People who leave their dogs outside all the time.

[gallden]

Why do these people even have dogs if all they do is stay outside. I understand during the day and while you are working provided there is adequate shelter and such. But it really makes me mad, IMO there should be tougher laws about this.

[crstrobel]

Why do these people even have dogs if all they do is stay outside. I understand during the day and while you are working provided there is adequate shelter and such. But it really makes me mad, IMO there should be tougher laws about this.


Why tougher laws? I keep my dog outside all the time. (unless the temp drops below freezing)

Here are my reasons

-He is way too big to be an inside dog, (125 lbs) when I do let him in he trashes my house.
-He doesn't want to be inside, when I bring him in he hangs out for about an hour or 2 then he starts scratching at the door to go out
-and the #1 reason why I don't keep him inside is because my wife (although being a dog lover) is violently allergic to animals. If our dog was inside 24/7 it would not be a happy house (if you get my drift!:D )

[Why Not?]

Why tougher laws? I keep my dog outside all the time. (unless the temp drops below freezing)

Here are my reasons

-He is way too big to be an inside dog, (125 lbs) when I do let him in he trashes my house.
-He doesn't want to be inside, when I bring him in he hangs out for about an hour or 2 then he starts scratching at the door to go out
-and the #1 reason why I don't keep him inside is because my wife (although being a dog lover) is violently allergic to animals. If our dog was inside 24/7 it would not be a happy house (if you get my drift!:D )

Those all seem like valid reasons to not have the dog.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Me and my mom went for a walk on Monday, when it was absolutely gorgeous, and as we were walking we went past a house with a dog looking out the window, and all I could think about was how much that dog looked like it wanted to be outside.

[crstrobel]

Those all seem like valid reasons to not have the dog.

No, they are valid reasons why I should keep my dog outside.

[Jik]

Why is this such a problem?

My dog is outside 75% of the time, and on a normal basis go outside to play catch and have a good time. Is it hard to believe that people have fun with their dog while outside?

Or has pop culture groomed the next generation to think this way? Jesus.

[Icterus galbula]

Agree with Jik and crstrobel. A dog is still an animal, and at that an animal that has the natural inclination to run around a lot. As long as the temp is fine, there's no issue with it in my book.

[Pedro Cerrano]

In my opinion, I'd have a much bigger problem with people leaving their dogs inside all the time than outside.*


*Assuming it's an outdoor dog, not like my 11-year-old cocker spaniel who stays outside a grand total of 5 minutes before he wants to be let back in.

[Miller192]

I think I see where the OP is coming from; people who leave their dogs outside because they're lazy (the people that is.)

My dogs loves it outside except when it gets a little cold. If it's 50 and sunny the last thing he wants to do is sit inside.

[gallden]

I think I see where the OP is coming from; people who leave their dogs outside because they're lazy (the people that is.)

My dogs loves it outside except when it gets a little cold. If it's 50 and sunny the last thing he wants to do is sit inside.

Right thanks. I should have been a little more specific I ride by this one dog in particular all the time that is stricken to his leash. What kind of life is that for him/her. I think with these people in particular like Miller said its just plain laziness.

[Why Not?]

Right thanks. I should have been a little more specific I ride by this one dog in particular all the time that is stricken to his leash. What kind of life is that for him/her. I think with these people in particular like Miller said its just plain laziness.

Bingo. What's the point of having the dog if you don't want the dog's company and the dog doesn't want your company? At that point, you don't have a pet, you have a chore.

It's not a dog's fault if it tears up a house or if it weighs 125 pounds. It's the owner's fault for failing to train the dog and the owner's fault for not realizing that the cute little puppy was going to grow up. When I see a dog that lives apart from its owner, I see an owner unwilling to admit that they made a mistake in getting the dog in the first place. A dog is a responsibility that some people can't handle.

[McLovin]

When I was a kid my next door neighbor had a gigantic huskey who was kept in the yard year round for basically my entire childhood. Teelo was his name. I saw that dog for about ten years, and he basically just waited to die in that yard. And this was a city rowhouse yard - maybe 130 square feet. Over those ten years, I can remember only one time that the dog was either walked or brought in - one night he came inside for a hurricane. I think if it wasn't for me and my Dad, no one ever would have paid the dog any attention at all...

[crstrobel]

Bingo. What's the point of having the dog if you don't want the dog's company and the dog doesn't want your company? At that point, you don't have a pet, you have a chore.

It's not a dog's fault if it tears up a house or if it weighs 125 pounds. It's the owner's fault for failing to train the dog and the owner's fault for not realizing that the cute little puppy was going to grow up. When I see a dog that lives apart from its owner, I see an owner unwilling to admit that they made a mistake in getting the dog in the first place. A dog is a responsibility that some people can't handle.

You do realize we are talking about animals don't you? I have a friend who has a 140lb minature horse should he keep him inside? I don't see any fault if you prepare your yard for your dog. I personally have about a 1/4 acre fenced in backyard where my dog roames free. You can't honestly tell me that my dog would have a better life living inside my 2000 sq ft home.

[TGO]

You do realize we are talking about animals don't you? I have a friend who has a 140lb minature horse should he keep him inside? I don't see any fault if you prepare your yard for your dog. I personally have about a 1/4 acre fenced in backyard where my dog roames free. You can't honestly tell me that my dog would have a better life living inside my 2000 sq ft home.

Obviously the situation matters, which is why I don't think a law is the answer. If you aren't tying up your dog, and he loves it outside and hates it inside, I don't see the problem.

The problem is with the lazy jerks who tie up their dogs and just leave them there. I lived near a dog like the one McLovin mentioned. Actually I think it was a husky as well. The yard wasn't fully fenced in so they kept the dog on about a fifteen or twenty foot rope, and the dog would howl all the time. Those people did not deserve to own that dog.

[tennOsfan]

There's nothing wrong with keeping a dog outside.

But there is something wrong with completely ignoring it. If the dog stays outside, at least take it for a walk every day or two. Go spend 15 minutes of your attention on it every day.

I have a neighbor who keeps her cocker spaniel in an outside kennel, and I swear I have never seen that dog outside of it. What's the point in having the dog?

[Why Not?]

You do realize we are talking about animals don't you? I have a friend who has a 140lb minature horse should he keep him inside? I don't see any fault if you prepare your yard for your dog. I personally have about a 1/4 acre fenced in backyard where my dog roames free. You can't honestly tell me that my dog would have a better life living inside my 2000 sq ft home.

Dogs aren't horses, but they aren't patio furniture either. Your dog is just patio furniture that poops in the yard.

I'm not a crazy PETA guy or anything. But why do you have a dog that you don't want around and doesn't want to be around you? Why not save the dog food money and get a big TV or something that you actually want.

[McLovin]

I have a friend who has a 140lb minature horse should he keep him inside?
Rob and Big say yes.

[ChrisAF79]

I have no problem with people leaving their dogs outside all of the time. If the dog is happier that way, then awesome. The only time it becomes an issue for me is if said dog barks CONSTANTLY.

Living in the city, I think this happens way too often. When the weather is nice, I love to leave the windows open. There is nothing more annoying than the neighbor behind me leaving their dog outside for hours at a time, and subsequently being forced to listen to that racket. Especially when I'm trying to read!

[crstrobel]

Dogs aren't horses, but they aren't patio furniture either. Your dog is just patio furniture that poops in the yard.

I'm not a crazy PETA guy or anything. But why do you have a dog that you don't want around and doesn't want to be around you? Why not save the dog food money and get a big TV or something that you actually want.


Boy, you really are ignorant. You don't know the quality of life my dog has. If you ask me he has it pretty good. I never said I don't want him around. I never said that its a chore to feed him, give him water, and bathe him. And, I have never ever looked at him as "patio furniture that craps in the yard".:rolleyes:
I just don't want him in my house, and he doesn't want to be in my house. As I said before dogs are animals its in their nature to be outside.

[Why Not?]

Boy, you really are ignorant. You don't know the quality of life my dog has. If you ask me he has it pretty good. I never said I don't want him around. I never said that its a chore to feed him, give him water, and bathe him. And, I have never ever looked at him as "patio furniture that craps in the yard".:rolleyes:
I just don't want him in my house, and he doesn't want to be in my house. As I said before dogs are animals its in their nature to be outside.

Name-calling is fun!

I disagree. It's not like we're talking about some wild beast or an elk or something. Most dogs want to please their masters. So I guess if it pleases you and your dog to avoid each other....mission accomplished.

Still, I don't get the point of having the dog.

[Icterus galbula]

Name-calling is fun!

I disagree. It's not like we're talking about some wild beast or an elk or something. Most dogs want to please their masters. So I guess if it pleases you and your dog to avoid each other....mission accomplished.

Still, I don't get the point of having the dog.


It might not be my business, but you sorta baited him into the "ignorant" comment with your holier-than-thou attitude about his dog and situation that you really know very little about.

If the dog is happy, thats what matters in the end.

[Mackus]

Name-calling is fun!

I disagree. It's not like we're talking about some wild beast or an elk or something. Most dogs want to please their masters. So I guess if it pleases you and your dog to avoid each other....mission accomplished.

Still, I don't get the point of having the dog.He's right on this account. And IG made a spot on post.

He can still be around the dog plenty and leave it outside all the time. People are allowed outside in some counties. Sometimes for hours at a time.

[McLovin]

Please be civil all...

[Mad Mark]

Here's my take.
When El decided she wanted a dog, I said "no ponies". (Meaning no big dogs. We have a 1500 sqf house...and no back yard!) Since we're both allergic (me more than her) we wound up getting Bichons. Solves the allergy problem, solves the size problem. The only "outside" problem we have is when it's cold, and Kramer wants to be out...but Satchel just wants to sit by the open door to make sure Kramer can't come back in!
Satchel and Kramer (http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh286/msutton59/DSC00999foremail.jpg)

[crstrobel]

Name-calling is fun!

I disagree. It's not like we're talking about some wild beast or an elk or something. Most dogs want to please their masters. So I guess if it pleases you and your dog to avoid each other....mission accomplished.

Still, I don't get the point of having the dog.

No, I am not playing the name calling game. I am stating the fact that calling ones dog "patio furniture that poops in the yard" is ignorant. Especially, if you have no knowledge of the situation.
Why is everything so black and white with you? I have laid out my arguments on why I keep him outside. The only retort you have is calling my dog patio furniture, and generalizing that I "avoid" him. :rolleyes:

[Why Not?]

No, I am not playing the name calling game. I am stating the fact that calling ones dog "patio furniture that poops in the yard" is ignorant. Especially, if you have no knowledge of the situation.
Why is everything so black and white with you? I have laid out my arguments on why I keep him outside. The only retort you have is calling my dog patio furniture, and generalizing that I "avoid" him. :rolleyes:

That's the way I see it.

The way you describe the situation, It seems like after you got the dog you realized that a) it got too big; b) you didn't have the time or desire to train it and c) having a dog in the house makes your wife miserable. As I said earlier, those sound like reasons to NOT get a dog....things that should be considered before adding the dog to your situation. Maybe you are the exception, but generally people don't acquire a dog with the intent of leaving it outside.

I can't say whether your dog is happy or not, but dogs typically want companionship more than anything. (Well, companionship and food).

[crstrobel]

It might not be my business, but you sorta baited him into the "ignorant" comment with your holier-than-thou attitude about his dog and situation that you really know very little about.

If the dog is happy, thats what matters in the end.

Thank you. For the record when my dog was a puppy I lived in a 2 bedroom town home. Had to keep him inside 24/7. The only outside time he had was when we went for walks, bathroom breaks etc.(all on a leash) He hated it, and I hated it for him.

[crstrobel]

That's the way I see it.

The way you describe the situation, It seems like after you got the dog you realized that a) it got too big; b) you didn't have the time or desire to train it and c) having a dog in the house makes your wife miserable. As I said earlier, those sound like reasons to NOT get a dog....things that should be considered before adding the dog to your situation. Maybe you are the exception, but generally people don't acquire a dog with the intent of leaving it outside.

I can't say whether your dog is happy or not, but dogs typically want companionship more than anything. (Well, companionship and food).

a- No, I knew what I was getting into as I have had the same breed when I was growing up.
b- False, dog is well trained, (house broken, very good w/ my 1 yr old son, does all the usual tricks, very loving and obedient)
c-Had the dog before the wife. What was I supposed to do give him away? No way. The wife didn't mind if we kept it, Just as long as he was kept outside!

[TGO]

a- No, I knew what I was getting into as I have had the same breed when I was growing up.
b- False, dog is well trained, (house broken, very good w/ my 1 yr old son, does all the usual tricks, very loving and obedient)
c-Had the dog before the wife. What was I supposed to do give him away? No way. The wife didn't mind if we kept it, Just as long as he was kept outside!

You could, you know, put the wife outside. :D

[CrimsonTribe]

You could, you know, put the wife outside. :D

That's my plan. ;)

[twoBshorty]

a- No, I knew what I was getting into as I have had the same breed when I was growing up.
b- False, dog is well trained, (house broken, very good w/ my 1 yr old son, does all the usual tricks, very loving and obedient)
c-Had the dog before the wife. What was I supposed to do give him away? No way. The wife didn't mind if we kept it, Just as long as he was kept outside!

Ahhh, this explains it better. I was thinking, "Why in the world would you get a dog if your wife is allergic?" But if you already had it, that makes sense, and I commend you for figuring out how to keep the dog around instead of dumping it off in a shelter like so many people do.

[crstrobel]

You could, you know, put the wife outside. :D

Its crossed my mind once or twice!:D

[gallden]

What my orginal post was intended to be about was people who simply leave their dogs outside, leave their dogs outside in frigid temperatures, and leave their dogs outside because they are to sodding lazy to care about them.

The law that I was refering to is a leash law or something of the sort meaning that the leash has to be __ft long its hard because who would ever monitor that.

[ScottieBaseball]

What my orginal post was intended to be about was people who simply leave their dogs outside, leave their dogs outside in frigid temperatures, and leave their dogs outside because they are to sodding lazy to care about them.

The law that I was refering to is a leash law or something of the sort meaning that the leash has to be __ft long its hard because who would ever monitor that.

You're a troublemaker regardless... ;)

For the record, my 100+ lb. Rottweiler/Great Dane Mix sleeps in a twin bed with my 9 year old son. Guinness cringes when he's got to outside and, heaven forbid, the ground is damp. He doesn't tear anything up in the house (any more...it took training and a few lost pillows/shoes/socks/stuffed animals/etc.) and is unbelievably gentle and protective over my wife and kids even though my daughter isn't a big fan of his (we adopted him from a shelter, his tail wasn't cropped, so the last year or so of her laugh has been at "wagging height" of that lion tamer's whip) and she usually orders him out of the room when she walks in to play...and he listens.

To each his own (especially when allergy-related compromise is involved), but it really does make me sad a little to know there's a dog outside most of the time that, given the chance, might have been a closer member of the family.

I understand both sides of the fence, though...

[Why Not?]

a- No, I knew what I was getting into as I have had the same breed when I was growing up.
b- False, dog is well trained, (house broken, very good w/ my 1 yr old son, does all the usual tricks, very loving and obedient)
c-Had the dog before the wife. What was I supposed to do give him away? No way. The wife didn't mind if we kept it, Just as long as he was kept outside!

That pretty much changes my entire standpoint.

[cwalker3]

My next door neighbor had three beagles that they kept in a cage in the back yard. They had these dogs for the first 5-6 years I lived here. They were hunting dogs according to their owner, yet I only remember seeing them taken out of the cage twice to actually go hunting. The only time they had any human contact was when they were fed and watered. They were kept outside in single and triple digit temperatures and during hurricane Isabel. It broke my heart to see them out there every day. They got rid of them a couple of years ago. Hopefully they're in a more caring home now.

Dogs might be animals, but they're domesticated animals. Bred to be around people. I don't understand people who get a pet and then think that the only thing required of them is to provide food and water. I don't have a problem with people that keep their dogs either inside or outside as long as they give them the companionship that the dogs crave.

[crstrobel]

That pretty much changes my entire standpoint.

It was a fun back and fourth while it lasted. I guess I miss understood the OPs intent w/this thread, which he did a better job explaining his views a few posts later, which I totally agree with

[Dipper9]

There's nothing wrong with keeping a dog outside.

But there is something wrong with completely ignoring it. If the dog stays outside, at least take it for a walk every day or two. Go spend 15 minutes of your attention on it every day.

I have a neighbor who keeps her cocker spaniel in an outside kennel, and I swear I have never seen that dog outside of it. What's the point in having the dog?

I have a neighbor with TWO dogs inside a kennel. No room to run...no room to play. Plus they are hunting dogs (he literally takes them hunting with him) so all they do is howl and bark all f'n day every time somebody walks by. Oh, did I mention the kennel is like 15 feet from the sidewalk and road? So basically they are barking and howling all the time. My dog likes to go outside, no doubt. But he only likes it when we are out there with him. He doesn't like to just sit in the yard all alone. He is a part of the family. He is NOT "just an animal" as some of you have said. His daytime home is in a nice large doggy bed (its a little sofa actually) with a view of the backyard. He watches his friends all day long. But he does NOT like to be out there without us.

Plus...lets face it, if I let Disney (our dog) stay in the backyard all the time, he'd be bitten by a snake within a few hours! Damn them serpents....DAMN then!

[Flosman]

That's my plan. ;)

Pleeease let us now how it works out for you, it ought to be interesting.;)

[TGO]

Pleeease let us now how it works out for you, it ought to be interesting.;)

This must be why my fiancee wants to stay in the city...no yard = I have to let her stay inside. Little does she know, I'm looking for an apt. with a balcony! ;)

[MTOsFan]

I had a hunting dog, who passed away about 4 years ago. Clipper was an English Pointer who I got from a guy who was getting rid of her because she was deaf. She was born and raised in a kennel and that was the only place she was truly secure. We brought her in the house when we first got her and she freaked out. She actually blew the screen door off of our patio door as she tore out of the house. She loved our walks in the park (I purchased a shock collar with a buzzer in it so she knew when I wanted her attention, worked like a charm), but when she was on her own she went in her kennel, her choice.
The reason I bring this up is that I got a nastygram from an undisclosed neighbor for leaving her in the kennel during the day. The person had the nerve to say something to the effect of "I hope you don't lock your kids in their room all day too". Needless to say I was incensed. The point of this is that different dogs have different needs. Don't assume you understand the situation by what you see when you drive by.

[Dipper9]

I had a hunting dog, who passed away about 4 years ago. Clipper was an English Pointer who I got from a guy who was getting rid of her because she was deaf. She was born and raised in a kennel and that was the only place she was truly secure. We brought her in the house when we first got her and she freaked out. She actually blew the screen door off of our patio door as she tore out of the house. She loved our walks in the park (I purchased a shock collar with a buzzer in it so she knew when I wanted her attention, worked like a charm), but when she was on her own she went in her kennel, her choice.
The reason I bring this up is that I got a nastygram from an undisclosed neighbor for leaving her in the kennel during the day. The person had the nerve to say something to the effect of "I hope you don't lock your kids in their room all day too". Needless to say I was incensed. The point of this is that different dogs have different needs. Don't assume you understand the situation by what you see when you drive by.

Your point is well taken. However, the OP is talking about jack holes who leave their dog outside in the rain, snow, freezing temps, and don't give a rats behind if the dog makes it through the day/night or not. Not to mention, if a daog sits outside barking constantly ALL freaking day and night, and the owner never comes out, then A) the owner should not have this pet to being with, and 2) if someone does want this type of dog, then they probably shouldn't be living in a neighborhood where EVERYONE is annoyed by said barking/howling dog.

Are people SO busy that they can't spend 15 minutes aday with their pet? My dog has taken over, in a year, mind you, and I would't have it any other way. I wake up daily with sleep depravation and a sore back because of the way Disney lays in bed, and thus the way he makes ME lay in bed. But again, its HIS house too, he is a member of our family, and I would never in a million years leave him outside alone all by himself.

[Hank Scorpio]

Your point is well taken. However, the OP is talking about jack holes who leave their dog outside in the rain, snow, freezing temps, and don't give a rats behind if the dog makes it through the day/night or not. Not to mention, if a daog sits outside barking constantly ALL freaking day and night, and the owner never comes out, then A) the owner should not have this pet to being with, and 2) if someone does want this type of dog, then they probably shouldn't be living in a neighborhood where EVERYONE is annoyed by said barking/howling dog.

Are people SO busy that they can't spend 15 minutes aday with their pet? My dog has taken over, in a year, mind you, and I would't have it any other way. I wake up daily with sleep depravation and a sore back because of the way Disney lays in bed, and thus the way he makes ME lay in bed. But again, its HIS house too, he is a member of our family, and I would never in a million years leave him outside alone all by himself.

Dip,

Quit stealing the friggin' covers.

Love,

Disney

[DuffMan]

Your point is well taken. However, the OP is talking about jack holes who leave their dog outside in the rain, snow, freezing temps, and don't give a rats behind if the dog makes it through the day/night or not. Not to mention, if a daog sits outside barking constantly ALL freaking day and night, and the owner never comes out, then A) the owner should not have this pet to being with, and 2) if someone does want this type of dog, then they probably shouldn't be living in a neighborhood where EVERYONE is annoyed by said barking/howling dog.


Sadly you are describing my old dead beat neighbor exactly They had this dog, a nice golden retriever that they didn't give a crap about. It got to the point that my parents had to buy dog food and me and my dad would feed him b/c the Mom of the house that had the dog was worthless and would forget to buy food for weeks at a time. We usually gave the dog water as well since this was too hard for them to do as well. Basically it was our dog, but it just lived next door.

[Who's On 1st]

This is to the person who started this post........

There are many dog owners that take proper care of their animals. But there are also many that DON'T. I once lived out in the suburbs, but still had the need for dogs as watch dogs. I had many vandilism problems, till I got a dog. Over a 15 to 18 year period I had one or even two, Dobermans and German Shepards......which were out side all the time except in the winter. At that time they were in the garage. At all times they were fed and had ample water. They ran loose in the fenced yard, and in a kennel when needed to be. As I was doing yard work, had friends over for a picnic or what ever. They were bathed, and taken to the vet all the time. I also spent many days and evenings playing with them. I had a neighbor that had a couple of dogs that sometimes never got fed or watered. He also on many days was seen poking at then with a stick and spraying with a garden hose. I even called the useless animal control in that county I no longer live in....... they did nothing but say ...we will look in to this. NEVER DID!
So sometimes you need to keep a dog outside. But DO take care of them! Please!! and thank-you!