Free WNST

[Rocky1983]

I was listening to the morning show and heard something very unsettling. Drew wants to "follow" another major league baseball team and is going to take call ins on what team to follow. He was complaining that the "Mid Atlantics" will not allow him access to players, managers, or the front office. He even stated they will not allow him to come to spring training, which I find a little exaggerated. Other TV and radio stations that are not the flagships are going to be at ST. Drew states that "they (the Orioles) don't treat me well, so why should I treat them well?" He sounds like he is in grade school. Why can't he just go to ST? As a media outlet, why can't he schedule a meeting with the powers that be, man up, and extend an olive branch stating they want to cover the team?

I, like many other fans, have not been happy about the last 10 years. I was even at the free the birds rally because I am so disgusted. Even so, I would never follow another major league team. I grew up a Baltimore Orioles fan and I will die one. The bottom line is that this station, besides Bob Haney, has trashed every move the Orioles make, even the Bedard trade.

If Drew proceeds with following another ML team, us true fans should email Nasty and Drew that we are banning their morning show just like they promote not going to the games.

[birdsfan4ever]

Drew really thinks he is someone important.

[NewMarketSean]

WNST thinks this is good for ratings, thats the only reason they are doing this. They overestimate the hatred people have for the O's. Yeah, there are a lot of jaded O's fans, fans who don't follow the team anymore, but I don't think true Baltimore fans would root for a team outside of Baltimore, as long as the O's are in town.

[Rocky1983]

WNST thinks this is good for ratings, thats the only reason they are doing this. They overestimate the hatred people have for the O's. Yeah, there are a lot of jaded O's fans, fans who don't follow the team anymore, but I don't think true Baltimore fans would root for a team outside of Baltimore, as long as the O's are in town.

I agree. It is almost like if your sister did something consistently for 10 years that you could not stand and you said forget it, I am getting a new sister. I just cannot see how a Baltimore station can even suggest following another team.

[Moose Milligan]

I don't get WNST down here in NOVA, but from everything I've read on here, they by and large seem like a bunch of dunderheads. What a stupid idea.

[AgentOrange]

WNST needs to worry more about getting their signal strength up first.

[SoBo]

WNST thinks this is good for ratings, thats the only reason they are doing this. They overestimate the hatred people have for the O's. Yeah, there are a lot of jaded O's fans, fans who don't follow the team anymore, but I don't think true Baltimore fans would root for a team outside of Baltimore, as long as the O's are in town.

Agreed. If I were the O's, I wouldn't issue a press pass to a guy that does nothing but bash the team and its players. They do get access to the club via Casey Willett. So who cares if they don't let Drew in? He's like Preston, just likes to stir the pot. Haynie does a real nice job and Rob Long has gotten better, but still needs work. But I just tune out Drew at this point. Can't wait for the XM-Sirius merger so I can get the MLB channel.

[SoBo]

It's my understanding that Nestor believes the future of his station is online. Hence all of the friggin' blogs on the site. He won't look for a better signal because of this belief that the future is on WNST.net. I agree to a certain extent, but at the end of the day most of your listeners are listening on the radio. If they were to ever lose Haynie, they would be in serious trouble. You gotta believe that JFK is going to give him an offer he can't refuse at some point. It's been a futile effort to date though.

[Rocky1983]

I wish that 1300 would put on a local to do the morning show here in Baltimore. Viviano does a good job covering the local teams as does Haney.

It is one thing for Drew to try and stir things up, but after awhile it gets old. It almost seems like I turn on his program and he is bashing the Orioles. I get disgusting, go a week without tuning in, give him another try, and boom- there he is bashing the O's some more. He also stated that this team might win 50 games, so why should he put any energy into caring. Pathetic.

[WebLink21]

I am actually a WNST fan. I supported them fully when they did the Free the Birds a few years back. I thought that it was a good cause because it hurt the way the O's were going and I wanted to do something about it. I thought they were justified to do so because I did think the team that I loved was in trouble. For them to do this now is really a little overboard though. Why jump on them when they seem to be trying to get things on the right track again? That doesn't make any sense. Drew always claims to love the O's and how they were his boyhood team. Well I feel the same way about them and I have never turned my back on them or considered going to another team and I never would. I would tell him the same thing I tell every fan that says something like that to me. Hey there is a team in Washington you can go cheer for. We don't need fans like you. I would also tell him that I don’t want to hear that he is back on the bandwagon in 2 years either. When you make a statement like that, he better be ready to back it up. Hearing this makes me want to switch to 1300AM. If Anita Marks wasn't on there I think I Would. This is ridiculous of them!

[Rocky1983]

The Orioles are wrong for not allowing access... there are plenty of detractors out there, that after 10 years of losing have plenty of misgivings about the organization.

The Orioles should be reaching out to those people, and trying to address their concerns.

However, Drew screaming about wanting to root for another team is pathetic at best.

That is the issue I have. I agree, the Orioles should allow anybody who wants to give them free advertising the ability to do so. However, it seems like the Orioles pushed Drew down in the school yard and now he's going to show them by following another team. This will take his listeners down from 500 to 250.

[The Wedge]

When I say Publicity, you say Stunt!

Publicity!

[ledzepp8]

Stunt.....................

[Miller192]

I'm a fan of WNST, Drew is actually one of my favorite hosts there.

However, they've made this too personal. It's become more of Drew and Nestor versus PGA instead of speaking out for disgruntled O's fans.

[Maverick2143]

I love PA's original quote when he said Nestor was "a very unimportant person who has delusions of grandeur."

In one quote PA did more damage to Nestor than all of Nestor's ranting has ever done to PA.

[NewMarketSean]

I love PA's original quote when he said Nestor was "a very unimportant person who has delusions of grandeur."

In one quote PA did more damage to Nestor than all of Nestor's ranting has ever done to PA.

I doubt it. Nestor is 100% right when it comes to the O's, and he flushed out Angelos and exposed him for who he is, but they've taken this too far by suggesting that fans root for another team.

That crosses a line IMO.

[calunitas1]

The thing I hate most about NST is that they (Drew and Nasty) seem to try to make you feel bad for still rooting for the Orioles. While I think that it was wrong for the O's to pull their media privileges, Nasty and Drew have gone way overboard.

[birdsfan4ever]

Anita Marks > Drew Forrester :eek:

[Maverick2143]

I doubt it. Nestor is 100% right when it comes to the O's, and he flushed out Angelos and exposed him for who he is, but they've taken this too far by suggesting that fans root for another team.

That crosses a line IMO.

I agree, I just don't think there audience is/was big enough to really make a difference.

4 or 5 years ago I respected what they were trying doing. But, since then the message has been lost in the noise. Instead of turning up the power and reaching more people with a good message, they turned up the volume and ruined what little credibility they had.

Now, they seem like the scorned ex-girlfriend trying date their ex's enemy in hopes that he will be jealous.

[WebLink21]

Anita Marks > Drew Forrester :eek:

Anita Marks < Anyone that knows anything about sports (unless you want to hear about the great city of Miami)

[tywright]

The only thing WNST has going for them are Bob Haynie and Rob Long.

[birdsfan4ever]

Anita Marks < Anyone that knows anything about sports (unless you want to hear about the great city of Miami)

I would rather hear about Miami then listen to Drew say the same thing over and over and talk down to anyone who disagrees and constantly sniffle into the mic.

[Hank Scorpio]

Drew really thinks he is someone important.

Ain't that the truth....

[Hank Scorpio]

Anita Marks > Drew Forrester :eek:

She definitely gets better guests.

As far as the content... not so much.

[RShack]

Nestor is 100% right when it comes to the O's, and he flushed out Angelos and exposed him for who he is...
Yep, it was almost like Watergate. Everybody thought PA was a great owner. Everybody thought the O's were battling for the post-season every year. That's what *everybody* thought. But then, thank God, ole Nester saved the day. He pointed out that it was all lies! Lies and more lies! Everybody thought the O's were winning... but they were really losing! Everybody thought PA was a good owner, but he really wasn't! If it wasn't for Nestor, we'd all be fooled.

Thank God for Nestor, that's all I can say. He's a true Oriole hero, he is. He's exposed all the losing and related crapitude that nobody but him realized was going on. It takes a real man to risk his serious career to tell the truth and expose lies. It's not like he's a pimp, or a whore, or anything like that. He's a *loyal* Oriole fan, that's what he is. Everybody knows that. That's why his people are looking for another team to root for.

[HoodGuy007]

She definitely gets better guests.

As far as the content... not so much.
It'spretty close though. It's a better show when she has good co-hosts who can carry the show for her.

[Mike B]

I was listening to the morning show and heard something very unsettling. Drew wants to "follow" another major league baseball team and is going to take call ins on what team to follow. He was complaining that the "Mid Atlantics" will not allow him access to players, managers, or the front office. He even stated they will not allow him to come to spring training, which I find a little exaggerated. Other TV and radio stations that are not the flagships are going to be at ST. Drew states that "they (the Orioles) don't treat me well, so why should I treat them well?" He sounds like he is in grade school. Why can't he just go to ST? As a media outlet, why can't he schedule a meeting with the powers that be, man up, and extend an olive branch stating they want to cover the team?

I, like many other fans, have not been happy about the last 10 years. I was even at the free the birds rally because I am so disgusted. Even so, I would never follow another major league team. I grew up a Baltimore Orioles fan and I will die one. The bottom line is that this station, besides Bob Haney, has trashed every move the Orioles make, even the Bedard trade.

If Drew proceeds with following another ML team, us true fans should email Nasty and Drew that we are banning their morning show just like they promote not going to the games.

While I wish that PGA and the Orioles would play the role of the bigger men and stop cold war with WNST, I think Drew Forester and Nestor Aparicio are impressed with their own percieved importance. I flipped them on this morning and lasted about 15 minutes. Drew has taken to calling the Orioles the Mid Atlantics and him and Nestor have done a sarcastic ad telling people to buy tickets and tell them WNST sent them. They are going to adopt another team and where talking about organizing a trip to Detroit. Good luck to the clowns. The only person on the station worth listening to is Haynie. I am at times frustrated with the Orioles but this team honestly seems to be trying to get the on field and scouting departments fixed. I chose to feel good about them for the first time in a few years. I do not need an agenda driven radio station who basically declared war on the Orioles to dampen that.

[glenn__davis]

This is obviously a typical NST publicity stunt, but I'm not really sure where they're going with this one. OK, let's say they pick, say, St. Louis. Is Drew seriously going to analzye the Cardinals and their season? Because no one in Baltimore will care. Who's going to call into the station to talk about Colby Rasmus' development?

Just not sure I see the brilliance behind this one.

[Mike B]

I doubt it. Nestor is 100% right when it comes to the O's, and he flushed out Angelos and exposed him for who he is, but they've taken this too far by suggesting that fans root for another team.

That crosses a line IMO.

Nestor is an ego maniac much like Drew Forester. Angelos should give them their press passes and parking privilges and allow Orioles and staff to come on the radio but Nasty and Drew have brought this on themselves. I am sure any good baseball fan can see the problems the Orioles have had over the past 10 years. To say Nasty exposed them is a joke. The man is way behind the curve on what is going on in baseball. Unless, you take his rambling, self promoting "Moon" segments as reporting. He declared war on the Orioles and his station which has the signal as powerful as a VW engine is now left out in the cold. It is a shame.

[VThokies]

I doubt it. Nestor is 100% right when it comes to the O's, and he flushed out Angelos and exposed him for who he is, but they've taken this too far by suggesting that fans root for another team.

That crosses a line IMO.

While i don't necessarily agree with all of Drew and Nestor's tactics or opinions, I think alot of people here are taking this whole stunt the wrong way. He isn't suggesting the fans abandon the Orioles. He will obviously continue to bash the O's and provide whatever coverage he sees fit. But to compensate for being unable to interview Orioles personnel, he's going to attempt to get a regular dialog with another team. It seems a bit foolish, but i can at least understand his thought process. You gotta find someone to come on the show...

[gtown]

Agreed. If I were the O's, I wouldn't issue a press pass to a guy that does nothing but bash the team and its players. The Orioles should issue a press pass to anyone who is legitimate media. Drew undoubtedly qualifies.

I don't agree with this latest publicity stunt, but it's hard to take the Orioles' side when it comes to press passes. And as someone else pointed out, they're losing out on free advertising, even if it is to a small audience.

[NewMarketSean]

Nestor is an ego maniac much like Drew Forester. Angelos should give them their press passes and parking privilges and allow Orioles and staff to come on the radio but Nasty and Drew have brought them on themselves. I am sure any good baseball fan can see the problems the Orioles have had over the past 10 years. To say Nasty exposed them is a joke. The man is way behind the curve on what is going on in baseball. Unless, you take his rambling, self promoting "Moon" segments as reporting. He declared war on the Orioles and his station which has the signal as powerful as a VW engine is now left out in the cold. It is a shame.

I agree. But I do believe he exposed Angelos for the egomaniac that he is when blasted Nestor and the fans who attended the "Free the Birds" rally. It may not have changed anything, but hearing Angelos rip into Nestor and the fans just proved once and for all that Angelos didn't have a clue why the fans had turned against him.

[Elbren]

I was listening to the morning show and heard something very unsettling. Drew wants to "follow" another major league baseball team and is going to take call ins on what team to follow. He was complaining that the "Mid Atlantics" will not allow him access to players, managers, or the front office. He even stated they will not allow him to come to spring training, which I find a little exaggerated. Other TV and radio stations that are not the flagships are going to be at ST. Drew states that "they (the Orioles) don't treat me well, so why should I treat them well?" He sounds like he is in grade school. Why can't he just go to ST? As a media outlet, why can't he schedule a meeting with the powers that be, man up, and extend an olive branch stating they want to cover the team? I, like many other fans, have not been happy about the last 10 years. I was even at the free the birds rally because I am so disgusted. Even so, I would never follow another major league team. I grew up a Baltimore Orioles fan and I will die one. The bottom line is that this station, besides Bob Haney, has trashed every move the Orioles make, even the Bedard trade.

If Drew proceeds with following another ML team, us true fans should email Nasty and Drew that we are banning their morning show just like they promote not going to the games.

If I remember correctly, the team no longer provides press credentials for Nestor and Forrester. The team has all but told them, "You're not welcome here." Pretty sure they give them to Bob Haney and Rob Long though.

[square634]

I agree. But I do believe he exposed Angelos for the egomaniac that he is when blasted Nestor and the fans who attended the "Free the Birds" rally. It may not have changed anything, but hearing Angelos rip into Nestor and the fans just proved once and for all that Angelos didn't have a clue why the fans had turned against him.

IIRC, I agreed with Angelos's main point, which was that the fans just wanted to see a winner. I think Nestor was spouting off that he wouldn't come back as long as Angelos was the owner, even if we started winning. That's pretty petty if you ask me.

[birdsfan4ever]

If I remember correctly, the team no longer provides press credentials for Nestor and Forrester. The team has all but told them, "You're not welcome here." Pretty sure they give them to Bob Haney and Rob Long though.

Drew was allowed in last year, I don't know about Nestor.

[Dipper9]

I was listening to the morning show and heard something very unsettling. Drew wants to "follow" another major league baseball team and is going to take call ins on what team to follow. He was complaining that the "Mid Atlantics" will not allow him access to players, managers, or the front office. He even stated they will not allow him to come to spring training, which I find a little exaggerated. Other TV and radio stations that are not the flagships are going to be at ST. Drew states that "they (the Orioles) don't treat me well, so why should I treat them well?" He sounds like he is in grade school. Why can't he just go to ST? As a media outlet, why can't he schedule a meeting with the powers that be, man up, and extend an olive branch stating they want to cover the team?

I, like many other fans, have not been happy about the last 10 years. I was even at the free the birds rally because I am so disgusted. Even so, I would never follow another major league team. I grew up a Baltimore Orioles fan and I will die one. The bottom line is that this station, besides Bob Haney, has trashed every move the Orioles make, even the Bedard trade.

If Drew proceeds with following another ML team, us true fans should email Nasty and Drew that we are banning their morning show just like they promote not going to the games.

Good riddance. WNST will have the same core group who will call in and play his little voting game, and he can feel free to follow whatever team he chooses. I don't listen to his show anymore, haven't for a while, so this will make no difference to me. I'd like to wish WNST luck in ever becoming more than a "college radio station." In that, I mean they act like a small time college town radio station, and its stunts like these that prove it. Good bye WNST!

[Dipper9]

The Orioles are wrong for not allowing access... there are plenty of detractors out there, that after 10 years of losing have plenty of misgivings about the organization.

The Orioles should be reaching out to those people, and trying to address their concerns.

However, Drew screaming about wanting to root for another team is pathetic at best.

I have posted on this theory before, and I'll do it again now. If I own a business, and someone or some people CONSTANTLY bash every move I make, I would have no qualms with disallowing them in my store...EVER. This isn't about making your complaints heard. This is about constant attacks on the Orioles and Peter Angelos. ANY business would do the same thing Angelos is doing. If someone really thinks the O's are losing anything by NOT reaching out to Drew and Nestor, then they see things from the same warped viewpoint as Drew and Nestor.

[gtown]

I have posted on this theory before, and I'll do it again now. If I own a business, and someone or some people CONSTANTLY bash every move I make, I would have no qualms with disallowing them in my store...EVER. This isn't about making your complaints heard. This is about constant attacks on the Orioles and Peter Angelos. ANY business would do the same thing Angelos is doing. If someone really thinks the O's are losing anything by NOT reaching out to Drew and Nestor, then they see things from the same warped viewpoint as Drew and Nestor.
The bad publicity the Orioles receive nationally and locally for denying credentials to legitimate members of the media far outweighs the bad publicity that WNST could ever generate by covering the games. To me anyway, common sense leads me to only one answer to the following question.

Would issuing Drew Forrester and Nestor Aparicio proper press credentials increase or decrease the negativity broadcast from WNST toward the Orioles in the Andy MacPhail era?

[birdsfan4ever]

The bad publicity the Orioles receive nationally and locally for denying credentials to legitimate members of the media far outweighs the bad publicity that WNST could ever generate by covering the games.

The bad publicity the Orioles receive for denying WNST press credentials was only from WNST, and they didn't even deny them press credentials.

[NewMarketSean]

IIRC, I agreed with Angelos's main point, which was that the fans just wanted to see a winner. I think Nestor was spouting off that he wouldn't come back as long as Angelos was the owner, even if we started winning. That's pretty petty if you ask me.

I think Nestor would be like most fans and would cheer for the team again if they were winning, regardless of who was owner. If he didn't, because Angelos was the owner, then that tells you all you need to know.

It sounds like Nestor and Angelos were made for each other. On a different battlefield they'd probably get along just fine.

[ledzepp8]

Drew was allowed in last year, I don't know about Nestor.

I thought it was that everyone at that station had the same press credentials as anyone else, just not Nestor because he's not really a member of the media anymore. At least that is what I remember people saying last year.

[birdsfan4ever]

I thought it was that everyone at that station had the same press credentials as anyone else, just not Nestor because it's not really a member of the media anymore. At least that is what I remember people saying last year.

I think that is right

[gtown]

I thought it was that everyone at that station had the same press credentials as anyone else, just not Nestor because he's not really a member of the media anymore. At least that is what I remember people saying last year.That was the team's argument, but IMO, it's a weak one. Nestor is still active, even if his show is no longer regular.

Now if the Orioles were to insist that for every game he covered, he would actually have to go on radio to discuss the game or write a story on his website, then I think that position would make a lot more sense and would not seem petty. It's no secret that PA doesn't like NA, and believe me, the national media sees it and just confirms to them that this is the 'Oriole Way' under PA.

[Rocky1983]

Good riddance. WNST will have the same core group who will call in and play his little voting game, and he can feel free to follow whatever team he chooses. I don't listen to his show anymore, haven't for a while, so this will make no difference to me. I'd like to wish WNST luck in ever becoming more than a "college radio station." In that, I mean they act like a small time college town radio station, and its stunts like these that prove it. Good bye WNST!

With their frequency in the morning and at night, that is all they are anyway. I enjoyed WNST for years, but now there are other alternatives. 1300 does a decent job FROM 10-1, WBAL has sports night with Steve Davis, and WHFS has Amber. IF 1300 were more local it would capture a bigger audience.

Most people that tune into Drew are asking to follow the Nationals. He is smoking something if he thinks people will give half a crap about the Nats. They have to be counting down the days until they can start talking Ravens draft.

[Dipper9]

With their frequency in the morning and at night, that is all they are anyway. I enjoyed WNST for years, but now there are other alternatives. 1300 does a decent job FROM 10-1, WBAL has sports night with Steve Davis, and WHFS has Amber. IF 1300 were more local it would capture a bigger audience.

Most people that tune into Drew are asking to follow the Nationals. He is smoking something if he thinks people will give half a crap about the Nats. They have to be counting down the days until they can start talking Ravens draft.

Truth be told...I would absolutely LOVE to have a local station that cared equally for the O's and Ravens. Truth be told...Drew DOES make me laugh sometimes. But that said, constantly bashing the O's has severely turned me off to him. Luckliy for me, I am at work by 6am, but if not, I would listen to Mike and Mike at this point over Drew. The FACT of the matter is, both sides, Drew and nestor on one, Angelos on the other, are acting like spoiled little children. That said, Nestor and Drew brought this on themselves. They instigated the situation until PA struck back. Now what WNST is sulking about is the fact that no matter how many hours they spend bashing the Orioles, one swift motion by the O's has completely cut off the sources going to WNST. That's why they are bitter. They can't take the fact that Angelos one-upped them. If Drew came on tomorrow and said something to the effects of, "You know, I don't like PA, but it is what it is. I like the direction the O's are headed, and I will stand by these men just like I always have!" IF he ever said that, I would be back at WNST again in a heartbeat. But, that will never happen, because the egos of Drew and Nestor are such that they would rather follow another team and never say a word of respect about the Orioles, then to let bygones be bygones and wipe the slate clean. Its a shame it has come to this, but the fact is that Drew's show, in its current state, makes me ill to listen to. I know I am just one voice, and one listener means nothing to WNST. They are free to stand their ground, and deep down, I guess I can respect them for taking a stance and not budging. But, lets make one thing clear...the stance they have taken is one they have chosen to take. THEY have made enemies of the Orioles. Not the other way around. All they have to do is extend an olive branch and life will go on. However, their egos are obviously much bigger than their love of the Baltimore Orioles.

[Cokeman]

Agreed. If I were the O's, I wouldn't issue a press pass to a guy that does nothing but bash the team and its players. They do get access to the club via Casey Willett. So who cares if they don't let Drew in? He's like Preston, just likes to stir the pot. Haynie does a real nice job and Rob Long has gotten better, but still needs work. But I just tune out Drew at this point. Can't wait for the XM-Sirius merger so I can get the MLB channel.

Be glad you didn't have it last night...they replayed the 30-3 game. That was fun. :rolleyes:

[BaltimoreTerp]

May 1300 hire away Haney and Long, and people stop listening to WNST's insanity when the Orioles complete the turn-around, and they go down the tubes.

[ledzepp8]

That was the team's argument, but IMO, it's a weak one. Nestor is still active, even if his show is no longer regular.

Now if the Orioles were to insist that for every game he covered, he would actually have to go on radio to discuss the game or write a story on his website, then I think that position would make a lot more sense and would not seem petty. It's no secret that PA doesn't like NA, and believe me, the national media sees it and just confirms to them that this is the 'Oriole Way' under PA.

Go back and check out this thread from when the whole "incident" occurred (http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45141&highlight=nestor)

You'll see that he's a huge liar who made up the whole thing. He didn't have press credentials the year before last because he didn't ask for them or even want them. He didn't get them last year because he wasn't considered media. Like I said in the thread, the only reason he asked for them is because he knew he would be denied. He simply wanted to start an uproar where there was none.

[gtown]

It doesn't matter if he didn't have them the year before. He is still part of the media. No doubt he asked for them thinking he'd get denied--not the point. There's a reason why Rick Maese and Ray Frager sided with Nestor on this issue.

I do freelance work covering college lacrosse so I'm not completely in the dark. I might not cover a team for a year and then show up two years later. I could get a credential based on old history, sit in the press box, mooch off the press box food and not do a game story. That's not right but I see people do it. If I ask for a credential, I'm going to cover the game or work on a story.

That's why I said if they want to make it clear that he has to cover the game, that's the team's right (and frankly they should insist on that from more people). Nestor (and others) should have to buy a ticket if he's not working. The team doesn't have to issue a yearlong pass. But to say he's not a member of the media, regardless of his objectivity, is really shaky.

[ledzepp8]

It doesn't matter if he didn't have them the year before. He is still part of the media. No doubt he asked for them thinking he'd get denied--not the point. There's a reason why Rick Maese and Ray Frager sided with Nestor on this issue.

I do freelance work covering college lacrosse so I'm not completely in the dark. I might not cover a team for a year and then show up two years later. I could get a credential based on old history, sit in the press box, mooch off the press box food and not do a game story. That's not right but I see people do it. If I ask for a credential, I'm going to cover the game or work on a story.

That's why I said if they want to make it clear that he has to cover the game, that's the team's right (and frankly they should insist on that from more people). Nestor (and others) should have to buy a ticket if he's not working. The team doesn't have to issue a yearlong pass. But to say he's not a member of the media, regardless of his objectivity, is really shaky.
I don't think you're really comparable to Nestor though. Did you try and sabotage the team/business that you cover?

Honestly I'm not familiar with Nestor or his work aside from what has been said about him on this board. Perhaps though at the time of that thread he wouldn't have been considered a member of the media, but he would be considered one now. Regardless, he's a liar with an axe to grind.

[BaltimoreTerp]

It doesn't matter if he didn't have them the year before. He is still part of the media. No doubt he asked for them thinking he'd get denied--not the point. There's a reason why Rick Maese and Ray Frager sided with Nestor on this issue.

I do freelance work covering college lacrosse so I'm not completely in the dark. I might not cover a team for a year and then show up two years later. I could get a credential based on old history, sit in the press box, mooch off the press box food and not do a game story. That's not right but I see people do it. If I ask for a credential, I'm going to cover the game or work on a story.

That's why I said if they want to make it clear that he has to cover the game, that's the team's right (and frankly they should insist on that from more people). Nestor (and others) should have to buy a ticket if he's not working. The team doesn't have to issue a yearlong pass. But to say he's not a member of the media, regardless of his objectivity, is really shaky.

He is a working member of the media like Peter Angelos is a working member of the Orioles front office.

[gtown]

I don't think you're really comparable to Nestor though. Did you try and sabotage the team/business that you cover?

Honestly I'm not familiar with Nestor or his work aside from what has been said about him on this board. Perhaps though at the time of that thread he wouldn't have been considered a member of the media, but he would be considered one now. Regardless, he's a liar with an axe to grind.When does being critical turn into sabotage? My take is that he bought a ticket for his rally and thus did not violate terms of his press credential.

I don't think we're too far apart in what we're saying. What I'm saying is that they don't like him so they used a tenuous argument to say he's not media because he no longer had regular hours on the station. Ray Frager wrote something to that effect when he wrote last year about how like him or not, Nestor's media status is legit.

Here's what I'm saying. If his media status is unknown, then rather than deny the credential, issue a credential under the condition that he cover the game on his website or on his Moon segments. If he can't do that, then he's not "Working Media."

[gtown]

He is a working member of the media like Peter Angelos is a working member of the Orioles front office.Not a bad analogy--had to laugh at that one. Point is, no one is going to deny Peter Angelos access to an owners meeting because he's "not an owner." That quoted phrase does sound kind of nice.

Like I said, make him work if he wants the credential. Makes the team look a lot less petty. Even with his low wattage, he's well known in the national sports media and this front office already has a national reputation for being petty. Doesn't help.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Not a bad analogy--had to laugh at that one. Point is, no one is going to deny Peter Angelos access to an owners meeting because he's "not an owner." That quoted phrase does sound kind of nice.

Like I said, make him work if he wants the credential. Makes the team look a lot less petty. Even with his low wattage, he's well known in the national sports media and this front office already has a national reputation for being petty. Doesn't help.

They would deny him access to a manager's or general manager's meeting, though.

Also, read these guys (http://www.theunticket.com/nasty-nestor-hates-the-jew-anti-semitic/)...:p