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DoobyDoo
02-14-2008, 02:52 PM
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/indianajones.html?showVideo=1

Mackus
02-14-2008, 02:55 PM
Hmm...can't say the trailer looks awesome.

NewMarketSean
02-14-2008, 02:56 PM
It's a teaser, so they're not showing much.

I think it looks very much like the older movies, so that is good. I was worried about continuity. There are a lot of CGI effects from what I could tell, but its to be expected. Overall, I am excited.

DuffMan
02-14-2008, 02:57 PM
Hmm...can't say the trailer looks awesome.

I second that motion.

I'm not sure what I was expecting the trailer to be, but that wasn't it. Having said that I still plan on seeing this movie when it comes out.

DuffMan
02-14-2008, 02:58 PM
It's a teaser, so they're not showing much.

I think it looks very much like the older movies, so that is good. I was worried about continuity. There are a lot of CGI effects from what I could tell, but its to be expected. Overall, I am excited.

I heard if Ford wasn't going to do the movie George Lucas was just going to use a CGI Indy!

NewMarketSean
02-14-2008, 02:58 PM
I second that motion.

I'm not sure what I was expecting the trailer to be, but that wasn't it. Having said that I still plan on seeing this movie when it comes out.

What would make it "awesome" though? Indy movies are very much about character. Hard to make that come through in a teaser trailer.

Mackus
02-14-2008, 03:40 PM
I hope this movie isn't 2 hours of Indy making "jokes" about how old he is now. We get it, he's older. Make a few jokes about it and then just go back to kicking a**.

The Wedge
02-14-2008, 04:12 PM
They were making jokes about his age in the first one.

Mackus
02-14-2008, 04:25 PM
Not for the entire movie. It just seemed like a lot of that teaser was about him being old. The actual movie could be completely different.

The Wedge
02-14-2008, 04:41 PM
Not for the entire movie. It just seemed like a lot of that teaser was about him being old. The actual movie could be completely different.

Beyond the "not as easy as it used to be" part, what else was pointing out his age? Everything else seemed to be classic Indy, that "I get myself in to situations and half bungle my way out of it" adventure. The bit where he undershoots the one car and ends up crashing backwards through the windshield of the one behind it is so classically Indy that I had to watch it twice. Reminds me of when he goes for his gun in Temple and it's not there.

tennOsfan
02-14-2008, 04:42 PM
It looks like it'll be the usual great fun.

Objectivity
02-15-2008, 09:56 AM
The movie will probably be good, but I think the trailer looks like "We'll give them some crap and they'll be happy."

The lady yelling where you can have hear what she says but it has nothing to do with the trailer feels like amateur editing and the car chase along the side of the cliff looks CGI fake - hopefully it will be better.

That and the "I thought you were a teacher" line at the end didn't make much sense. I know what it wanted to be, but it just failed miserably.

JourneyFan
02-15-2008, 11:08 AM
...the car chase along the side of the cliff looks CGI fake - hopefully it will be better.



Steven Spielberg is a master (and probably the best) at seamless CGI, so I wouldn't be even the slightest bit concerned about anything looking fake.

And the trailer has me psyched.

Sports Guy
02-15-2008, 11:48 AM
Trailer was fine...Looking forward to it...Makes me want to watch the other 3.

Mark Carver
02-15-2008, 02:07 PM
There is no doubt that I'll catch it at the theater on May 22nd and not wait for the DVD, like I normally do. For me, these types of films are what is good about movies and I am sure Steven Spielberg will not fail. He didn't need to make the 4th Indy Jones, but I am glad he did.

More info and special featured shorts can be found at Official Indiana Jones Site (http://www.indianajones.com/site/index.html)

Jimbo81
02-16-2008, 10:59 PM
Any music written by John Williams gets me pumped......except during the damn World Series in freakin' Fennway.:eek: :eek: :eek:

BaltimoreTerp
02-17-2008, 01:44 AM
Man, that trailer has me PUMPED!

Dipper9
02-18-2008, 08:49 PM
Man, that trailer has me PUMPED!

I just watched it. Wife and I are going for sure! Been waiting a long time for this one!

O'sHeelsFan
02-19-2008, 09:46 AM
I agree the trailer got me excited, looks like the same old Indy, which is a great thing, of course. I just wish the title was better. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull? What is the deal w/ Lucas and these lamo titles? Phantom Menace? Crystal Skull?

Who was the actress w/ the black hair? I recognized her a little but couldn't place her :confused:

Jimbo81
03-08-2008, 07:22 PM
I agree the trailer got me excited, looks like the same old Indy, which is a great thing, of course. I just wish the title was better. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull? What is the deal w/ Lucas and these lamo titles? Phantom Menace? Crystal Skull?

Who was the actress w/ the black hair? I recognized her a little but couldn't place her :confused:

I think it was Kate Blanchet(sp)

The Wedge
03-08-2008, 07:28 PM
Definitely Cate Blanchett.

And the deal with the titles is that both he, and Spielberg, loved the serials of their youths. Indiana Jones and The Temple of Doom probably sounded all weird back in 84.

Mark Carver
05-02-2008, 07:47 AM
Saw my first trailer for this on commercial TV. It's getting close people.

The Wedge
05-08-2008, 10:57 AM
I'm getting so excited, I blogged about it. Going back to about a year ago when I was excited simply because I knew it was being made, and threw out what I thought might be a good plot. I revisit it and I actually didn't do half bad. Blog link is in my signature. As it always is.

Mark Carver
05-15-2008, 05:35 PM
Just placed my order for tickets for opening day Thursday at Regals Hunt Valley theater... through Fandango.

Tank
05-18-2008, 12:29 PM
Heres a short, early review from Entertainment Weekly:

http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/05/heres-your-hat.html

DoobyDoo
05-18-2008, 03:04 PM
Heres a short, early review from Entertainment Weekly:

http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/05/heres-your-hat.html

It also has eleven reviews on rotten tomatoes now:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/indiana_jones_4/

7 fresh, 4 rotten, so in the early going, the response is mixed. Eleven reviews doesn’t mean much, though.

KingCrim
05-19-2008, 09:54 AM
I'm having some reservations about this movie. Why? No nazis. Look at indy's track record: first movie is awesome and has nazis, second movie is more action oriented but crummy with a lame sidekick and no nazis, third movie is amazing because it has Sean Connery and a whole lot of nazis. Now, this one will have commies, which might be a start. But I don't know if commies are a good substitute for nazis. We shall see.

DREKTUNES
05-19-2008, 10:19 AM
I'm having some reservations about this movie. Why? No nazis. Look at indy's track record: first movie is awesome and has nazis, second movie is more action oriented but crummy with a lame sidekick and no nazis, third movie is amazing because it has Sean Connery and a whole lot of nazis. Now, this one will have commies, which might be a start. But I don't know if commies are a good substitute for nazis. We shall see.

If only it had Commie Nazis (www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=22620).

NewMarketSean
05-19-2008, 10:45 AM
Definitely excited for this movie, but I am not expecting the best movie of all time.

Let's face it, Raiders and Crusade are fun adventure movies. That's it. This ain't The Godfather. If Kingdom delivers some good action, some good one liners and a smattering of tense situations that we all know Indy is going to survive, I'll be happy.

Temple of Doom was about as good as the poison date that the monkey ate in Raiders and died. Even Nazi's couldn't have saved that stinker.

The Wedge
05-19-2008, 06:42 PM
God, all the Temple of Doom hate. it's got some really awesome moments.

But I agree about it being fun adventure movies.

And I'm glad they didn't try to shoehorn Nazi's in to a movie where Indy is clearly quite older than the fall of the Third Reich.

I was talking to a friend the other day about this, and the Ray Winstone character was referenced in EW as Indy's old WWII friend. But Indy was like early -mid 40s when the US entered WWII...so you know what would be kinda cool? If he were recruited in to the OSS because of his experiences with the Nazi's, especially infiltrating Germany.

NewMarketSean
05-20-2008, 09:17 AM
God, all the Temple of Doom hate. it's got some really awesome moments.

But I agree about it being fun adventure movies.

And I'm glad they didn't try to shoehorn Nazi's in to a movie where Indy is clearly quite older than the fall of the Third Reich.

I was talking to a friend the other day about this, and the Ray Winstone character was referenced in EW as Indy's old WWII friend. But Indy was like early -mid 40s when the US entered WWII...so you know what would be kinda cool? If he were recruited in to the OSS because of his experiences with the Nazi's, especially infiltrating Germany.

I think at some point, you have to get away from Germany and the Nazi's.

I am not crazy about jungle settings in movies, especially Indy movies since I didn't like ToD. So I am a little reserved about Kingdom, but I still can't wait to see the movie.

DREKTUNES
05-20-2008, 12:13 PM
God, all the Temple of Doom hate. it's got some really awesome moments.


And some truly truly terrible ones. Didn't Lucas or Speilberg pretty much say that the third movie was an apology for the 2nd one?

KingCrim
05-20-2008, 12:22 PM
Yeah, it's kind of sad because I liked the idea of a beefed up indy in the second one. Running around with a sword, taking names and kicking butt. I think the movie suffers from "Scrappy Doo" syndrome. That kid was so annoying...

DREKTUNES
05-20-2008, 12:33 PM
Yeah, it's kind of sad because I liked the idea of a beefed up indy in the second one. Running around with a sword, taking names and kicking butt. I think the movie suffers from "Scrappy Doo" syndrome. That kid was so annoying...

It suffers from a lot of things, not the least of which is the horribly annoying woman in the lead role.

Of course, "Indy! Cover your chest!!" has always been a personal favorite line, so it's not all bad.

Dipper9
05-20-2008, 12:54 PM
It suffers from a lot of things, not the least of which is the horribly annoying woman in the lead role.

Of course, "Indy! Cover your chest!!" has always been a personal favorite line, so it's not all bad.

I liked when they are in the room and the ceiling is coming down, and the woman won't pull the lever to free them, and Indy looks through the little hole and yells..."WE....ARE GOING.....TO DIE!"

The Wedge
05-20-2008, 01:57 PM
It suffers from a lot of things, not the least of which is the horribly annoying woman in the lead role.

Of course, "Indy! Cover your chest!!" has always been a personal favorite line, so it's not all bad.

It's "cover your heart!!" but who's checking...

DREKTUNES
05-20-2008, 02:03 PM
It's "cover your heart!!" but who's checking...

Well obviously you are. And yes, I Googled before I responded. Jeeeeeeeerk. ;)

PeteCanes
05-20-2008, 05:38 PM
Short Round hatred...


The only bad part of ToD was Willie Scott, but Shorty managed to put her in her place.

"You call him Dr. Jones, Doll."

DREKTUNES
05-21-2008, 10:39 AM
Wow, saw the trailer on TV last night. That did not look like ILM. It looked like some SciFi Channel show. Iffy effects makin me mad.

BaltimoreTerp
05-22-2008, 07:00 PM
http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/movies/reviews/bal-li.indy22may22,0,900628.story

So...I think Michael Sragow might like the movie a little...

Crazy O
05-24-2008, 06:08 PM
I saw it today...it was fun. Not a great movie but its fun to watch for a adventure movie...

The Wedge
05-24-2008, 06:37 PM
It is what it is. An Indy movie. I had fun with it.

Maybe a bit too much CGI, but both Lucas and Spielberg have used effects before when they could. Doesn't surprise me that they over did it a bit this time out.

Objectivity
05-25-2008, 10:33 PM
I so want to talk about this movie but don't think it's been out long enough unless it's a separate spoilers thread.

Let's just say that the first 90 minutes was everything I wanted an Indiana Jones movie to be and the last 30 minutes reminded me of the worst Spielberg movie I ever saw in my life. That previous movie was so hideous it made me skip several of his movies after it because I was afraid I'd have to suffer through such crap again. I don't think this was quite that bad, although from now until the end of time a movie whose review includes "George Lucas had script approval" is a movie that has to prove itself not to suck.

Pedro Cerrano
05-26-2008, 06:57 PM
I so want to talk about this movie but don't think it's been out long enough unless it's a separate spoilers thread.

Let's just say that the first 90 minutes was everything I wanted an Indiana Jones movie to be and the last 30 minutes reminded me of the worst Spielberg movie I ever saw in my life. That previous movie was so hideous it made me skip several of his movies after it because I was afraid I'd have to suffer through such crap again. I don't think this was quite that bad, although from now until the end of time a movie whose review includes "George Lucas had script approval" is a movie that has to prove itself not to suck.

Are you talking about A.I.? Because the last 30 mins of that movie was all Kubrick...

Lester Freamon
05-26-2008, 07:10 PM
Here is a very positive review written by Keith Uhlich over at The House Next Door (http://mattzollerseitz.blogspot.com/2008/05/migration-and-exodus-indiana-jones-and.html). There is also a lengthy comment left by Matt Zoller Seitz (my personal favorite critic writing these days), also quite positive.

If you really enjoyed the movie, like me, you'll probably like reading this review.

Icterus galbula
05-26-2008, 08:23 PM
I'm watching Temple of Doom right now. Its been a while, so I'm enjoying it. I just refuse to let Shorty get me down, either: can't fight it, but its enjoyable if you ride it.

Objectivity
05-27-2008, 10:10 AM
Are you talking about A.I.? Because the last 30 mins of that movie was all Kubrick...

I disliked all of AI. It was a painful experience and almost three hours of my life that I'll never get back. I understand that it was Spielberg channeling Kubrick, so I don't think Spielberg deserves the blame (or Kubrick for that matter), but it's level of badness was such that it made my wife forget all the good movies Spielberg had done. When Minority Report came out, I had to twist her arm to go to the theater (and my own to a lesser degree) because she didn't want to "suffer through another AI." I would even go as far as saying that we didn't see War of the Worlds in the theater because of the AI hangover. It's a movie that wasn't a huge attraction to us, but it would have gone on the "to see" list because of Spielberg. Instead it went on the "can miss" list because of AI.

In regard to Indiana Jones, I was loving it. I looked at my watch at one point and couldn't believe we were 90 minutes in already. The pacing was great and the movie was enjoyable. Then the third act began. From what I've read, this was the sticking point between Ford, Spielberg and Lucas. All three had to agree to a script and Lucas refused to greenlight any script without this crap in it. I can almost see the conversation of Ford and Spielberg to Lucus. "Ok, George. We're going to create the best Indy movie we can imagine. If you don't ruin our part we'll give you the final half hour and hopefully everything we've done will make people overlook your ending."

The sad thing is, that the ploy worked. I'd give the last half hour one star (or less) but the movie as a whole would probably still get three stars from me. I would just make sure that people understood that the movie builds and builds to one of the greatest letdowns you could possibly imagine from an adventure movie.

Pedro Cerrano
05-27-2008, 12:09 PM
I disliked all of AI. It was a painful experience and almost three hours of my life that I'll never get back. I understand that it was Spielberg channeling Kubrick, so I don't think Spielberg deserves the blame (or Kubrick for that matter), but it's level of badness was such that it made my wife forget all the good movies Spielberg had done. When Minority Report came out, I had to twist her arm to go to the theater (and my own to a lesser degree) because she didn't want to "suffer through another AI." I would even go as far as saying that we didn't see War of the Worlds in the theater because of the AI hangover. It's a movie that wasn't a huge attraction to us, but it would have gone on the "to see" list because of Spielberg. Instead it went on the "can miss" list because of AI.

In regard to Indiana Jones, I was loving it. I looked at my watch at one point and couldn't believe we were 90 minutes in already. The pacing was great and the movie was enjoyable. Then the third act began. From what I've read, this was the sticking point between Ford, Spielberg and Lucas. All three had to agree to a script and Lucas refused to greenlight any script without this crap in it. I can almost see the conversation of Ford and Spielberg to Lucus. "Ok, George. We're going to create the best Indy movie we can imagine. If you don't ruin our part we'll give you the final half hour and hopefully everything we've done will make people overlook your ending."

The sad thing is, that the ploy worked. I'd give the last half hour one star (or less) but the movie as a whole would probably still get three stars from me. I would just make sure that people understood that the movie builds and builds to one of the greatest letdowns you could possibly imagine from an adventure movie.


This post (with respect to the Indy movie) pretty much channels my feelings exactly. I won't ruin the ending for anyone but let's just say that it was one of the most ridiculous endings to any movie. Give me a freaking break.

And yes, the movie was enjoyable up to that point (although the level of ridiculousness increased with each passing moment -- they survived falling off three waterfalls -- really?)

The Wedge
05-27-2008, 12:17 PM
And yes, the movie was enjoyable up to that point (although the level of ridiculousness increased with each passing moment -- they survived falling off three waterfalls -- really?)

It's an Indy movie. He survived jumping out of a plane with the help of an inflatable raft...you gotta sort of go with the flow here.

And I'm sorry, but the ending was no less ridiculous to me than a chest that, when opened, spews avenging angels who like to melt faces. Or a cult leader who can pull the still beating heart out of a mans chest and have the man still live until being burned alive. Etc, and so forth.

I saw someone point out somewhere that a LOT of the complaints about this movie are the same sort of complaints that Raiders of the Lost Ark had for the first few months after it was released. Which is kind of interesting.

That being said, you could tell there was some creative butting heads just from the interviews. But they wanted to capture 50s sci-fi yarns in the Indy-verse. I thought they did a good job doing that.

The Wedge
05-27-2008, 12:33 PM
Oh, and so we're clear: It's not Raiders, and it's not Crusade. But it's still an Indy movie and I think people went in to it either a) way overhyping what it they were gonna see or b) looking for things to tear it up over.

And clearly, the most ridiculous thing in the entire movie was the fridge. It was still an Indy moment, but only Indiana Jones in an Indiana Jones movie survives that.

Pedro Cerrano
05-27-2008, 01:38 PM
Oh, and so we're clear: It's not Raiders, and it's not Crusade. But it's still an Indy movie and I think people went in to it either a) way overhyping what it they were gonna see or b) looking for things to tear it up over.

And clearly, the most ridiculous thing in the entire movie was the fridge. It was still an Indy moment, but only Indiana Jones in an Indiana Jones movie survives that.

I'd go with that or Mutt turning into Tarzan.

Oh yea, and driving the car off a cliff onto a tree branch -- tad ridiculous.

Who knows, maybe the ending will survive the test of time and will be accept like the ending of Raiders. I dunno, maybe it's because of what the whole ending centered around that sorta made me weirded out who knows.

The Wedge
05-27-2008, 01:47 PM
Yeah, I sorta blocked Mutt becoming Tarzan. I liked the carboat bit, though. Thought it was a good Marion moment. She didn't have much else to do, besides that nice "I don't think he thinks that far ahead" line.

Pedro Cerrano
05-27-2008, 01:49 PM
Yeah, I sorta blocked Mutt becoming Tarzan. I liked the carboat bit, though. Thought it was a good Marion moment. She didn't have much else to do, besides that nice "I don't think he thinks that far ahead" line.

The carboat bit was fine but when she drove the friggin thing onto a tree branch and it slowly lowered them into the water, about 50% of the theater let out a collective groan.

The Wedge
05-27-2008, 01:52 PM
The carboat bit was fine but when she drove the friggin thing onto a tree branch and it slowly lowered them into the water, about 50% of the theater let out a collective groan.

Yet had Indy done it, they probably would have cheered.

But to be fair, I figured they'd just land in the water, with Indy clearly forgetting what type of vehicle they were in. I just got a kick out of Marion's smug look. It was clearly a "finally got one up on YOU, Jones," look.

Mark Carver
05-27-2008, 02:22 PM
Oh, and so we're clear: It's not Raiders, and it's not Crusade. But it's still an Indy movie and I think people went in to it either a) way overhyping what it they were gonna see or b) looking for things to tear it up over.

And clearly, the most ridiculous thing in the entire movie was the fridge. It was still an Indy moment, but only Indiana Jones in an Indiana Jones movie survives that.

Uh yeah! I thought no friggin' way!

Camden_yardbird
05-27-2008, 07:21 PM
PersonallyI think Lucas needs to stick to Christian mythology. He understands it quite a bit better and the movies reflect that. It was clear he did not know what to do with Mesoamerican mythology, and struggled with Asian mythology. Maybe if he went with far east myths it would be good.

I mean who wouldn't want to see Indy and Jackie Chan in the same movie.

BaltimoreTerp
05-27-2008, 08:02 PM
PersonallyI think Lucas needs to stick to Christian mythology. He understands it quite a bit better and the movies reflect that. It was clear he did not know what to do with Mesoamerican mythology, and struggled with Asian mythology. Maybe if he went with far east myths it would be good.

I mean who wouldn't want to see Indy and Jackie Chan in the same movie.

The grown-up Shorty! :eektf:

Objectivity
05-29-2008, 07:30 PM
And I'm sorry, but the ending was no less ridiculous to me than a chest that, when opened, spews avenging angels who like to melt faces. Or a cult leader who can pull the still beating heart out of a mans chest and have the man still live until being burned alive. Etc, and so forth.


I don't mind ridiculous. I mind stupid. It's a two-hour long action adventure movie, except they leave out the action and the adventure in the climax. Instead, it's replaced with a bunch of crap that was cleared in the movie only because it couldn't get made any other way.

The other Indy movies left you talking about what happened in a good way. You bought into the hijinks. In this one, there was nothing to buy into. The person who insisted on that ending wanted to force the audience on a journey that no one wanted to take.

NewMarketSean
06-01-2008, 05:47 PM
I didn't like it. I wanted to like it. I did like the first hour. The second half of the movie is horrible. I've never seen Hook, but this is up there with Speilberg's worst. Worst than The Lost World. They turned a ground-in-reality adventure character and turned him into a cartoony action hero... at 65! Too much bad CGI, too much unblievable action and not enough mystery. The skull was silly looking and the whole backstory behind it was goofy.

That said it is a fun movie if you turn your IQ down to 4, but Indiana Jones movies are supposed to be more than this. I'm no fan of ToD, but I'd put that ahead of this.

Raiders ****
Crusade ****
ToD **1/2
Skull **

Pedro Cerrano
06-01-2008, 06:23 PM
I didn't like it. I wanted to like it. I did like the first hour. The second half of the movie is horrible. I've never seen Hook, but this is up there with Speilberg's worst. Worst than The Lost World. They turned a ground-in-reality adventure character and turned him into a cartoony action hero... at 65! Too much bad CGI, too much unblievable action and not enough mystery. The skull was silly looking and the whole backstory behind it was goofy.

That said it is a fun movie if you turn your IQ down to 4, but Indiana Jones movies are supposed to be more than this. I'm no fan of ToD, but I'd put that ahead of this.

Raiders ****
Crusade ****
ToD **1/2
Skull **

Yea, I still don't get why the main bad guy bit it in the end...can someone explain?

The more I think about it, the more I dislike this film.

DuffMan
06-02-2008, 07:29 AM
Yea, I still don't get why the main bad guy bit it in the end...can someone explain?

The more I think about it, the more I dislike this film.

I just try not to think about it much at all.

NewMarketSean
06-02-2008, 09:09 AM
I guess all the knowledge flooding her brain caused her to disintegrate?

Jagwar
06-09-2008, 04:38 PM
I didn't like it. I wanted to like it. I did like the first hour. The second half of the movie is horrible. I've never seen Hook, but this is up there with Speilberg's worst. Worst than The Lost World. They turned a ground-in-reality adventure character and turned him into a cartoony action hero... at 65! Too much bad CGI, too much unblievable action and not enough mystery. The skull was silly looking and the whole backstory behind it was goofy.

That said it is a fun movie if you turn your IQ down to 4, but Indiana Jones movies are supposed to be more than this. I'm no fan of ToD, but I'd put that ahead of this.

Raiders ****
Crusade ****
ToD **1/2
Skull **

I'm with you 100% Sean, though I think I would cut 50% of your rating on Skull. I honestly had no clue going into the theater that the movie had anything to do with that alien/Area 51 drivel. Once we found out the skull was actually an alien, I heard someone say "Come on, are you serious?"

I can remember the audience cheering at many parts in Raiders, and also laughing at clever lines/scenes. The theater for Skull was pretty much silent from beginning to end.

The only reason I didn't walk out of this movie was because it was Indiana Jones, and I just couldn't walk out on Indiana Jones.

Jagwar
06-09-2008, 04:41 PM
My other thought was what a massive waste to use John Hurt that way.

:noidea:

NewMarketSean
06-09-2008, 04:45 PM
SPOILERS!

It was always going to be about aliens, even from the very beginning of the script stage back in the 90's. And is the end of Raiders really that much more believable than aliens? Both are jumps in logic, but Raiders earned it. By the end of Skull, I was rolling my eyes.

I have no problem with the alien stuff, I just think it was handled very poorly.

Jagwar
06-09-2008, 04:54 PM
SPOILERS!

It was always going to be about aliens, even from the very beginning of the script stage back in the 90's. And is the end of Raiders really that much more believable than aliens? Both are jumps in logic, but Raiders earned it. By the end of Skull, I was rolling my eyes.

I have no problem with the alien stuff, I just think it was handled very poorly.

True, deities and aliens both require the same jumps. But call me naive, but I had no clue that IJ4 was going down the X-files path.

And I agree, it was handled poorly

Objectivity
06-10-2008, 02:17 PM
SPOILERS!

It was always going to be about aliens, even from the very beginning of the script stage back in the 90's. And is the end of Raiders really that much more believable than aliens? Both are jumps in logic, but Raiders earned it. By the end of Skull, I was rolling my eyes.

I have no problem with the alien stuff, I just think it was handled very poorly.

I'm curious to eventually see Frank Darabont's script. My guess is that it had the alien element but set it up so you could believe or disbelieve and discuss what it meant (like with Raiders). Unfortunately, Lucas rejected that one. My guess, based on the Star Wars prequels is that he's tired of audiences creating their own mythology around his work, he wants to overly define every moment so he doesn't lose control.

NewMarketSean
06-10-2008, 02:19 PM
I'm curious to eventually see Frank Darabont's script. My guess is that it had the alien element but set it up so you could believe or disbelieve and discuss what it meant (like with Raiders). Unfortunately, Lucas rejected that one. My guess, based on the Star Wars prequels is that he's tired of audiences creating their own mythology around his work, he wants to overly define every moment so he doesn't lose control.

Word is Speilberg loved it and Lucas hated it. Judging on Lucas' ability to write a script (see TPM, AOTC and ROTS) I'll defer to Steven on this one. I bet Darabont's script was the best of the bunch.

DuffMan
06-10-2008, 02:46 PM
Word is Speilberg loved it and Lucas hated it. Judging on Lucas' ability to write a script (see TPM, AOTC and ROTS) I'll defer to Steven on this one. I bet Darabont's script was the best of the bunch.

You forgot to mention Return of the Jedi. That would've been different as well if curious George didn't feel the need to change that too.

The Wedge
06-10-2008, 03:26 PM
You forgot to mention Return of the Jedi. That would've been different as well if curious George didn't feel the need to change that too.

Or if he had gotten David Lynch to direct.

twoBshorty
06-22-2008, 02:51 AM
Just saw this today. Verdict: Eh. I went hoping for some nice fight scenes, breaking glass, etc. I got that. And I guess I had a good time. But the more I think about it, the worse the movie was, so maybe I should stop thinking about it and just live in the moment. The alien subplot was a horrible idea. Aliens? Area 51? It didn't work for me. It wasn't developed (probably good, because then it would have gotten even more ridiculous) and it didn't make sense. It seemed like a mutilated version of "Independence Day." I also didn't like how Indy just waltzed right in and found the conquistadors' grave in like 10 seconds after people had been looking unsuccessfully for 500 years because some squiggles fell into his lap. And the Tarzan scene? Absurd. We were all cracking up. I still have no idea what happened at the end of the movie.

I admit, though, I did like the lead refrigerator scene. Something about an entire town with mannequins and props being meticulously set up so it could be blown to smithereens by a nuke just sparked my imagination. It reminded me of a couple of Twilight Zone episodes.

I agree with Pedro Cerrano. The more I think about it, the more I dislike it. Oh, well. It was fun during it.

Tank
11-25-2008, 06:16 PM
I saw this on Sunday.

Just a terrible movie. Between the plot and the many ridiculous scenes I give it a 4/10. My girlfriend kept asking me if we had to finish watching it, but I had to.

The refridgerator scene is just absurd. Mutt swinging around like Tarzan is completely ridiculous. And what the hell was with the natives bursting out of the walls? How long were they hiding in there waiting for someone to show up? Not to mention falling down 3 waterfalls without anyone getting remotely hurt. I also didn't like how the bad guys would just show up wherever they were, especially the hole with the spikes at the bottom. Indy and company had to outrun the little steps, which were gone afterwards. So how did the bad guys get down there? Ugh, and the boat car landing on a branch and elegantly going into the water... It goes on and on.

There were some cool F/X, some funny lines, and a couple cool parts, but overall I can't believe they waited so long to release THAT. Shia Lebeuf was a bright spot though IMO.

NewMarketSean
11-25-2008, 10:03 PM
I saw this on Sunday.

Just a terrible movie. Between the plot and the many ridiculous scenes I give it a 4/10. My girlfriend kept asking me if we had to finish watching it, but I had to.

The refridgerator scene is just absurd. Mutt swinging around like Tarzan is completely ridiculous. And what the hell was with the natives bursting out of the walls? How long were they hiding in there waiting for someone to show up? Not to mention falling down 3 waterfalls without anyone getting remotely hurt. I also didn't like how the bad guys would just show up wherever they were, especially the hole with the spikes at the bottom. Indy and company had to outrun the little steps, which were gone afterwards. So how did the bad guys get down there? Ugh, and the boat car landing on a branch and elegantly going into the water... It goes on and on.

There were some cool F/X, some funny lines, and a couple cool parts, but overall I can't believe they waited so long to release THAT. Shia Lebeuf was a bright spot though IMO.

Agreed. Rep points coming your way.

I saw this back in the theaters in May, so I know what to expect when I watch it again, so hopefully it won't bother me as much, but I fully expect it to be just as bad as it was the first time. Basically, Indy, at his oldest, was doing more crazy stuff in this movie than he's done in all 3 previous Indy movies combined, not to mention 15-25 years OLDER!!!

I really wonder what George Lucas is thinking sometimes. Speilberg must be in awe of him, afraid to correct him or give creative advice, because I have a hard time believing Speilberg directed this movie after looking at some of the other gems he's directed before.

PeteCanes
11-25-2008, 10:20 PM
I really, really, REALLY hated when Marian drove the boat/car thing off of the cliff on purpose.

DuffMan
10-27-2011, 06:58 AM
Bump

Need more proof that this movie was bad, even Speilberg thinks it was a bad movie/story.

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=32315

And Crystal Skull? "I'm very happy with the movie. I always have been... I sympathise with people who didn't like the MacGuffin because I never liked the MacGuffin. George and I had big arguments about the MacGuffin. I didn't want these things to be either aliens or inter-dimensional beings. But I am loyal to my best friend. When he writes a story he believes in - even if I don't believe in it - I'm going to shoot the movie the way George envisaged it. I'll add my own touches, I'll bring my own cast in, I'll shoot the way I want to shoot it, but I will always defer to George as the storyteller of the Indy series. I will never fight him on that."

Basically that was a nice way of saying this movie/story is a terrible idea, but George is my friend so I'll make the movie anyway.