Redskins reportedly after Chad Johnson

[Sports Guy]

This according to ESPn and Mike and Mike this morning...Surprise surprise, the Skins want to take a shot at an expensive vet with a big name and may be prepared to give up a few high picks to get him.

[Mad Mark]

"Oh Danny Boy, you are a tool and munchkin..."
To what depth will this franchise sink next?
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[backwardsk]

Yes!! That's what I'm talking about...

I think the Redskins had like 6 picks in this years draft. You can't expect a franchise that needs over a month to select a position coach to become their head coach to devote enough time, effort, and resources for SIX draft picks. Got to get rid of them. Bring in ocho cinco, give up the draft picks.

The only problem is that this will probably clinches the fact that B Lloyd will be gone. I can't believe that the Big 3: Brunell, Duckett, and Lloyd will all be gone.

Chad wants to get paid and he knows where to go do that.

The offseason is the Redskins Super Bowl. I hope that Johnson, Trufant, and Briggs enjoy their rides on Redskins1.

[AgentOrange]

Yes!! That's what I'm talking about...

I think the Redskins had like 6 picks in this years draft. You can't expect a franchise that needs over a month to select a position coach to become their head coach to devote enough time, effort, and resources for SIX draft picks. Got to get rid of them. Bring in ocho cinco, give up the draft picks.

The only problem is that this will probably clinches the fact that B Lloyd will be gone. I can't believe that the Big 3: Brunell, Duckett, and Lloyd will all be gone.

Chad wants to get paid and he knows where to go do that.

The offseason is the Redskins Super Bowl. I hope that Johnson, Trufant, and Briggs enjoy their rides on Redskins1.


Hahaha, you have got to be kidding.

[Dracula]

I've been on this ride before...and I threw up.

[backwardsk]

Hahaha, you have got to be kidding.

Absolutely. At least when you're a Redskins fan, you don't have to devote a full weekend in April for the draft. You just kind of estimate when their one or two picks are, tune in, and then the rest of the time is yours. Efficiency, my friend.

[fdmstng99]

Redskins trying to buy there way into the playoffs again. We've seen how this worked out before.

[bryanman8]

Johnson would be a terrific acquisition. No joke. Bash Snyder all you want but getting Johnson for their 21st pick or 2nd and 3rd or something would give them far more value than that pick in this year's draft. We're ready to win now and Ocho Cinco is a beast now and in the future. Look at how incredible the offenses that went out and got the stud "troubled" WR's became--Dallas exploded with TO, the Pats went nuts with Randy Moss.

Johnson is what you call reliable. He hasn't missed a game since his rookie season in 2001. In a relatively quiet, under-the-radar year for him this year, he put up a career high 1,440 receiving yards, as well as 93 catches and 8 TD's.

They want to run the WCO offense and they already have a guy that fits in great to their slot in Randle El and a great flanker speed WR in Moss. What they need is that big possession, end-zone WR, like TO in SF's WCO, and they get that easily in Chad Johnson.

It's a match made in heaven, actually. I'm all for Ocho Cinco.

[Dracula]

Why even hire scouts? Might as well fire them all, save that money for big names. Someones gotta try it right?

[bryanman8]

Why even hire scouts? Might as well fire them all, save that money for big names. Someones gotta try it right?
I'm of the opinion that most scouts would agree that adding one of the NFL's top 5 WR's to your already solid offense is a better option than drafting a Jeff Otah, DeSean Jackson, Kenny Phillips, or Calais Campbell. Look, I love draft picks, and it was an absolute joke how Gibbs mishandled them in trading for Portis, Campbell, Duckett, McIntosh, you name it. However, giving up a 2nd-and-3rd rounder, or our first, for a guy as great as Chad Johnson is well worth it, IMO. He's what we need on offense and considering our only real other hole besides #1 WR, which is our top offensive priority according to the WaPo, is the D-Line, and we can use either our 1st or 2nd rounder, whichever we don't trade, on that. We finally have some later round picks to get depth guys but with the additions of Ocho Cinco, Briggs, a DE with our first pick in the draft, and some other minor moves, this team is pretty well-set for next year.

[backwardsk]

Johnson would be a terrific acquisition. No joke. Bash Snyder all you want but getting Johnson for their 21st pick or 2nd and 3rd or something would give them far more value than that pick in this year's draft. We're ready to win now and Ocho Cinco is a beast now and in the future. Look at how incredible the offenses that went out and got the stud "troubled" WR's became--Dallas exploded with TO, the Pats went nuts with Randy Moss.

Johnson is what you call reliable. He hasn't missed a game since his rookie season in 2001. In a relatively quiet, under-the-radar year for him this year, he put up a career high 1,440 receiving yards, as well as 93 catches and 8 TD's.

They want to run the WCO offense and they already have a guy that fits in great to their slot in Randle El and a great flanker speed WR in Moss. What they need is that big possession, end-zone WR, like TO in SF's WCO, and they get that easily in Chad Johnson.

It's a match made in heaven, actually. I'm all for Ocho Cinco.

Bryan, I love your enthusiasm. But the Redskins are much more than a receiver away from contending. And to do that they need to utilize the draft. Look at the guys you referenced. Owens was a free agent. I don't think he cost the Cowyboys any picks because he was released by the Eagles. Moss was traded for one fourth round pick.

Hey, I'd love to see a healthy Santana be able to get one on one coverage with no safety help. But this team is need of a corner, DE, Offensive line help, possibly linebacker help if McIntosh doesn't recover. The draft is where they'll get that help.

Who knows what it'll take to get Chad Johnson. By the way I like him a lot. Based off of Redskins history, they'll overpay.

By the way, another receiver out there who'll end up drawing their interest through a trade will be Roy Williams.

[AgentOrange]

I'm of the opinion that most scouts would agree that adding one of the NFL's top 5 WR's to your already solid offense is a better option than drafting a Jeff Otah, DeSean Jackson, Kenny Phillips, or Calais Campbell. Look, I love draft picks, and it was an absolute joke how Gibbs mishandled them in trading for Portis, Campbell, Duckett, McIntosh, you name it. However, giving up a 2nd-and-3rd rounder, or our first, for a guy as great as Chad Johnson is well worth it, IMO. He's what we need on offense and considering our only real other hole besides #1 WR, which is our top offensive priority according to the WaPo, is the D-Line, and we can use either our 1st or 2nd rounder, whichever we don't trade, on that. We finally have some later round picks to get depth guys but with the additions of Ocho Cinco, Briggs, a DE with our first pick in the draft, and some other minor moves, this team is pretty well-set for next year.

It all depends on the asking price. I am not sure a 2nd and 3rd rounder would do the trick.

I think Cincy would just keep Johnson either way. He is going to give it his all out on the field, even if he isn't happy.

If Cincy HAD to trade him, that might be the asking price, but since they could just keep him I would expect more than just a 1st round pick this year, maybe your 1st next year as well.

[backwardsk]

It all depends on the asking price. I am not sure a 2nd and 3rd rounder would do the trick.

I think Cincy would just keep Johnson either way. He is going to give it his all out on the field, even if he isn't happy.

If Cincy HAD to trade him, that might be the asking price, but since they could just keep him I would expect more than just a 1st round pick this year, maybe your 1st next year as well.

The Washington Post says "league sources" speculate that it'll take a late 1st round plus a 3rd, or 2 secound round picks. I'll come back with the link.

Edit:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/11/AR2008021102433_2.html?hpid=sec-sports&sid=ST2008021102877

Here's the link. And it's two general managers, not "league sources" (if that really makes any difference)

[AgentOrange]

The Washington Post says "league sources" speculate that it'll take a late 1st round plus a 3rd, or 2 secound round picks. I'll come back with the link.

Right. It is all speculative. But even that is more than what Bryan was talking about.

I am sure he would still be on board for that asking price, but long term, I think it would be a bad idea.

[Dracula]

Don't get me wrong, the skins need a top WR but Cincy doesn't have to trade him, and if they do its gonna start with a 1st round.

I'm thinking it possibly gets done with a 1st plus Betts for Ocho. It would def have to be a first plus more picks/players IMO. Don't think I would pay that price.

[backwardsk]

Right. It is all speculative. But even that is more than what Bryan was talking about.

I am sure he would still be on board for that asking price, but long term, I think it would be a bad idea.

I tend to agree. But Johnson is a tempting guy to have. I just felt that this was the year that they would begin building through the draft.

By the way I also saw that Suggs may be franchised if he doesn't re-sign. I think it was on ESPN.

[AgentOrange]

I tend to agree. But Johnson is a tempting guy to have. I just felt that this was the year that they would begin building through the draft.

By the way I also saw that Suggs may be franchised if he doesn't re-sign. I think it was on ESPN.


Yeah, I saw that. I have no problem with the franchise tag to re organize things for this year. I am not really sure what to do with him yet. I would like to see Suggs break out again, but that is for another thread.

[bryanman8]

Bryan, I love your enthusiasm. But the Redskins are much more than a receiver away from contending. And to do that they need to utilize the draft. Look at the guys you referenced. Owens was a free agent. I don't think he cost the Cowyboys any picks because he was released by the Eagles. Moss was traded for one fourth round pick.

Hey, I'd love to see a healthy Santana be able to get one on one coverage with no safety help. But this team is need of a corner, DE, Offensive line help, possibly linebacker help if McIntosh doesn't recover. The draft is where they'll get that help.

Who knows what it'll take to get Chad Johnson. By the way I like him a lot. Based off of Redskins history, they'll overpay.

By the way, another receiver out there who'll end up drawing their interest through a trade will be Roy Williams.
Just because Owens and Moss were insanely undervalued doesn't mean you shouldn't give up a lot to get a guy of their caliber. Are you telling me that if the Raiders had just asked for the 21st pick in the draft for Moss, in hindsight, you wouldn't have done it? Heck, I may have given up the top pick for him. Those guys were incredibly undervalued, yes, but if the league now is going to value Chad correctly, I'd still give up a 1st or 2nd, as well as a third, rounder to get him. If we get into our first this year and next year or something then obviously I'm far less interested and don't want to lose picks to that extent for a guy I think isn't going to be part of a winning team in Cincy anyway. However, with the WaPo's rumored cost you mentioned right now, I'm all for it.

As for other needs you mentioned:
CB: Blache is expected to push incredibly hard for Springs to be re-signed, in which case we have the same solid core from last year, in addition to hopefully Rogers being back healthy as his recovery has apparently finally started to go well. Springs, Smoot, Rogers, and Torrence are all very solid players. Use a late-round pick on a sleeper there as well and we're set.

DE: Agreed completely, our #1 hole on the defensive side as I said. You use your top pick on a DE this year, no question. If it happens to be a 2nd rounder because the 1st was traded, that's fine. Carter and a Daniels/Wilson (really like Wilson, btw, he's a heckuva passrusher, just needs to learn to do a bit more) platoon for one more year if the guy's not ready to start just yet is fine.

Offensive line: I think we're pretty set here. The plan is apparently to make Lorenzo Alexander a full-time OL which I think is a very good idea. We've got Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen, Wade, Heyer, and Alexander there. That's a ton of depth. If we cut Jansen or something I might agree but assuming we keep the mix of vets and the two great youngsters we found, believe it or not, without any draft picks (both Heyer and Alexander were undrafted), I think we're in very good shape there.

Linebacker: I'm pretty sure they'll get Lance Briggs. Not definite, but Snyder usually gets his guy one way or another. If not, McIntosh's forecast is better than they thought initially and he should be ready for the start of the season.

Good call on Roy Williams. If Chad doesn't work out, there's a good number of other options--Zorn might also want to bring along D.J. Hackett from Seattle. Still, I think Johnson has the effect TO and Moss have on offenses, and that just makes them explosive, top-3 in the league-esque. I think he'd do the same for us.

[backwardsk]

Just because Owens and Moss were insanely undervalued doesn't mean you shouldn't give up a lot to get a guy of their caliber. Are you telling me that if the Raiders had just asked for the 21st pick in the draft for Moss, in hindsight, you wouldn't have done it? Heck, I may have given up the top pick for him. Those guys were incredibly undervalued, yes, but if the league now is going to value Chad correctly, I'd still give up a 1st or 2nd, as well as a third, rounder to get him. If we get into our first this year and next year or something then obviously I'm far less interested and don't want to lose picks to that extent for a guy I think isn't going to be part of a winning team in Cincy anyway. However, with the WaPo's rumored cost you mentioned right now, I'm all for it.

As for other needs you mentioned:
CB: Blache is expected to push incredibly hard for Springs to be re-signed, in which case we have the same solid core from last year, in addition to hopefully Rogers being back healthy as his recovery has apparently finally started to go well. Springs, Smoot, Rogers, and Torrence are all very solid players. Use a late-round pick on a sleeper there as well and we're set.

DE: Agreed completely, our #1 hole on the defensive side as I said. You use your top pick on a DE this year, no question. If it happens to be a 2nd rounder because the 1st was traded, that's fine. Carter and a Daniels/Wilson (really like Wilson, btw, he's a heckuva passrusher, just needs to learn to do a bit more) platoon for one more year if the guy's not ready to start just yet is fine.

Offensive line: I think we're pretty set here. The plan is apparently to make Lorenzo Alexander a full-time OL which I think is a very good idea. We've got Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen, Wade, Heyer, and Alexander there. That's a ton of depth. If we cut Jansen or something I might agree but assuming we keep the mix of vets and the two great youngsters we found, believe it or not, without any draft picks (both Heyer and Alexander were undrafted), I think we're in very good shape there.

Linebacker: I'm pretty sure they'll get Lance Briggs. Not definite, but Snyder usually gets his guy one way or another. If not, McIntosh's forecast is better than they thought initially and he should be ready for the start of the season.

Good call on Roy Williams. If Chad doesn't work out, there's a good number of other options--Zorn might also want to bring along D.J. Hackett from Seattle. Still, I think Johnson has the effect TO and Moss have on offenses, and that just makes them explosive, top-3 in the league-esque. I think he'd do the same for us.

And this is where we'll see how much influence Zorn has, if any, in personnel. Why not just pick up Hackett and keep the 1st and 3rd? Snyder wants to make the big splash. But I think there is more value in Hackett, a 1st, and 3rd than just C Johnson. Obviously, Johnson is better. But Zorn knows Hackett and his presence will help out Moss and ARE.

I'm hesitant to put much stock into Rogers' and McIntosh's recovery reports until training camp. These were both difficult injuries for guys who play their positions. I'd rather have more insurance back there. Smoot's play late last year was inspiring, but he's better off slated for the nickel slot instead of a starter. I'm just worried that going into the season with Springs, Smoot and Rogers as the primary corners is risky.

I love Alexander and Heyer. And I love the fact that Bugel, so far, has been retained. I'm a little skeptical of Alexander on the line in a passing attack because of his wingspan (according to the Post article) All of the projected starters don't have too many years left in the tank, with the exception of maybe Samuals. IMO, you got to get a guy (maybe in the third round) and groom them.

I just think a first and 3rd this year is too much, especially if you can get Williams or Hackett for less.

[O'sHeelsFan]

And this is where we'll see how much influence Zorn has, if any, in personnel. Why not just pick up Hackett and keep the 1st and 3rd? Snyder wants to make the big splash. But I think there is more value in Hackett, a 1st, and 3rd than just C Johnson. Obviously, Johnson is better. But Zorn knows Hackett and his presence will help out Moss and ARE.

I'm hesitant to put much stock into Rogers' and McIntosh's recovery reports until training camp. These were both difficult injuries for guys who play their positions. I'd rather have more insurance back there. Smoot's play late last year was inspiring, but he's better off slated for the nickel slot instead of a starter. I'm just worried that going into the season with Springs, Smoot and Rogers as the primary corners is risky.

I love Alexander and Heyer. And I love the fact that Bugel, so far, has been retained. I'm a little skeptical of Alexander on the line in a passing attack because of his wingspan (according to the Post article) All of the projected starters don't have too many years left in the tank, with the exception of maybe Samuals. IMO, you got to get a guy (maybe in the third round) and groom them.

I just think a first and 3rd this year is too much, especially if you can get Williams or Hackett for less.

My guess on Zorn's influence is that it will be little to none at all. Unfortunately Cerrato has they keys to this ship, and I believe that he is the one with the hard-on for a team full of 'stars'.

I prefer the Ravens' way of doing things in regards to developing a team, but I have made my peace with the fact that the Skins just are not going to do it like that. They haven't valued picks since the Beathard years. At least when Snyder/Cerrato go after a 'star' player, the guys not 35 years old, like when they went after Bruce Smith and Deion Sanders. Johnson has some good years left in him, and would be a good pickup if the price is right. But you can't give up two #1's for him. And they shouldn't give up Betts, either. He is signed to an affordable deal, and Portis' could get hurt at any time, even though he did well in that regard this year. I also think Betts could do well in the WCO.

Gibbs' retirement really might have set this team back a few years (again). I hope I am wrong, and I get a good vibe from Zorn, so maybe I am.

[O'sHeelsFan]

And by the way, I am on board with getting Roy Williams instead of Johnson. I like CJ's antics, watching on Sportscenter. But I don't think I want it on the Skins - it could disrupt the whole Sean Taylor/We are Family vibe the team has going on

Of course, Gibbs being gone may have disrupted that already...

Is Williams really available? If he is cheaper, I'd be all over that.

[Mad Mark]

And by the way, I am on board with getting Roy Williams instead of Johnson. I like CJ's antics, watching on Sportscenter. But I don't think I want it on the Skins - it could disrupt the whole Sean Taylor/We are Family vibe the team has going on

Of course, Gibbs being gone may have disrupted that already...

Is Williams really available? If he is cheaper, I'd be all over that.

With the 2nd Leaving of Gibbs, the "release" of Williams and Saunders, and expected departures of guys like Rock Cartwright and James Thrash, you can say that the "vibe" is as dead as Sean Taylor is.

[backwardsk]

My guess on Zorn's influence is that it will be little to none at all. Unfortunately Cerrato has they keys to this ship, and I believe that he is the one with the hard-on for a team full of 'stars'.

I prefer the Ravens' way of doing things in regards to developing a team, but I have made my peace with the fact that the Skins just are not going to do it like that. They haven't valued picks since the Beathard years. At least when Snyder/Cerrato go after a 'star' player, the guys not 35 years old, like when they went after Bruce Smith and Deion Sanders. Johnson has some good years left in him, and would be a good pickup if the price is right. But you can't give up two #1's for him. And they shouldn't give up Betts, either. He is signed to an affordable deal, and Portis' could get hurt at any time, even though he did well in that regard this year. I also think Betts could do well in the WCO.

Gibbs' retirement really might have set this team back a few years (again). I hope I am wrong, and I get a good vibe from Zorn, so maybe I am.

It's hard to tell, but yesterday on the John Riggins Show, Zorn said that he'll be actively involved in personnel. Whether or not that is true, we'll soon find out.

I mentioned Williams because I had read those rumors on another board after Martz left. I'm sure it's just speculation, and my guess is that they'll dangle him hoping to get a good return.

[O'sHeelsFan]

With the 2nd Leaving of Gibbs, the "release" of Williams and Saunders, and expected departures of guys like Rock Cartwright and James Thrash, you can say that the "vibe" is as dead as Sean Taylor is.

Rather crudely said ;) but I agree with you, unfortunately.

[O'sHeelsFan]

It's hard to tell, but yesterday on the John Riggins Show, Zorn said that he'll be actively involved in personnel. Whether or not that is true, we'll soon find out.

I mentioned Williams because I had read those rumors on another board after Martz left. I'm sure it's just speculation, and my guess is that they'll dangle him hoping to get a good return.

I wonder if Williams might cost more than Chad Johnson though? He is younger, and you have to think that Millen would be under a lot of pressure to get a first rounder plus for him, given the high draft pick that was used on him in first place (and the fact they drafted all those receivers in the first round for years on end). Speaking of that, isn't Charles Rogers available? :D

[backwardsk]

I wonder if Williams might cost more than Chad Johnson though? He is younger, and you have to think that Millen would be under a lot of pressure to get a first rounder plus for him, given the high draft pick that was used on him in first place (and the fact they drafted all those receivers in the first round for years on end). Speaking of that, isn't Charles Rogers available? :D

My guess is that they'll dangle Williams to see what they can get. If it's a big take, then they'll do it. If not, they'll bring him back. I could see him go for a 2nd and 3rd rounder though. I don't think the Bengals and Lions will let either of these guys go cheaply.

I like the Rogers angle. Maybe Mike Williams can come in also. Pair those guys up with Brandon Lloyd, bring back Rod Gardner, and find out if Michael Westbrook is done fighting. Now that's a WR corp. :D

[O'sHeelsFan]

My guess is that they'll dangle Williams to see what they can get. If it's a big take, then they'll do it. If not, they'll bring him back. I could see him go for a 2nd and 3rd rounder though. I don't think the Bengals and Lions will let either of these guys go cheaply.

I like the Rogers angle. Maybe Mike Williams can come in also. Pair those guys up with Brandon Lloyd, bring back Rod Gardner, and find out if Michael Westbrook is done fighting. Now that's a WR corp. :D

I think out of all of those guys, Gardner was the biggest disappointment for me. Not relative to draft status or anything, but he just seemed like the kind of guy who would realize his potential. I saw him as an Art Monk type, which is precisely what we need now...