been doing something else.

Pathetic. This team is so myopic. They think they can just mosey along at their own little pace, oblivious to the 29 other teams out there. And now Angelos may have taken away MacPhail's credibility as well. Does he have ANY CLUE?

I kind of get the feeling that McPhail wants to keep things private ebcause he knows there is a strong likelyhood PA will nix it.If you want to hold out for another player, this isn't the best way to do it.

[JohnnyK27]

I am talking about AM quote in his press conference. He said that he won't have taken the team if he wasn't giving 100% control of baseball operations.

Is it possible that he thought he had control but doesn't .... Reminds me of when Pete was sending his line up card to the club house to make sure Leo Gomez was in the line up.

[Gus]

" "

Killing a deal that was agreed upon by your baseball men... and not just a deal but the biggest step towards turning around the franchise in 10+ years... wow... to me that's firmly cementing the O's in the Pittsburgh Pirates depths of hell. Even the Royals and Rays have more hope than a team that desperately sees the need to retool only to have its bumbling owner nix the trade, possibly out of spite.


After this fiasco, no team the O's field in 2008 will have any fight in them....they know they don't stand a chance of improving as long as Angelos is the owner.

If AM had any guts and integrity he'd resign first thing Tuesday morning.

[square634]

Thanks Peace for this very important update. I believe you 100%.

Thanks to Tony and the OH Staff for making this such a great website.

Thanks to all of the insiders who go out on a limb and post such sensitive information.

And thank you to all members of this great community. You have impressed me with your baseball knowledge and seem like a fantastic group of people. My short experience on this site has been a pleasant, fun, and educational experience.

Unfortunately I'm going to make this my final post.

I am now finished with the Orioles. Angelos has failed me for the last time with this interference. This was a litmus test and Angelos just failed it miserably. As a fan all of my hopes and dreams have just been extinguished by Angelos. I can not argue that it is Angelos' right as owner to make a decision like this. But it is entirely my right as a customer to withhold business from his ownership group and family permanently.

I will never again purchase any Oriole tickets or merchandise while the Angelos family owns the team. Where I go from here as a baseball fan, I just don't know. For the sake of all Oriole fans, the local economy, businesses, and vendors alone I hope the Orioles succeed but it is highly unlikely under the current ownership group.

Last but not least I wish all of you nothing but the best.

Take Care,
OBP

Shouldn't you wait to see how this actually turns out first? I mean, there are so many conflicting reports out there that not all of them can be true.

[AgentOrange]

This has a chance to go down but the old man has to be talked in to it. With Duq gone and Flanny working n bobbing head nights not sure who's left to do that.

To be honest, there is no reason to point fingers right now, from anyone.

No one really knows what is going on. We will find out in due time.

[thriftyorioles]

This will sound mean, but until PA dies or sells the team, we shouldn't even bother with this sham


Normally I would never say anything like this, but until the old crumudegeon croaks, we will never see the playoffs again. Cruel, but true!

[Mashed Potatoes]

I'd like to go on record and predict this trade still happens.

[SevisonJN]

I wonder if you even know but where did he hear it from? That's important to me. I'm sure the O's didn't tell him that; I'm sure the M's didn't tell him that. He probably heard it from somebody like Rosenthal, or any other member of the press, who is doing nothing more, imo, than speculating.

I do not think it bodes well for reporters to speculate. Those guys have multiple insiders. Before they run something they try to get verification from both sides. Beat writers do not need to speculate and when they do they tend to caveat it with "this is my opinion, speculation, or guess".

[Rocky1983]

bej and Belkast seem to be the only ones that are saying this still is going down. Well them and Jason Churchill and the Seattle PI, but I'd really like to hear what is going on.

Is PA gravely ill and he made a bad choice because he was not in his right mind? Is this just a ploy to get more from Bavasi?

I am of the same mindset you are JTrea. I will wait until tomorrow or Wednesday to see how this shakes out before I grab my pitchfork. Maese's column sets the stage for this town to rebel against Angelos and MacPhail to resign IF this deal is nixed. If it goes through, all is well. I refuse to get worked up in a lather. This is out of our control. If it is reported that PA nixed this when all is said and done, all we can do as fans is spen our money somewhere else. I will still watch the games from the comfort of my TV, but no money on merchandise or games at the yard. Let's see what shakes out tomorrow.

[AgentOrange]

I'd like to go on record and predict this trade still happens.

Where do I sign?

[rolliefingers]

I like this forum. Reminds me a lot of M's forums. We both hate our team's FO and we threaten to never buy a ticket again. Sounds just like a lot of M's forums/blogs when it was reported Bedard was traded to Seattle.

This is actually one of the best team message boards I've come across for any sport. Goodp place here.

You're right. It's a shame it's essentially wasted on this worthless, irrelevant team.

(Note: I reserve the right to retract all posts in this thread if a Bedard deal winds up going down. :D)

[Peace21]

I wonder if you even know but where did he hear it from? That's important to me. I'm sure the O's didn't tell him that; I'm sure the M's didn't tell him that. He probably heard it from somebody like Rosenthal, or any other member of the press, who is doing nothing more, imo, than speculating.

I strongly stand by my source on this and you can argue it all you want. But I believe my guy 100% on this info and where he got it from. The way you take it or read it is up to you.

[StunninSteve]

bej6789 any thoughts on this???

You were pretty adament that Angelos has had nothing to do with this and was giving McPhail total control...

[RVAbird]

I'd like to go on record and predict this trade still happens.

I'd like to go ahead and second that.

[CrimsonTribe]

I'd like to go on record and predict this trade still happens.

Seconded....

[Rockbird]

I strongly stand by my source on this and you can argue it all you want. But I believe my guy 100% on this info and where he got it from. The way you take it or read it is up to you.

Peace, you may have covered it, but do you get a sense that Angelos has put his foot down and canceled the deal outright or is it just "on hold" with a chance of being revived over the next couple days when Angelos gets a chance to take a closer look at it?

[millartime15]

This has a chance to go down but the old man has to be talked in to it. With Duq gone and Flanny working n bobbing head nights not sure who's left to do that.

I agree bigbird, and I hope it does, but it doesnt look all that good. Someone will have to really talk him out of this.

BTW thanks for all the info BB, I cant thank you enough.

[bej6789]

Seconded....

Third
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[Mashed Potatoes]

Where do I sign?

This very post will act as your signature AO, yet I fear we're the minority at the Overreaction Hangout.

Inside information is taken with a huge grain of salt even when it's unanimous across different sources, unless of course the information is congruent with some deeply ingrained preconceived notions. Here we have a single insider claiming it was nixed by PA, and another saying the deal still goes down.

If this information was about a Roberts trade to the Cubs for Pie + Gallagher everyone would be questioning its authenticity.

[Lucky Jim]

Seconded....

Well, I'll third it. But I haven't changed my perspective on it, yet. Then again, I'm an empiricist. It makes it easy to wait. ;)

[StunninSteve]

If Angelos did nix the deal it may be because he thinks that they can sign Bedard long term... I know he's stupid but I hope he's not that stupid...

[Peace21]

Peace, you may have covered it, but do you get a sense that Angelos has put his foot down and canceled the deal outright or is it just "on hold" with a chance of being revived over the next couple days when Angelos gets a chance to take a closer look at it?

I dont know. This organization is tough to read.

[Pickles]

I strongly stand by my source on this and you can argue it all you want. But I believe my guy 100% on this info and where he got it from. The way you take it or read it is up to you.

I'm not trying to "argue". I'm just trying to express my opinion, which is I don't believe it. Well, I certainly believe it's possible- I've been around long enough- but in light of further info I'm going to withhold judgement.
BTW, it isn't possible for you to tell us where he heard it from?

[StunninSteve]

I just can't figure out why the hell he can't let his baseball people make the baseball decisions. He knows squat about how to run a team from a baseball standpoint. He should have got the hint that doing things his way just simply doesn't work judging by the past 10 seasons...

[SevisonJN]

I'd like to go ahead and second that.

I am less optimistic about the trade going down. We only have two weeks or so before spring training. Once pitchers and catchers report, forget about a trade. Teams do not like to deal with a GM and owner. It's hard enough to get a deal agreed upon when two owners are envolved. If I were Seattle or Chicago I would stop my negotiations and try to deal with another team or play my cards.

[threedaysrest]

Who knows if this whole thing is PGA's fault--one insider says one thing and another completely contradicts it--but I've found this snippet of verse helpful throughout the day:

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

[AgentOrange]

Third
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Hahaha, that is classic.

[StunninSteve]

Why can't the Orioles have an owner like Steve Biscotti??? Too bad he's not a big enough O's fan to try and buy the team...

[TyCobb]

Third
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4th. Best time to buy when the market panics.

[Shopay]

Where do I sign?

Make that five of us.

[Sports Guy]

I think there is a chance this still goes down as well.

I am not going to get too pissed off just yet.

I do believe that PA nixed this based on some things i have heard but I also don't think that means its dead.

[Peace21]

I'm not trying to "argue". I'm just trying to express my opinion, which is I don't believe it. Well, I certainly believe it's possible- I've been around long enough- but in light of further info I'm going to withhold judgement.
BTW, it isn't possible for you to tell us where he heard it from?

My bad. I respect your opinion. Fair enough

I wouldnt tell or reveal my source on here.

[Cubsfan21]

Peace,

I don't know if you'd have any new info about this but do you think they will still trade Roberts to the Cubs?

[davearm]

Peace,

I don't know if you'd have any new info about this but do you think they will still trade Roberts to the Cubs?
Let's hope Hendry has moved on.

[millartime15]

I think there is a chance this still goes down as well.

I am not going to get too pissed off just yet.

I do believe that PA nixed this based on some things i have heard but I also don't think that means its dead.

Theres a chance, it just doesnt look to good

Its getting to close to free ST

I hope something gets done

[Rex Thunder]

I say Cubs or Dodgers...At least the Cubs try to get better.

I'm in LA- so Im way aheadof you on the Dodgers- in fact I was hoping they'd make the plunge on bedard... as far as the Cubs- I do like them due to the trials and tribulations they've gone thru that I can relate to (as an O's fan)- but their bandwagon is so big I'd hate to add to it... If they ever win a world series- it will be red sox nation all over again!

[Hank Scorpio]

Peace,

I don't know if you'd have any new info about this but do you think they will still trade Roberts to the Cubs?

LOL...

It would probably take Roberts slashing Angelos' tires to get himself traded!!!

:D :D :D

[rochester]

Who knows if this whole thing is PGA's fault--one insider says one thing and another completely contradicts it--but I've found this snippet of verse helpful throughout the day:

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

Best post in months...Thank you!

[JCK]

Peace,

I don't know if you'd have any new info about this but do you think they will still trade Roberts to the Cubs?
Thank God. I hadn't heard a Cubs fan mention Roberts for at least an hour. I was worried.

[Optimum O]

Imagine the pressure that PA must be under in house. I am sure his advisors are letting him know vetoeing this might not be the best move. Maybe soon he will realize his error and will wake up.

[Hank Scorpio]

Imagine the pressure that PA must be under in house. I am sure his advisors are letting him know vetoeing this might not be the best move. Maybe soon he will realize his error and will wake up.

His "advisors?"

Like whom?

[JTrea81]

Imagine the pressure that PA must be under in house. I am sure his advisors are letting him know vetoeing this might not be the best move. Maybe soon he will realize his error and will wake up.

I'm wondering if his health is failing him and he's ceding power to his sons shortly...

[SevisonJN]

My bad. I respect your opinion. Fair enough

I wouldnt tell or reveal my source on here.

Why does everyone want to know your source? Who cares if it is John the janitor or Carl in PA office? You naming your source would just be you naming your source, I would still need to contact your source to verify that he knows you! If ESPN, Seattle, Baltimore, etc. do not want to tell us anything, how can we trust anyone. Right now I trust you more than anyone outside of Andy McPhail who is playing dumb, but hasn't lied. ( If Angelos nixed the deal, it would not be smart for AM to say that is the case. He might as well resign before doing that!)

[boogidownoriole]

My bad. I respect your opinion. Fair enough

I wouldnt tell or reveal my source on here.

You didnt promise to me to reveal that. But someone else did promise me :)

[bigbird]

I don't think there's a chance in hell Roberts gets traded. My opinion.

[StunninSteve]

He should have woke up after he let Gillick go that he was a horrible owner who just needs to butt the hell out of baseball matters. HE'S NOT A BASEBALL PERSON!! Bottom line he needs to stop acting like he knows what he's doing cause 10 years of losing season outta be a hint to him that he simply sucks!

[blueberryale77]

LOL...

It would probably take Roberts slashing Angelos' tires to get himself traded!!!

:D :D :D

Something tells me two Hangouters dressed as Roberts and Bedard are outside Angelos' house egging the place and messing up his cars as we speak.

[nate22]

For what its worth, I just saw this article a few minutes ago

http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2008/jan/28/bedard-trade-rumors-continue-to-churn/

[waroriole]

Man, I understand this is a message board and people will vent their frustration, but some people are acting like PA is the Anti-Christ and wishing he would die:( :mad:

This is still the same guy who fought for the rights of workers being poisioned by asbestos, and took the stand that he would not field a team of replacement players so that Cal's streak could be preserved. Maybe PA is in bad health and he wants to see if the O's have a shot at this thing without rebuilding. It's not like he is intentionally trying to find ways to make the O's lose.

Anyway, I understand the anger but some people on here really need to get some perspective and understand that baseball (even the O's) are not life and death

[SHAWN555]

I don't think there's a chance in hell Roberts gets traded. My opinion.

I gotta agree. If Angelos has this much hesitations about trading Bedard and deal for a fan favorite like Roberts will NEVER happen.

[SevisonJN]

You didnt promise to me to reveal that. But someone else did promise me :)

I don't care if he promised or not, you guys aren't best friends or family. Why does your opinion mean anything to anyone here? People need to get over themselves and be thankful that anyone says they know an insider. Other than that we would all be talking about nothing more than signing Corey Patterson or the next talent we overevaluate.

[NewMarketSean]

ANgelos just keeps hammering the old truth home. He is still in control of this team no matter who is "in charge."

We're doomed.

[Bono Is U2]

Man, I understand this is a message board and people will vent their frustration, but some people are acting like PA is the Anti-Christ and wishing he would die:( :mad:

This is still the same guy who fought for the rights of workers being poisioned by asbestos, and took the stand that he would not field a team of replacement players so that Cal's streak could be preserved. Maybe PA is in bad health and he wants to see if the O's have a shot at this thing without rebuilding. It's not like he is intentionally trying to find ways to make the O's lose.

Anyway, I understand the anger but some people on here really need to get some perspective and understand that baseball (even the O's) are not life and death

Peter G. Angelos, is that you?!?!?;)

[Pedro Cerrano]

ANgelos just keeps hammering the old truth home. He is still in control of this team no matter who is "in charge."

We're doomed.

Well said. This guy is quite angry right now.

[SHAWN555]

This is still the same guy who fought for the rights of workers being poisioned by asbestos, and took the stand that he would not field a team of replacement players so that Cal's streak could be preserved. Maybe PA is in bad health and he wants to see if the O's have a shot at this thing without rebuilding. It's not like he is intentionally trying to find ways to make the O's lose.



This does not change the fact that he is the worst owner in all of sports and has single handedly run this franchise into the ground, and turned Camden Yards into a ghost town unless Boston or New York is in town.

[sevens]

I may have just overlooked it, but is there a chance that Angelos has sent McPhail back to the table to get better players in return ?

Like many others I have to wonder just what Angelos is thinking.
Bring in AM allow him to post in the media that he is going about rebuilding the team and has full autonmy. Then not once but possibly twice let the entire fanbase and MLB in general get the impression that Angelos is still making all decisions.

Watch, wait and never get straight info. That seems to be the way of the fan in O's land.
Sometimes this is madening. :confused:
Go O's :(

[Elon Os Fan]

Could Angelos and AM be playing bad guy/good guy to Bavasi?

[mikezpen]

This is still the same guy who fought for the rights of workers being poisioned by asbestos, and took the stand that he would not field a team of replacement players so that Cal's streak could be preserved. Maybe PA is in bad health and he wants to see if the O's have a shot at this thing without rebuilding. It's not like he is intentionally trying to find ways to make the O's lose.

The result's the same. The man has ruined this franchise.I'm not interested in his good points. He's ruined this franchise. Angelos is the worst owner in the Game, and maybe in professional sports.

At least Robert Irsay put us out of our misery by moving the team.

[japes121]

No offense to anyone, especially peace whose input and tibits I love, but the way this offseason has gone, this all probably means bedard is gone tomorrow:rolleyes:

[oandb21]

Man, I understand this is a message board and people will vent their frustration, but some people are acting like PA is the Anti-Christ and wishing he would die :) :D ;)
what's wrong with that, at least then we might could get a deal done.

[SevisonJN]

For what its worth, I just saw this article a few minutes ago

http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2008/jan/28/bedard-trade-rumors-continue-to-churn/

Thanks for the article. I can't bring myself to excitement over the trade. I like Jones, but the rest of the package is just average. I would prefer Jones, Truinfel, and Tillman.

[waroriole]

Peter G. Angelos, is that you?!?!?;)

alive and in the flesh:D

[Peace21]

No offense to anyone, especially peace whose input and tibits I love, but the way this offseason has gone, this all probably means bedard is gone tomorrow:rolleyes:

Hey I hope Im wrong. I want this thing to go down.

[Pedro Cerrano]

If I had to GUESS what happened here, I would say this:

AM and Bavasi agreed to a deal with the understanding that Angelos had to approve it. Someone on the Mariners side of things leaked that the deal was done or close to being done. Word spread over various message boards and whatnot and it became gospel that the trade was finished.

Angelos got the deal, didn't like it or wanted more.

And now here we are. Doomed.

[SevisonJN]

Could Angelos and AM be playing bad guy/good guy to Bavasi?

That would be awesome.

"Bavasi, Peter is only going to let this guy go for a package of Jones, Clement/Truinfel, and Tillman. The ball is in your court, it is out of my hands."

[rolliefingers]

I don't think there's a chance in hell Roberts gets traded. My opinion.

I should know by now not to look for any semblance of logic in anything PA does, but I gotta ask: If this is true, why doesn't he just tell AM: "I'm not trading Roberts. Not for anyone, at any price. Don't even bother. Save your breath."

The thing that has ALWAYS bugged me the most about PA is the shifting rules of the game.

[Rex Thunder]

On the wildy optimistic side- any chance Angelos nixing of the deal forces Bavasi to go completely ALL IN and throw in Triunfel or MOrrow, instead of the final throwin prospect... who knows- could turn out to be good for us... if NOT however- and this deal doesn't happen- I will be severely disheartened to the point where my excitement for spring training goes from 100% to nil... all about march madness now...

the saddest part about this- is that for all the *****ing we do on here aboutit- the fact remains that Angelos won't care one bit what we say- and you know why? Because most casual fans who don't realize the importance of trading him now- or WHY we need to (his reluctance to sign long term- regardless of what he said theo ther day)- and they will be HAPPY that he nixed it- because they would go nutz if he was traded.

Ignorance is bliss- for PA- and the casual O's fan... and sadly, ignorance is what will keep the O's a losing franchise for the forseeable future... and damnit, I've now done it... ive joined the ranks of the openly pessimistic.. and that's AFTER starting out optimistic! DAMN!

[allstar1579]

Come ON Pete!!! When we start trading fiberglass for asbestos we'll ask your opinion, til then, leave the baseball decisions to the people that know something about the sport.

[Time2Win]

If neither Roberts nor Bedard are traded after all the negotiations and near finality of trades, who in baseball would deal with the O's in the future without thinking they were wasting their time? If PA did kill these deals or so-called deals, who would trust the O's again to do a deal? I wouldn't and I'd guess most of baseball would feel the same way.

[SevisonJN]

What's it matter who Bavasi might add in...You really think PA knows who Morrow and Clement are? It's just a big joke guys.


I would say that Angelos is the kind of guy who needs all of the info. I am sure he has the low down on every guy in a given discussion.

[Aberdeener]

What the $%^ does Peter Angelos know about minor league prospects

[waroriole]

This does not change the fact that he is the worst owner in all of sports and has single handedly run this franchise into the ground, and turned Camden Yards into a ghost town unless Boston or New York is in town.

But still to wish death upon the man, i mean really, grow up:(

[electricRon14]

The result's the same. The man has ruined this franchise.I'm not interested in his good points. He's ruined this franchise. Angelos is the worst owner in the Game, and maybe in professional sports.

At least Robert Irsay put us out of our misery by moving the team.

I think that's going a bit far, man. Baltimore's gotten some rotten sports luck over the years, please don't tempt the fates with this kind of talk...

[SHAWN555]

But still to wish death upon the man, i mean really, grow up:(

First of all i never wished death upon him, so don't tell me to grow up.

Please tell me what about him being a good lawyer makes him a good owner????

[laxtonto]

Some times i wonder what i did to anger the baseball gods in a past life. My two favorite teams, the two teams that i have followed since my early childhood are owned by no other than PA and Tom Hicks. I finally had some hope with the total restructuring of the Tex FO and new belief in building from within and what looked like the long anticipated and much needed to rebuilding of the O's. Now it looks like that isnt going to happen..... :(

[tennOsfan]

I'm am SOOOO seriously close to emotionally divorcing myself from this franchise. I'm sick of Angelos turning a proud team into a farce, and his incessant meddling. If he had half a decent baseball mind, perhaps the meddling would be ok.

I'm likely to break board rules by talking of Angelos any further.

[OriolesandTerps]

I have to think that this is an all time new low if ol PA approved a deal and then nixed the deal because "all of the leaks" according to Peace21's source. I mean this is playground crap.

I am taking my toys and going home!

If true Pete, Grow the F. up! or sell the team if you don't have the stones, the huevos, the tuff balls. You get the point.

[davearm]

I am talking about AM quote in his press conference. He said that he won't have taken the team if he wasn't giving 100% control of baseball operations.
You didn't really believe that did you?

No GM has 100% control of baseball operations.

When baseball decisions have business consequences (a contract that entails a big financial outlay, a change in direction for the org, a highly marketable guy coming/going etc), the owner gets a say.

And obviously nowhere is this more apparent than in Baltimore.

[waroriole]

First of all i never wished death upon him, so don't tell me to grow up.

Please tell me what about him being a good lawyer makes him a good owner????

Wasn't saying you did, just referring to the others who did

Also, never said him being a good lawyer makes him a good owner just that people should not judge the value of a man's life by the quality of a baseball owner he is

[slowey404]

I really believe that if PA did in fact nix the trade, that AM will soon be quitting, AM has spent this whole off season trying to rebuild this franchise, spending countless hours on the phone getting the best offer he can. PA knew what AM wanted to do when he was hired. So IMO I highly doubt that PA nixed this deal and if he did I believe he knew what might happened. This quote from the sun sort of confirms this
Asked whether Angelos' support for MacPhail's plan to reshape the Orioles has changed, MacPhail said, "Not that I'm aware of.

[big leagues 23]

I'm with the crowd that thinks Bedard still gets traded.

[nadecir]

If it is true that Angelos nixed a deal that Bavasi and McPhail agreed to, why would Bavasi continue to talk to McPhail any longer? Bavasi shouldn't waste any more time and just talk to Angelos directly.

It is a pipedream that Angelos' interference in this matter is going to lead to a better trade for the Orioles from the Mariners. Perhaps the Mariners have players from Greek ancestry that they are willing to trade?

I wonder if the list of teams that are even willing to talk trades with the Orioles is really dwindling at this point.

[Bond007]

I don't know if this is true or not. I'm mad and I don't really know what to think yet.

Seriously though, could Angelos be this stupid? How in the world does he expect us to get better? He can't see it's pointless to keep Bedard/Roberts around here with a bunch of other bums on the roster? Can't he see that nobody is coming to the games anymore because there is no hope in only trotting 3 good players out? He's been the owner for a long time now, you'd at least think the guy would learn a thing or two.

Is he taking pride in running one of the best baseball franchises ever into the ground then spitting on it and the fans?

Is he just going par for the course and collecting as much money along the way as he can? I mean wtf is going on in the warehouse. It almost seems like the movie Major League where the owner is trying to make the team as bad as possible so he can move them to Florida.

Angelos owes it to MLB, Baltimore and all the real, true, die hard fans of this team no matter where they are across the country, to just get the hell out of the way and let this team get back on its feet.

[Jagwar]

Did anyone post anything about Geoff Baker at the Seattle Times saying that the M's had signed Wilkerson, contingent on Jones being in a trade for Bedard?

http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/mariners/2008/01/go_play_in_the_snow.html