Belliard

[gallden]

Needs to get one in the numbers next year. He totally just showed up George and the O's with his walk halfway to first. And yes this is a reactionary thread.

[FarmSystem]

When you lose to the lineup the Nats put out, you take it and blame yourself.

[mdevito]

I don't mind losing, but I really hate watching an umpire blow a strike 3 call followed by a walk off HR.

[RZNJ]

Needs to get one in the numbers next year. He totally just showed up George and the O's with his walk halfway to first. And yes this is a reactionary thread.

I have no problem with guys celebrating a walk-off homerun but I don't go for that "I'm so cool" walk down the line. I agree with the "in the numbers" next time we see them, whenever that is.

[WEAVERMAN]

Needs to get one in the numbers next year. He totally just showed up George and the O's with his walk halfway to first. And yes this is a reactionary thread.

Throw one right behind his fat a##, or into his fat stomach.

[IamtheSkip]

I don't mind losing, but I really hate watching an umpire blow a strike 3 call followed by a walk off HR.

It.

Was.

Not.

A.

Strike.

Sherill shouldn't have thrown a meatball with the next pitch.

[gallden]

Needs to get one in the numbers next year. He totally just showed up George and the O's with his walk halfway to first. And yes this is a reactionary thread.

Like Dempsey just said he stared George down and then spits. Classy.

[WEAVERMAN]

We go 3-3 against a ballclub that may lose 100 games, that's a shame.

[Oriole4Life]

Not only did the ump miss strike three to Belliard, he missed two strikes to Young. His strike zone all day was terrible. Real tough loss.

[Runs2the1Show]

I actually told my friend that I am with that somehow God would not let the orioles win on Sunday and that someone would have a walk-off. We jsut cant win on sunday.

[IamtheSkip]

We go 3-3 against a ballclub that may lose 100 games, that's a shame.

To be fair, we WERE supposed to lose 100 games.

So, while it hurts, it's kinda moot.

[NCRavenfan]

Needs to get one in the numbers next year. He totally just showed up George and the O's with his walk halfway to first. And yes this is a reactionary thread.

The Orioles once again are hit by the Sunday Jinx. :confused:

[NCRavenfan]

I actually told my friend that I am with that somehow God would not let the orioles win on Sunday and that someone would have a walk-off. We jsut cant win on sunday.

How can he do that to Luke Scott?

[Boca Bird]

He'll be plunked next year (assuming we play whatever team he's on)

Maybe his drilling will precipitate a brawl and this would become a real rivalry....

He was such a douche, he might "accidentally" get hit by a "wild" rookie in ST hoping to impress the veterans

[Gofannon]

Between this game and the earlier unfinished game in Chicago, we've learned that George Sherrill is very effective except...

against crummy, fat, middle infielders with bad attitudes in extra innings (Belliard, Uribe). Then Sherrill sucks.

[WEAVERMAN]

We might have trouble finding Belliard, he may be on his 15th ML club before we can retaliate.

[Palmer Esque]

Needs to get one in the numbers next year. He totally just showed up George and the O's with his walk halfway to first. And yes this is a reactionary thread.

But that is unfortunately how some players are bred these days. It all ties in with hip hop and the feeling of being a street thug. When society changes, baseball with change.

[millartime15]

That was pathetic.

Belliard is a punk and deserves to get hit, that was completely uncalled for. Your some 30 year old bench player and your showing up the other team. Shows alot of class.

[bluedog]

Between this game and the earlier unfinished game in Chicago, we've learned that George Sherrill is very effective except...

against crummy, fat, middle infielders with bad attitudes in extra innings (Belliard, Uribe). Then Sherrill sucks.

Why in the world Sherril is throwing a breaking pitch inside to a right handed veteran with a slider speed bat in a situation where the only thing that hurts him is a home run, I'll never know.

Sherril should have pitched away from Belliard - particularly after the non-call on the prior fastball. If Belliard slaps one to the opposite field, big deal. Dmitri was clogging the bases and the Nats would have probably needed two more hits to plate Young.

I'm not sure if that was Sherril or Quiroz who chose to throw an inside breaking pitch in that situation but it was beyond stupid.

[gallden]

Why in the world Sherril is throwing a breaking pitch inside to a right handed veteran with a slider speed bat in a situation where the only thing that hurts him is a home run, I'll never know.

Sherril should have pitched away from Belliard - particularly after the non-call on the prior fastball. If Belliard slaps one to the opposite field, big deal. Dmitri was clogging the bases and the Nats would have probably needed two more hits to plate Young.

I'm not sure if that was Sherril or Quiroz who chose to throw an inside breaking pitch in that situation but it was beyond stupid.

I'm going to say it was Sherril, because he pitches.

[Old#5fan]

We go 3-3 against a ballclub that may lose 100 games, that's a shame.

Not only that but virtually their entire starting lineup (at least middle of the order is on the DL). Kind of pathetic, after beating the Cubs two out of three at Wrigley to the point of embarassing.

[RZNJ]

Why in the world Sherril is throwing a breaking pitch inside to a right handed veteran with a slider speed bat in a situation where the only thing that hurts him is a home run, I'll never know.

Sherril should have pitched away from Belliard - particularly after the non-call on the prior fastball. If Belliard slaps one to the opposite field, big deal. Dmitri was clogging the bases and the Nats would have probably needed two more hits to plate Young.

I'm not sure if that was Sherril or Quiroz who chose to throw an inside breaking pitch in that situation but it was beyond stupid.

You're stealing SportsGuy's phrases now. :eek:

Were you thinking it was an awful pitch on the swinging strike before when Belliard looked foolish on a similar pitch. Only difference was that this one was a strike and the other one was a little lower, I think. Belliard is a RF hitter. If Sherrill had thrown a pitch on the outer half and he had hit a gapper, people would be complaining about that too.

[Intimidator301]

Needs to get one in the numbers next year. He totally just showed up George and the O's with his walk halfway to first. And yes this is a reactionary thread.

Its just Ronny being Ronny. I figured that since he can't emulate Manny's talent, he can try and emulate his HR walk. But, since he's just not that good, it comes off as classless, as it should.

He has always been a wannabe Manny. Too bad he's just not that talented, so the one moment he has a season, he has to make the most of it.

All that being said, I hope he's on an AL team next year, or atleast a NL team we play. That bulls eye has already been painted I'm sure by the O's.

[elsid]

It.

Was.

Not.

A.

Strike.

Sherill shouldn't have thrown a meatball with the next pitch.

Then you, the ump and the 30 people wearing red were the only ones in the world that didn't think it was strike 3.

The last pitch wasn't a meatball. It would help if you might know anything about pitching whatsoever. Yes, it wasn't a good pitch since it wasn't where he wanted it. However, just becuase it was an HR doesn't mean that it was a meatball. It was a slider down, which wasn't down far enough and broke too early so it caught the inner half of the plate.


Why in the world Sherril is throwing a breaking pitch inside to a right handed veteran with a slider speed bat in a situation where the only thing that hurts him is a home run, I'll never know.

Sherril should have pitched away from Belliard - particularly after the non-call on the prior fastball. If Belliard slaps one to the opposite field, big deal. Dmitri was clogging the bases and the Nats would have probably needed two more hits to plate Young.

I'm not sure if that was Sherril or Quiroz who chose to throw an inside breaking pitch in that situation but it was beyond stupid.

Quiroz calls the pitch, Sherrill agrees to it. There was no shake. He knew where he wanted to put it, but spun the slider. It broke early, so it ended up over the inner half instead of near his back foot. If he hadn't swung at the pitch it would have landed about in the middle of his feet. It wasn't where it needed to be, plus was a little faster than the previous sliders to Belliard.

The reason they didn't go back away is because the fastball wasn't called. If he had thrown another fastball, no telling. If he had thrown another slider out there Belliard would have gone with it. Belliard guessed right, slider down and in. He might have gotten a peek at Quiroz moving in as well. Quiroz moved after the signal, not just before the pitch. As he said in the post game, "it was a bad pitch", becuase he didn't put it where he wanted to.

[baltfan]

From the postgame interview, it appeared that Belliard's attitude was because he thought they had pitched around Young to get to him.

Not really a valid excuse, but that is where this was coming from.

[Lucky Jim]

Then you, the ump and the 30 people wearing red were the only ones in the world that didn't think it was strike 3.

The last pitch wasn't a meatball. It would help if you might know anything about pitching whatsoever. Yes, it wasn't a good pitch since it wasn't where he wanted it. However, just becuase it was an HR doesn't mean that it was a meatball. It was a slider down, which wasn't down far enough and broke too early so it caught the inner half of the plate.



Quiroz calls the pitch, Sherrill agrees to it. There was no shake. He knew where he wanted to put it, but spun the slider. It broke early, so it ended up over the inner half instead of near his back foot. If he hadn't swung at the pitch it would have landed about in the middle of his feet. It wasn't where it needed to be, plus was a little faster than the previous sliders to Belliard.

The reason they didn't go back away is because the fastball wasn't called. If he had thrown another fastball, no telling. If he had thrown another slider out there Belliard would have gone with it. Belliard guessed right, slider down and in. He might have gotten a peek at Quiroz moving in as well. Quiroz moved after the signal, not just before the pitch. As he said in the post game, "it was a bad pitch", becuase he didn't put it where he wanted to.

Rationalizations, insults, and defensiveness (brotherly or otherwise) aside, this is going to happen from time-to-time with Sherrill. It's certainly not the end of the world. And the loss - in the end - has virtually nothing to do with George. He gives up fly balls. He'll give up an occasional HR. It would be nice if his command would return to last year's (and the year before's) level, meaning fewer two run HRs. But, whatever.

He's been mostly lights-out this year. And we scored one run. Including two caught stealing.

These things happen. But, while George made a bad pitch that was exacerbated by the circumstances, the loss shouldn't hang on him.

This is the same mindset that blames Armando Benitez for losing in the ALCS when - surprise, surprise - it was an offense that couldn't do squat.

[davearm]

The guy just hit a 2-out, 2-strike, walkoff HR to beat their rivals and clinch a series.

You guys do realize that the majority of MLers would've reacted that way, or some other showboaty way that could be misconstrued as showing up the other team?

Not too many players just put their head down and sprint around the bases with a blank look on their face after doing that.

Much ado about nothing here.

[Lucky Jim]

The guy just hit a 2-out, 2-strike, walkoff HR to beat their rivals and clinch a series.

You guys do realize that the majority of MLers would've reacted that way, or some other showboaty way that could be misconstrued as showing up the other team?

Not too many players just put their head down and sprint around the bases with a blank look on their face after doing that.

Much ado about nothing here.

Were you watching it?

You seem to think everything around here is "much ado about nothing." Look, Belliard did what he did. Whether other folks would've done it is another story and, frankly, irrelevant. Besides, there's a difference between a head down sprint for home and an extended display of one-up-manship.

It's not either/or.

But - you know - answer the first question first, so we can tell if you even have a right to be opining about it.

[davearm]

Were you watching it?

You seem to think everything around here is "much ado about nothing." Look, Belliard did what he did. Whether other folks would've done it is another story and, frankly, irrelevant. Besides, there's a difference between a head down sprint for home and an extended display of one-up-manship.

It's not either/or.

But - you know - answer the first question first, so we can tell if you even have a right to be opining about it.
It's on MLB.com. I saw the same coverage you got on MASN.

[Lucky Jim]

It's on MLB.com. I saw the same coverage you got on MASN.

And you didn't think the response was excessive even by today's standards? Probably because you were doing the same dance around your living room.

I don't really care - in the sense that I wouldn't give Belliard the dignity of drilling him next time we saw him. He's a fringe major leaguer.

But it was classless. Concluding otherwise is simply being contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian.

[RZNJ]

It's on MLB.com. I saw the same coverage you got on MASN.

Then, as usual, you got it wrong, There is no problem with a hitter celebrating, pumping his fists, etc. etc.. There is a problem when a guy does what Belliard did. Of course, it's all in the eye of the beholder. I'd be curious as to what the Oriole players think about it if they even noticed what he did. I'm sure they'll see the replay though. I didn't hear the postgame but apparently Belliard was not just celebrating. He felt disrespected that the O's pitched around Young to get to him. So there's evidence that what was on Belliards mind was not celebrating but sending a message to the Orioles. Most people get the message. You're out to lunch as usual.

[Lucky Jim]

By the way, I'd like to take back "fringe major leaguer" - he's not, really. Nothing special. But not a fringe major leaguer.

[The Wedge]

The guy just hit a 2-out, 2-strike, walkoff HR to beat their rivals and clinch a series.

You guys do realize that the majority of MLers would've reacted that way, or some other showboaty way that could be misconstrued as showing up the other team?

Not too many players just put their head down and sprint around the bases with a blank look on their face after doing that.

Much ado about nothing here.

You do realize that in the postgame Belliard pretty much flat out admitted to showing up Sherrill because HE felt disrespected because HE felt that they pitched around Young to get to him?

[ATO UMD]

I remember a couple years back after Ramon flipped his bat on a walk-off job against Scot Shields and the Angels, Shields said something to the effect of, Hey, if he hits the ball that far, he can do whatever he wants.

[ChaosLex]

The guy just hit a 2-out, 2-strike, walkoff HR to beat their rivals and clinch a series.

You guys do realize that the majority of MLers would've reacted that way, or some other showboaty way that could be misconstrued as showing up the other team?

Not too many players just put their head down and sprint around the bases with a blank look on their face after doing that.

Much ado about nothing here.

So if someone were to hit a game winning homerun off Kerry Wood, start walking around the bases, look at Wood, spit on the ground, and then proceed to jog around the bases, you'd have absolutly no objections? Be honest.

[Dannyboy]

News flash to RB, in order to get respect, you must first earn it. And your 210 avg. and 9 hrs. really are not worthy of any respect.

[The Wedge]

I remember a couple years back after Ramon flipped his bat on a walk-off job against Scot Shields and the Angels, Shields said something to the effect of, Hey, if he hits the ball that far, he can do whatever he wants.

Flipping his bat =/= staring the pitcher down and spitting.

[Mad Mark]

Wow...the crap I miss by being on the wrong side of the field.
I watched the ball go out, and didn't pick up Belliard until he was around second base. I'll have to watch a video of this one.
The Orioles almost broke the Sunday curse. Too bad. Another tough luck ND for Guthrie.

[The Wedge]

Wow...the crap I miss by being on the wrong side of the field.
I watched the ball go out, and didn't pick up Belliard until he was around second base. I'll have to watch a video of this one.
The Orioles almost broke the Sunday curse. Too bad. Another tough luck ND for Guthrie.

It's on MLB.com. The original shot breaks away but when they show the replays, he clearly stares down Sherrill and spits. Class act right there.

I mean, seriously, if you felt disrespected because they pitched around the guy in front of you...hitting a homer pretty much says it all. Staring and spitting before breaking out in to your trot is just bush.

[ccbird]

The guy just hit a 2-out, 2-strike, walkoff HR to beat their rivals and clinch a series.

You guys do realize that the majority of MLers would've reacted that way, or some other showboaty way that could be misconstrued as showing up the other team?

Not too many players just put their head down and sprint around the bases with a blank look on their face after doing that.

Much ado about nothing here.

Just stay out of the thread. I haven't even seen the walk off yet so I can't even comment on Belliard. You very well could be 100% right. However, the fact that a Cubs fan is commenting in an admitted reactionary thread between the O's and Nats on an O's board is the definition of trolling.

[ccbird]

You do realize that in the postgame Belliard pretty much flat out admitted to showing up Sherrill because HE felt disrespected because HE felt that they pitched around Young to get to him?

What a crock. Who pitches around the guy who represents the tying run at the plate with 2 outs in the 9th. Yeah, lets put the tying run on and bring the winning run to the plate with 2 out in the 9th. You don't walk Babe Ruth in that situation.

[Pushmonkey]

Just stay out of the thread. I haven't even seen the walk off yet so I can't even comment on Belliard. You very well could be 100% right. However, the fact that a Cubs fan is commenting in an admitted reactionary thread between the O's and Nats on an O's board is the definition of trolling.

To be fair Davearm is a regular poster.

[Mad Mark]

It's on MLB.com. The original shot breaks away but when they show the replays, he clearly stares down Sherrill and spits. Class act right there.

I mean, seriously, if you felt disrespected because they pitched around the guy in front of you...hitting a homer pretty much says it all. Staring and spitting before breaking out in to your trot is just bush.

OK...I've seen it now. That was bush. No, I take that back. That was sub-bush. That was shrub.
Ronnie Belliard: hero to schrutebags everywhere.

[Spoonless]

Just stay out of the thread. I haven't even seen the walk off yet so I can't even comment on Belliard. You very well could be 100% right. However, the fact that a Cubs fan is commenting in an admitted reactionary thread between the O's and Nats on an O's board is the definition of trolling.

Not really. He came in and gave his opinion about what happened. I don't see the problem.

[Lucky Jim]

To be fair Davearm is a regular poster.

Yeah, there are few things "regular" about Dave's posts. This one was pretty indicative of them, over all.* And being regular doesn't preclude one from being a troll.*


* Right or wrong, his perspective is, usually, that we're all (or at least 75% of us) a bunch of over-reacting sub-cretin morons who'd be lucky to be Cub fans. He may be right. But we don't need to hear it after a tough loss.

*I think I just discovered a new Metamucil advertisement.

[Murhyslaw]

The guy just hit a 2-out, 2-strike, walkoff HR to beat their rivals and clinch a series.

You guys do realize that the majority of MLers would've reacted that way, or some other showboaty way that could be misconstrued as showing up the other team?

Not too many players just put their head down and sprint around the bases with a blank look on their face after doing that.

Much ado about nothing here.

only the media thinks they are our rivals. The Brewers are more rivals to us then the Nats. I also disagree that most players would act like that. I think cheering, jumping or arm in the air would be called for, but instead he acted like a fat turd.

[Spoonless]

OK...I've seen it now. That was bush. No, I take that back. That was sub-bush. That was shrub.
Ronnie Belliard: hero to schrutebags everywhere.

You must return here with a shrubbery, or else, you will never pass through this wood... alive.

[ccbird]

Not really. He came in and gave his opinion about what happened. I don't see the problem.

I know he's a regular and he has a right to express his opinion but it's trolling. There is absolutely no need for him to respond in a reactionary thread where O's fans are venting about a heartbreaking loss.


And for the record I don't really have a problem with what Beliard did. I can't say I like it but it was no different than what you would see from a majority of MLB players who did the same thing in the same situation these days.

[davearm]

I know he's a regular and he has a right to express his opinion but it's trolling. There is absolutely no need for him to respond in a reactionary thread where O's fans are venting about a heartbreaking loss.


And for the record I don't really have a problem with what Beliard did. I can't say I like it but it was no different than what you would see from a majority of MLB players who did the same thing in the same situation these days.
Wait a second now.

Apparently we both feel Belliard's behavior "was no different than what you would see from a majority of MLB players who did the same thing in the same situation these days."

But I'm trolling and you're not?

[RZNJ]

Anyone who is objective and watches a lot of baseball, knows that the reaction of Belliard was not typical or even something you see a lot of guys do. I'm sure it's been done but I'd chalk it up as rare, and there's a reason for that. Let's get real here. Sure, I've seen guys stand at the plate and admire their homeruns before they circle the bases. BUT, staring down the pitcher is COMPLETELY different thing.

[ChaosLex]

Anyone who is objective and watches a lot of baseball, knows that the reaction of Belliard was not typical or even something you see a lot of guys do. I'm sure it's been done but I'd chalk it up as rare, and there's a reason for that. Let's get real here. Sure, I've seen guys stand at the plate and admire their homeruns before they circle the bases. BUT, staring down the pitcher is COMPLETELY different thing.

It's not so much the staring as the spitting that grinds my gears.

[weams]

Luke Scott would not do that. Nick Markakis would not do that. Adam Jones would not do that.

Guess we don't have enough Thug lifestyle in Baltimore.

[Spoonless]

I know he's a regular and he has a right to express his opinion but it's trolling. There is absolutely no need for him to respond in a reactionary thread where O's fans are venting about a heartbreaking loss.

If there's no need for a poster to be posting in a thread, I suggest we leave it up to the moderators to take care of that. I'm going to guess they're not going to forbid people without pro-Orioles biased opinions to post in a thread, regardless of if it comes with a disclaimer as to the nature of said thread.

As for Belliard, I don't like the stare-down. However, from Belliard's explanation I can see why he would act like that. And while I don't like it, it's not necessarily a bad thing if it gets the O's fired up.

[ADZ23]

Easy for him to do it when there's no more games left.

[Spoonless]

Anyone who is objective and watches a lot of baseball, knows that the reaction of Belliard was not typical or even something you see a lot of guys do. I'm sure it's been done but I'd chalk it up as rare, and there's a reason for that. Let's get real here. Sure, I've seen guys stand at the plate and admire their homeruns before they circle the bases. BUT, staring down the pitcher is COMPLETELY different thing.

It reminds me of when Sheffield stared down Cabrera.

[davearm]

So if someone were to hit a game winning homerun off Kerry Wood, start walking around the bases, look at Wood, spit on the ground, and then proceed to jog around the bases, you'd have absolutly no objections? Be honest.
I'd be pissed the Cubs lost.

And a part of me would be pissed that this sort of behavior is commonplace in MLB these days.

Unfortunately, it is commonplace.

If you retaliated every time a guy did something like this, your whole pitching staff would be suspended.

And FWIW, the whole "staredown-and-spit" take is a dramatic reach. I saw him launch an innocent little between-the-teether as he was watching the flight of the ball. Lots of guys do that, too.

[ChaosLex]

It reminds me of when Sheffield stared down Cabrera.

But once again, there's a difference between staring down a person and spitting in their general direction. Spitting is pretty much the ultimate sign of disrespect. That's why what Roberto Alomar did was so reprehensible.

[ChaosLex]

I'd be pissed the Cubs lost.

And a part of me would be pissed that this sort of behavior is commonplace in MLB these days.

Unfortunately, it is commonplace.

If you retaliated every time a guy did something like this, your whole pitching staff would be suspended.

And FWIW, the whole "staredown-and-spit" take is a dramatic reach. I saw him launch an innocent little between-the-teether as he was watching the flight of the ball. Lots of guys do that, too.

Thank you for getting back to me. While I disagree, I appreciate you answering my question.

[PrivateO]

Players get "intentionally" walked all the time by a pitcher, to try and get to the worse player. In this case, the worse player (Belliard) had hit less home runs than Young had. The second player does have a right to be mad about that, and a home run is like a nail in the coffin to the pitcher.

However, when someone like Belliard stares down Sherrill, SPITS in his direction( which I consider the worst), and slowly plods halfway to first base, it is way too much and utterly disrespectful. The point of intentional walks is to get to a worse batter. It either works, or it doesn't and the batter gets revenge. Belliard's behavior during the hit, and even after in that interview were classless IMO.

[McNulty]

But once again, there's a difference between staring down a person and spitting in their general direction. Spitting is pretty much the ultimate sign of disrespect. That's why what Roberto Alomar did was so reprehensible.

Spitting from 50 feet away in someone's direction and spitting ON someone are two totally different things.

[gallden]

Luke Scott would not do that. Nick Markakis would not do that. Adam Jones would not do that.

Guess we don't have enough Thug lifestyle in Baltimore.

Exactly. Well said Weams to say that the majority of players would do that is IMO disrespectful to likes of the classy guys in the leagues like Wright, DLee, and the guys from the O's that Weams mentioned, I could go on.

[The Wedge]

And FWIW, the whole "staredown-and-spit" take is a dramatic reach. I saw him launch an innocent little between-the-teether as he was watching the flight of the ball. Lots of guys do that, too.

If he hadn't have spouted off post game about how he felt about Sherril pitching around Young to get to him, you might be right. Put the two together and it's not even a slight reach to think he was staring down Sherill and spitting in disrespect.

[ChaosLex]

Exactly. Well said Weams to say that the majority of players would do that is IMO disrespectful to likes of the classy guys in the leagues like Wright, DLee, and the guys from the O's that Weams mentioned, I could go on.

Gallden,

If you have anything to say to me, you can come to the Nats stadium and say it to my face.

Hugs & Kisses,
Ronnie Belliard


Sorry bud, I couldn't resist. :D

[gallden]

Gallden,

If you have anything to say to me, you can come to the Nats stadium and say it to my face.

Hugs & Kisses,
Ronnie Belliard


Sorry bud, I couldn't resist. :D


Ha I'll meet you at the flagpole at 9!!!!

[Lucky Jim]

Honestly, I don't get all that upset after losses. I mean, we're about 20 games better than I thought we'd be anyway. So far, this is all gravy.

[ADZ23]

Luke Scott would not do that. Nick Markakis would not do that. Adam Jones would not do that.

Guess we don't have enough Thug lifestyle in Baltimore.

Neither would/did Ripken. I remember a Twins game where they pitched around somebody to load the bases for Cal in the 9th. Forget if he ended up driving them in.

[weams]

I never take a loss well. Especially not a walk off. I just feel bad for the guys. They fought back and got it to Flat Breezy. Bad ending.

[NuOriolesNation]

I can't stand a couple of the players on the Nats. They have that tough guy/arrogant attitude. Belliard, D. Young, Dukes, and Milledge come to mind. They all think they are the greatest ball players alive. I wouldn't be a Nats fan even if the O's didn't exist because I don't like a few of the players attitudes. What Belliard did doesn't surprise me. I never have like Belliard from his days with the Indians. He tries to act like Manny... minus being a good hitter. Manny may be arrogant, but at least his numbers back it up. Belliard is just lousy but thinks he is as good as Manny.

[weams]

You know how they have the drug tests for the Olympic medalists? Test Ronnie right about now. Do we get our win back if he's dirty?

[Fan4Life]

It.

Was.

Not.

A.

Strike.

Sherill shouldn't have thrown a meatball with the next pitch.

I don't know that is was a meatball, but, the ONLY way Belliard is hitting it out is down the LF line.... .so throwing a curve to the inside portion was a terrible pitch selection... ok... it was a meatball.

[Fan4Life]

Honestly, I don't get all that upset after losses. I mean, we're about 20 games better than I thought we'd be anyway. So far, this is all gravy.

I hate it Jim, hate it!!! I don't see any silver linings in a loss and I cannot be happy setting a goal to be mediocre... the idea is winning....

[CrimsonTribe]

So Belliard's an *******. Why let it bother you? That's his problem.

[WEAVERMAN]

Easy for him to do it when there's no more games left.

The Orioles are going plug his fat a## the next time they see him.

[weams]

I know players read this site. Any of you know this guy (http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=457761)? Any favors that you can call in?

[ccbird]

Wait a second now.

Apparently we both feel Belliard's behavior "was no different than what you would see from a majority of MLB players who did the same thing in the same situation these days."

But I'm trolling and you're not?

If you don't see the difference in an Orioles fan being in this thread and a Cubs fan I can't help you. It's not the time, it's 5-30 min after a heartbreaking loss. You had no emotion invested in the game at all.



I know if I was in a Chi sports bar even as a regular wearing an O's hat after the Cubs just lost on a walkoff to the Sox and the hitter showed the Cubs up I wouldn't be going around jumping into the patrons conversations and spouting off my opinion on the subject. If was not necessary and I dare say not wanted for your opinion to be heard even though it was your right to do so.

[Lucky Jim]

If you don't see the difference in an Orioles fan being in this thread and a Cubs fan I can't help you. It's not the time, it's 5-30 min after a heartbreaking loss. You had no emotion invested in the game at all.



I know if I was in a Chi sports bar even as a regular wearing an O's hat after the Cubs just lost on a walkoff to the Sox and the hitter showed the Cubs up I wouldn't be going around jumping into the patrons conversations and spouting off my opinion on the subject. If was not necessary and I dare say not wanted for your opinion to be heard even though it was your right to do so.

Careful...these kinds of blade-thin distinctions will fall on mostly deaf ears. And some of those who recognize the difference will willfully ignore them because they get a kick out of their day's work on the board.

Where in CC are you from, by the way?

[Lucky Jim]

I hate it Jim, hate it!!! I don't see any silver linings in a loss and I cannot be happy setting a goal to be mediocre... the idea is winning....

I completely understand. We may not be built the same, but I get where you're coming from. No doubt.

[oandb21]

I seen him spit between his teeth as he was watching the ball fly, not while staring down Sherril. It was a few steps after spitting that he started staring at Sherrill. I see no "serious" disrespect in that, although it is a shame that the "HAHA walk" is common place, wouldn't happen in the old days.

[Mad Mark]

It's official (as if it wasn't before), les Expos de la Washington, DC are now officially the Elijah Dukes Schrutebag All-Thugs. And Belliard is their prom king.

[gallden]

It's official (as if it wasn't before), les Expos de la Washington, DC are now officially the Elijah Dukes Schrutebag All-Thugs. And Belliard is their prom king.

Elijah Dukes is one scary looking man, a friend played with him and he said that he looked like he had wings his lats were so big.

[Moose Milligan]

I'm with davearm. No biggie, whatever.

[weams]

I'm with davearm. No biggie, whatever.

Speaking of Dave. It looks like he will experience our pain. The White Sox are well on their way to sweeping them.

[weams]

Was that Marmol who was clobbered by Thome?

[weams]

Well...the Cubs are not taking this lying down. Or ARE they.

[weams]

Nope they got swept. Dave does feel our pain.

[NuOriolesNation]

Nope they got swept. Dave does feel our pain.

I'd take his pain anyday. At least his team is in 1st place.

[Sideburns]

I was so thinking that would happen (the walkoff), in the back of my mind, and nearly puked when it did happen. It hurt to see that.

[Hank Scorpio]

I kept telling my girlfriend that they weren't winning that game and I basically stopped watching after the 7th inning. That was the first time all year that they just looked lethargic to me. Anyways, she was giving me play by play from the living room and as soon as Sherrill walked Dmitri Young I said, "Kiss of death, bringing the GW run to the plate." 2 minutes later, it was over.

[NewMarketSean]

You all sound like sore losers. We got beat. He strutted down to first base. It is what it is. Get over it.

[The Wedge]

You all sound like sore losers. We got beat. He strutted down to first base. It is what it is. Get over it.

It's not the strutting that's upset most people, you realize.

[Hank Scorpio]

I tend to lean towards the "he hit the game winning homerun, he can do what he wants" side of this. If he wants to make a jackass of himself, good for him. I think that most of the players would probably echo that sentiment.

Belliard was the better man, and he won the game. Let the backup have his moment in the sun, I say.

[Knife_Dixon]

And FWIW, the whole "staredown-and-spit" take is a dramatic reach. I saw him launch an innocent little between-the-teether as he was watching the flight of the ball. Lots of guys do that, too.

You don't actually believe what you are writing do you? Look, I am not mad at Belliard, I don't think anyone but George Sherrill has the right to be mad at him, but if you can honestly say that wasn't one of the worst show-up jobs you've ever seen there may be no way to reason with you.

I understand that you like to take the opposing view and tell Orioles fans why they don't know what they are talking about. Thats good for the board and gives an opposing viewpoint. However, trying to rationalize what happened yesterday as "nothing much" and "innocent" is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read on this board. Its right up there with the "Let's trade Jay Payton and Kevin Millar for Joey Votto and Jay Bruce" threads on the absurdity scale.

[The Wedge]

Belliard was the better man, and he won the game. Let the backup have his moment in the sun, I say.

He did, then he ruined it by staring down the pitcher, spitting, and then complaining about being disrespected in the postgamer.

[Mackus]

Belliard definitely showed up Sherrill, but he also crushed a walk-off no-doubt-about-it HR to win the game. He's got every right to do exactly what he did, and I wouldn't expect any different out of most of our guys.

I definitely think if they were playing again tomorrow that Belliard would wear one in the hip, but it wasn't such an insult that I think they'll worry about it when they play next season.

[The Wedge]

Belliard definitely showed up Sherrill, but he also crushed a walk-off no-doubt-about-it HR to win the game. He's got every right to do exactly what he did, and I wouldn't expect any different out of most of our guys.

I definitely think if they were playing again tomorrow that Belliard would wear one in the hip, but it wasn't such an insult that I think they'll worry about it when they play next season.

I'd dispute that bolded part. He barely kept it fair.

[Hank Scorpio]

He did, then he ruined it by staring down the pitcher, spitting, and then complaining about being disrespected in the postgamer.

Hey, that's his perogative, IMO.

I wouldn't celebrate it if one of our guys did it, but I wouldn't expect most of them to do it.

[Mackus]

I'd dispute that bolded part. He barely kept it fair.Nah, it was plenty fair. There wasn't any doubt about it remaining in the field, thats for sure.

[The Wedge]

Hey, that's his perogative, IMO.

Well yeah. He's an adult, capable of making his own choices. It just wasn't a very good choice, and it's my prerogative to keep pointing it out. :D

[Moose Milligan]

I'm still a bit perplexed.

Belliard had his Oakley's on, so we don't really know specifically what he was looking at. Was he looking at Sherrill? Was he looking at the ball fly out of the stadium?

What was he spitting at? Was he spitting at Sherrill? Was his spit the "exclamation mark", sort of a "hell yeah!" kind of thing? Whats the message behind the spit?

Feels like we haven't had much to get upset and up in arms about lately, so this has been blown out of proportion.

[ChrisAF79]

I'm still a bit perplexed.

Belliard had his Oakley's on, so we don't really know specifically what he was looking at. Was he looking at Sherrill? Was he looking at the ball fly out of the stadium?

What was he spitting at? Was he spitting at Sherrill? Was his spit the "exclamation mark", sort of a "hell yeah!" kind of thing? Whats the message behind the spit?

Feels like we haven't had much to get upset and up in arms about lately, so this has been blown out of proportion.
Spit is such a difficult language to comprehend, isn't it? ;)

[Moose Milligan]

Spit is such a difficult language to comprehend, isn't it? ;)

It really is, apparently.

It's not like he pulled an Alomar. Spit at from 60 feet away, whatever. Spit on from 6 inches away, whole different story.

[Mackus]

I'm still a bit perplexed.

Belliard had his Oakley's on, so we don't really know specifically what he was looking at. Was he looking at Sherrill? Was he looking at the ball fly out of the stadium?

What was he spitting at? Was he spitting at Sherrill? Was his spit the "exclamation mark", sort of a "hell yeah!" kind of thing? Whats the message behind the spit?

Feels like we haven't had much to get upset and up in arms about lately, so this has been blown out of proportion.Also, these guys spit all the time, its usually not even a actual decision, just a reaction. Like when Adam Jones made that awesome catch running into the wall earlier this year and in mid-jump blew a bubble with his gum. I've seen Jeter do the same thing, blow a bubble while running the bases trying to stretch a single into a double. If they can blow bubbles without thinking about it, I'm sure they can spit just the same.

I think people are really overreacting to Belliard's reaction to hitting that HR.

[Moose Milligan]

Also, these guys spit all the time, its usually not even a actual decision, just a reaction. Like when Adam Jones made that awesome catch running into the wall earlier this year and in mid-jump blew a bubble with his gum. I've seen Jeter do the same thing, blow a bubble while running the bases trying to stretch a single into a double. If they can blow bubbles without thinking about it, I'm sure they can spit just the same.

I think people are really overreacting to Belliard's reaction to hitting that HR.

Bingo bango :)

[ChrisAF79]

It really is, apparently.

It's not like he pulled an Alomar. Spit at from 60 feet away, whatever. Spit on from 6 inches away, whole different story.
My take on it is...whatever. I think Belliard's actions were pretty classless overall, but I'm more angry that we lost the game. It just about ruined my Sunday. Damn the O's for making me care so much.

[The Wedge]

As I've said ad nauseum at this point, I really wouldn't have thought twice about the staring and spitting, and chalked it up to grandstanding and involuntary expectoral reactions, but his post gamer sort of put it in to context and I really think he was giving Sherrill the business for his own perceived slight.

[davearm]

Also, these guys spit all the time, its usually not even a actual decision, just a reaction. Like when Adam Jones made that awesome catch running into the wall earlier this year and in mid-jump blew a bubble with his gum. I've seen Jeter do the same thing, blow a bubble while running the bases trying to stretch a single into a double. If they can blow bubbles without thinking about it, I'm sure they can spit just the same.

I think people are really overreacting to Belliard's reaction to hitting that HR.
Alfonso Soriano spits like every 5 seconds, whether he's in the middle of homering, striking out, running the bases, or just standing around. Seriously, he'll spit 2 or 3 times between every pitch.

Like you said, for a lot of guys it's a habitual thing. Probably subconscious, too.

[BMann]

Belliard definitely showed up Sherrill, but he also crushed a walk-off no-doubt-about-it HR to win the game. He's got every right to do exactly what he did, and I wouldn't expect any different out of most of our guys.

That's the real problem, I guess. Way too many professional athletes in just about every sport these days leave the "sportsmanship" at home. I remember DeCinces' "Orioles Magic" game-winner in June of '79, and there was nothing but pure joy on his face as he rounded the bases. OK, no one was pitched around to get to Doogie, but still... Show a little class, enjoy what YOU accomplished instead of rubbing it in to your opponent. Don't they still teach that in Little League?

[Ooooooohhhh!!!!]

Alfonso Soriano spits like every 5 seconds, whether he's in the middle of homering, striking out, running the bases, or just standing around. Seriously, he'll spit 2 or 3 times between every pitch.

Like you said, for a lot of guys it's a habitual thing. Probably subconscious, too.

I spit too. I just try not to do it in a disrespectful way.

I haven't played baseball since high school, so I'm a little out of touch with the on-field vibe. I do, however, play a lot of soccer. If an opponent scored, started walking, stared at my keeper, and spit, I think I'd be a tad bit ticked off. I'd get in his face and say something right away, then someone on my team would wreck shop the first real chance they had.

If someone had yelled out "don't mark the guy, he's terrible" I could understand a little staring or a comment. Somehow I doubt Trembley yelled to Sherrill "walk the tying run and pitch to the fat guy. He can't hit a lick!"

[PaulFolk]

If someone had yelled out "don't mark the guy, he's terrible" I could understand a little staring or a comment. Somehow I doubt Trembley yelled to Sherrill "walk the tying run and pitch to the fat guy. He can't hit a lick!"
If Trembley had said that, Sherrill would've just pitched to Young. :p

[weams]

I'd take his pain anyday. At least his team is in 1st place.

No, No, No, I was alive and in attendance when the Orioles won. They have won multiple times in my lifetime. I could never be the fan of a team that never wins, no matter what, I have to have a bit of hope in my fandom. A tiny bit. The Orioles could possibly win another World Series. They have done it before and I saw it. It is not just a fantasy. Thant is all.

*fistbump*

[Dipper9]

I know players read this site. Any of you know this guy (http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=457761)? Any favors that you can call in?

Hey, Big Kev was a Marlin! :scratchchinhmm:

As soon as Belliard hit it and did the spit thing, I nearly destroyed my $1600 Bravia in the bedroom before quickly coming to my senses. He is definitely gonna get it from the O's at some point in the futre. Total disrespect and looked like a total arse.

I wonder how any Nats fans feel about this? I mean, seriously, lets put the shoe on the other foot. Suppose Kakes wins the game tonight on a walkoff, and spits in the direction of the pitcher while walking to first base. I would be ecstatic at the O's win, but I would be hugely dissapointed in Nick. I am seriously curious what the Nats fans think about Belliard's moves?

And another thing. What is George saw Belliard, and attcked his arse on his way to first base? Say a bench clearer breaks out, and Belliard never makes his way around the bases? Do the runs count? I am curious to know if there is a rule for this???? :confused:

[RShack]

What if George saw Belliard, and attcked his arse on his way to first base? Say a bench clearer breaks out, and Belliard never makes his way around the bases? Do the runs count? I am curious to know if there is a rule for this???? :confused:
I think tackling a HR-hitter during his leisurely stroll to 1B is probably considered interference ;-)

Much better to wait... and wait... and use a FB to sit his butt in the dirt one day when he least expects it... and *then* have the C tell him why...

[Tx Oriole]

hit him in the numbers you may hurt him badly and start a fight. To me it is just not worth it.

[SombodysMom]

This thread is funny. I was as disappointed in the loss as anyone else. I heard it on the radio, so I didn't see Belliard's actions. From what I've read, though, if Belliard acted like a jerk, I'm sure Manny Acta will take it up with him.

[El Gordo]

If Trembley had said that, Sherrill would've just pitched to Young. :pI distinctly heard DT say "walk the big fat guy and pitch to the little fat guy.":laughlol:

[IamtheSkip]

I spit too. I just try not to do it in a disrespectful way.

I haven't played baseball since high school, so I'm a little out of touch with the on-field vibe. I do, however, play a lot of soccer. If an opponent scored, started walking, stared at my keeper, and spit, I think I'd be a tad bit ticked off. I'd get in his face and say something right away, then someone on my team would wreck shop the first real chance they had.

If someone had yelled out "don't mark the guy, he's terrible" I could understand a little staring or a comment. Somehow I doubt Trembley yelled to Sherrill "walk the tying run and pitch to the fat guy. He can't hit a lick!"

Because immediately starting a fight would solve everything.

There are plenty of reasons to get angry during sporting events. Some guy staring after he scores or hits a bomb is not one of them.

Trading shots like that has been part of sports since the very beginning.

[Mad Mark]

Where's Crash Davis when we need him?
I would have laughed through the tears if Quiroz had gotten up in Belliard's grill and said "run, you Schrutebag Thug! You don't show up my pitcher like that and live to tell about it!"

[Boy Howdy]

Belliard's act didn't thrill me yesterday, primarily because: 1) I'm an Orioles fan & 2) I used to be a pitcher.

If you're going to act like that, my attitude is it's better to do it when hitting a come-from-behind walkoff homer than when you go deep to cut a deficit to "only" six runs in the fourth inning.

Belliard is the captain of the Licey Tigres Dominican League club, which is sort of like being captain of the Yankees or Red Sox depending on you're rooting interest there. He's a beloved player in the DR despite being nowhere near the best. I just think that's an interesting tidbit if you consider the cultural issues. Not saying any way is better/worse, right/wrong, but labelling him a thug and blaming hip hop is really a reach IMO. But, as an O's fan, I do understand. Still, Belliard could play for my team, though I liked him more as a young player with the Brewers when he drew lots of walks.

[Why Not?]

That's the real problem, I guess. Way too many professional athletes in just about every sport these days leave the "sportsmanship" at home. I remember DeCinces' "Orioles Magic" game-winner in June of '79, and there was nothing but pure joy on his face as he rounded the bases. OK, no one was pitched around to get to Doogie, but still... Show a little class, enjoy what YOU accomplished instead of rubbing it in to your opponent. Don't they still teach that in Little League?

Not in the DR, or the NBA.

[O'saintthatbad]

Alfonso Soriano spits like every 5 seconds, whether he's in the middle of homering, striking out, running the bases, or just standing around. Seriously, he'll spit 2 or 3 times between every pitch.

Like you said, for a lot of guys it's a habitual thing. Probably subconscious, too.

For me it wasn't the spitting...it was the walk down the base line while staring at the ball...

I once hit a BP homerun in high school and stared at it...my coach ( a fomer minor leaguer) nailed me with the next pitch...he told me that I shouldn't upstage a pitcher like that and that it wasn't right. I learned my lesson.

I hit 2 HRs at Aberdeen High the next week and almost past the guy on first because I just put my head down and ran as hard as I could both times.

Respect is a two way street...I say 1 in the ear flap next time!!!

[J.D.]

Respect is a two way street...I say 1 in the ear flap next time!!!

I say that throwing one in the ear flap is about the worst thing you can ever do in a professional baseball game. It's the equivalent of slashing at someone's face with a hockey stick. It's one thing to throw at a guy at his hip or back, where it'll sting but won't do any lasting damage. Throwing at a guy's head, especially in that region, can cost a player his career, or his life.

So if you wanna advocate that, go right ahead. I have a sense of humor about a LOT of things, but saying seriously that a pitcher should throw at a batter's head isn't something I particularly care for.

[YankThis!]

Sherill got 3 of the 4 strikes he needed to get that last batter out. He made a mistake on one pitch. What to do... It happens. Move on.

[O'saintthatbad]

I say that throwing one in the ear flap is about the worst thing you can ever do in a professional baseball game. It's the equivalent of slashing at someone's face with a hockey stick. It's one thing to throw at a guy at his hip or back, where it'll sting but won't do any lasting damage. Throwing at a guy's head, especially in that region, can cost a player his career, or his life.

So if you wanna advocate that, go right ahead. I have a sense of humor about a LOT of things, but saying seriously that a pitcher should throw at a batter's head isn't something I particularly care for.

OK, I agree...the ear flap is bad...can you sense my passion for doing things correctly?

Maybe 1 to the jugular would send the proper message:rofl:

just kidding again...he needs to learn a lesson though, maybe a hard slide into him on a double play

[J.D.]

OK, I agree...the ear flap is bad...can you sense my passion for doing things correctly?

Maybe 1 to the jugular would send the proper message:rofl:

just kidding again...he needs to learn a lesson though, maybe a hard slide into him on a double play

If the O's were playing them today, I'd assure you that Belliard was going to take one in the hip. I'd be willing to put like, $20 of Wedge's money on it.

Since they're not, I doubt you see much retaliation down the line. Seems a little silly to me to retaliate for something that, by that point, will have been almost a full season ago. I'm not a baseball player, though, and I'm not George Sherrill... so I have no idea how long he'll be ticked about getting shown up like that, if he is at all.

[YankThis!]

If the O's were playing them today, I'd assure you that Belliard was going to take one in the hip. I'd be willing to put like, $20 of Wedge's money on it.

Since they're not, I doubt you see much retaliation down the line. Seems a little silly to me to retaliate for something that, by that point, will have been almost a full season ago. I'm not a baseball player, though, and I'm not George Sherrill... so I have no idea how long he'll be ticked about getting shown up like that, if he is at all.

That's probably the last time Sherill will face that scrub in his entire career. It might be the last time the Orioles face him.

[El Gordo]

If the O's were playing them today, I'd assure you that Belliard was going to take one in the hip. I'd be willing to put like, $20 of Wedge's money on it.

Since they're not, I doubt you see much retaliation down the line. Seems a little silly to me to retaliate for something that, by that point, will have been almost a full season ago. I'm not a baseball player, though, and I'm not George Sherrill... so I have no idea how long he'll be ticked about getting shown up like that, if he is at all.I doubt Sherrill has given any thought to Belliard or his antics. He is only thinking about his hanging slider.

[J.D.]

I doubt Sherrill has given any thought to Belliard or his antics. He is only thinking about his hanging slider.

I tend to agree with you on that, Gordo. I think Sherrill's more mad about the slider than the reaction by Belliard. I'm only completely guessing, though.

[elsid]

I tend to agree with you on that, Gordo. I think Sherrill's more mad about the slider than the reaction by Belliard. I'm only completely guessing, though.

Yes. He could care less about what Belliard did. He is mad that the slider didn't finish. It didn't hang, as it was around or just below the knee. It just didn't end up where he wanted it to be.

When I saw the replay from sort of behind the plate angle, I saw the ball break early. That meant it was on the same angled plane for quite a while -- makes it easier to put a stroke on.

[TyCobb]

Has a baseball player ever died from getting hit in the head with a helmet on?

[Goop]

I was in right field yesterday, so I didn't see Belliard's reaction. If that's the case, then yes, I agree it was pretty classless.

[Mad Mark]

Yes. He could care less about what Belliard did. He is mad that the slider didn't finish. It didn't hang, as it was around or just below the knee. It just didn't end up where he wanted it to be.

When I saw the replay from sort of behind the plate angle, I saw the ball break early. That meant it was on the same angled plane for quite a while -- makes it easier to put a stroke on.

Did you get a chance to talk to him about yesterday? I'm wondering if he even saw Belliard's antics...at least when they occurred.