3/29Introduction of Nationals Park

[Crazysilver03]

I am home and can watch MASN so I will try to do PBP tonight.

During FanFest, Wilfredo Perez was shown (#58) and he is really really small; expect him to pitch tonight.

[Crazysilver03]

And your Line-Ups.

Baltimore
2B Brian Roberts
3B Melvin Mora
RF Nick Markakis
1B Kevin Millar
DH Luke Scott
LF Jay Payton
C Ramon Hernandez
CF Adam Jones
SS Luis Hernandez

P Adam Loewen

Washington
SS Christian Guzman
CF Lastings Milledge
3B Ryan Zimmerman
1B Nick Johnson
DH Dmitri Young
RF Austin Kearns
C Paul LoDuca
LF Elijah Dukes
2B Ronnie Belliard

P Jason Bergmann

Here is the GameDay (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2008_03_29_balmlb_wasmlb_1&mode=gameday)

[blueberryale77]

Yikes! That's a scary lineup for the Nats... and not because they're good hitters. I hope Scott brought his gun in case any trouble breaks out. ;)

[Joe'sO's]

Yikes! That's a scary lineup for the Nats... and not because they're good hitters. I hope Scott brought his gun in case any trouble breaks out. ;)


Maybe that's why they have him DHing so he's closer to the clubhouse...Looks like we're stuck with the Nat's announcers for the game. Yuck.

[blueberryale77]

Is anybody else watching on mlb.tv and getting the audio from the radio going along with the tv picture? It's a little annoying... actually, they seem to be having technical difficulties all over the place. They're not exactly convincing me to pony up for the new bigger and better mlb.tv!

[Crazysilver03]

Jason Bergmann is pitching the Top of the 1st.

Roberts
Ball (1-0)
Fly Out to CF Milledge.

[Crazysilver03]

Mora up with 1 out.

Strike called on outside lower corner. (0-1)
Ball high and inside. (1-1)
Ball low and outside (2-1)
Swining strike (sinker low) (2-2)
Called strike down the middle

Mora K's. 2 outs.

[Crazysilver03]

Nick Markakis at-bat.

Ball low and outside (1-0)
Ball low and outside (2-0)
Called strike (2-1)
Foul backwards(high and inside) (2-2)
Foul down the leftfield line (2-2)
Ball just inside (3-2)
Ball low and inside (4-2)

Nick Markakis walks with 2 outs.

[The Rick]

How does the stadium look?

[Crazysilver03]

Millar batting.

Foul down the 1B line (0-1).
Ball up in the zone (1-1). Markakis steals 2B, beating a throw.
Ball outside (2-1)
Ball low (3-1). Losing his location.
Ball (slider) up. Millar Walks.

Millar on 1B, Markakis on 2B. 2 outs.

[Crazysilver03]

How does the stadium look?

The seats are nice. Heh. They havent shown the rest of the stadium yet.

Ugh. Scott grounds out on the first pitch he sees. Strands 2 on base.

[Fan4Life]

Is anybody else watching on mlb.tv and getting the audio from the radio going along with the tv picture? It's a little annoying... actually, they seem to be having technical difficulties all over the place. They're not exactly convincing me to pony up for the new bigger and better mlb.tv!

Yes... same here... don't like how the game formats on my screen either

[RShack]

I never used mlb.com's game video before... is it supposed to look whacked, with a 4:3 picture stretched to 16:9 so all the proportions are wrong? Or is it just me?

[Crazysilver03]

Loewen pitching to Guzman.

Ball low and inside. (2-0).
Called strike on the inside corner. (2-1)
Ball low and inside (3-1).
Ball high (4-1).

Guzman Walks.

[Coker]

Man, whats up with that music?

[Crazysilver03]

Loewen to Milledge.

Ball way up and inside. Loewen missed the target by 2-3 feet, almost drilling Milledge. Hernandez out to talk to Loewen.

[Crazysilver03]

Still on Milledge

Called strike down the middle (1-1).
Foul down 3B line (Millegde was ahead of the pitch) (1-2)
HBP in the right foot.

[tennOsfan]

This could be a long year watching Loewen and Cabrera doing this kind of thing.

[JTrea81]

Loewen is super wild. I bet that shoulder is still bothering him...

[TWpj]

Yikes. Will he ever get over this control issue?

[Crazysilver03]

So far, Loewen has 1 BB and 1 HBP.

Zimmerman batting.

Ball high. (1-0)
Ball inside (curve) (2-0)
Foul (up and back) (2-1)
Fly out to RF Markakis. Guzman tags up and heads to 3B.

1 out. Runners at 1st and 3rd.

[dkdc]

That outfield looks pretty spacious.

[MikeAD]

This could be a long year watching Loewen and Cabrera doing this kind of thing.

And an even longer year for our bullpenn...

Really though, he can't seem to hit the zone.

[Crazysilver03]

Nick Johnson at-bat.

Ball outside (1-0)
Throwover to 1st base.
Called strike down the middle (1-1)
Foul back (1-2)
Ball (breaking) bounces behind the plate (2-2)
Throwover to 1st base
Throwover to 1st base
Throwover to 1st base.

This is getting ridiculous.

[MikeAD]

That outfield looks pretty spacious.

Yeah, this field looks huge.

[Lucky Jim]

Yeah, he's going to be a bedrock in our rotation this year. (I know, I know, it's early. I'm not completely serious.)

[tennOsfan]

Yeah, this feild looks huge.

The dimensions are rather standard. 330s down the line, 370 to the gaps and just over 400 to deep center.

[IHeartMASN]

Young missed that fat 2-0 pitch.

[Lucky Jim]

By the way, when he's even close to the zone, his stuff is pretty nasty. As that K of Young revealed.

[MikeAD]

The dimensions are rather standard. 330s down the line, 370 to the gaps and just over 400 to deep center.

Yeah, I noticed the diagram...its very misleading in appearance. It is still pretty deep to left center.

[JTrea81]

I think Loewen is still hurt and isn't telling anybody...

[vab]

They're going to have to do something with Loewen. If he's hurt he needs to admit it and sit down. If not, send him to the bullpen and put Albers in the rotation. Let him work out his problems in long relief.

[Lucky Jim]

Glad I chose to watch this.

[dkdc]

Loewen can't get his curveball over at all and is erratic with his fastball.

Kearns sat on the fastball and drilled it over Payton's head.

[MikeAD]

Walked the bases full...

[dkdc]

Loewen doesn't look like he's pitching hurt to me, he just looks wild as hell.

[Lucky Jim]

Looked decent K'ing Young and Dukes. Looked like he didn't have a clue the rest of the time. Only one hard-hit ball (the shot by Kearns over Payton's head) but no command whatsoever.

[Lucky Jim]

Loewen doesn't look like he's pitching hurt to me, he just looks wild as hell.

Agreed. He's still got good velocity and movement. There's nothing that screams injury. Just that he obviously gets waaaaaay-too-loose in his mechanics. Or too tight. Heck if I know. There's something not right (and I'm not thinking injury.)

[MikeAD]

Oh man, Payton got a hit...fantastic.

[olehippi]

Loewen doesn't look like he's pitching hurt to me, he just looks wild as hell.

Dunno.....he's all over the place. And besides being wild as hell, his fastball doesn't look like it has any movement on it. Will be interesting to see if he settles down.

[baltosravns2110]

Oh man, Payton got a hit...fantastic.

Yep, he just got more playing time than he would have.:mad:

[MikeAD]

Payton just stole 2nd....I see that Paul la Duca's arm is no better than last year..came up short of 2nd.

[dkdc]

Dunno.....he's all over the place. And besides being wild as hell, his fastball doesn't look like it has any movement on it. Will be interesting to see if he settles down.

His fastball looks fine to me, he got several swings and misses with it.

It's got that nice late sink on it, and it's in the low 90s, according to Gameday.

His curveball looks like garbage since he can't locate it.

[IHeartMASN]

Running at will against LaDuca.

[vatech1994]

And besides being wild as hell, his fastball doesn't look like it has any movement on it.

It is the angle of the camera. Bergmann has a nasty sinker and his fastball doesn't look like it is moving much either.

BTW, it is about 50 degrees and these guys haven't thrown in weather below 70 degrees yet this year. Think that might make a difference? I hated throwing in cold weather for the first time. No feel at all...

Bergmann is having trouble throwing strikes too. We just haven't made him pay the way the Nats made Loewen pay.

[IHeartMASN]

Luis got to that ball a little sooner than he thought he would and it handcuffed him.

[CrimsonTribe]

God I love Luis Hernandez. What a defensive stalwart.

[Rockbird]

Luis Hernandez. Defense!

[dkdc]

Oh man. Luis, Luis, Luis.

I want to take a balanced view with his defense, but I'm holding the guy to an impossible standard because of his bat.

[vatech1994]

Luis looked like he was pressing badly in Florida and it doesn't appear anything has changed today.

BTW, anybody notice that Loewen is now painting the knees and corners? Almost like he is getting used to the mound, park, weather, etc... Nah, couldn't be.

[vatech1994]

I'm honestly really surprised that Fahey isn't going to be the starter. Fahey looked much better in ST during my week there.

[dkdc]

Wieters time?

[vatech1994]

Luis made up for it there. Man, he does have some monster range.

[PolishFalcon22]

Just tuned in and saw that the O's have 4 BB's and 3 stolen bases in three innings, yet no runs. The password is anemic. It's gonna be a long year.

[IHeartMASN]

Luis with a nice play in the hole to end the inning.

[JTrea81]

God the last thing we need is for Ramon to get hurt again. I bet though he's glad that ball didn't hit a little higher...

[vatech1994]

Just tuned in and saw that the O's have 4 BB's and 3 stolen bases in three innings, yet no runs. The password is anemic. It's gonna be a long year.

Bergmann is a biitch to hit if he is keeping the ball down and not hanging his slider. He is doing both of those things.

[Lucky Jim]

Luis looked like he was pressing badly in Florida and it doesn't appear anything has changed today.

BTW, anybody notice that Loewen is now painting the knees and corners? Almost like he is getting used to the mound, park, weather, etc... Nah, couldn't be.

Don't rush to judgment, there, VaT. And, to be fair, it's frustrating watching Loewen miss by the amount he was missing by.

He gave up a couple of sharp hits (well, one hit, and a nice backhand by Hernandez). He's settled down. Still now sharp.

Right now, he's a two-pitch pitcher with moderate command of one pitch.

The mound and weather is a factor, to be sure. But part of it is long-standing.

I mean, Occam's Razor, right? Why would the problem suddenly be the mound when he's been erratic all Spring?

Rust? Sure. Makes a ton of sense. But the mound?

In the end, the former is likely more accurate and less heartening, because it's likely to go away far far more slowly.

[dkdc]

Loewen has really recovered nicely.

60 pitches and 2 walks in three innings isn't impressive, but it's damn near heroic considering how bad his first inning was.

[IHeartMASN]

Once again, I'm not a big fan of the runners-on-base indicator. With runners on base, it looks like the occupied bases are empty and visa-versa.

[JTrea81]

Ugh, Jones with an ugly bunt attempt...

[vatech1994]

Don't rush to judgment, there, VaT. And, to be fair, it's frustrating watching Loewen miss by the amount he was missing by.

He gave up a couple of sharp hits (well, one hit, and a nice backhand by Hernandez). He's settled down. Still now sharp.

Right now, he's a two-pitch pitcher with moderate command of one pitch.

The mound and weather is a factor, to be sure. But part of it is long-standing.

I mean, Occam's Razor, right? Why would the problem suddenly be the mound when he's been erratic all Spring?

Rust? Sure. Makes a ton of sense. But the mound?

In the end, the former is likely more accurate and less heartening, because it's likely to go away far far more slowly.

Oh I don't think it is the mound. Just throwing it out there, because who knows? I do think the 48 degree weather matters a lot though. Both pitchers were wild for a bit.

And I agree, it isn't like it is crazy that Loewen would have control trouble for no external reason. I'm just saying that nobody should be assuming he is hurt or sucks just because he didn't come out throwing strikes immediately in 48 degree weather.

I'm not drawing any conclusions. I'm just throwing stuff out there.

Re: Luis Hernandez, my comment was that I thought DT would give Fahey the job based on ST. I wasn't offering my preference. I actually have none, because neither guy will be a starter by next years so who cares?

[dkdc]

Someone needs to get in Adam's ear and make sure he knows that he's a power hitter.

[JTrea81]

Good hustle by Payton there. He could have let it drop but he ran after it...

[T2E2C]

Now i know what a 300 lb baseball player looks like. Dimitri Young ate Boogs's entire inventory ?

[Lucky Jim]

Oh I don't think it is the mound. Just throwing it out there, because who knows? I do think the 48 degree weather matters a lot though. Both pitchers were wild for a bit.

And I agree, it isn't like it is crazy that Loewen would have control trouble for no external reason. I'm just saying that nobody should be assuming he is hurt or sucks just because he didn't come out throwing strikes immediately in 48 degree weather.

I'm not drawing any conclusions. I'm just throwing stuff out there.

Re: Luis Hernandez, my comment was that I thought DT would give Fahey the job based on ST. I wasn't offering my preference. I actually have none, because neither guy will be a starter by next years so who cares?

I agree completely. My take is - and maybe a bit irrational, I admit - that I allow myself to be disappointed each time Loewen lacks command because I want so badly for him to put it together. But no single outing (or even small sample) is determinative of anything. It's going to take time.

[vatech1994]

Loewen's location with the fastball is pretty outstanding now. He definitely has very nice stuff. I've seen a couple nice change ups (Milledge the second time up on the tapper) and a couple pretty curves.

[vatech1994]

That last pitch to Milledge was just nasty.

[IHeartMASN]

Very nice rally by Loewen. It's a shame he burned through 40 pitches in the first.

[Lucky Jim]

Great inning by Loewen. Man that's good to see. Loewen for Cy Young!





;)

[dkdc]

OK, it's official.

Loewen isn't hurt. His pitches are absolutely filthy right now.

[JTrea81]

Man that sequence was interesting but it was vintage Loewen, start out behind missing the strike zone then all of a sudden come back to strike the guy out.

[Lucky Jim]

Loewen's location with the fastball is pretty outstanding now. He definitely has very nice stuff. I've seen a couple nice change ups (Milledge the second time up on the tapper) and a couple pretty curves.

That's great to hear. I'm writing a motion while watching (listening moreso at this point) but if he can really mix in a good change, he'll be tough if he's anywhere near the strike zone.

[The Rick]

I agree completely. My take is - and maybe a bit irrational, I admit - that I allow myself to be disappointed each time Loewen lacks command because I want so badly for him to put it together. But no single outing (or even small sample) is determinative of anything. It's going to take time.

This is pretty much spot on and I couldn't agree more. I'm so tired of seeing "Loewen Stinks" threads up on the main forum every time he pitches.

My GOD I can't stand these Anita Marks commercials! WHY is she yelling at me?!?!?!? :eek:

[IHeartMASN]

Well, at least a lot of our games should be short this year.

We are getting mowed down.

[vatech1994]

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but I will always temper my long term enthusiasm re: Loewen due to the labrum tear. That is the type of injury that can be fine, fine, fine, fine, and then boom you're out of baseball. It may never rear it's ugly head for AL, but I doubt it.

[JTrea81]

Bergmann is nasty today. It looks like nobody is getting anything good to hit...

[vatech1994]

Bergmann is nasty today. It looks like nobody is getting anything good to hit...

I wouldn't want to hit off a guy with nasty movement on his sinker in 48 degree weather with a wooden bat. OUCHHHHHH

[The Rick]

Ugly looking play by Jones there.

I don't like these camera angle's by MASN, it's hard to get a read on the fly balls.

[SilentJames]

Bergmann is nasty today. It looks like nobody is getting anything good to hit...

Yeah Bergmann looks good, and everything seems to be right at people.

[JTrea81]

I expect to see a lot of what Jones just did this year, he'll try to go after balls but he won't get to them all, but he's going to make some outstanding plays as well. There will be a learning curve...

[SilentJames]

BTW: way to honor that contract the Nats gave you Dimitri

[cindyluvsbrady]

Hi all:)
I love Adam but he MUST grow his pretty curly hair back!!!Its thrown off his balance!:eek:

[cindyluvsbrady]

Adam seems sad:(
Who is comming out?

[JTrea81]

Bierd coming into a pressure situation here with the bases juiced and only 1 out. Let's see how he does...

[IHeartMASN]

Ugly looking play by Jones there.

I don't like these camera angle's by MASN, it's hard to get a read on the fly balls.

You can thank the Nats for putting their press area above the last row of seats in the stadium for that.

In most places the camera that shoots the field on grounders and flyballs is in the press area in between the upper and lower levels.

[vatech1994]

Regardless of what happens here, I'm actually really happy with that outing by Loewen. His stuff looks outstanding which is my biggest concern coming back from that elbow thing. He got a ton of swings and misses today.

[cindyluvsbrady]

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but I will always temper my long term enthusiasm re: Loewen due to the labrum tear. That is the type of injury that can be fine, fine, fine, fine, and then boom you're out of baseball. It may never rear it's ugly head for AL, but I doubt it.

The problem is his haircut!
NOT his arm!:(

[vatech1994]

Well, the umpire just totally blew the 2-1 pitch.

[JTrea81]

Man that was a strike, his Pedro changeup. The ump wasn't used to seeing it...

[SilentJames]

Well, the umpire just totally blew the 2-1 pitch.

Seriously, guy got a little squeezed here

[Lucky Jim]

Nice bounceback to get out #2.

[JTrea81]

Man he just froze him with that changeup again!

[vatech1994]

That is a nasty little pitch. I saw it in ST and couldn't get a feel for it at all. Curveball looking release with a split/circle change movement.

[JTrea81]

That is a nasty little pitch. I saw it in ST and couldn't get a feel for it at all. Curveball looking release with a split/circle change movement.

It's a special changeup that Pedro Martinez taught him.

[dkdc]

It's hard to know what to make of Bierd.

I think he's most similar to a knuckleballer. He basically throws that same pitch over and over and throws his fastball occasionally as a change-of-pace.

[Lucky Jim]

That is a nasty little pitch. I saw it in ST and couldn't get a feel for it at all. Curveball looking release with a split/circle change movement.

I can see why their excited by Bierd. Seems like he might be a good addition to the bullpen. Gave up a long fly ball, but that's nothing to complain about. Bases loaded and one out and only one run in? Not bad at all.

[vatech1994]

That stadium is playing mighty large tonight. Part of it is the temperature, but I don't think that is all of it.

[olehippi]

The outfield in Nationals Stadium looks a lot bigger than Camden Yards....and it looks like it may play big, meaning big gaps. Will be interesting to see how the ball carries when it warms up.

[The Rick]

Is that large bright Nationals/Flag graphic on the left field wall an LED screen, or just a printed sign? I can't tell. If it's a LED, that's pretty cool.

[cindyluvsbrady]

That is a nasty little pitch. I saw it in ST and couldn't get a feel for it at all. Curveball looking release with a split/circle change movement.

It was fun meeting you and Mrs Vatech at ST!!!:)

[PolishFalcon22]

Bergmann is a biitch to hit if he is keeping the ball down and not hanging his slider. He is doing both of those things.

Which is why you've got to manufacture some runs when he gives you baserunners. Runs are going to be hard to come by for this squad. Hurry up and develop, Wieters, Reimold, Snyder and Rowell.

[cindyluvsbrady]

This could be a long year watching Loewen and Cabrera doing this kind of thing.

Have faith
BELIEVE!

[Lucky Jim]

Scott smokes a ball down the first base line. ;)

[vatech1994]

This guy on the mound has good stuff. Excellent curve and good change from what I see.

[vatech1994]

It was fun meeting you and Mrs Vatech at ST!!!:)

It was very nice seeing you too. :)

[Tank]

Nice play by Felipe Lopez.

God I can't wait until Monday...

[Tank]

Jamie Walker in to get some work.

Gets 2 ground outs to start the inning.

[Tank]

Quick, efficient inning for Walker. Strikeout on 3 pitches to end the inning.

[wickedwitch]

Moore is in for Mora and made a nice play at 3rd.

[cindyluvsbrady]

Adam Jones is very friendly. I cant really sat the same thing about Jay Payton:p

[cindyluvsbrady]

Quick, efficient inning for Walker. Strikeout on 3 pitches to end the inning.

Dont you just love Jamie!!!:)

[blueberryale77]

Is Huff #17 now? If so he looks a lot thinner. I saw him at 1B but the stupid Gnats announcers were too busy talking about "green" ballpark design to announce the changes for the Orioles. :mad:

[blueberryale77]

Adam Jones is very friendly. I cant really sat the same thing about Jay Payton:p

Jay Payton needs to sneak up behind Luke Scott in a dark alley and try to be "friendly." :002_stongue:

[Crazysilver03]

Is Huff #17 now? If so he looks a lot thinner. I saw him at 1B but the stupid Gnats announcers were too busy talking about "green" ballpark design to announce the changes for the Orioles. :mad:

Yes, Huff is #17 now.

[The Rick]

Is Huff #17 now? If so he looks a lot thinner. I saw him at 1B but the stupid Gnats announcers were too busy talking about "green" ballpark design to announce the changes for the Orioles. :mad:

LOL, yeah it is quite shocking that they keep talking about the ballpark. It's almost like it's the first time baseball's ever been played in it or something. ;)

And yes, according to the Orioles web-site, Huff is #17 this year. I had heard he was much more in shape than last year.

[cindyluvsbrady]

Is Huff #17 now? If so he looks a lot thinner. I saw him at 1B but the stupid Gnats announcers were too busy talking about "green" ballpark design to announce the changes for the Orioles. :mad:

Gnats:002_stongue:My son has to be one again this year:o
From what I have seen I dont like gnat stadium!
HEY Bluberry:)

[cindyluvsbrady]

LOL, yeah it is quite shocking that they keep talking about the ballpark. It's almost like it's the first time baseball's ever been played in it or something. ;)

And yes, according to the Orioles web-site, Huff is #17 this year. I had heard he was much more in shape than last year.

Thats not what I saw:confused:

[Crazysilver03]

Torres grounds out weakly to the pitcher.

[blueberryale77]

LOL, yeah it is quite shocking that they keep talking about the ballpark. It's almost like it's the first time baseball's ever been played in it or something. ;)

And yes, according to the Orioles web-site, Huff is #17 this year. I had heard he was much more in shape than last year.

If they want to do an hour long special on the ballpark, go for it. When you're broadcasting a baseball game, you're supposed to cover what's going on in the game. Fluff talk about architecture should only be used to fill dead space.

Also I love how everybody talks about trendy green building all of a sudden as if people couldn't have figured out that it was a good idea to try to minimize the environmental impact of the crap they were building before 2006. :rolleyes:

[Crazysilver03]

Bradford is in to pitch.

[Crazysilver03]

Bradford strikes out Boone.

[Crazysilver03]

Young grounds up the middle.

[cindyluvsbrady]

Im not a big fan of BOWLING pitching:(
No Offense meant to anyone!

[Crazysilver03]

Langerhans is into bat for Kearns.

0-1
1-1
2-1
2-2 Foul
2-2 Foul
Hit into RF; Dmitri in to 3rd, Langerhans in to 2B.

[Tank]

Young grounds up the middle.

Between the 3rd baseman and shortstop is up the middle? :D

Langerhans shoots one down right field for a double. 2nd and 3rd, one out.

[Crazysilver03]

Flores batting.

0-1
0-2 Foul
0-3 K

[Crazysilver03]

Dukes grounds out to Moore on the first pitch.

[cindyluvsbrady]

Can someone pleeeeeeeeeeeeease get me a gnats car flag?:D

[Crazysilver03]

Mike O'Connor in to pitch.

Scott Moore
0-1 Called Strike
0-2 Foul Tip on Curve
Ground out to 1B, pitcher covering.

[Crazysilver03]

Fahey at-bat

0-1 Running Bunt Foul
1-1 Duck and Cover Ball Outside
1-2 Swing Late Strike
1-3 Called Strike Inside

[Crazysilver03]

Huff At-Bat

1-0 Slider Low and Away
1-1 Slider Down the Middle
1-2 Foul down 1st base line
Fly Out to RF Mackowiak

3 Up 3 Down

[Crazysilver03]

George Sherrill is into pitch.

Willie Harris
1-0
1-1
A tapper to the catcher, put out at 1B.

[Crazysilver03]

1-1 on Lopez
1-2 called strike
2-2
Lopez grounds out, SS to 1B.

[Crazysilver03]

Mackowiak up to bat.

0-1 Called Strike
1-1 Ball low and outside
Line/Fly out to Hernandez.

On to the 9th inning.

[Crazysilver03]

Gibbons
0-1 Called Strike
Ground out to 1B.

[Crazysilver03]

Payton

0-1 Called Strike
Fly Out to CF

[Crazysilver03]

Quiroz

0-1 Swinging Strike
0-2 Swinging Strike
0-3 Swinging Strike

[Crazysilver03]

Game Over. 2 hours 27 minute game.

[Lucky Jim]

If they want to do an hour long special on the ballpark, go for it. When you're broadcasting a baseball game, you're supposed to cover what's going on in the game. Fluff talk about architecture should only be used to fill dead space.

Also I love how everybody talks about trendy green building all of a sudden as if people couldn't have figured out that it was a good idea to try to minimize the environmental impact of the crap they were building before 2006. :rolleyes:

So, when the O's announces waxed enthusiastic about Camden when it first opened, you would've complained?

And are you really upset that people are giving press to green design?

You may be the most judgmental person I've ever (sort-of) stumbled across.

No one can win with you. Well, save for one...

[blueberryale77]

So, when the O's announces waxed enthusiastic about Camden when it first opened, you would've complained?

And are you really upset that people are giving press to green design?

You may be the most judgmental person I've ever (sort-of) stumbled across.

No one can win with you. Well, save for one...

Your continued unsolicited, impolite responses to my posts have gotten beyond annoying. I've had a few thought provoking conversations with you, but for the most part you just respond to my posts that have nothing to do with you with personal insults. You're pretty judgmental yourself, ya know? Please... speak to me respectfully or not at all. I don't want this to turn into a battle of red pips or complaints to the mods, but seriously your obsession with insulting me is getting creepy!

[Lucky Jim]

Your continued unsolicited, impolite responses to my posts have gotten beyond annoying. I've had a few thought provoking conversations with you, but for the most part you just respond to my posts that have nothing to do with you with personal insults. You're pretty judgmental yourself, ya know? Please... speak to me respectfully or not at all. I don't want this to turn into a battle of red pips or complaints to the mods, but seriously your obsession with insulting me is getting creepy!

Hah. I am, indeed, obsessed. Don't worry, I'll be sure to talk to my therapist about it.

By the way, while I won't be engaging in any battle of red pips, I encourage you to feel free to red pip me all you like.

I'll try to work on my judgmental behavior, though. Seriously. (And I mean seriously.)

Of course, none of this resolves the fact that you didn't answer my question.

1. Would you have complained when O's announcers spent time talking about Camden during the first game there?

2. Do you really think that criticizing someone for not being "green" within a timeframe you approve of is productive? Shouldn't we actually be encouraging green behavior? Or is it that there's a hierarchy of who's appropriately green and who's not?

[blueberryale77]

Hah. I am, indeed, obsessed. Don't worry, I'll be sure to talk to my therapist about it.

By the way, while I won't be engaging in any battle of red pips, I encourage you to feel free to red pip me all you like.

I'll try to work on my judgmental behavior, though. Seriously. (And I mean seriously.)

Of course, none of this resolves the fact that you didn't answer my question.

1. Would you have complained when O's announcers spent time talking about Camden during the first game there?

2. Do you really think that criticizing someone for not being "green" within a timeframe you approve of is productive? Shouldn't we actually be encouraging green behavior? Or is it that there's a hierarchy of who's appropriately green and who's not?

OK, here's the deal. I'll answer your questions, but I would really, really appreciate if you would stop attacking me personally. That means no more telling me (and the whole rest of the board) I'm the most judgmental person you've ever come across, etc. You and I clearly speak very different online languages and you misunderstand a lot of my posts and respond by telling me I'm a bad person. That's just not cool. I'm a sports fan who likes to rant about sports. If you have a problem with that, I can't really figure out how you enjoy the OH so much, but that's none of my business. By the way, the only reason I brought up red pips is because I really can't think of any other possible way to get you to stop with the insults.

Anyway, like I said in the original post you took exception to, non-baseball talk should take place during breaks in the action. When a new player enters the game, someone gets on base, etc., the announcers need to cover that as it happens because it's more germane to the purpose of their broadcast than any talk about architecture, the team's wives' next charity event, or anything else. The sports networks have plenty of wasted or blank air time they could use to do whole shows on the construction of the ballpark.

As for the green thing, I don't have a problem with people discussing green architecture, but as a member of the urban planning profession I find it highly amusing when they start talking about green construction as if it's a brilliant new idea. It is relatively new to mainstream developers and the public consciousness, but people like me have been screaming at the top of our lungs about the need for environmentally sensitive design since before I was even born. This isn't really the place for a long-winded discussion on the pluses and minuses of the current "green building movement," but as a lawyer, don't you ever have occasion to sneer at something you see on Court TV or one of the fictional shows? It was just a casual, passing comment, not one I meant to have over-analyzed by the harshest of message board chatter critics.

[Lucky Jim]

OK, here's the deal. I'll answer your questions, but I would really, really appreciate if you would stop attacking me personally. That means no more telling me (and the whole rest of the board) I'm the most judgmental person you've ever come across, etc. You and I clearly speak very different online languages and you misunderstand a lot of my posts and respond by telling me I'm a bad person. That's just not cool. I'm a sports fan who likes to rant about sports. If you have a problem with that, I can't really figure out how you enjoy the OH so much, but that's none of my business. By the way, the only reason I brought up red pips is because I really can't think of any other possible way to get you to stop with the insults.

Anyway, like I said in the original post you took exception to, non-baseball talk should take place during breaks in the action. When a new player enters the game, someone gets on base, etc., the announcers need to cover that as it happens because it's more germane to the purpose of their broadcast than any talk about architecture, the team's wives' next charity event, or anything else. The sports networks have plenty of wasted or blank air time they could use to do whole shows on the construction of the ballpark.

As for the green thing, I don't have a problem with people discussing green architecture, but as a member of the urban planning profession I find it highly amusing when they start talking about green construction as if it's a brilliant new idea. It is relatively new to mainstream developers and the public consciousness, but people like me have been screaming at the top of our lungs about the need for environmentally sensitive design since before I was even born. This isn't really the place for a long-winded discussion on the pluses and minuses of the current "green building movement," but as a lawyer, don't you ever have occasion to sneer at something you see on Court TV or one of the fictional shows? It was just a casual, passing comment, not one I meant to have over-analyzed by the harshest of message board chatter critics.

I don't sneer - generally - when popular culture lags behind the academic or avant garde (or even a specialized section of a profession) because, frankly, the academic and avant garde are supposed to be ahead of the public. That's why they/we get paid. To be ahead of the curve. I certainly don't expect any pop culture medium to be mouthing my policy ideas and/or theories on class actions. I'm just happy if, when they catch up, they get it right. This isn't indie rock, where the pleasure in something is half-derived by being shared by a sacred few.

And, frankly, supporting green design is getting it right.

My greater point was only that you're going to be arguing in opposition to a lot of folks if you're including - on your list of oppositions - even those who agree with you (if they don't agree soon enough). The fact that it takes the public a while to get behind certain ideas is often a good thing - it allows the ideas to be tested on a small scale (i.e., real-world laboratories) before being widely implemented. Yes, it's unfortunate when a good idea lags, but the overall benefit is pretty big.

As for announcing the game: I just don't see the point in complaining about folks (on their OWN broadcast) talking about their own brand new stadium during a Spring Training game. I mean, it's not the Seventh Game of the World Series. It's not even Opening Day. It's only natural for folks to talk about their new toys.

I acknowledged that I will more-closely guard my tone with regard to your posts. On the other hand, I don't completely buy the meta-argument that, by criticizing the judgmental, you're falling into their trap. For instance - and this is an example, so don't think I'm equating the two - if one is critical of sexists for their intolerance, one is not really falling into the trap of intolerance, as far as I can tell.

Diffused and distributed behavior is far more costly than pointed criticism of that behavior. As far as I'm concerned.

BUT, and I mean it, I will fully watch what I say from here on out. Honestly, it's not worth being accused of "obsession."

[Baseball7117]

Just got back from the game tonight and thought I'd post a few tidbits if anyone is interested. The ballpark is pretty nice, the outfield definately seems much more spacious then camden's and the leftfield wall looks to be about twice as high. The seats however seem to be much narrower then that of camdens, not any elbow room at all. Altho they do have cupholders which is nice. I also spent 45 minutes waiting for a ballpark frank only to be told they were "out" of hot dogs (mind you this was the 4th inning) and instead opted to pay an outrageous $7.50 for a single BOTTLE of beer. As far as the game went Loewen's stuff looked absolutely filthy after the tough first inning, and it seemed that he was being pinched by the ump for the bulk of the game. All in all, I easily take Camden over the new park anyday.

[The Rick]

As far as the broadcast goes, I can see your point Blueberry. It was sort of frustrating, but I could understand completely the reasoning behind it. Today and tomorrow are huge days in Washington sports history.

Perhaps adding graphics to explain the subs would have been helpful in order to: 1) Not interrupt the interview, and 2) Cover the actual game.

[RShack]

As far as the broadcast goes, I can see your point Blueberry. It was sort of frustrating, but I could understand completely the reasoning behind it. Today and tomorrow are huge days in Washington sports history.

Perhaps adding graphics to explain the subs would have been helpful in order to: 1) Not interrupt the interview, and 2) Cover the actual game.
Evidently, they got carried away about the new ballpark. That's the main thing that probably most people were curious about anyway. Otherwise, it was just another ST game. Sounds like they dropped the ball a few times. Not defending that, but it doesn't seem like a huge thing to me.

[blueberryale77]

I don't sneer - generally - when popular culture lags behind the academic or avant garde (or even a specialized section of a profession) because, frankly, the academic and avant garde are supposed to be ahead of the public. That's why they/we get paid. To be ahead of the curve. I certainly don't expect any pop culture medium to be mouthing my policy ideas and/or theories on class actions. I'm just happy if, when they catch up, they get it right. This isn't indie rock, where the pleasure in something is half-derived by being shared by a sacred few.

And, frankly, supporting green design is getting it right.

My greater point was only that you're going to be arguing in opposition to a lot of folks if you're including - on your list of oppositions - even those who agree with you (if they don't agree soon enough). The fact that it takes the public a while to get behind certain ideas is often a good thing - it allows the ideas to be tested on a small scale (i.e., real-world laboratories) before being widely implemented. Yes, it's unfortunate when a good idea lags, but the overall benefit is pretty big.

As for announcing the game: I just don't see the point in complaining about folks (on their OWN broadcast) talking about their own brand new stadium during a Spring Training game. I mean, it's not the Seventh Game of the World Series. It's not even Opening Day. It's only natural for folks to talk about their new toys.

I acknowledged that I will more-closely guard my tone with regard to your posts. On the other hand, I don't completely buy the meta-argument that, by criticizing the judgmental, you're falling into their trap. For instance - and this is an example, so don't think I'm equating the two - if one is critical of sexists for their intolerance, one is not really falling into the trap of intolerance, as far as I can tell.

Diffused and distributed behavior is far more costly than pointed criticism of that behavior. As far as I'm concerned.

BUT, and I mean it, I will fully watch what I say from here on out. Honestly, it's not worth being accused of "obsession."

Look, I come to this board to talk about baseball, not to get long-winded advice from some self-righteous, condescending message board poster. I don't find your diatribes about what's morally wrong with every little offhanded quip I make interesting and I don't think most of the other posters on here do either. If my posts bother you so much that you simply can't resist the urge to dissect them ad nauseum, perhaps you should avail yourself of the ignore feature so you don't have to read them.

[Old#5fan]

Look, I come to this board to talk about baseball, not to get long-winded advice from some self-righteous, condescending message board poster. I don't find your diatribes about what's morally wrong with every little offhanded quip I make interesting and I don't think most of the other posters on here do either. If my posts bother you so much that you simply can't resist the urge to dissect them ad nauseum, perhaps you should avail yourself of the ignore feature so you don't have to read them.

I wish you could hear me standing up and clapping upon reading your post, as I can only add "bravo" to what you wrote in response to exactly what you described in your concise, well written and to the point response!:)