June 1: Red Sox at Orioles

[PaulFolk]

RED SOX:
Ellsbury CF
Pedroia 2B
Youkilis 1B
Ramirez DH
Lowell 3B
Varitek C
Drew RF
Bailey LF
Lugo SS

Colon P

ORIOLES:
Roberts 2B
Markakis RF
Millar 1B
Huff 3B
Scott DH
Payton LF
Jones CF
Quiroz C
Bynum SS

Burres P

[JTrea81]

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Hopefully we brought one of these today for all the locusts...

[Crazysilver03]

Burres should be able to succeed today with only two lefties in the lineup for the Red Sox.

[mrbig1]

I hope our bats come alive today.

[Palmer Esque]

Is everyone else's MASN HD broadcasting a picture? I have Comcast and it is just a blank screen...

[brvn52]

Ellsbury is killing us. 5 for 11 so far this series.

[wickedwitch]

Quiroz>Hernandez

[baltosravns2110]

See, I told you quiroz has a good arm. That is big. That is why he should play more.

[brvn52]

Finally! Nice throw by Quiroz. That was close.

[PaulFolk]

After two games of running wild on Ramon Hernandez, the Sox meet their match in Guillermo Quiroz.

[Crazysilver03]

See, I told you quiroz has a good arm. That is big. That is why he should play more.

Definitely. I would love to have Quiroz playing at least half the time. It is nice to think that we have finally found a back up catcher.

[wickedwitch]

It is nice to think that we have finally found a back up catcher.
I agree; Hernandez is an adequate back up catcher.

[fansince71]

sox would have a run allready if ramon was in there

[Crazysilver03]

I wish we could some how get Jeff Bailey from the Red Sox. I really like him as a player.

[Palmer Esque]

Markakis with a shot. Cmon Millar.

[fansince71]

What is that like 0 for our last 50 with RISP?

[Palmer Esque]

Good job offense, real clutch.

[JTrea81]

Gotta make Colon throw more than 10 pitches, that was pathetic...

[ledzepp8]

At least it looks like Nick may be coming out of his slump. What's that like 3 doubles in the last two games?

[Palmer Esque]

Ughhhh, man I hate everything Boston................just makes me sick to my stomach.

[Col. Claypool]

Nice throw by Nick. Very close play, but I'd love to see another replay.

[wickedwitch]

At least it looks like Nick may be coming out of his slump. What's that like 3 doubles in the last two games?

And four in the last three. He's increased the number of doubles he's hit by 50% in three days. In June.

[Palmer Esque]

Two more crap hits for the Sux.

[Col. Claypool]

Ughhhh, man I hate everything Boston................just makes me sick to my stomach.

Same here. I had to switch to Manhattan clam chowder.

[fansince71]

Ughhhh, man I hate everything Boston................just makes me sick to my stomach.

Yea but if that was your team and you had that line-up youd be as giddy as a school girl

[Col. Claypool]

Yea but if that was your team and you had that line-up youd be as giddy as a school girl

Perhaps. Though I would insist that Puke get rid of his prison issue beard. Honestly, the Red Sox add credibility to the no facial hair rules.

[Palmer Esque]

Yea but if that was your team and you had that line-up youd be as giddy as a school girl

I guess so, but I know alot of die hard Sox fans who are embarrassed at what "Red Sox Nation" has become also. I missed the first two games in the series because I was out of town, and I have been to plenty of O's Sox games at well, but hearing the loud cheers when the Sox just scored sent nasty chills up my spine. I know even if we begin to win it will change a little bit, but it will never entirely end because of bandwagon nation and just because how hard it is to get a seat at Fenway.

[Crazysilver03]

Good hustle by Lugo.

[Col. Claypool]

How many more 4 or 5 out innings are they going to get???

[vatech1994]

The Red Sox have four hits so far and three of them are complete crap.

Meanwhile, Nick hit a ball that hit the top of the fence and missed being a homer by less than a foot.

And, as I'm typing this, Roberts gives the Red Sox an extra out and extends the inning. WTF... They gave him a hit on that. That is total BS. That wasn't a hit.

[fansince71]

5 hits allready , thats about our average per game:rolleyes:

[Palmer Esque]

Sit down Bumsbury.

[Palmer Esque]

The Red Sox have four hits so far and three of them are complete crap.

Meanwhile, Nick hit a ball that hit the top of the fence and missed being a homer by less than a foot.

And, as I'm typing this, Roberts gives the Red Sox an extra out and extends the inning. WTF... They gave him a hit on that. That is total BS. That wasn't a hit.

I liked how when Palmer was telling Hunter that it was not a hit right after Hunter said it was, he had to restrain himself from letting out a "what are you an idiot" line about Hunter. Palmer is great.

[Col. Claypool]

The Red Sox have four hits so far and three of them are complete crap.

Meanwhile, Nick hit a ball that hit the top of the fence and missed being a homer by less than a foot.

And, as I'm typing this, Roberts gives the Red Sox an extra out and extends the inning. WTF... They gave him a hit on that. That is total BS. That wasn't a hit.

I agree, Roberts double clutched because he didn't get a grip on the ball. Should have been an error in my book. At least they got Ellsbury out.

[vatech1994]

Between the pick-offs and a few ugly things in the field, Roberts play has not been nearly as fundamentally sound this year. That was very bad even before the error. He didn't move toward the ball at all despite the fact that he had to know Lugo was going to bust it down the line. He removed all wiggle room from the play by laying back. I don't know what to think about him at the moment. He just doesn't seem to have the same focus this year to me.

[Crazysilver03]

Wow. Payton actually put down a nice bunt.

[Palmer Esque]

Between the pick-offs and a few ugly things in the field, Roberts play has not been nearly as fundamentally sound this year. That was very bad even before the error. He didn't move toward the ball at all despite the fact that he had to know Lugo was going to bust it down the line. He removed all wiggle room from the play by laying back. I don't know what to think about him at the moment. He just doesn't seem to have the same focus this year to me.


I know I am throwing this out there, but do you think it could be in any way size shape or form related to him and the steroids issue? Or just that he does not want to be here anymore?

[vatech1994]

I know I am throwing this out there, but do you think it could be in any way size shape or form related to him and the steroids issue? Or just that he does not want to be here anymore?

I can't imagine it is PEDs, but he does give me the feeling that he isn't really excited to be here at times.

Nice hit by AJ. Good to see...

[Scrat1]

Why the heck isn't Scott playing everyday?

[fansince71]

Between the pick-offs and a few ugly things in the field, Roberts play has not been nearly as fundamentally sound this year. That was very bad even before the error. He didn't move toward the ball at all despite the fact that he had to know Lugo was going to bust it down the line. He removed all wiggle room from the play by laying back. I don't know what to think about him at the moment. He just doesn't seem to have the same focus this year to me.

How happy our the cubs for not making a deal? There doing just fine without him

[fansince71]

Whats this? We broke our RISP futility streak:clap3:

[Crazysilver03]

How happy our the cubs for not making a deal? There doing just fine without him

But none of the names that were being tossed around are really doing much for the Cubs.

[vatech1994]

Did anyone notice how Pedroia charged that slowly hit ball? We didn't do that.

[fansince71]

But none of the names that were being tossed around are really doing much for the Cubs.

Havnt checked the stats latley but i thought Cedeno and Gallagher were impressive

[JTrea81]

The ump calls ball 3 a strike and Bynum swings at ball 4...

[vatech1994]

But none of the names that were being tossed around are really doing much for the Cubs.

Yeh, none of them are getting much time at all. Theriot and Fontenot both seem to be in front of Cedeno on the depth chart.

I personally think the Cubs have been living right so far and will come back to the pack a bit. We'll see...

[Palmer Esque]

Colon is looking like a steal for the Sox. This is a great example of low risk, high reward signing. His fastball is moving like it was back in his hay day IMO.

[JTrea81]

Well we tied it up. It would be nice to have a big inning against the Sox for once, and by big I mean maybe 2-3 runs...

[fansince71]

Colon is looking like a steal for the Sox. This is a great example of low risk, high reward signing. His fastball is moving like it was back in his hay day IMO.

As if the sox dont allready have enough stud pitchers:rolleyes:

[Palmer Esque]

Add Pedroia to the list of players I love to hate. He reminds me of Scrappy from the Scooby Doo cartoons.

[Scrat1]

As much as I dislike Pedroia, the guy can hit.

[Crazysilver03]

Havnt checked the stats latley but i thought Cedeno and Gallagher were impressive

Cedeno is hitting an impressive .321/..398/.449/.847 in 78 at-bats over 34 games. By contrast, Brian Roberts already has 208 plate appearances.

Gallagher is still looking shaky in the majors, with an ERA of 5.68 over 19 innings.

[mikezpen]

If the Os signed a Colon, it w/raise a lot of eyebrows. Why would a rebuilding team want this guy? The Sox are a contender, and this kind of signing makes a lot more sense for them.

[Palmer Esque]

Another junk hit, this is unbelievable.

[Palmer Esque]

If the Os signed a Colon, it w/raise a lot of eyebrows. Why would a rebuilding team want this guy? The Sox are a contender, and this kind of signing makes a lot more sense for them.

I agree, I was just observing it was a good signing. I did not say the Orioles had any business signing him at all. This was a great move for a contending team.

[JTrea81]

This is the ballgame right here. If these runs score, we're done...

[fansince71]

So thats what its like to have an offense:cussing:

[vatech1994]

Good Lord, the cheap hits are getting ridiculous.

[ledzepp8]

Well, Mr. Burres looks like he may not have it today.

[PaulFolk]

Well, Mr. Burres looks like he may not have it today.
And you know what that means...we could be seeing Trachsel!

[Crazysilver03]

And you know what that means...we could be seeing Trachsel!

Mine as well. It would be a nice farewell to allow him to get lit up (again) in his last Orioles appearance.

[fansince71]

Anybody think Trax sees action today?

[ledzepp8]

And you know what that means...we could be seeing Trachsel!

He hasn't been officially DFAed yet?:eektf:

[PaulFolk]

Mine as well. It would be a nice farewell to allow him to get lit up (again) in his last Orioles appearance.
Your what?

[Crazysilver03]

Hopefully Burres can make it into the 5th inning.

[vatech1994]

Hey, they hit it hard and we caught it. 5 to 1 now on soft hits vs hard outs...

I actually think Burres is pitching fairly well. His location looks decent. He is moving it around. He is using all his pitches. His stuff looks ok. He just hasn't had much luck so far today.

And, as I type this post, they hit another grounder through the hole.

[fansince71]

Our luck he will throw 5 SO innings and then we will keep him

[PaulFolk]

Hey, they hit it hard and we caught it. 5 to 1 now on soft hits vs hard outs...

I actually think Burres is pitching fairly well. His location looks decent. He is moving it around. He is using all his pitches. His stuff looks ok. He just hasn't had much luck so far today.

And, as I type this post, they hit another grounder through the hole.
I would think the Manny flyout to the warning track in the first would qualify as a hard out, no?

[PaulFolk]

This is getting ugly. And still nobody is warming up in the bullpen.

[PaulFolk]

Trachsel is now warming up. Hooray!

[Crazysilver03]

OH NOES. Trachsel is warming up in the bullpen.

[vatech1994]

I would think the Manny flyout to the warning track in the first would qualify as a hard out, no?

....shrugs....

It looked like it was just a high fly ball that carried to me, but I get your point.

OK 6 to 2 now :D

[JTrea81]

OH NOES. Trachsel is warming up in the bullpen.

Might as well go out with a bang...

[Palmer Esque]

I know we were not expected to contend and I know we are playing the World Champions, but man is this frustrating as hell. If they were crushing balls left and right all over the field, that would be one thing. But they are not and I am about to lost my mind and boil over in frustration. Anyone else there yet?

[fansince71]

DT has to ask himself, do we try to win this adn burn up our BP or just say **** it and put in Trax.

[mrbig1]

I'll be glad when this Boston series is over.

[Crazysilver03]

I'll be glad when this Boston series is over.

Agreed. Boston is just so much better than us. It is really interesting that we can go toe-to-toe with the Yankees but Boston is just that much better than everybody (except the Rays).

[vatech1994]

I know we were not expected to contend and I know we are playing the World Champions, but man is this frustrating as hell. If they were crushing balls left and right all over the field, that would be one thing. But they are not and I am about to lost my mind and boil over in frustration. Anyone else there yet?

It is pretty darn frustrating. I feel bad for Burres. Anybody who isn't watching the game will think he got whacked, but he didn't.

Through three innings he has given up a hard single to Ellsbury leading off the game, a good double to Manny, a semi-blooper to Youkilis, and six crappy hits. Two of the crappy hits were good pieces of hitting, but the other four were just luck.

[Palmer Esque]

Agreed. Boston is just so much better than us. It is really interesting that we can go toe-to-toe with the Yankees but Boston is just that much better than everybody (except the Rays).

I agree they are better. But we beat them at home two earlier, and the first two games of this series were neck and neck. But yes they are better. At least we are more competitive with them so far this year. Our offense is just pathetic.

[vatech1994]

I don't care what Millar says, he needs some time off. He is clearly not comfortable right now. I think his legs are killing him. You can't hit w/o your legs.

[mrbig1]

My dog can hold a bat in her mouth. I know she can't be any worst.

[Palmer Esque]

It is pretty darn frustrating. I feel bad for Burres. Anybody who isn't watching the game will think he got whacked, but he didn't.

Through three innings he has given up a hard single to Ellsbury leading off the game, a good double to Manny, a semi-blooper to Youkilis, and six crappy hits. Two of the crappy hits were good pieces of hitting, but the other four were just luck.

Yeah unfortunately there will be a few threads on the main board demanding Burre's head, but that is far from the case at all. Like you said with the exception of a few hits, he has been consistenly getting ground balls and keeping them off balance. However, they are making contact and the hits are falling. It is just one of those days......

With that said, what a bunt by Ellsbury.

Someone answer me this, why does Brian Roberts NEVER do what Ellsbury just did? I just do not understand it.

[vatech1994]

I missed the start of the inning. How did Ellsbury get on?

[vatech1994]

OK, that was cranked and caught...

[RShack]

My dog can hold a bat in her mouth. I know she can't be any worst.
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[Palmer Esque]

I missed the start of the inning. How did Ellsbury get on?

An absolute beauty of a drag bunt.

[mrbig1]

ford, now that was funny

[Palmer Esque]

Did anyone hear Palmer throw out the Paul Blair comparison? That is some lofty territory..


Man, Roberts looks completely disinterested. Not saying they would have turned two,but he does not look into the game at all. :mad:

[Spoonless]

Manny :( :( :(

[vatech1994]

What a hitter. That didn't even look like a bad pitch and Ramirez crushed it.

[Crazysilver03]

I am amazed by Ramirez. His swing looks effortless and the ball just sails.

[Palmer Esque]

These Red Sox fans need to take their signs and go home. Pathetic.

[Crazysilver03]

We might as well put Trachsel in the game now. Let him get his inning with 6 ER out of the way.

[Palmer Esque]

Let me rephrase, before this inning, Burres was not getting shelled. lol I guess I spoke too soon.

[vatech1994]

Oh, Lord......

So, they get all the bloops early on and now they are actually hitting the ball hard. If I'm Burres, I'm totally mentally fatigued by now. This game has been horrible for him all the way around.

[MikeAD]

1. Why the heck is Burres still in there?

2. I don't know which is scarier, watching Brian pitch today or watching Trax warm up in the pen.

[Palmer Esque]

What a hitter. That didn't even look like a bad pitch and Ramirez crushed it.

I believe he is better than AROD. I was having this discussion with a Yankee fan the other day, and he thought I was crazy.

What do you guys think?

[fansince71]

Maybe one day we can be that good:angryfire:

[Scrat1]

I feel sick.

[fansince71]

I believe he is better than AROD. I was having this discussion with a Yankee fan the other day, and he thought I was crazy.

What do you guys think?

Under clutch its not even a contest, Manny all the way

[vatech1994]

I believe he is better than AROD. I was having this discussion with a Yankee fan the other day, and he thought I was crazy.

What do you guys think?

I think Manny is a better pure hitter, but ARod works harder at the game so he'll end up with better overall stats by far. They are two of the best hitters I've ever seen.

[Crazysilver03]

Lukee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Scrat1]

Why the heck isn't Scott playing everyday?

This is directed to you, Trembley!

[MikeAD]

Attagirl Luke!

4 more and we're in business.

And what a hustle by Payton!!

[Crazysilver03]

Payton safe after hustling on an infield hit!

[vatech1994]

The ball is just flying today. That ball by Scott got out in a nano-second.

Payton hustles his butt off. We have to give him that.

[Palmer Esque]

I think Manny is a better pure hitter, but ARod works harder at the game so he'll end up with better overall stats by far. They are two of the best hitters I've ever seen.

Agree, just imagine if Manny worked like AROD ( and I am not saying he does not work hard at all) he would be the right handed version of Ted Williams IMO. Just so naturally gifted.

Nice to see the Orioles putting up a fight this inning and not bowing down.

[PaulFolk]

If Trachsel weren't coming in, I'd say the O's weren't out of this game yet.

[mrbig1]

OMG we're scoring runs!

[PaulFolk]

Jones didn't run out that popup. If the Sox had noticed, they could've let it drop and turned an easy DP.

[Crazysilver03]

The ball is just flying today. That ball by Scott got out in a nano-second.

Payton hustles his butt off. We have to give him that.

Well it is nearly 85 degrees, so that is what allows the ball to fly.

[Palmer Esque]

Payton is alot of things, but at least he leaves it on the field.

[vatech1994]

AJ just missed his pitched again. He almost jumps at the ball when he gets a fat one. That will change in time.

[PaulFolk]

Agree, just imagine if Manny worked like AROD ( and I am not saying he does not work hard at all) he would be the right handed version of Ted Williams IMO. Just so naturally gifted.

Nice to see the Orioles putting up a fight this inning and not bowing down.
Everything I've heard is that Manny is one of the hardest workers in the game.

[Crazysilver03]

Jones didn't run out that popup. If the Sox had noticed, they could've let it drop and turned an easy DP.

Is infield fly only called after 1 out?

[PaulFolk]

Is infield fly only called after 1 out?
It's never called if there's only one runner on.

[vatech1994]

Is infield fly only called after 1 out?

It only applies with runners on 1st and 2nd or bases loaded and less than two outs.

[Palmer Esque]

Everything I've heard is that Manny is one of the hardest workers in the game.

I did not say he does not work hard, but AROD's work ethic is unmatched from what I have read. Nothing personal against either of them. I guess we just hear about AROD's work ethic more because he is lightning rod figure for most people? I dont know.

[vatech1994]

Quiroz just missed that ball too. We've had some good swings this inning.

[PaulFolk]

All right, fellas...here comes Trachsel!

[MikeAD]

I am back home now so I am watching the games on MASN. One thing I didn't miss was the Anita Marks double bubbler doubler scratch off (or whatever the hell its called) commericials. I actually like her, but thats just anoiying to hear anyone say.

[Crazysilver03]

Hehe.

"Second time in his major league career" Trachsel is out of the bullpen. I hope this is his last major league appearance ever.

[MikeAD]

Hehe.

"Second time in his major league career" Trachsel is out of the bullpen. I hope this is his last major league appearance ever.

Well at least as an Oriole. I hope he can get it together elsewhere, hes a nice guy.

[Crazysilver03]

WoWoWoWoW.

Trachsel got an out.

[Palmer Esque]

And on the main board, people are already commenting that the tailspin is in full motion and that we are one of the worst teams in baseball. Call me crazy, but outside of our offense I just do not see it. We are in almost every game, and while I do not expect us to have a winning record, I do not think we are anywhere near the worst team in baseball.

Why does everyone feel the need to be the first to proclaim that the sky is falling and that we are horrible? Really Annoying.

Remember it is only June 1, at least give the team a chance. This is DT first full year and I honestly think their is a new philosphy in place. Just be patient.

[MikeAD]

And on the main board, people are already commenting that the tailspin is in full motion and that we are one of the worst teams in baseball. Call me crazy, but outside of our offense I just do not see it. We are in almost every game, and while I do not expect us to have a winning record, I do not think we are anywhere near the worst team in baseball.

Why does everyone feel the need to be the first to proclaim that the sky is falling and that we are horrible? Really Annoying.

Remember it is only June 1, at least give the team a chance. This is DT first full year and I honestly think their is a new philosphy in place. Just be patient.

Yes. And I really wouldn't be suprised if we came back and won this one, or lost by one. We don't give up, I always had a feeling the guys weren't in the game after the 6th or 7th last year.

[vatech1994]

Should Roberts just go home? He just doesn't look like he is mentally in this game at all.

[Palmer Esque]

Should Roberts just go home? He just doesn't look like he is mentally in this game at all.

It looks like to me he has been playing with something on his mind. Everything he does it seems like he has to think about it before reacting. This was never the case with him before, at least from my perspective.

[osfan83]

And on the main board, people are already commenting that the tailspin is in full motion and that we are one of the worst teams in baseball. Call me crazy, but outside of our offense I just do not see it. We are in almost every game, and while I do not expect us to have a winning record, I do not think we are anywhere near the worst team in baseball.

Why does everyone feel the need to be the first to proclaim that the sky is falling and that we are horrible? Really Annoying.

Remember it is only June 1, at least give the team a chance. This is DT first full year and I honestly think their is a new philosphy in place. Just be patient.
Our defense is among the worst in the AL, and our baserunning is horrendous.

[JTrea81]

I'd PH Ramon for Millar here. Ramon can play 1B just fine...

And Millar grounds out on the first pitch again. Another gift for his former team...

[Palmer Esque]

There is no excuse Millar did not beat that ball out. He should not be playing with the hamstring injury. He was even grimmacing going down the line. He is costing us outs because of his injury.

[JTrea81]

What a stellar AB by Huff...

Can we fire Crowley please?

[MikeAD]

What a stellar AB by Huff...

Can we fire Crowley please?

What an awful outing by Burres.

Can we fire Kranitz please?

[Palmer Esque]

Our defense is among the worst in the AL, and our baserunning is horrendous.

Yeah, but people proclaiming Armegeddon is just bull S#$% in my opinion. It is almost like they want to the be first to announce it. Being a fan, I want to win all the games. I know we are rebuildiing, but what good does it do to be so negative? (This is not intended for osfan83, just saying in general) Absolutely nothing. McPhail will do the right thing regardless of how we react or what we say. So why not root these guys on at all costs instead of bashing them and pointing out what they do not do good. This is a fans website, and fans are entitled to their opinion. But unfortunely some of the threads are just rediculously negative and so far out of perspective that it is just laughable.

Lets go Os.

[rooter]

Let's keep Trachsel for long relief :wedge:

[RShack]

Should Roberts just go home? He just doesn't look like he is mentally in this game at all.
According to a web biorhythm calculator, he's at rock bottom emotionally and almost there physically.

However, he's at almost-peak intellectually. Maybe he should be taking a test instead of playing ball today...

I just mention it because some people go nuts if you mention biorhythms ;-)

[vatech1994]

Let's keep Trachsel for long relief :wedge:

I'm sure you're joking, but why aren't we considering putting him in long relief, moving Albers to the rotation, and keep Liz/Penn in the minors until they are ready? Most of the time the game is out of hand if the long reliever gets into the game and he can remain an "insurance" policy in that scenario.

[Palmer Esque]

What a stellar AB by Huff...

Can we fire Crowley please?

If Crowley was hitting coach for Boston or NYY we would love him. IMO pitching coaches impact pitchers much more so than hitting coaches impact hitting.

Pitching is more cerebral and thought out. Hitting is more reactionary and it is hard to teach better reactions. The better hitters are better for a reason, and it has very little to do with their hitting coach.

Crowley can not make average hitters great, he just cannot. And I am sure he talks improving their approaches, so dont use that card and blame that on him either.

[osfan83]

Yeah, but people proclaiming Armegeddon is just bull S#$% in my opinion. It is almost like they want to the be first to announce it. Being a fan, I want to win all the games. I know we are rebuildiing, but what good does it do to be so negative? (This is not intended for osfan83, just saying in general) Absolutely nothing. McPhail will do the right thing regardless of how we react or what we say. So why not root these guys on at all costs instead of bashing them and pointing out what they do not do good. This is a fans website, and fans are entitled to their opinion. But unfortunely some of the threads are just rediculously negative and so far out of perspective that it is just laughable.

Lets go Os.

I always root for them to win...but lets face it, we are a 73 win team. We should run the youngs guys out there.

[PaulFolk]

I'm sure you're joking, but why aren't we considering putting him in long relief, moving Albers to the rotation, and keep Liz/Penn in the minors until they are ready? Most of the time the game is out of hand if the long reliever gets into the game and he can remain an "insurance" policy in that scenario.
Trachsel isn't used to pitching in relief (this is only the second time in his career he's done it) and Trembley has said it takes him a long time to warm up. Also, Trachsel hasn't been good at eating up innings this year. Not ideal for a long reliever.

Plus, there have been plenty of times this year in which the game was still close when the long reliever came in. I certainly wouldn't want Trachsel pitching in that situation.

[vatech1994]

Colon does look good. I'm not sure it will last very long, but his fastball looks very good right now.

[Palmer Esque]

I always root for them to win...but lets face it, we are a 73 win team. We should run the youngs guys out there.

I agree we wont make the playoffs, and we should run the young guys out there, which we are, minus Trax. But where do you come up with 73 wins from? just curious.

[Palmer Esque]

Great play by Scrappy Doo (Pedroia)

[ledzepp8]

I always root for them to win...but lets face it, we are a 73 win team. We should run the youngs guys out there.

What young guys?

[Palmer Esque]

Colon does look good. I'm not sure it will last very long, but his fastball looks very good right now.

His fastball looks like that thing they trace in the Harry Potter movies.

[osfan83]

I agree we wont make the playoffs, and we should run the young guys out there, which we are, minus Trax. But where do you come up with 73 wins from? just curious.

Just my prediction..70-75 sounds about right.

[Palmer Esque]

Just my prediction..70-75 sounds about right.

Haha I know, I just like how people come up with specific numbers like that :)

[vatech1994]

Trachsel isn't used to pitching in relief (this is only the second time in his career he's done it) and Trembley has said it takes him a long time to warm up. Also, Trachsel hasn't been good at eating up innings this year. Not ideal for a long reliever.

Plus, there have been plenty of times this year in which the game was still close when the long reliever came in. I certainly wouldn't want Trachsel pitching in that situation.

Sorry, but I'm just not buying any of that. Why would the game be close when you put the 7th guy in the pen in the game? It doesn't make any sense. If the game is close, you should be using your best reliever that is available. I can't imagine a scenario where that is the 7th guy out of seven. Albers has been brought into many close games this year, but he isn't the "long guy" regardless of what we call him.

The biggest problem with making Trachsel the long guy who comes in during the 3rd or 4th inning is that it elevates Cormier and Sarfate to pitching in tight situations in the 5th or 6th.

Regarding him taking a long time to warm up, I don't understand why it matters for a long guy. These guys aren't being brought in to face some last second match up.

If Liz is ready, bring him up, no problem. If he isn't, I'm not sure why Albers doesn't go to the rotation, Trachsel to the pen, and see where we are when Loewen and/or Bierd gets healthy. Who cares if our #7 guy out there is less than stellar for the moment if it prevents rushing guys?

[osfan83]

What young guys?

Cut Trax..bring up Liz.
Let Quiroz at least split time with Ramon
Bring up Terrero, play Huff at first, sit Millar 3 times a week
Don't be afraid to make some trades to move some older players.

[Scrat1]

That's enough for me.

[ledzepp8]

Cut Trax..bring up Liz.
Let Quiroz at least split time with Ramon
Bring up Terrero, play Huff at first, sit Millar 3 times a week
Don't be afraid to make some trades to move some older players.

Isn't that what Bigbird has said is happening?

Millar needs time off, I don't think he needs to sit 3 times a week...nor do I think Terrero is some kind of answer. He's never done anything at this level and I'm not that impressed that he's clobbering AAA pitching. What's it like the 6th time there for him?

Do you really think that MacPhail hasn't traded Millar, Hernandez, Huff, Payton, Bradford, Walker, etc because he's afraid?:rofl:

[scOtt]

GD! Didja see that pan shot of OPACY? All white and red... This is a home game for the sawx.

Embarrassing.

[scOtt]

GD! Didja see that pan shot of OPACY? All white and red... This is a home game for the sawx.

Embarrassing.

With the Hilton contributing to the mess....

[scOtt]

Trax got thru that inning, on his veteranosity... but he is done.

[scOtt]

We need to win this game, somehow. The June 1st Massacre.







Never never NEVER give up!

[osfan83]

Nick's speed is in a slump too.

[scOtt]

Nick was running. Hard. Just a nicely turned DP...

[scOtt]

Millar... padding stats...

[scOtt]

Huff too! :D

[scOtt]

Only the 7th. Not too late.

[scOtt]

Luke Scott in. I like him.

[scOtt]

Gggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!1

[mrbig1]

This is hard to watch.

[scOtt]

Bottom 9, down five. Need baserunners.

[JTrea81]

Fitting that Millar ends it. The guy needs to be put on the DL. He's not helping at all...

[PaulFolk]

Fitting that Millar ends it. The guy needs to be put on the DL. He's not helping at all...
Not really sure why that's "fitting." Nobody in the lineup has been particularly good.