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Moose Milligan
02-07-2008, 12:04 AM
Assuming the Bedard trade goes through (which I still have my reservations about), Roch had a snippet today from his blog which got me excited:


The scout also marveled at the arms that the Orioles could stockpile at Single-A Frederick and Double-A Bowie this year. Check out this list:

Butler

Chris Tillman

Brandon Erbe

Chorye Spoone

Pedro Beato

Bradley Bergesen

Jason Berken

David Hernandez

Tim Bascom

Jacob Arrieta

Jake Renshaw

"I'd probably take them over any other group in baseball," the scout said. "That's unbelievable."
Frobby
02-07-2008, 12:35 AM
Glad to hear an outside opinion that jibes with what I've felt was true. Add Gallagher and Veal to that mix and it's utterly ridiculous.

Now if only we had the hitters to match....
OrangeJerseys
02-07-2008, 12:42 AM
Finally something really positive about the farm.
whatdoiget000
02-07-2008, 12:57 AM
I also liked what he said about the Cameron comparisons for Jones: "He needs to be compared to Andruw Jones".
Crazysilver03
02-07-2008, 12:59 AM
Norfolk:

Garrett Olson
Radhames Liz
Troy Patton
Hayden Penn
Sean Gallagher
Donnie Veal


We might just have some of the best pitching in the minors.
whatdoiget000
02-07-2008, 01:02 AM
But one or two of those arms should be in the majors, depending on whether or not we bring a vet in.
JTrea81
02-07-2008, 01:09 AM
Glad to hear an outside opinion that jibes with what I've felt was true. Add Gallagher and Veal to that mix and it's utterly ridiculous.

Now if only we had the hitters to match....

We'll probably be dealing some of this depth for said hitters, I'm guessing in the next offseason to gear up for a long 5-6+ year run starting in 2009.
ChrisP
02-07-2008, 08:15 AM
Great quote here.....save this thread for a bump in two years....
NewMarketSean
02-07-2008, 10:26 AM
Don't count your eggs before they hatch.
Hank Scorpio
02-07-2008, 10:41 AM
Don't count your eggs before they hatch.

It's good to have this many eggs. We've never had them before!
NewMarketSean
02-07-2008, 10:48 AM
It's good to have this many eggs. We've never had them before!

But we don't even have some of those pitchers in our system yet! Thats what I am talking about!
Ruzious
02-07-2008, 11:22 AM
Adding Tillman and Butler to Frederick takes us from okay to outstanding, imo.
Mackus
02-07-2008, 11:51 AM
Adding Tillman and Butler to Frederick takes us from okay to outstanding, imo.Don't forget Veal to AA if that Roberts deal Bigbird mentioned has any legs.
Owatcher
02-07-2008, 12:38 PM
Jake Renshaw??

How did we get Jake Renshaw? MiLB.com shows him as being in the Cubs system having pitched for the Single A Peoria Chiefs. Same guy? Different guy?

Did we get him in the Trachsel trade? I thought we only got Moore and Cherry. Was there another deal I missed?
McLovin
02-07-2008, 12:40 PM
Jake Renshaw??

How did we get Jake Renshaw?

Did we get him in the Trachsel trade?
Yes.

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ChrisP
02-07-2008, 12:45 PM
Yes.

wordswordswords

Really? PTBNL? Give him his own thread! If Micholobe can get one Renshaw deserves one. :D


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Crazysilver03
02-07-2008, 01:21 PM
Jake Renshaw??

How did we get Jake Renshaw? MiLB.com shows him as being in the Cubs system having pitched for the Single A Peoria Chiefs. Same guy? Different guy?

Did we get him in the Trachsel trade? I thought we only got Moore and Cherry. Was there another deal I missed?

There was a clause in the trade that said if the Cubs made the playoffs, the Orioles would receive a 3rd player. We got Renshaw around October 10th.
Owatcher
02-07-2008, 02:42 PM
There was a clause in the trade that said if the Cubs made the playoffs, the Orioles would receive a 3rd player. We got Renshaw around October 10th.



Wow! That's great. Thanks for the info.
Stotle
02-07-2008, 03:43 PM
Glad to hear an outside opinion that jibes with what I've felt was true. Add Gallagher and Veal to that mix and it's utterly ridiculous.

Now if only we had the hitters to match....

Veal, yes. Gallagher wouldn't be in that group, though.

I love this group of kids and am surprised to see they didn't get a little more love from BA in their organizational rankings.
hoosiers
02-07-2008, 03:58 PM
Nice comments by the scout.

I wonder if it's worth asking if the scout believes our minor league pitching is better than any group in baseball or just the AA and A staffs?

Sorry to be anal, but there's a difference and Roch did not clarify.
Ruzious
02-07-2008, 04:05 PM
Nice comments by the scout.

I wonder if it's worth asking if the scout believes our minor league pitching is better than any group in baseball or just the AA and A staffs?

Sorry to be anal, but there's a difference and Roch did not clarify.
He just said A and AA, but that would be a good question. Not sure if we have the 1 stud ace to make us #1 in bezbol.
Stotle
02-07-2008, 04:39 PM
Nice comments by the scout.

I wonder if it's worth asking if the scout believes our minor league pitching is better than any group in baseball or just the AA and A staffs?

Sorry to be anal, but there's a difference and Roch did not clarify.

I'd wager a guess that he's talking specifically about the AA/A staffs. There are a couple of arms that could make a jump and turn into legit front-line talents.
Frobby
02-07-2008, 05:23 PM
Well, if Tony is right and Penn, Patton and Liz all start the year in AAA, that's a pretty good collection of talent.
Tony-OH
02-07-2008, 05:53 PM
Well, if Tony is right and Penn, Patton and Liz all start the year in AAA, that's a pretty good collection of talent.

I don't remember saying that I think all three will start the year in Triple-A. Actually, I expect at least one to make the rotation with Penn being the front runner IMHO. If they are all in Triple-A to start the year it will mean either the Bedard trade did not go through, or all three had terrible springs.
Frobby
02-07-2008, 06:11 PM
I don't remember saying that I think all three will start the year in Triple-A. Actually, I expect at least one to make the rotation with Penn being the front runner IMHO. If they are all in Triple-A to start the year it will mean either the Bedard trade did not go through, or all three had terrible springs.

Sorry, I meant Olson, not Penn, as shown on the depth chart (Olson, Liz, Patton). Senior moment there. And I realize that any of those guys could wind up in Baltimore. Maybe Gallagher too if the Cubs deal goes through.
Doyle Hargraves
02-07-2008, 07:36 PM
There was a clause in the trade that said if the Cubs made the playoffs, the Orioles would receive a 3rd player. We got Renshaw around October 10th.

Attaboy, McPhail...:D
WV O's
02-09-2008, 03:19 PM
He just said A and AA, but that would be a good question. Not sure if we have the 1 stud ace to make us #1 in bezbol.

I think this is what we are lacking as of right now. A STUD or two would make this collection of pitchers best top to bottom (or at least top three).

We need Erbe, Tillman, Beato, Liz to step up...maybe a couple of them?????

Am I missing someone?
Greg Pappas
02-10-2008, 03:16 PM
As always, '*' denotes a lefty. Also, their age is as of April/08.

This is a good group of '25 and under' starter talent...

Matt Albers (25)
*Adam Loewen (24)
Radhames Liz (24)
*Garrett Olson (24)
Jason Berken (24)
Hayden Penn (23)
Tim Bascom (23)
Jake Arrieta (22)
*Troy Patton (22)
Chorye Spoone (22)
Jake Renshaw (22)
David Hernandez (22)
Brad Bergeson (22)
Pedro Beato (21)
Chris Tillman (20)
Brandon Erbe (20)
*Tony Butler (20)
*Zach Britton (20)
AVencill
02-11-2008, 11:50 AM
That list above this post is absolutely scary now that this Bedard trade has gone through. While I wished for a Dodgers trade, the return value makes me smile, especially after we absolutely stole the farm away from the M's.

For those lucky OH'ers going to Spring Training, I hope you take note and watch these guys compete their butts off for rotation spots.

Now, lets regroup and focus on rebuilding the offense within the organization through the draft. Go Jordan Go!
glenn__davis
02-11-2008, 01:20 PM
Going to be very fun following the minor leagues this year. There have been times in the past where certain games, particularly in the upper levels, weren't really worth paying attention to, as there we no decent prospects to follow. Even though our positional talent is still weak, we at least know that every night, at every level, there will likely be a solid prospect pitching.
NCRaven
02-11-2008, 04:20 PM
If they decide he's the best player available at #4, and draft Matusz, a college LH pitcher, he might be the near ready stud that puts the pitching over the top as far as top 2-3 pitching staffs in all of the minors. Having said that, I prefer to see them take a near ready bat like Smoak or a talented young infielder like Beckham (the high schoole, not the college player).
mikezpen
02-13-2008, 06:35 PM
Triple A will have positional prospects worth following too: Reimold and Costanzo, also Paco Figueroa.
dgrandle
02-17-2008, 10:03 AM
While the trades should obviously have a great long term effect on the major league level, I am really excited living here in Virginia Beach and will be able to watch true prospects in Norfolk over the next few years. The orioles affiliation with the Tides was a dream come true for me last year, as well as a logical match because of the close proximity. I didn't go to alot of games last year because the Tides were alot of AAAA players. I'm loooking forward to watching guys like Reimold, Mickolio, Albers and Constanzo this year.:)