Must be some very good local high School players because..

[FavreFan]

Just noticed that, Calvert Hall is Ranked as high as 2nd in the country. Is there any chance at all that we draft someone from a local high school this year.

Just curious, oh I forgot our scout(s) are too busy becasue we have sent all of them to the islands to look for potential draft picks there instead...

Thought we needed a different topic, most have been very redundant lately IMO

[big leagues 23]

Calvert Hall is really good program last year their varsity, jv, and freshman teams went a combined 75-0. The best player's name is Kevin Lingerman, I know he has signed to play somewhere, but I cant think of where.

Another good local team is St. John's in DC. They have a stud pitcher in Scott Silverstein, who committed to VA, and L.J. Hoes an outfielder, who committed to UNC.

In Anne Arundel County probably the best seniors are:
LHP Paul DeVito (Archbishop Spalding)- committed to Radford
RHP Tyler Hibbs (Arundel)- committed to Florida State
SS Jeff Kemp (Archbishop Spalding)- committed to Radford
These are just my top three from Anne Arundel county.

IMO the order would be:
Scott Silverstein
LJ Hoes
Tyler Hibbs
Paul DeVito
Jeff Kemp

These are the best players I could think of off the top of my head.

[NastyRonald]

In Anne Arundel County probably the best seniors are:
LHP Paul DeVito (Archbishop Spalding)- committed to Radford
RHP Tyler Hibbs (Arundel)- committed to Florida State
SS Jeff Kemp (Archbishop Spalding)- committed to Radford
These are just my top three from Anne Arundel county.


How in the world did Radford University get those two guys? NCAA needs to look into some recruiting violations there.

[obannon35]

How in the world did Radford University get those two guys? NCAA needs to look into some recruiting violations there.

I just really don't like investing much in high school kids no matter how highly touted they come, anyone else feel this way?

[big leagues 23]

How in the world did Radford University get those two guys? NCAA needs to look into some recruiting violations there.

Radford had 4 total players from Archbishop Spalidng commit, 1 from St Johns in DC and 1 from Riverdale Baptist in Upper Marlborro.

Archbishop Spalding
LHP Paul DeVito
RHP Jason Patton
SS Jeff Kemp
OF Matt Hillsinger

St. John's
3B Matt Mack

Riverdale Baptist
C Carl Travers

[NastyRonald]

I just really don't like investing much in high school kids no matter how highly touted they come, anyone else feel this way?

For draft purposes, I agree with you. Obviously when you are a college coach, there is not much else to pick from when you are trying to build a solid foundation for you in seasons to come.

[big leagues 23]

How in the world did Radford University get those two guys? NCAA needs to look into some recruiting violations there.

I doubt that there was any recruiting violations. Radford hired Joe Raccuia, who was Alabama's former recuriting coordinator, hitting instructor, and assistant coach. I've heard that he is great coach and really knows how to recruit, so I guess that is why he has gotten some of the best talent in there area to commit.

[aggro5288]

Calvert Hall is really good program last year their varsity, jv, and freshman teams went a combined 75-0. The best player's name is Kevin Lingerman, I know he has signed to play somewhere, but I cant think of where.

Another good local team is St. John's in DC. They have a stud pitcher in Scott Silverstein, who committed to VA, and L.J. Hoes an outfielder, who committed to UNC.

In Anne Arundel County probably the best seniors are:
LHP Paul DeVito (Archbishop Spalding)- committed to Radford
RHP Tyler Hibbs (Arundel)- committed to Florida State
SS Jeff Kemp (Archbishop Spalding)- committed to Radford
These are just my top three from Anne Arundel county.

IMO the order would be:
Scott Silverstein
LJ Hoes
Tyler Hibbs
Paul DeVito
Jeff Kemp

These are the best players I could think of off the top of my head.

Haha, I played with him when I was 10 years old ... and then again a few years later. He was pretty good (he was playing a few years up, and was definitely not the best on our team, but he was playing above his age level) but was really cocky. I'm sure he's probably changed since then.

[NastyRonald]

Big leagues...did some research real quick:

"DeVito is the 45th ranked left handed pitcher in the country and the seventh best player in the state of Maryland. Travers is rated the 80th best catcher in the country and the 10th best player in Maryland."

"The Highlanders brought in five of the top 12 players in Maryland according to Perfect Game rankings. "

Brian Anderson and Allen Rice did most of the recruiting and supringly enough, to me, neither of those coaches are from Maryland. I'd say if those 5 players dont go pro Radford will have a nice squad next spring.

[aggro5288]

Radford had 4 total players from Archbishop Spalidng commit, 1 from St Johns in DC and 1 from Riverdale Baptist in Upper Marlborro.

Archbishop Spalding
LHP Paul DeVito
RHP Jason Patton
SS Jeff Kemp
OF Matt Hillsinger

St. John's
3B Matt Mack

Riverdale Baptist
C Carl Travers

I played with him too, for the last couple years. He's got a really nice left handed stroke and hits to all fields ... not very strong from what I remember though, small frame and doubles power at best.

[big leagues 23]

I played with him too, for the last couple years. He's got a really nice left handed stroke and hits to all fields ... not very strong from what I remember though, small frame and doubles power at best.

He is really fast. I would probably say he runs under 6.8 60. I think I read somewhere that his 60 time was around 6.5, but don't hold me to that. He also led all of Anne Arundel County in hits last season.

[obannon35]

For draft purposes, I agree with you. Obviously when you are a college coach, there is not much else to pick from when you are trying to build a solid foundation for you in seasons to come.

Yeah I thought we were talking draft purposes.

[Boy Howdy]

I just really don't like investing much in high school kids no matter how highly touted they come, anyone else feel this way?

The New York Times ran an interesting retrospective on the Moneyball draft a few days ago that included this line:

"...Four of the seven players picked by Oakland (57 percent) among the first 39 picks in that draft have played in the majors, including Brown. Of the other 32 picks, 20 have played in the majors (62.5 percent).

The difference is in the number of high school players in those groups. Oakland drafted none while other teams selected 18, and 11 have played in the majors, including Prince Fielder, B. J. Upton, Cole Hamels, Scott Kazmir, James Loney, Jeff Francoeur, Matt Cain and Adam Loewen..."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/sports/baseball/19chass.html?ref=sports

[ScottieBaseball]

Just noticed that, Calvert Hall is Ranked as high as 2nd in the country. Is there any chance at all that we draft someone from a local high school this year.

Just curious, oh I forgot our scout(s) are too busy becasue we have sent all of them to the islands to look for potential draft picks there instead...

Thought we needed a different topic, most have been very redundant lately IMO

The O's have plenty of scouts in their own proverbial backyard. They have clip boards, stopwatches, and everything.

Is there a chance they draft someone local? Yup. Because they haven't publicized it, does that mean they're not paying attention? Nope. Does the #2 high school program in the country automatically turn out Major League talent? Also no.

While drafting local talent can be fun, I prefer the O's draft the best players available to suit their needs whether they're playing for Calvert Hall, in Calvert County, or Calverty City, Kentucky.

[whatdoiget000]

Calvert Hall is really good program last year their varsity, jv, and freshman teams went a combined 75-0. The best player's name is Kevin Lingerman, I know he has signed to play somewhere, but I cant think of where.

Another good local team is St. John's in DC. They have a stud pitcher in Scott Silverstein, who committed to VA, and L.J. Hoes an outfielder, who committed to UNC.

In Anne Arundel County probably the best seniors are:
LHP Paul DeVito (Archbishop Spalding)- committed to Radford
RHP Tyler Hibbs (Arundel)- committed to Florida State
SS Jeff Kemp (Archbishop Spalding)- committed to Radford
These are just my top three from Anne Arundel county.

IMO the order would be:
Scott Silverstein
LJ Hoes
Tyler Hibbs
Paul DeVito
Jeff Kemp

These are the best players I could think of off the top of my head.

Calvert Hall's best player is still a junior. He's a SS.

[GoldenRay2007]

Calvert Hall is really good program last year their varsity, jv, and freshman teams went a combined 75-0. The best player's name is Kevin Lingerman, I know he has signed to play somewhere, but I cant think of where.
Another good local team is St. John's in DC. They have a stud pitcher in Scott Silverstein, who committed to VA, and L.J. Hoes an outfielder, who committed to UNC.

In Anne Arundel County probably the best seniors are:
LHP Paul DeVito (Archbishop Spalding)- committed to Radford
RHP Tyler Hibbs (Arundel)- committed to Florida State
SS Jeff Kemp (Archbishop Spalding)- committed to Radford
These are just my top three from Anne Arundel county.

IMO the order would be:
Scott Silverstein
LJ Hoes
Tyler Hibbs
Paul DeVito
Jeff Kemp

These are the best players I could think of off the top of my head.

I am a close friend to Kevin, he has just committed about a week ago to play for George Mason.

[ScottieBaseball]

I am a close friend to Kevin, he has just committed about a week ago to play for George Mason.

The O's let another ship sail by... :D

[TJ Wrangler]

In Anne Arundel County probably the best seniors are:
LHP Paul DeVito (Archbishop Spalding)- committed to Radford
RHP Tyler Hibbs (Arundel)- committed to Florida State
SS Jeff Kemp (Archbishop Spalding)- committed to Radford
These are just my top three from Anne Arundel county.

IMO the order would be:
Scott Silverstein
LJ Hoes
Tyler Hibbs
Paul DeVito
Jeff Kemp

These are the best players I could think of off the top of my head.

You'd feel completely different if you watched Arundel baseball rather than just listen to the hype. Hibbs has a very unprojectable frame, and despite the hype he's given, he only throws in the mid 80's at best. 5'9 right handers who throw in the mid 80's are not legit pro prospects. He's probably best off converting to 2B, pending he can get more patient at the plate. His size and lack of raw power will project better to 2b.

[Runs2the1Show]

Calvert Hall is really good program last year their varsity, jv, and freshman teams went a combined 75-0. The best player's name is Kevin Lingerman, I know he has signed to play somewhere, but I cant think of where.

Another good local team is St. John's in DC. They have a stud pitcher in Scott Silverstein, who committed to VA, and L.J. Hoes an outfielder, who committed to UNC.

In Anne Arundel County probably the best seniors are:
LHP Paul DeVito (Archbishop Spalding)- committed to Radford
RHP Tyler Hibbs (Arundel)- committed to Florida State
SS Jeff Kemp (Archbishop Spalding)- committed to Radford
These are just my top three from Anne Arundel county.

IMO the order would be:
Scott Silverstein
LJ Hoes
Tyler Hibbs
Paul DeVito
Jeff Kemp

These are the best players I could think of off the top of my head.

Yea, I play against Hoes and Silverstein pretty regularly. Silverstein is about 6-5, 190 think Tillman except lefty. He is going to be a first round draft pick. He is a special player, consistently throws 94-96. LJ is another great player. He plays centerfield for the Cadets. He hits nothing but line drives and has pure speed. He will be a top 5 round draft pick. St. John's has two other guys who I can't think of right now who will probably be top 15 round picks. So overall, the talent in this area is vast.
Another guy i used to play against, Matt Sweeney, was drafted by Anaheim last year and tore up one of the High A leagues out west. My team schrimages Arundel early on so Ill try to check out Hibbs. I know that he led Arundel to the State Championship last year.

[Boy Howdy]

Maybe I oughta know since I went there, but has Calvert Hall sent anybody to the big leagues other than former Twins (and Orioles) RHP Dave Boswell?

[Runs2the1Show]

Maybe I oughta know since I went there, but has Calvert Hall sent anybody to the big leagues other than former Twins (and Orioles) RHP Dave Boswell?

They had a guy back in '96 or '97, cant pinpoint the year, but anyway he got a lot of hype and I think had a full ride to UNC? But, he blew out his arm, something with his labrum. He threw 93-95 and big, strong righty. But other than that, no one has really come close.

[TJ Wrangler]

Yea, I play against Hoes and Silverstein pretty regularly. Silverstein is about 6-5, 190 think Tillman except lefty. He is going to be a first round draft pick. He is a special player, consistently throws 94-96. LJ is another great player. He plays centerfield for the Cadets. He hits nothing but line drives and has pure speed. He will be a top 5 round draft pick. St. John's has two other guys who I can't think of right now who will probably be top 15 round picks. So overall, the talent in this area is vast.
Another guy i used to play against, Matt Sweeney, was drafted by Anaheim last year and tore up one of the High A leagues out west. My team schrimages Arundel early on so Ill try to check out Hibbs. I know that he led Arundel to the State Championship last year.

Arundel was knocked out of the championship tournament in their first game after their bye. I think the team that beat them was Great Mills. Their team is all around solid, I wouldn't give any one player credit for leading the team as far as they got, and if I had to, I would give Pleffner the credit.

[Runs2the1Show]

Calvert Hall's best player is still a junior. He's a SS.

Yea, Pat Blair. He was a legitimate prospect as a sophomore, and had a monster year last year.

[tywright]

The New York Times ran an interesting retrospective on the Moneyball draft a few days ago that included this line:

"...Four of the seven players picked by Oakland (57 percent) among the first 39 picks in that draft have played in the majors, including Brown. Of the other 32 picks, 20 have played in the majors (62.5 percent).

The difference is in the number of high school players in those groups. Oakland drafted none while other teams selected 18, and 11 have played in the majors, including Prince Fielder, B. J. Upton, Cole Hamels, Scott Kazmir, James Loney, Jeff Francoeur, Matt Cain and Adam Loewen..."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/sports/baseball/19chass.html?ref=sports

The 2002 draft was insane. And look at who Oakland might have had: Papelbon

Upton
Loewen
Grienke
Fielder
Moore
Francis
Hermida
Saunders
Greene
Adams
Kazmir
Swisher
Hamels
Ring
Loney
Guthrie
Francouer
Cain
Teahen
Votto
Owings*
Bush
Lester
Broxton
Crain
Reed
McCann
Lewis
Snyder (AZ catcher)
Dukes
Granderson!
Rich Hill
Josh Johnson
Penn
Maine
Scott Olsen
Neshek
Capps
Spilboroughs
Lind*
Kendrick
Zumaya
Shealy
Fahey
Jeff Clement*
Anthony Reyes *
Mike Pelfrey *
Brad Thompson
Brandon McCarthy
Russell Martin
Chuck James
Kameron Loe
Trevor Crowe * (Oakland)
Andy Laroche *
Taylor Teagarden *
Jacoby Ellsbury*
Travis Buck *
Justin Towles * (Oakland)
Ricky Romero *
Luke Hochevar *
Hunter Pence *
Jon Papelbon * (Oakland)
Brian Bannister *

* HS did not sign

[Runs2the1Show]

Arundel was knocked out of the championship tournament in their first game after their bye. I think the team that beat them was Great Mills. Their team is all around solid, I wouldn't give any one player credit for leading the team as far as they got, and if I had to, I would give Pleffner the credit.

Yes your right. I though Elenor Roosevelt was kicked out early? I guess I was wrong. Arundel was the #1 seed overall I believe

[TJ Wrangler]

Yes your right. I though Elenor Roosevelt was kicked out early? I guess I was wrong. Arundel was the #1 seed overall I believe

They were a good team, and are a good team year in and year out. Bernie is a big name coach, and they do a lot of creative recruiting. I'm not sure who the player was, but I think the reason he went to Arundel was to take russian or something (aka to play baseball). Forgive my bias, but I don't think you can find another non-arundel Anne Arundel Public School baseball player that doesn't hate Arundel baseball.

I do try my best to keep my bias aside while rating their players, but Hibbs does not deserve his hype.

[TJ Wrangler]

To clear things up, I'm a recent Glen Burnie graduate, so I've seen a lot of Arundel and all the other county schools.

[MCO'sFan]

Yea, I play against Hoes and Silverstein pretty regularly. Silverstein is about 6-5, 190 think Tillman except lefty. He is going to be a first round draft pick. He is a special player, consistently throws 94-96. LJ is another great player. He plays centerfield for the Cadets. He hits nothing but line drives and has pure speed. He will be a top 5 round draft pick. St. John's has two other guys who I can't think of right now who will probably be top 15 round picks. So overall, the talent in this area is vast.
Another guy i used to play against, Matt Sweeney, was drafted by Anaheim last year and tore up one of the High A leagues out west. My team schrimages Arundel early on so Ill try to check out Hibbs. I know that he led Arundel to the State Championship last year.

Tyler Hibbs is a great H.S. player. I do think he is a 4th to 6th round pick. You are wrong on your facts though. Arundel was knocked out in the second round of the regional play-offs. ER or PG County beat Sherwood from Montgomery County for the 4A state title last year. Arundel won it in 2006.

Another kid that will be a high draft pick is Kevin Brady from Gaithersburg. He is committed to Clemson.

St. John's players are typically overrated. There is always alot of hype but, most do not pan out. Example: Connor Hoehn last year. A lot of hype 12th round pick. Spaulding and Calvert Hall are the real deals.

[TJ Wrangler]

Tyler Hibbs is a great H.S. player. I do think he is a 4th to 6th round pick. You are wrong on your facts though. Arundel was knocked out in the second round of the regional play-offs. ER or PG County beat Sherwood from Montgomery County for the 4A state title last year. Arundel won it in 2006.

Another kid that will be a high draft pick is Kevin Brady from Gaithersburg. He is committed to Clemson.

St. John's players are typically overrated. There is always alot of hype but, most do not pan out. Example: Connor Hoehn last year. A lot of hype 12th round pick. Spaulding and Calvert Hall are the real deals.

When evaluating a prospect, it is important to consider the actual raw talent, and not just the numbers. He puts up great numbers, but simply put, a small right hander who throws in the 83-85 range is not a great pro prospect. He definitely is a great high school player, but he's not a great pro prospect.

[GoldenRay2007]

Tyler Hibbs is a great H.S. player. I do think he is a 4th to 6th round pick. You are wrong on your facts though. Arundel was knocked out in the second round of the regional play-offs. ER or PG County beat Sherwood from Montgomery County for the 4A state title last year. Arundel won it in 2006.

Another kid that will be a high draft pick is Kevin Brady from Gaithersburg. He is committed to Clemson.

St. John's players are typically overrated. There is always alot of hype but, most do not pan out. Example: Connor Hoehn last year. A lot of hype 12th round pick. Spaulding and Calvert Hall are the real deals.

I heard Brady was hitting low 90's at the Southern Maryland showcase in January, I didn't get to personally see him but heard alot about him.

[big leagues 23]

Bernie is a big name coach,

I was talking to a talent evaluator and he that in this area Bernie is a big name coach. Outside of Maryland not many coaches or college coaches know who Bernie Walters is.

[BRob51]

Does anyone know anything about the Alexandria, VA area schools? I go to St. Stephen's and St. Agnes school, and we've got a senior, Connor McGuiness, who is pretty nasty. Also, a few years ago we had Mike Schwimmer, UVA's current ace

[big leagues 23]

They had a guy back in '96 or '97, cant pinpoint the year, but anyway he got a lot of hype and I think had a full ride to UNC? But, he blew out his arm, something with his labrum. He threw 93-95 and big, strong righty. But other than that, no one has really come close.

Tim Sexton graduated in 2005 from Calvert Hall is in the LA Dodgers organization along with Dave Johnson's son, but he went to St. Paul's.

[TJ Wrangler]

I was talking to a talent evaluator and he that in this area Bernie is a big name coach. Outside of Maryland not many coaches or college coaches know who Bernie Walters is.

That comes as a surprise to me. I know Bernie coaches a summer team called the Maryland Monarchs, which has a lot of UMBC and Delaware players. I also know that team does a lot of traveling and such. The real talent on that team is the Delaware shortstop. His name escapes me at the moment, but he went to Old Mill High School. Also, on that team, Hibbs was sharing time more than he was tearing up the league.

[TJ Wrangler]

Just looked it up....the Delaware shortstop is Alex Buchholz.

[MiggysTHEMAN]

Sander Beck, RHP, from Severn has committed to pitch at Maryland next year and could be another draft candidate from AA County. Lives in Severna Park, same place Teixeira and Gavin Floyd grew up

[big leagues 23]

Another good player is Austin Poretz out of St. Mary's. He throws consistently around 89-90 MPH. I don't know if he is a draft canidate, but certaintly a D-1 prospect.

[MiggysTHEMAN]

Out of curiosity what do the other AA county experts think of Beck? I'm interested because he's a very close friend of mine and seems more projectable than Hibbs

[TJ Wrangler]

Out of curiosity what do the other AA county experts think of Beck? I'm interested because he's a very close friend of mine and seems more projectable than Hibbs

What school did he go to? The name rings a bell.

[big leagues 23]

That comes as a surprise to me. I know Bernie coaches a summer team called the Maryland Monarchs, which has a lot of UMBC and Delaware players. I also know that team does a lot of traveling and such. The real talent on that team is the Delaware shortstop. His name escapes me at the moment, but he went to Old Mill High School. Also, on that team, Hibbs was sharing time more than he was tearing up the league.

The Maryland Monarchs play teams mostly around the MD/DC area.

[Runs2the1Show]

Tyler Hibbs is a great H.S. player. I do think he is a 4th to 6th round pick. You are wrong on your facts though. Arundel was knocked out in the second round of the regional play-offs. ER or PG County beat Sherwood from Montgomery County for the 4A state title last year. Arundel won it in 2006.

Another kid that will be a high draft pick is Kevin Brady from Gaithersburg. He is committed to Clemson.

St. John's players are typically overrated. There is always alot of hype but, most do not pan out. Example: Connor Hoehn last year. A lot of hype 12th round pick. Spaulding and Calvert Hall are the real deals.

Yea, Kevin Brady is someone I face a lot also, because his team and mine are in the same Division. I attended a lot of his legion team, Post 104, games because I had a lot of teammates on 104. He is about 6-3, real big kid. He will certainly be a top 10 round draft pick. I think he topped out at 92, but what makes him so special is his accuracy. He doesn't miss a spot.

[AgentOrange]

They had a guy back in '96 or '97, cant pinpoint the year, but anyway he got a lot of hype and I think had a full ride to UNC? But, he blew out his arm, something with his labrum. He threw 93-95 and big, strong righty. But other than that, no one has really come close.


I know Andy Bair was a beast back in HS. I think he graduated in '95. I don't think he went to UNC. He was drafted by the Marlins. Had a pretty nice signing bonus, and then threw out his arm.

I played baseball with his brith Steve. I think that is how you spell his last name.

They had another guy who I think was a better statistical pitcher that year, but I can't remember his name. I think his last name was McCall, but I could be wrong. I have a feeling it was Mc... just can't pinpoint it.

And BoomBoom, no one was Calvert Hall is in the Majors right now, which suprises me, because they have always had good teams. I believe in 97 we were ranked #5 in the country by USA Today for a period of time. We played two teams ranked in the top 20 in this tournament in NJ, beat them both. The week later we were ranked 5. (I was still a soph on JV). And then we held that spot for like 2 weeks or so and MSJ beat us in confrenece and they eneded up ranked 18th the next week. Go figure. :rolleyes:

There were a lot of good players on that team, including Bret Holmes (bretholmes4), he was a baller.

[big leagues 23]

What school did he go to? The name rings a bell.

Severn, but I heard somewhere he may have transfered to Severna Park.

[Runs2the1Show]

I know Andy Bair was a beast back in HS. I think he graduated in '95. I don't think he went to UNC. He was drafted by the Marlins. Had a pretty nice signing bonus, and then threw out his arm.

I played baseball with his brith Steve. I think that is how you spell his last name.

They had another guy who I think was a better statistical pitcher that year, but I can't remember his name. I think his last name was McCall, but I could be wrong. I have a feeling it was Mc... just can't pinpoint it.

And BoomBoom, no one was Calvert Hall is in the Majors right now, which suprises me, because they have always had good teams. I believe in 97 we were ranked #5 in the country by USA Today for a period of time. We played two teams ranked in the top 20 in this tournament in NJ, beat them both. The week later we were ranked 5. (I was still a soph on JV). And then we held that spot for like 2 weeks or so and MSJ beat us in confrenece and they eneded up ranked 18th the next week. Go figure. :rolleyes:

There were a lot of good players on that team, including Bret Holmes (bretholmes4), he was a baller.

That might be who im thinking off. But jsut becasue he didn't go to UNC, doesn't mean he didn't have a full ride their. He was probably going to go there, except he was drafted very high and decided to go Pro.

[TJ Wrangler]

The Maryland Monarchs play teams mostly around the MD/DC area.

They always played in my legion team's (Pasadena Saints) memorial day invitational tournament. They're a pretty stacked team. The tiny Chesapeake high school field really provided a lot of longballs in that tournament.

[AgentOrange]

That might be who im thinking off. But jsut becasue he didn't go to UNC, doesn't mean he didn't have a full ride their. He was probably going to go there, except he was drafted very high and decided to go Pro.

I am not trying to call you out. I was just saying that Andy went pro out of HS. There was another guy that was pretty good as well that year. He might have went to UNC and you may have been talking about him. That was all I was saying.

[TJ Wrangler]

Severn, but I heard somewhere he may have transfered to Severna Park.

Severn Prep? I'll admit that I'm not very knowledgeable about private schools in the area.

[big leagues 23]

For anyone curioues about Calvert Hall they are playing spalding April 9th 4:00 at Spalding and they play again April 30 4:00 at Calvert Hall should be a great matchup.

[Runs2the1Show]

I am not trying to call you out. I was just saying that Andy went pro out of HS. There was another guy that was pretty good as well that year. He might have went to UNC and you may have been talking about him. That was all I was saying.

Haha. No, I dont think you are calling me out. Sorry if I made it seem that way. You are probably right. Again, sorry for rubbing off that way.

[big leagues 23]

Severn Prep? I'll admit that I'm not very knowledgeable about private schools in the area.

I just know it as Severn High School. It's located in Severna Park not to far from Severna Park High School.

[Runs2the1Show]

I heard Brady was hitting low 90's at the Southern Maryland showcase in January, I didn't get to personally see him but heard alot about him.

Yea, Brady is a really good pitcher. But his stats are somewhat inflatted. He primarily pitches against weak competition, not always, but usually. For example, he has never faced my high school squad, and we were 18-4 last year, with a great offense. He did face a 1-19 team twice as well as a couple 5 wins teams. He did pitch fairly well against on local power house, Quince Orchard, but got smacked by another, Damascus. I think he is a bit overrated but nonetheless a great pitcher.

[TJ Wrangler]

I just know it as Severn High School. It's located in Severna Park not to far from Severna Park High School.

I'm pretty sure that we're talking about the same school....and in that case, I don't know much about anyone who plays there.

[big leagues 23]

I'm pretty sure that we're talking about the same school....and in that case, I don't know much about anyone who plays there.

I don't know a whole about who plays their either. The only one I know is Sander Beck. I do know Severn plays in the MIAA B conference and was 12-6 last season with a 10-4 conference record.

[AgentOrange]

Haha. No, I dont think you are calling me out. Sorry if I made it seem that way. You are probably right. Again, sorry for rubbing off that way.

It's all good man. I just remember two good pitchers that year, and Andy was one of them. But you may have been talking about the other guy. I wish I remembered his name.

[big leagues 23]

Does anyone else think we should see if a high school baseball forum could be made?

[TJ Wrangler]

Does anyone else think we should see if a high school baseball forum could be made?

Not a bad idea actually, maybe even a high school sports forum. That would be completely up to the OH staff though.

[big leagues 23]

Not a bad idea actually, maybe even a high school sports forum. That would be completely up to the OH staff though.

I asked Tony about it, still waiting on a response. Do you think it would be better to have like a different forum for each type of sport?

[TJ Wrangler]

I asked Tony about it, still waiting on a response. Do you think it would be better to have like a different forum for each type of sport?

I'd suggest a high school section, with each sport being a subforum. Kind of like how we have Orioles and Baseball, then Orioles talk, minors, etc.

Something like High School Sports, then high school baseball, high school football, etc.

I actualy think its a good idea, but I'm not sure if the staff will find it practical.

[big leagues 23]

I'd suggest a high school section, with each sport being a subforum. Kind of like how we have Orioles and Baseball, then Orioles talk, minors, etc.

Something like High School Sports, then high school baseball, high school football, etc.

I actualy think its a good idea, but I'm not sure if the staff will find it practical.

Thats what I was thinking and then possibly have like another set of subforums, Idk if thats possible, for each county so that way it's easier to update on stadings, key matchups, schedules, and top players.

[TJ Wrangler]

Sounds good. Maybe it would help to gauge interest among everyone, just so we can prove that such a section would be in demand.

[big leagues 23]

Sounds good. Maybe it would help to gauge interest among everyone, just so we can prove that such a section would be in demand.

Should I post a poll in the Orioles baseball forum or shoul I wait until I hear back from Tony and then see what the interest would be?

[TJ Wrangler]

Should I post a poll in the Orioles baseball forum or shoul I wait until I hear back from Tony and then see what the interest would be?

Completely up to you. Maybe ask Tony if he'll do it pending you can get so much interest for it. I'm still fairly new here, so I'm not exactly sure how the staff would handle something like this.

[MCO'sFan]

When evaluating a prospect, it is important to consider the actual raw talent, and not just the numbers. He puts up great numbers, but simply put, a small right hander who throws in the 83-85 range is not a great pro prospect. He definitely is a great high school player, but he's not a great pro prospect.

Thanks, that is what I said Great H.S. player. I don't see him as pitcher but, rather as a position player.

[MCO'sFan]

I was talking to a talent evaluator and he that in this area Bernie is a big name coach. Outside of Maryland not many coaches or college coaches know who Bernie Walters is.
I am not trying to be rude but, you don't know what you are talking about. Bernie Walter was elected the ABCA (American Baseball Coaches Association) Hall of Fame in 2007. ABCA is the largest coaches association. There are less than a dozen H.S> coaches in that HoF. It is mostly college coaches. Bernie has been selected and coached the Jr. USA baseball team a few years back. He is one of the best known and well respected H.S. coaches in the nation.

[MCO'sFan]

Yea, Brady is a really good pitcher. But his stats are somewhat inflatted. He primarily pitches against weak competition, not always, but usually. For example, he has never faced my high school squad, and we were 18-4 last year, with a great offense. He did face a 1-19 team twice as well as a couple 5 wins teams. He did pitch fairly well against on local power house, Quince Orchard, but got smacked by another, Damascus. I think he is a bit overrated but nonetheless a great pitcher.

I guess I agree with your basic points. He did pitch against some weaker teams. But, he did beat Damascus in the play-offs and after the 4th inning he shut them down. Also, he did most of the damage with the bat. He pitched a 3 hitter for team Maryland in OK last year and was voted the MVP on Team Maryland and all tournament team. He also a pre-season UA all american.

[MCO'sFan]

Does anyone else think we should see if a high school baseball forum could be made?

There used to be one but, it didn't get much activity.

[big leagues 23]

I am not trying to be rude but, you don't know what you are talking about. Bernie Walter was elected the ABCA (American Baseball Coaches Association) Hall of Fame in 2007. ABCA is the largest coaches association. There are less than a dozen H.S> coaches in that HoF. It is mostly college coaches. Bernie has been selected and coached the Jr. USA baseball team a few years back. He is one of the best known and well respected H.S. coaches in the nation.

Thats not what I said, nor is it my opinion. That is what a local talent evaluator said to me.

[MCO'sFan]

Thats not what I said, nor is it my opinion. That is what a local talent evaluator said to me.

Ok, sorry. I should have said that the talent evaluator doesn't know what he is talking about. I really meant it, when I said, I wasn't trying to be rude.

[big leagues 23]

Ok, sorry. I should have said that the talent evaluator doesn't know what he is talking about. I really meant it, when I said, I wasn't trying to be rude.

I understand. I think the point the talent evaluator was trying to say playing under Bernie Walters doesn't mean anything to college coaches. Sorry if my comment was rude.

[JohnD]

A friend of mine just took over at McNamara in Forestville. He was a longtime assistant at DeMatha before, and was named Maryland's assistant coach of the year a few years back. He's starting to build things up there, but expect a senior he's got to explode in the WCAC this year. Ryan Harris, who will start in RF when he isn't pitching. He can hit high 80s to around 90 with his fastball. Runs a 6.7 60. Has good power too. He's been offered to Towson and had feelers with Maryland.

[wayne25]

I just really don't like investing much in high school kids no matter how highly touted they come, anyone else feel this way?

Does that mean you would not have been interested in Eddie Murray, Cal Ripken, Jim Palmer, Alex Rod., Jeter, etc.? You take the best talent, otherwise you short-change yourself.

[Flosman]

A question for you guys back in MD. I am from southern Maryland and played everything in HS and went on to play College FB. I have since moved on to FL. My focus was always Football growing up. I loved baseball and was a pretty darn good hitter, but was not the best 1b with the glove in the world. My HS coaches were idiots, i did not know that at the time but I see it now. I had great years pitching on the varsity ( which was the only team we had) in the 9th grad and half of my 10th grade season. After that my arm hurt all the time and never had a lick of control. Heck I could hardly throw well enough to play 1b but I could hit so they had to put me somewhere. But anyway on to the question. I was amazed by the HS baseball programs in FL. These are year round deals with excellent instruction going on. They have great facilities, meaning real stadiums, practice facilities and all of the schools have 9th grade and JV teams. The difference in facilities has been just eyeopening to me. I remember most of the fields we played on not having fences or maybe one which was really the fence around a tennis court or at the schools property line. The programs charge money to attend the games, even the JV and freshman games, which was never done when i played. Heck most of the schools didn't have enough seats to have 50 people sit on a bleacher back then. Most of the really top players are baseball players only. Meaning that they don't play Football. Spring football interferes with the baseball season and you have to be exceptional for either of the coaches to put up with it. I guess I am wondering if MD HS baseball has developed similarly or is it still just something to do in the spring?

[TJ Wrangler]

Thanks, that is what I said Great H.S. player. I don't see him as pitcher but, rather as a position player.

Thats why I made sure I included that in my reply. I didn't want to sound like I was completely disregarding your opinion.

[TJ Wrangler]

I understand. I think the point the talent evaluator was trying to say playing under Bernie Walters doesn't mean anything to college coaches. Sorry if my comment was rude.

Well by playing baseball in the county, Bernie Walters does mean a lot of media hype and a lot of suspicious "transfers."

[TJ Wrangler]

I guess I am wondering if MD HS baseball has developed similarly or is it still just something to do in the spring?

At least in Anne Arundel county, its still a spring only thing, running from March 1st to whenever you're out of the final tournament. The stadiums are generally crappy, and wouldn't even compare to a pro field. Some places are nice, but they're high school nice, not minor league nice.

[MCO'sFan]

A question for you guys back in MD. I am from southern Maryland and played everything in HS and went on to play College FB. I have since moved on to FL. My focus was always Football growing up. I loved baseball and was a pretty darn good hitter, but was not the best 1b with the glove in the world. My HS coaches were idiots, i did not know that at the time but I see it now. I had great years pitching on the varsity ( which was the only team we had) in the 9th grad and half of my 10th grade season. After that my arm hurt all the time and never had a lick of control. Heck I could hardly throw well enough to play 1b but I could hit so they had to put me somewhere. But anyway on to the question. I was amazed by the HS baseball programs in FL. These are year round deals with excellent instruction going on. They have great facilities, meaning real stadiums, practice facilities and all of the schools have 9th grade and JV teams. The difference in facilities has been just eyeopening to me. I remember most of the fields we played on not having fences or maybe one which was really the fence around a tennis court or at the schools property line. The programs charge money to attend the games, even the JV and freshman games, which was never done when i played. Heck most of the schools didn't have enough seats to have 50 people sit on a bleacher back then. Most of the really top players are baseball players only. Meaning that they don't play Football. Spring football interferes with the baseball season and you have to be exceptional for either of the coaches to put up with it. I guess I am wondering if MD HS baseball has developed similarly or is it still just something to do in the spring?
If a kid is dedicated to baseball he can play it during the Fall, Spring and Summer. Most play in the Spring and Summer. The problem with Maryland H.S. Baseball is that teachers get preference when coaching job are filled. This limits the pool and talent. Also, in Maryland, coaches cannot have baseball related contact with their teams until March 1st. That means that they can only work with their players from March 1st until the end of their season which is mid-to-late May. Which means they can't do anything for 9 plus months out of 12.

[MCO'sFan]

I understand. I think the point the talent evaluator was trying to say playing under Bernie Walters doesn't mean anything to college coaches. Sorry if my comment was rude.

I am really not trying to pick a fight and I'll admit that "he doesn't mean anything to college coaches." could mean several different things. But, I still disagree with what he said. I went to the ABCA convention in Philly this past January and personally saw Bernie Walter talking casually with Mike Martin, Pat Casey, Pat Murphy, Pat McMohan, the guy from Vandebilt (I can't remember his name) and a couple of other guys I didn't know. They are the head coaches for Florida State, Arizona State, Former U. Florida (now Yankees MiL Manager), Vanderbilt, etc... Pretty impressive company.

This wasn't your point but, I wanted to share something else. I was at a H.S. all-star game at Camden Yards last year and Sam Perlozo (Sp?) walked up to Bernie and called him by name and said something to the effect "its' great to see you old friend how's the family."

Also, just fyi his last name is Walter, not Walters.

I think that if you are college coach who recruits in Maryland you'd had better know who Bernie is.

[Flosman]

If a kid is dedicated to baseball he can play it during the Fall, Spring and Summer. Most play in the Spring and Summer. The problem with Maryland H.S. Baseball is that teachers get preference when coaching job are filled. This limits the pool and talent. Also, in Maryland, coaches cannot have baseball related contact with their teams until March 1st. That means that they can only work with their players from March 1st until the end of their season which is mid-to-late May. Which means they can't do anything for 9 plus months out of 12.

The way they get around the date restrictions around here is by having a "coaches clinic" for a couple of the Boosters, maybe a parent or some long standing friend of the program. They actually run the practices and games for the coach. The HS coach regular meets with the "off season coach". These things can't be mandatory, but the HS coaches respond by saying your kid making the team isn't mandatory either.

All this being said I don't know if the players are better around here, but they certainly are much more polished than I remember from my days. There is one public school in the area that has simply turn out an incredible number of ML players. By incredible I mean numbers that rival Most DI programs. All of the public schools try to recruit alittle which was not done much in MD in my day.

[big leagues 23]

The way they get around the date restrictions around here is by having a "coaches clinic" for a couple of the Boosters, maybe a parent or some long standing friend of the program. They actually run the practices and games for the coach. The HS coach regular meets with the "off season coach". These things can't be mandatory, but the HS coaches respond by saying your kid making the team isn't mandatory either.

All this being said I don't know if the players are better around here, but they certainly are much more polished than I remember from my days. There is one public school in the area that has simply turn out an incredible number of ML players. By incredible I mean numbers that rival Most DI programs. All of the public schools try to recruit alittle which was not done much in MD in my day.

I know some of the private schools starts workouts( lifting, conditioning, and drills) once school starts.

[JohnD]

Yeah, lots of workouts during the week and clinics on the weekends, which are open to students of middle and high school age from a number of different schools. The workouts during the week are just conditioning and strength stuff.

[MCO'sFan]

I know some of the private schools starts workouts( lifting, conditioning, and drills) once school starts.

The same for some public schools. It depends on the coach. There are no restrictions on strenght and conditioning only baseball specific stuff.

[Runs2the1Show]

If a kid is dedicated to baseball he can play it during the Fall, Spring and Summer. Most play in the Spring and Summer. The problem with Maryland H.S. Baseball is that teachers get preference when coaching job are filled. This limits the pool and talent. Also, in Maryland, coaches cannot have baseball related contact with their teams until March 1st. That means that they can only work with their players from March 1st until the end of their season which is mid-to-late May. Which means they can't do anything for 9 plus months out of 12.

Haha. I am a high school pitcher and i must say, it is not that easy. It cost money because in the fall/winter/early spring, you have to rent out an indoor facility, which costs a lot of money.

[Runs2the1Show]

The same for some public schools. It depends on the coach. There are no restrictions on strenght and conditioning only baseball specific stuff.

Yea, my team conditions every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday since school started. Of course, we also hold involuntary practices, which are allowed as long as a coach is not present.

[paulcoates]

Former MSJ pitcher here (1990).

My junio year we had 10 guys on our team play college ball. At one point in time that year we were ranked 7th in the country, but lost to CH in the finals against Chris Holcombe who was a really good pitcher. If memory serves he was back to back player of the yearand went like 25-1 over his junior and senior year and went to Stanford.

When I was at St Joe, CH's best players were Konopacki (Sp?), Joe Hughes (my counterpart) and Weltlinger from what I remember.

Biggest regret of my life was not playing college ball. And stupid me had some chances to do so but I was set on going to WVU. Of course once I got there, I met the coach and hated him.

Always hated CH, but I gotta say, they are one of the top 5 high school programs in Md over the past 25 years or so. I imagine some of the other teams in that top 5 would be MSJ, Arundel, and maybe Old Mill).

[paulcoates]

on another note, I never had much respect for Bernie. Reason being for me is simple. We played Arundel in a scrimmage at their place and beat them something like 8-3 or 8-5 if memory serves.

Then later he told the AA county beat writer in an interview (Pat O'Malley I think is his name) that "we didn't keep score, but I am pretty sure we outscored them"

I just felt it was very dishonest of him and never had any respect for the guy after that.

[MCO'sFan]

Haha. I am a high school pitcher and i must say, it is not that easy. It cost money because in the fall/winter/early spring, you have to rent out an indoor facility, which costs a lot of money.

Haha. Please re-read my post. I said Fall, Spring and Summer. There are leagues that play (outside) during those season. I didn't say anything about winter and early spring. But, if you want to be picky. Spring doesn't start until the baseball season has started so, you really are outside during "early spring"

[AgentOrange]

on another note, I never had much respect for Bernie. Reason being for me is simple. We played Arundel in a scrimmage at their place and beat them something like 8-3 or 8-5 if memory serves.

Then later he told the AA county beat writer in an interview (Pat O'Malley I think is his name) that "we didn't keep score, but I am pretty sure we outscored them"

I just felt it was very dishonest of him and never had any respect for the guy after that.

I don't have much respect for him either, I went to CH. Must be a private school thing. :p

[paulcoates]

I don't have much respect for him either, I went to CH. Must be a private school thing. :p

did you play for CH? what year did you graduate?

[higgybaby]

I was wondering about baseball back home in MD too. I am from MD originally and I live out here in Indiana right now. we have year round baseball with indoor training and games during the winter that my 14 year old participates in 4 times a week from sept thru march. at the facility that my son trains in, they have a very high number of kids that go on to play high college and even further.

I know it is directly related to the dedication of playing and training year round with uber qualified coaching. Is there anything like this back home?

btw, I am all for a high school forum too.

[big leagues 23]

I was wondering about baseball back home in MD too. I am from MD originally and I live out here in Indiana right now. we have year round baseball with indoor training and games during the winter that my 14 year old participates in 4 times a week from sept thru march. at the facility that my son trains in, they have a very high number of kids that go on to play high college and even further.

I know it is directly related to the dedication of playing and training year round with uber qualified coaching. Is there anything like this back home?

btw, I am all for a high school forum too.

This offseason my high school started training once school started with practice monday wednesday friday lifting and long toss on tuesday and thursday, and once winter came we moved practicing indoors wednesday friday and saturday with lifting on monday wednesday and friday.

[big leagues 23]

For anyone curious Archbishop Spalding beat Riverdale Baptist today 2-1.

[MiggysTHEMAN]

Sander Beck (Severn) threw a no-hitter vs. Severna Park today. For those who said they didn't know much about him it's about time he got recognized... hes committed to Maryland