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DuffMan
03-20-2008, 02:29 PM
This is the last one until late April, so let's hope it's a good one!
Here's the write up from IGN, highlight below to read.
Sayid confronts Ben's spy on the freighter, and Ben urges daughter Alex to flee Locke's camp in order to survive an impending attack.
I think this should be a good one, provided we actually get some info about what Michael has been up to and not just more questions. Sounds like Ben will be involved as well in tonight's episode and seeing as how he is one of the most interesting characters on the show this should keep the episode going.
GeorgiaBird
03-20-2008, 03:23 PM
No spoiling, but this one is fun. This is the sort of episode most of us watch the show for, not the love triangle s---. Not total answers of course but a lot of information, some good action, a death and some dead people back to say hi, and a cliffhanger/crescendo that will make you curse the writer's strike.
Yet still no rep points for my witty Kevin Johnson wittiness from before. Just no justice in this world. :)
DuffMan
03-20-2008, 10:07 PM
Holy Banana Bread!:eek:
NewMarketSean
03-21-2008, 09:31 AM
I liked this episode. I thought it would be tedious but then I realized that I missed the Walt and Michael storyline.
PaulFolk
03-21-2008, 10:22 AM
Another quality episode. Add another to the list of the island's mysteries-- it "won't let" Michael kill himself. Even when he's nowhere near the island?? Damn, that place has far-reaching powers.
Good to see some of the dearly departed again (Tom, Libby, Naomi, Minkowski). I also thought we might see Charlotte and Daniel on the boat, or maybe Lance Reddick's character (Abbadon?), but no luck.
I would've liked to see more of Michael's actual journey home, though. Assuming he followed the correct course Ben gave him, where exactly did his boat end up? That was glossed over quite a bit, but they might be saving it for a future episode.
Also, I don't think Tom's method of persuading Michael was the best, exactly. "To atone for those innocent people you killed...we want you to kill an entire boat of innocent people! See, then Walt will love you again!" I don't understand why Michael agreed to that.
OK, so who else thinks Ben had Rousseau and Carl set up to be killed? As a way of "eliminating the competition" for his daughter's affections?
Baroquen131
03-21-2008, 06:25 PM
Really not enthused by that episode. It just didn't do it for me. Interesting in some ways, but nothing that really sparked me asking questions and thinking. I did like seeing Tom back, but overall.... /shrug
glenn__davis
03-21-2008, 06:55 PM
Really not enthused by that episode. It just didn't do it for me. Interesting in some ways, but nothing that really sparked me asking questions and thinking. I did like seeing Tom back, but overall.... /shrug
Yeah, I haven't really been enthused by any of the last three. The one with Desmond was the last good one, IMHO.
CrimsonTribe
03-24-2008, 12:15 AM
I liked the episode although I'm still thoroughly confused. What's up w/ the hiatus though? I thought they postponed all the episodes until 2008 so they could play them straight through.
PaulFolk
03-24-2008, 08:44 AM
I liked the episode although I'm still thoroughly confused. What's up w/ the hiatus though? I thought they postponed all the episodes until 2008 so they could play them straight through.
That was their original plan, but then the writers' strike hit. At that point, they had only finished (written and filmed) eight episodes. So they just showed those eight, and now they're back to work writing and filming the rest of the season.
Another quality episode. Add another to the list of the island's mysteries-- it "won't let" Michael kill himself. Even when he's nowhere near the island?? Damn, that place has far-reaching powers.
Good to see some of the dearly departed again (Tom, Libby, Naomi, Minkowski). I also thought we might see Charlotte and Daniel on the boat, or maybe Lance Reddick's character (Abbadon?), but no luck.
I would've liked to see more of Michael's actual journey home, though. Assuming he followed the correct course Ben gave him, where exactly did his boat end up? That was glossed over quite a bit, but they might be saving it for a future episode.
Also, I don't think Tom's method of persuading Michael was the best, exactly. "To atone for those innocent people you killed...we want you to kill an entire boat of innocent people! See, then Walt will love you again!" I don't understand why Michael agreed to that.
OK, so who else thinks Ben had Rousseau and Carl set up to be killed? As a way of "eliminating the competition" for his daughter's affections?
I do, and I think the writers are really abusing this time-traveling ability. Because Ben hasn't been in communication with anyone recently, so he set it before he was Locke's captive / campmate, or better yet he sets it up afterwards. i.e. Ben gives Rousseau and Carl their destination, then at some point in the future (a week later? years later?) sends a shooter back to that point in time and that location.
It's just too easy for me, I don't like it. It allows you to create and control any situation. I've really loved this show but this is souring me a bit. Hopefully I'm wrong about all the time jumping and situation controlling.
PaulFolk
03-24-2008, 12:32 PM
I do, and I think the writers are really abusing this time-traveling ability. Because Ben hasn't been in communication with anyone recently, so he set it before he was Locke's captive / campmate, or better yet he sets it up afterwards. i.e. Ben gives Rousseau and Carl their destination, then at some point in the future (a week later? years later?) sends a shooter back to that point in time and that location.
It's just too easy for me, I don't like it. It allows you to create and control any situation. I've really loved this show but this is souring me a bit. Hopefully I'm wrong about all the time jumping and situation controlling.
I think you might be overthinking it. I don't think their deaths had anything to do with time-travel. Remember, Ben is free now (Locke let him loose after Ben told him about Widmore). He could easily have gotten into contact with someone after he was freed and told them to kill Rousseau and Carl.
DuffMan
03-25-2008, 10:39 AM
I really enjoyed this episode, although I need to watch it again because I missed the beginning and a few other small parts.
It was great seeing Michael back or is it forward?;)
A few brief thoughts.
I was definitely shocked that Sayid was so quick to turn in Michael, I would've thought he would waited a while for that.
The Islands powers have a hold on people not on the Island. (maybe it effects anyone who has been on the Island at some point in time)
I wasn't surprised to see Karl get shot, but Rousseau as well, that definitely was a WTF moment for me. I think that Karl is done for good, but I don't think the same can be said for Danielle. I'm still hoping that she gets a flash back episode at some point.
Final thought, does anyone else think that Alex is a bit of a hottie? I wouldn't mind seeing her character show up a bit more myself.
The bit about Michael not being able to kill himself was interesting. The gun would jam... bullet would deflect... car crash isn't fatal... basically you're immortal. Got me thinking - you guys ever see The Time Machine with Guy Pearce? Not a great movie, but there's a key element that I think they're using with Lost. In the movie, Pearce is a young scientist who makes random crap and hasn't considered time travel. One night he's out with his fiance and she's killed by a mugger, and from that point on he's obsessed with saving her. He devotes himself to building a time machine, and when he succeeds he goes back to that night and alters the events so they avoid the mugger. But instead of a happy life together, she's just killed in another fashion (like a car accident). He tries again, and steers her away from the car, but something else gets her. Try anything you like, but she dies that night. And the reason isn't because it was her fate to die that day - instead it's about the idea of a temporal paradox created by the time travel. If she hadn't died that night, he never would have created a time machine. You see the wrinkle there? So there can't be a reality that has her living, AND a working time machine. It's a contradiction, a paradox. As wikipedia puts it:
A temporal paradox is a paradoxical situation in which a time traveler causes, through actions in the past, the exclusion of the possibility of the time travel that allowed those actions to be taken.
I think something similar is going on with Michael - him dying in that specific "when" would somehow create a temporal paradox. I can't work it out to explain it, but I'm sticking to it!
GeorgiaBird
03-25-2008, 04:58 PM
Interesting MP.
Details differ but it sort of somewhat sounds like something I mentioned a few weeks ago...
Perhaps "grandfather paradox" might be one of the top searches on wikipedia.
http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1230623&postcount=14
Interesting MP.
Details differ but it sort of somewhat sounds like something I mentioned a few weeks ago...
http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1230623&postcount=14
Are you guessing, or hinting? Tough to tell with you! :)
My guess is this is behind the "women and baby dying during pregnancy" thing as well.
GeorgiaBird
03-26-2008, 01:04 PM
Can I say a little bit of both? I am pretty sure you/we are on the right track, so that is a hint, but I can't give you much more than that even if you wanted it.
The one real hint I can give is something I think I have said already... don't overthink it. Most theories out there by fans are more complicated than the truth, I am pretty sure.