O's @ Jays---7/10

[micahl69]

We need a solid start from Guthrie. 7IP, >4er should certainly keep us in the game with how our hitting has been recently.

keys:
taking it easy on the bullpen (guthrie 7 ip+)
nick continues his hitting streak, setting the table w/ b-rob
jones/huff stay hot
give sherril a save opportunity

[J.D.]

Wow... it's dead in here. ;)

Nice double by Kakes to get the inning going. Now let's see if someone could actually drive him in.

[Marcus]

Go Nicky !

[El Gordo]

OK, Nick is starting to scare me now.:laughlol:

[J.D.]

OK, Nick is starting to scare me now.:laughlol:

Wow... Millar is REALLY really slow.

And Nick's just a machine up there. This is turning into what could be his best season yet.

[itsernst]

Yeah Millar is like molasses down the line.

[J.D.]

Yeah Millar is like molasses down the line.

No no. Molasses is like Millar down the line. ;)

AUBREY!!! Huffnpuff with the RBI. Finally, we get a lead on someone.

[Marcus]

Huff RBI single!

[itsernst]

Huff continues his best looking year yet.

[Marcus]

What was Ramon looking at?

[itsernst]

Wow Ramon looks awfully stupid right now.

[itsernst]

Just got a new job...again...why do I get so bored with my jobs?

[El Gordo]

If Guthrie remains true to form, he'll give that run right back. He doesn't seem to like pitching when he's ahead, too easy.:laughlol:

[itsernst]

If Guthrie remains true to form, he'll give that run right back. He doesn't seem to like pitching when he's ahead, too easy.:laughlol:

Ha...he doesn't give it away to the 6th or 7th.

[itsernst]

I want 5 guthrie SP's...have we perfected cloning without them looking like Sloth from the Goonies?

[itsernst]

B2B Dbl's Mora and Payton 2-0 Birds!

[MurphDogg]

I love the way Adam Jones chews his bubble gum... He has this way of doing it and seeming casual without seeming like he's not trying...

[itsernst]

I love the way Adam Jones chews his bubble gum... He has this way of doing it and seeming casual without seeming like he's not trying...

He definitely takes out some anger on that gum when he K's....you can see it.

[micahl69]

its amazing how many off speed pitches in the dirt AJ chased in the beginning of the year compared to his approach now.

its truly the definition of PROGRESS

[micahl69]

amazing we made a SMART base running play. jonesy is murdering the ball. i love it. bedard to the dl. aww shucks.

[itsernst]

Nice AB by Jones, he just missed that ball. At least he moved JPay to 3rd.

[MurphDogg]

Fahey looks so frightened holding that bat...

[micahl69]

Hey whatever gets it done, fahey.

[itsernst]

Fahey looks so frightened holding that bat...

He is afraid that if there is a fastball that exceeds 96mph he will go airborne from the back draft.

[higgybaby]

does anybody else have trouble seeing the score line when masn shows it at the top of their tv screeens?

[itsernst]

How many pitches is Parrish at anyone?

[El Gordo]

He is afraid that if there is a fastball that exceeds 96mph he will go airborne from the back draft.
At least he got the job done which is more than I can say for some of our "heavier" hitters. Parrish at 46 P after 2.

[micahl69]

guthrie is about to start cruising. parrish is around 30some pitches

[itsernst]

At least he got the job done which is more than I can say for some of our "heavier" hitters. Parrish at 46 P after 2.

He did...Thanks for the pitch count.

[J.D.]

I really don't think that was a strike, but whatever.

[Frobby]

I really don't think that was a strike, but whatever.

GameDay showed the two called strikes to Nick as being out of the strike zone, and strike three didn't appear to be particularly close. For those watching on TV, what say you?

[Peace21]

Good evening everyone...HUFF DADDY on FIYYAA

[El Gordo]

I really don't think that was a strike, but whatever.Neither did Nick. He just refuses to swing at that ball off the outside of the plate and the umps refuse to call it a ball, with the new speed up strike zone.

[J.D.]

GameDay showed the two called strikes to Nick as being out of the strike zone, and strike three didn't appear to be particularly close. For those watching on TV, what say you?

It was definitely off the plate. Just about over the other batter's box.

[Peace21]

Is it time to DFA Ramon? Or is it just me?

[J.D.]

Is it time to DFA Ramon? Or is it just me?

It's just you.

I don't want to defend Ramon too much, though. Some people don't take kindly to that. ;)

[dtk9119]

Ramon needs to go... time for Wieters

[FarmSystem]

Ramon looks like he's just given up and is resigned to the fact that Wieters is coming for his job.

[Ozone]

Eckstein looks like he's trying to throw someone out from the rightfield wall, but he's only 80 ft from first base and the ball tops in at about 35 mph.

[J.D.]

Can we all at least agree that Ramon isn't tanking it? You do realize what age does to a catcher, right?

[J.D.]

Eckstein looks like he's trying to throw someone out from the rightfield wall, but he's only 80 ft from first base and the ball tops in at about 35 mph.

God help him, he puts every bit of his 75 lbs behind the throw too. :D

[Peace21]

Ramon looks like he's just given up and is resigned to the fact that Wieters is coming for his job.

Plus he is trying to look like Jay Gibbons with those high socks.

[micahl69]

any predictions for when Weiters will come up?

everyone think he will at some point this year?

[itsernst]

Eckstein looks like he's trying to throw someone out from the rightfield wall, but he's only 80 ft from first base and the ball tops in at about 35 mph.

It is like a little kid throw from the OF.

[MurphDogg]

I will be pretty annoyed if that is the only hit Guthrie allows...

[Frobby]

Ramon looks like he's just given up and is resigned to the fact that Wieters is coming for his job.

You know, you really have a ridiculous anti-Ramon agenda. Ramon was hitting .276 for the month going into tonight. He had a key RBI hit yesterday. 2 unsuccessful AB's and he's "just given up."

Don't get me wrong, if we can trade him now and bring up Wieters, we should. But this daily character assassination gets old.

[El Gordo]

God help him, he puts every bit of his 75 lbs behind the throw too. :DI like the look of our 65 lb SS better and better.:laughlol:

[micahl69]

I will be pretty annoyed if that is the only hit Guthrie allows...

why would u be annoyed. id be pretty darn happy w a 1 hitter

[dtk9119]

any predictions for when Weiters will come up?

everyone think he will at some point this year?

I'm hoping by August... no need to wait. Ramon is done.

[micahl69]

I'm hoping by August... no need to wait. Ramon is done.

i hope you are right. those are the serious dog days of summer for baseball. o's will be 10+ under by then anyway haha

[El Gordo]

why would u be annoyed. id be pretty darn happy w a 1 hitter
Payton misplayed the ball. It could have been caught.

[MurphDogg]

why would u be annoyed. id be pretty darn happy w a 1 hitter

Because Payton could have made that catch...

[J.D.]

I'm hoping by August... no need to wait. Ramon is done.

He's driven in quite a few key runs for us this season. I know. I think I've seen half of them in person.

This whole "Ramon is done. Ramon's given up. Ramon doesn't try anymore," thing is complete and utter garbage. I get it. You want Wieters up, regardless of whether we're rushing him or not. But like Frobby said... this daily assassination of Ramon's character is stunning and ridiculous.

[WietersCorner]

I am watching on gameday, did Jones hit the ball hard and deep to the opposite field? Or was it a lazy flyout?

[micahl69]

Payton misplayed the ball. It could have been caught.

got ya. i thought that was a basehit all the way. be content w the fact that luke prob would not have caught that either.

we need a quick inning from guthrie here.

[WietersCorner]

I'm hoping by August... no need to wait. Ramon is done.

Sorry to burst your bubble dude, but Wieters just struck out in Double A. He is obviously not ready.:D

[J.D.]

I am watching on gameday, did Jones hit the ball hard and deep to the opposite field? Or was it a lazy flyout?

It was kind of a lazy flyout that carried. If that makes sense.

[micahl69]

What a SOLID play by guthrie. d cab would have run away from that bunt!!

[MurphDogg]

Nice catch Ramon...

[J.D.]

What a SOLID play by guthrie. d cab would have run away from that bunt!!

D-Cab's been doing a much better job defensively this year, too.

[J.D.]

Rick Dempsey's absolutely painful to listen to. I really, really miss good announcers.

[El Gordo]

got ya. i thought that was a basehit all the way. be content w the fact that luke prob would not have caught that either.

we need a quick inning from guthrie here.Luke gets good reads and good jumps, he might have got to it. Payton misjudged the ball, and went back when he should have gone in on it.

[micahl69]

D-Cab's been doing a much better job defensively this year, too.

please tell me you are joking. d-cab is a horrific fielding pitcher and has made zero improvement. its painful to watch him once he pitches the ball.

[Pickles]

Nice catch Ramon...

Way to ignore the fact that he was crossed up. That very well could have been Guts fault- but that wouldn't be very PC to say.

[El Gordo]

Another nice play by the razor.:laughlol:

[itsernst]

D-Cab's been doing a much better job defensively this year, too.

What games are you watching?

[J.D.]

please tell me you are joking. d-cab is a horrific fielding pitcher and has made zero improvement. its painful to watch him once he pitches the ball.

Please tell me you are joking. I get that he's not a good pitcher fielding his position. But he HAS improved on it this year. There have been numerous posts made about it on this board. The MASN guys have commented on his improvement this year as well. He's definitely improving. That doesn't mean he's gone from awful to okay. He's still bad. He's just a little better than he's been in the past.

[J.D.]

What games are you watching?

Hey, I didn't say he's good. I said he's better than he has been. There's a difference. :D

[J.D.]

Another nice play by the razor.:laughlol:

That nickname really should stick. I'm a fan. *fistbump*

[El Gordo]

Way to ignore the fact that he was crossed up. That very well could have been Guts fault- but that wouldn't be very PC to say.
Well that makes 5 passed....er crossed up balls for Ramon so far.

[Peace21]

Rick Dempsey's absolutely painful to listen to. I really, really miss good announcers.

His interview with Sherrill last night was horrendous.

" When you walk to the bullpen each night, do you ever say to yourself, I dont want to pitch today"?

Great question:rolleyes:

[micahl69]

ugh roberts seems to be getting caught stealing a lot recently.

although that certainly was not his fault.

[J.D.]

Roberts picked off... Markakis picked off... rally dead.

Oof. We seem to do that to ourselves a lot.

[FollyFollyToo]

How can Brian justify running halfway to 2nd and then stopping? Is he high?

[micahl69]

WOW

great coverage masn. im glad i got to see huff laughing instead of the actual GAME that is going on. pathetic.

2 running mistakes back to back. painful.

[Pickles]

Well that makes 5 passed....er crossed up balls for Ramon so far.

I'm sure he wasn't crossed up on all of em. I'm also sure that he was crossed up there and it very well may not have been his fault. Do you think it was any coincidence that it happened on the first pitch after a runner reached second for the first time in the game? But don't let facts get in the way of the irrational Hernandez bashing on this board.

[MurphDogg]

Was that a legal pickoff? It looked kinda fishy to me.

[itsernst]

Two pickoffs in a row is atrocious!!!!

[J.D.]

His interview with Sherrill last night was horrendous.

" When you walk to the bullpen each night, do you ever say to yourself, I dont want to pitch today"?

Great question:rolleyes:

I'm really glad I missed that... I may have thrown something at the TV.

Sherrill's response should've been: "I dunno... when you walk to the pressbox each night, do you ever say to yourself, I don't want to talk about myself today?"

[blueberryale77]

ugh roberts seems to be getting caught stealing a lot recently.

although that certainly was not his fault.

What happened exactly? I'm listening on the radio and people around me were talking over it. How does he end up caught in a rundown on a throw from the catcher?

[MurphDogg]

How can Brian justify running halfway to 2nd and then stopping? Is he high?

Hit and run. Knew he would have been thrown out at second and so, hoping the catcher threw to second he stopped in order to go back to first and beat the return throw. Unfortunately Barajas didn't throw through...

[FarmSystem]

How can you defend all of Hernandez's problems?

Terrible arm
Jogs out ground balls
All the passed balls
Lack of power hitting
Terrible batting average
Doesn't call a particularly good game

[ccbird]

That's all on Nick. Doesn't swing the bat on a clear hit and run to protect the runner and then gets picked off only being 2 steps off the bag. I love Nick but that's two unacceptable mental errors in a row.

[Mackus]

Roberts stopped on the way to 2nd, not sure if it was a missed hit and run by Nick or he just didn't get a good jump and tried to make it back. Kinda think it was the former.

And for Nick's pickoff, that was the first time I have EVER seen Parrish's quick move to first work. Somebody in the O's coaching staff really dropped the ball on telling the team that Parrish does that move. Even though he usually throws it up the right field line.

[MurphDogg]

That's all on Nick. Doesn't swing the bat on a clear hit and run to protect the runner and then gets picked off only being 2 steps off the bad. I love Nick but that's two unacceptable mental errors in a row

Well there was a walk in there as well, so not quite in a row...

[Mackus]

Was that a legal pickoff? It looked kinda fishy to me.Yeah, its legal, Sherrill does it sometimes too.

I hate that move because it almost never works and pitchers constantly throw that snap throw away. Parrish throws that away nearly constantly. I can't believe he actually got somebody with it.

[FollyFollyToo]

Hit and run. Knew he would have been thrown out at second and so, hoping the catcher threw to second he stopped in order to go back to first and beat the return throw. Unfortunately Barajas didn't throw through...

Yeah, but wouldn't he be better off just going for the steal and hoping for an errant throw? He was halfway to 2nd, he wouldn't have gotten back even if if Barajas had thrown to 2nd. Plus, If I have Roberts' speed, I treat every hit & run as a straight steal.

[Frobby]

With that walk, Nick is right on the cusp of .300/.400/.500. His OBP is .39949, and his SLG is .500. A hit or walk next AB would put him over the top.

[Frobby]

Guthrie is pitching great, but my karma-meter says we need to score 2 more runs to stomp all the life out of Toronto. I hate it when a team scores runs early and then goes to sleep. That never seems to work out.

[El Gordo]

I'm sure he wasn't crossed up on all of em. I'm also sure that he was crossed up there and it very well may not have been his fault. Do you think it was any coincidence that it happened on the first pitch after a runner reached second for the first time in the game? But don't let facts get in the way of the irrational Hernandez bashing on this board.I'm really ot a Ramon basher. I think he's getting old and his legs are going It's all footwork for a C. That's why his throws are bad and he can't get in front of the ball in the dirt. He would be a good back up C and RH DH.

[MurphDogg]

Yeah, but wouldn't he be better off just going for the steal and hoping for an errant throw? He was halfway to 2nd, he wouldn't have gotten back even if if Barajas had thrown to 2nd. Plus, If I have Roberts' speed, I treat every hit & run as a straight steal.

No. If there was an errant throw he likely would have gotten back to first anyway or if the ball went in to center he would have gotten to second. Further it allowed for a potential errant throw from the shortstop throwing back to first if the throw went to second. Did you see the replay? He got a terrible jump, there was no way he was going to make it to second.

[ccbird]

Guthrie is pitching great, but my karma-meter says we need to score 2 more runs to stomp all the life out of Toronto. I hate it when a team scores runs early and then goes to sleep. That never seems to work out.

4 run cushion is enough for you after whats happened the last two nights??Let's make it 6 and then I won't start to sweat unless DT goes to Sarfate again.

[El Gordo]

Yeah, but wouldn't he be better off just going for the steal and hoping for an errant throw? He was halfway to 2nd, he wouldn't have gotten back even if if Barajas had thrown to 2nd. Plus, If I have Roberts' speed, I treat every hit & run as a straight steal.
What do you know about base running that BRob doesn't?:rolleyestf:

[J.D.]

How can you defend all of Hernandez's problems?

Terrible arm He's 32. That's not that old, but as a catcher... it's getting up there. His arm's never really been supergreat.
Jogs out ground balls If he's guilty of that, then so's Millar and Huff. They all run at about the same speed. Heck, I've seen Brian loaf a few grounders, but no one's ready to beat up on him.
All the passed balls See above. He's 32 and a catcher. Is it really out of the realm of possibility that he's just getting old and doesn't move as quickly as he used to? No... he's just not trying. :rolleyes:
Lack of power hitting Umm... doesn't he have 7 homers this year? He's not a power hitter. His career high's 23. He's broken 20 twice.
Terrible batting average His career average is .262. So this isn't something new.
Doesn't call a particularly good game That's fairly subjective. I don't think he's the greatest at it. I don't think he's the worst catcher in the bigs at it, either.

What I get sick of, more than anything, is the bashing of Ramon for a "lack of effort." If you honestly don't think he's trying then that's a personal opinion. He's a fairly laid-back baseball player. Always has been. I think his speed and quickness are declining because he's getting older. And I think that makes him appear to be loafing it more than he really is.

[Coker]

Haha. Huff had a keg party in HS :p

[J.D.]

I'm really ot a Ramon basher. I think he's getting old and his legs are going It's all footwork for a C. That's why his throws are bad and he can't get in front of the ball in the dirt. He would be a good back up C and RH DH.

I 100% agree with this. It's not a lack of effort. He's getting old. He doesn't move as well as he used to.

[Coker]

And Dempsey continues to talk of himself.

[J.D.]

I really hate seeing teams chip away at small leads of ours with ground outs that score runs. I don't know why, but this drives me insane.

[Coker]

Rios singles and steals 2nd.

[MurphDogg]

Ramon showed his detractors there making that pointless throw to second after bobbling the ball...

[El Gordo]

What I get sick of, more than anything, is the bashing of Ramon for a "lack of effort." If you honestly don't think he's trying then that's a personal opinion. He's a fairly laid-back baseball player. Always has been. I think his speed and quickness are declining because he's getting older. And I think that makes him appear to be loafing it more than he really is.
I agree. If Ramon was loafing DT would be on him about it, and would have no problem starting Quiroz more.

[Why Not?]

What I get sick of, more than anything, is the bashing of Ramon for a "lack of effort." If you honestly don't think he's trying then that's a personal opinion. He's a fairly laid-back baseball player. Always has been. I think his speed and quickness are declining because he's getting older. And I think that makes him appear to be loafing it more than he really is.

I'm not a chronic Ramon-basher. But some of the stuff he does behind the plate could lead to a diagnosis of laziness. Oftentimes he just throws his glove at a ball in the dirt instead of moving his body over to block it. Obviously he knows that's not the right play, but he does it with some consistency.

I'm not in his head, so I don't know if it's laziness or just a player making a bad play.

[micahl69]

while everyone is pressed on ramon hernandez, i think that mora needs to go this off season. trade him, do something. he is awful and does not deserve to be in the lineup every night. its getting old.

[J.D.]

I'm not a chronic Ramon-basher. But some of the stuff he does behind the plate could lead to a diagnosis of laziness. Oftentimes he just throws his glove at a ball in the dirt instead of moving his body over to block it. Obviously he knows that's not the right play, but he does it with some consistency.

I'm not in his head, so I don't know if it's laziness or just a player making a bad play.

Or if he just doesn't move as quickly and tries to compensate by blocking things with the glove. Personally, I don't think he gets enough rest.

[Pickles]

I'm not saying Ramon's a great player, but he's still servicable, and I'm sure it isn't a lack of effort on his part that has caused his decline. However, jumping on him for getting crossed up on the first pitch after the first runner reaches second in a game is just way over the line. If you're going to jump his a--, wait until he's done something to deserve it, otherwise its just hateful.

[micahl69]

AJ with another pretty hit to the opposite field. thats how you know he is getting it. he is not worried about pulling the ball or hitting homeruns. he is putting good swings on the ball and making solid contact. thats how you have a long career.

[porterhouse]

Adam on fire!

[MurphDogg]

Heh, not pinch hitting for Fahey this time...

[El Gordo]

Though I feel this game slipping away AJ is a joy to watch.

[J.D.]

while everyone is pressed on ramon hernandez, i think that mora needs to go this off season. trade him, do something. he is awful and does not deserve to be in the lineup every night. its getting old.

He's in the lineup because he's making $8 million this year, and there's not really anyone in the system that can fill in at third right now and do a better job than Mora defensively. Finding another third baseman should definitely be a priority this off-season. I don't think Mora's contract expires till 2009, though. If that's the case, you're probably looking at another year of Melvin.

[J.D.]

Though I feel this game slipping away AJ is a joy to watch.

Especially with the way that he's been hitting the ball the last month and a half or so. Watching him develop this year has been a treat. He's definitely going to be a special player.

[El Gordo]

I'm not a chronic Ramon-basher. But some of the stuff he does behind the plate could lead to a diagnosis of laziness. Oftentimes he just throws his glove at a ball in the dirt instead of moving his body over to block it. Obviously he knows that's not the right play, but he does it with some consistency.

I'm not in his head, so I don't know if it's laziness or just a player making a bad play.
When your legs are going this is what happens. Try sitting on your haunces for 3 hours and see how nimble you are afterwards.

[Ozone]

Another HR for Weiters tonight.

[MurphDogg]

Wieters homers in the 5th for the Baysox, scoring Reimold. Hopefully we will see the same next season for the O's.

[Peace21]

If this team finishes the first half .500 ill be estatic!

[micahl69]

He's in the lineup because he's making $8 million this year, and there's not really anyone in the system that can fill in at third right now and do a better job than Mora defensively. Finding another third baseman should definitely be a priority this off-season. I don't think Mora's contract expires till 2009, though. If that's the case, you're probably looking at another year of Melvin.

What About Scott Moore or Mike Costanzo? They both are young guys who are solid defensively and certainly have more pop in their bats than Mora does. Unfortunately, I don't think the O's would cut ties early with Mora.

[micahl69]

Wieters homers in the 5th for the Baysox, scoring Reimold. Hopefully we will see the same next season for the O's.

wow i love to hear the sound of that. i think we will only have 1/2 of that combo. in the majors next year though. not tough to figure out which half.

[Coker]

You know, I'm not a big fan of the MASN "Were you There?" commercials. Because no, I wasn't there...I was watching it on tv.

Irritates me, is all.

[J.D.]

When your legs are going this is what happens. Try sitting on your haunces for 3 hours and see how nimble you are afterwards.

I have knee problems... I don't move that well when I have to crouch down for anything. :rofl:

[porterhouse]

Think Guthrie comes back for the 8th?

[J.D.]

You know, I'm not a big fan of the MASN "Were you There?" commercials. Because no, I wasn't there...I was watching it on tv.

Irritates me, is all.

That's funny... I was just sitting there watching that commercial going "Uh huh... yep... I seen it."

I just happened to be at the game that day. :D

[El Gordo]

What About Scott Moore or Mike Costanzo? They both are young guys who are solid defensively and certainly have more pop in their bats than Mora does. Unfortunately, I don't think the O's would cut ties early with Mora.How many HR do Costanzo and Moore have in AAA. Do you know? I know Melmo has 11 in the ML. And no, neither are better defenders than Melvin.

[MurphDogg]

Think Guthrie comes back for the 8th?

Yes, I do.

[micahl69]

doubtful guthrie comes back. 100 pitches. better to go to a fresh arm.

[RShack]

Think Guthrie comes back for the 8th?
Nah, I think it's gonna be Guthrie for 7, then JJ, then Hat Guy, just like The Good Lord intended... but, we'll see...

[J.D.]

What About Scott Moore or Mike Costanzo? They both are young guys who are solid defensively and certainly have more pop in their bats than Mora does. Unfortunately, I don't think the O's would cut ties early with Mora.

Costanzo's not a particularly good defensive anything. Moore's okay, but he's a fall off from Mora defensively, and believe it or not, he's more than a few ticks below Mora offensively. I have a feeling you'd have already seen Moore back up in Baltimore this season if his hitting warranted the promotion.

[porterhouse]

Yes, I do.
JJ warming though.

[micahl69]

Costanzo's not a particularly good defensive anything. Moore's okay, but he's a fall off from Mora defensively, and believe it or not, he's more than a few ticks below Mora offensively. I have a feeling you'd have already seen Moore back up in Baltimore this season if his hitting warranted the promotion.

JD--true, i have not heard much of anything about Moore. Costanzo impressed in spring training though. hopefully a lot of those guys will get legit shots next spring.

ANYBODY know whatsup w Hayden Penn this year??

[Mackus]

I'd bring Guthrie out for the 8th, but no major problems with going Johnson then Sherrill either.

I just think Guthrie gives us a slightly better chance than Johnson who has currently been struggling.

[MurphDogg]

JJ warming though.

I have been known to be wrong before ;). I think he is cruising and could get through the 8-9-1 part of the order.

[RShack]

I can't believe these guys are talking about whether Nick is gonna be Ted Williams.

Does anybody know when Palmer gets back, or is it a secret?

[Why Not?]

When your legs are going this is what happens. Try sitting on your haunces for 3 hours and see how nimble you are afterwards.

Oh, I know it's hard work. No question about that. But it's not like he's making the right play, just slower. He's not even trying to make the right play. Even if he's lost some speed/quickness, you still have to get after balls in the dirt.

[J.D.]

I can't believe these guys are talking about whether Nick is gonna be Ted Williams.

Does anybody know when Palmer gets back, or is it a secret?

Do you think Dempsey has Jim Palmer tied up and locked in a closet somewhere?

[MurphDogg]

I am glad I am an Orioles fan when Nick comes to bat and not a fan of the opposing team.

[dtk9119]

Wieters homers in the 5th for the Baysox, scoring Reimold. Hopefully we will see the same next season for the O's.

hmmm.... who was it earlier that said he struck out???

[Frobby]

Tremendous AB's by BRob and Nick. This pitcher has faced 2 batters and thrown 17 pitches. Too bad he's being pulled, because he's probably exhausted.

[El Gordo]

Oh, I know it's hard work. No question about that. But it's not like he's making the right play, just slower. He's not even trying to make the right play. Even if he's lost some speed/quickness, you still have to get after balls in the dirt.This post tells me you know nothing about catching so I give up.

[porterhouse]

This new pitcher is a real Major League-er :rofl::rolleyes:

[dtk9119]

well, here we go again, Ramon w/ another chance. At least 2 chokes w/ RISP tonight I think....

[micahl69]

ok here you go, melvin. prove your WORTH.

[Why Not?]

This post tells me you know nothing about catching so I give up.

Um, OK, if you say so.

I guess I'll give up trying to have an adult conversation with you about it. But I'm not going to go to the extent of questioning your knowledge. I'll be bigger than that.

[dtk9119]

YESSSS!!!!!! Finally!!!!! Go MElvin!!!!

[micahl69]

Yes Thats My Boy :)

[J.D.]

ok here you go, melvin. prove your WORTH.

Melvin just told all the haters to shut they moufs. Or something. :D

[Frobby]

That Mora is washed up! LOL.

[porterhouse]

Yeah Melvin - you're the man!

[Why Not?]

Huge runs, massive, gigantic runs.

[El Gordo]

Yeah that Mora is awful, couldn't even hit a double there. Too bad we don't have Moore or Costanza.:rolleyestf:

[RShack]

Melvin just told all the haters to shut they moufs. Or something. :D
Like that'll happen...

Anybody know what his RISP number is these days?

[micahl69]

ok, well 3 run lead. now you hand it off to the bullpen.

[Frobby]

well, here we go again, Ramon w/ another chance. At least 2 chokes w/ RISP tonight I think....

There's fair criticism, and stupid criticism. Ramon is hitting .328 in RISP situations this year. So if he fails, it's a "choke"?

[dtk9119]

JJ or Guts.... I say keep Guts in there...

[Pickles]

Like that'll happen...

Anybody know what his RISP number is these days?

The Tor. announcers just said its over .340.

[Pickles]

There's fair criticism, and stupid criticism. Ramon is hitting .328 in RISP situations this year. So if he fails, it's a "choke"?

Hernandez is "Can't Get Right" to some on this board.:rolleyes:

[Balmer Bomber]

Why didn't Ramon go to third on Mora's hit. The throw went to the plate with no chance of being cut off, and he would have scored on Payton's single. I hope that run doesn't come back to haunt us.

[JTrea81]

C'mon JJ get the DP...

[Pickles]

Why didn't Ramon go to third on Mora's hit. The throw went to the plate with no chance of being cut off, and he would have scored on Payton's single. I hope that run doesn't come back to haunt us.

Why didn't he just hit a homer when he was at bat. Then he would have scored for sure. It's like he's not even trying.

[JTrea81]

I think the book may be out on JJ...

[micahl69]

ok i take that back. this could get ugly. quick.

[RShack]

Well, I lost my connection for a couple minutes there...which prevented me from saying that I have faith that Mr. JJ will give us a nice BORING 8th inning...

BTW, I still believe Mr. JJ can do that...

[Bleed Orange]

oh no, here we go again.....

[El Gordo]

The curse of Guthrie I can't watch.:puke:

[dtk9119]

And why did he take Guts out?

[RShack]

oh no, here we go again.....


The curse of Guthrie I can't watch.:puke:
Buck up, campers...

[Balmer Bomber]

Why didn't he just hit a homer when he was at bat. Then he would have scored for sure. It's like he's not even trying.

No need to be facetious, I would have said that about anyone who would not have gone first to third in that situation.

And would you look at that, the Jays are within one run again instead of 2.

[dtk9119]

Unbelievable.....

[El Gordo]

I was kind of hoping we could avoid flat breezy time. Is that wrong of me.:mwahaha:

[RShack]

Well, I lost my connection for a couple minutes there...which prevented me from saying that I have faith that Mr. JJ will give us a nice BORING 8th inning...

BTW, I still believe Mr. JJ can do that...
I think we can blame that little unfortunateness on my ISP...

Except for that first little burp there, the rest of it was as it should be... so, on to the 9th with the lead...

[Frobby]

Toronto has scored 4 runs on ground outs in this game. Have to admit they know how to advance runners without getting hits.

[Peace21]

Time to get the mothballs off Sherrill.

[RShack]

I was kind of hoping we could avoid flat breezy time. Is that wrong of me.:mwahaha:
By guess is we would've seen it anyway... I think DT really, really wants to restore order, and the proper order of things is the SP gives you 7, then it's JJ, then it's Hat Guy...

[cindyluvsbrady]

Hi All:)
Just got home
Awesome throw by My Perfect One:hearts::2yay-thumb::clap:
GO Os!!!

[Peace21]

Hi All:)
Just got home
Awesome throw by My Perfect One:hearts::2yay-thumb::clap:
GO Os!!!

If only he could pitch.:scratchchinhmm:

[Ned from York]

I know this will be unpopular, but the bloom is clearly coming off the Johnson rose. There was a reason he was a pretty mediocre minor leaguer pitcher, albeit in a starting role, and very mediocre major league pitcher, again albeit mostly in a starting role. I think he'll be an above average reliever, but not the lights out 8th or 9th innning we looked like we had, me included.

[cindyluvsbrady]

They were mean to My Perfect One:angryfire::cussing:
Where is Bluberry?

[Pickles]

No need to be facetious, I would have said that about anyone who would not have gone first to third in that situation.

And would you look at that, the Jays are within one run again instead of 2.

Well, if you want a legit answer and aren't just looking to pile on Hernandez, maybe it's because Hernandez is slow as dirt and you NEVER make the third out at third base. That good enough for you?

[RShack]

I know this will be unpopular, but the bloom is clearly coming off the Johnson rose. There was a reason he was a pretty mediocre minor leaguer pitcher, albeit in a starting role, and very mediocre major league pitcher, again albeit mostly in a starting role. I think he'll be an above average reliever, but not the lights out 8th or 9th innning we looked like we had, me included.
Oh, it'll be popular enough... every time we hit a little Rough Patch, folks start talking about how the wheels are coming off...

[Why Not?]

Shawn Camp, perhaps George Mason University's finest major leaguer.

[J.D.]

I know this will be unpopular, but the bloom is clearly coming off the Johnson rose. There was a reason he was a pretty mediocre minor leaguer pitcher, albeit in a starting role, and very mediocre major league pitcher, again albeit mostly in a starting role. I think he'll be an above average reliever, but not the lights out 8th or 9th innning we looked like we had, me included.

Nah. I agree with you there. I've been saying that Johnson's been getting fairly fortunate for a month now. :)

[Peace21]

I know this will be unpopular, but the bloom is clearly coming off the Johnson rose. There was a reason he was a pretty mediocre minor leaguer pitcher, albeit in a starting role, and very mediocre major league pitcher, again albeit mostly in a starting role. I think he'll be an above average reliever, but not the lights out 8th or 9th innning we looked like we had, me included.

Geez it was one inning of relief. Cut the guy some slack.

[J.D.]

Oh, it'll be popular enough... every time we hit a little Rough Patch, folks start talking about how the wheels are coming off...

Well, it's not just that the wheels are coming off. It's just, if you look at his stats, he's been getting pretty fortunate this year. I don't think he's going to implode, but I don't think he's a sub-2.00 ERA pitcher either.

[JTrea81]

Lets go Sherrill!

[Peace21]

Lets go Sherrill!

More like cmon Ramon. Call good pitches.

[PurpleHaze]

I just hope Ramon can keep the ball in front of him and not rocket one into centerfield.:rolleyes:

[nemO821]

Its his rookie year. He was bound to struggle. What Im looking forward to on his next few appearances is if he keeps struggling or becomes dominate again. I thonk that will be a big indicator of how his major league career wil go.

[cindyluvsbrady]

Go Os!!!:):clap3:

[blueberryale77]

They were mean to My Perfect One:angryfire::cussing:
Where is Bluberry?

I'm in Baltimore for once... but here. I'm introducing my mom to the Hangout while we listen on the radio because my parents are too cheap to buy cable! :eek:

Still, even on the radio I can tell that was a terrible call by the umpire! :angryfire: Brian is getting seriously hosed on outside (and sometimes low too) pitches lately. He's going to have to find a way to adjust to a strike zone that stretches at least an extra six inches to the outside because everyone is pitching him off the outside corner knowing that he won't swing or if he does won't hit it well and the umps will consistently call BS strikes against him. :angryfire::angryfire::angryfire:

I wish I hadn't wasted my good pitchfork on Yank fans. :(

[Balmer Bomber]

Toronto has scored 4 runs on ground outs in this game. Have to admit they know how to advance runners without getting hits.

David Eckstein is 0 for 4 with 2 rbis.


Well, if you want a legit answer and aren't just looking to pile on Hernandez, maybe it's because Hernandez is slow as dirt and you NEVER make the third out at third base. That good enough for you?

I know you NEVER make the last out at third, but with 2 down he SHOULD have gotten a good jump off first and the throw from the outfield sailed over the cutoff man's head, so the Jays catcher would have had to turn and fire to third, where Ramon should have been standing.

[RShack]

Dummy swung at a bad pitch... K... 1-down...

But then, oops, a single...

[cindyluvsbrady]

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease!:pray:

[Ozone]

Thank you Scutaro for swinging at ball four.

[JTrea81]

DP ball ends it George...

[Peace21]

Didnt we try to sign Barajas?

[JTrea81]

Oh, boy...

[PurpleHaze]

Mr. Excitement at it again. :rolleyestf:

[cindyluvsbrady]

I'm in Baltimore for once... but here. I'm introducing my mom to the Hangout while we listen on the radio because my parents are too cheap to buy cable! :eek:

Still, even on the radio I can tell that was a terrible call by the umpire! :angryfire: Brian is getting seriously hosed on outside (and sometimes low too) pitches lately. He's going to have to find a way to adjust to a strike zone that stretches at least an extra six inches to the outside because everyone is pitching him off the outside corner knowing that he won't swing or if he does won't hit it well and the umps will consistently call BS strikes against him. :angryfire::angryfire::angryfire:

I wish I hadn't wasted my good pitchfork on Yank fans. :(

I will buy you a NEW pitchfork
Can you come to the Hangout night on July 19?:)

[Sanfran327]

Just got home. Of course this is happening...

[RShack]

Well, damn...runners on the corners, 1-down... so, load the bases for a force everywhere... no room for error...

Which means George has 'em right where he wants them ;-)

[JTrea81]

Do you walk Zaun to set up the DP?

[murrayfan420]

I really can't stand Sherrill I'm sorry. The guy is incapable of having a 1-2-3 inning.

[PurpleHaze]

bad idea! :cussing:

[JTrea81]

I really can't stand Sherrill I'm sorry. The guy is incapable of having a 1-2-3 inning.

He's a little rusty...

[BaltBird 24]

George Sherrill is no longer flat breezy worthy.

[RShack]

Sac fly, tie game, 2-out, runners on 1st and 2nd...

[J.D.]

Well... there's another blown save. Ugh.

[MurphDogg]

Gotta say I am a little depressed about how this has played out...

[PurpleHaze]

nah, this is just another normal Sherrill inning. :laughlol:

[JTrea81]

Well there's a BS, but we can still get out of the inning...

[cindyluvsbrady]

I do not feel well now:(

[Burg]

Sherril has turned into a pumpkin.

[RShack]

Well crap... the Rough Patch continues...

[porterhouse]

Blown save.

[blueberryale77]

Yeah, that's our "All-Star." Francona's an idiot! I hope he burns his whole bullpen and loses the ASG and home field advantage on a Sherril blown save and a Kinsler error. :rolleyestf:

[Marcus]

Trade George

[J.D.]

That entire series was just disgusting.

I'm not even looking to blame anyone for it. It was just disgusting.

[BaltBird 24]

Horrible. Horrible. Horrible.

[PurpleHaze]

If a sweep by the Jays makes AM make some moves, I might be able to stomach this. But I sure ain't going to like it! :angryfire:

[cindyluvsbrady]

cindydoesntluvjays:angryfire::puke:

[JTrea81]

Or not. Well the Jays sweep us. And now we go to Boston.

Goodbye .500 and 4th place. It was nice while it lasted...

[Why Not?]

Cito sucks.

[BaltBird 24]

Trade George

His value is dropping by the day. Can't believe MacPhail would consider holding onto him in hopes of reaching .500.

[cindyluvsbrady]

Horrible. Horrible. Horrible.

Yes it is!!!!!:002_scry:

[Pickles]

Just shoot me in the head. Ahhhh!

[micahl69]

wonderful. for my 100th post was supposed to be about a win.

boy do I wish I could curse on this board. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[PurpleHaze]

Zero reason for AM to stand pat with this team the next three weeks. Changes need to be made. Just can't have the trade chips blow their value as Sherrill was working on tonight. Sad, very sad.

[BaltBird 24]

Or not. Well the Jays sweep us. And now we go to Boston.

Goodbye .500 and 4th place. It was nice while it lasted...

Don't look for anything but a sweep in Boston, either. I can barely stomach watching Burres start, and we know how our offense is against Bucholz.

[blueberryale77]

Trade George

A little late for that. He's more valuable to us in a role he's more suited to (LOOGY/lefty setup man) than he is in a trade at this point.

[CalForOwnership]

Yes WE WON 3 Games agianst the Jays. Wait no we didnt we lost two to bullpen blowups and George blows another one. YIPPIE!!!!!!!! :angryfire::angryfire::angryfire::angryfire:

[Peace21]

Is this rock bottom?

[murrayfan420]

Not only is it annoying watching him blow saves, he's simulataneously destroying his trade value, doubly hurting us.

[JTrea81]

Is this rock bottom?

Nope, wait until the sweep by the Sux in Boston before the break.

[HeatherC12]

Is this rock bottom?

I think so. What a crappy night for the O's. :(

[PurpleHaze]

Is this rock bottom?

Come on now Peace21, you have been a fan longer than that. We are a long ways from the bottom. :rolleyes:

[OsFan462]

Perhaps George should do the rightful thing. Bow out of the all star game..he's not a good closer, and he's not an all star. Send Roberts or Huff as the O's rep. Come on George, you know you don't belong there. Drop out.

[Bez2]

Is this rock bottom?

Nope....but this elevator is really going down fast. :angryfire:

[blueberryale77]

Is this rock bottom?

Nope. Nobody has tested positive for steroids, demanded a trade, or gotten arrested yet.

[Balmer Bomber]

Why didn't Ramon go to third on Mora's hit. The throw went to the plate with no chance of being cut off, and he would have scored on Payton's single. I hope that run doesn't come back to haunt us.

I hate to have to quote myself, but I hope some people will see why I have to. Let's forget this series and move our focus to Boston. With a sweep we can get to the break over .500.

[stef]

A judgement made that can never bend

See these eyes so green
I can stare for a thousand years
Just be still with me
You wouldnt believe what I've been thru
It's been so long
Well its been so long

And I've been putting out the fire with gasoline
Putting out fire
With Gasoline

[Peace21]

Come on now Peace21, you have been a fan longer than that. We are a long ways from the bottom. :rolleyes:

The reason why I asked that is because, even us fans could tell that O's wouldnt win this game unless they scored more runs. Meaning 10-1 kinda score. Even than im not sure we can hold the lead with our BB.

[RShack]

His value is dropping by the day. Can't believe MacPhail would consider holding onto him in hopes of reaching .500.


Changes need to be made. Just can't have the trade chips blow their value as Sherrill was working on tonight. Sad, very sad.
This is silly. Player values don't change based on a couple games.
Why would you think his value is any different now than it was before? Because he had a bad week?
Jeez people, get a grip...

[Why Not?]

Nope. Nobody has tested positive for steroids, demanded a trade, or gotten arrested yet.

Yet.

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[PurpleHaze]

The reason why I asked that is because, even us fans could tell that O's wouldnt win this game unless they scored more runs. Meaning 10-1 kinda score. Even than im not sure we can hold the lead with our BB.

I for one did the one thing I promised I wouldn't do this season - get excited about a solid start. Reality is this team is now playing like the one most "professionals" said would lose 100+ games. I just hope it forces action by the front office. Don't stop the rebuilding halfway.

[WEAVERMAN]

So what is the chance we'll win another game before the break?

[RShack]

Is this rock bottom?
This is a 5-game losing streak.
It's the 3rd one we've had this season.
The other two were in May. People were wetting their pants then too ;-)

[PurpleHaze]

So what is the chance we'll win another game before the break?

My guess would be less than 10%.

[Bez2]

So what is the chance we'll win another game before the break?

0.0 :laughlol:

Actually I see us winning at least 1 in Beantown.

[clapdiddy]

Yep...to get swept by this team without facing Halladay is bad. I still can't believe we gave up 22 runs to that pathetic offense.

[TonySoprano]

Yeah, that's our "All-Star." Francona's an idiot! I hope he burns his whole bullpen and loses the ASG and home field advantage on a Sherril blown save and a Kinsler error. :rolleyestf:
Francona didn't pick Kinsler. He was picked by the other players. Francona added Guillen (Detroit), Sherrill (O's), Duchscherer (A's), Soria (Royals), all of whom were the only reps for their team. His other two were Navarro (Rays) and Nathan (Twins).

[jwebst1]

I hate to have to quote myself, but I hope some people will see why I have to. Let's forget this series and move our focus to Boston. With a sweep we can get to the break over .500.

In my best Jim Mora voice...

Sweep?????? SWEEP???????????????????????

We'll be lucky to get a game.

This season ended with the Albers injury and George's walk-off in DC. It's been all downhill since. It was fun while it lasted, but now it's back to the last 10 years. :mad:

[blueberryale77]

Francona didn't pick Kinsler. He was picked by the other players. Francona added Guillen (Detroit), Sherrill (O's), Duchscherer (A's), Soria (Royals), all of whom were the only reps for their team. His other two were Navarro (Rays) and Nathan (Twins).

Wow, I guess I didn't read carefully enough. Sherrill over both Nathan and Soria was a pretty big blunder by the players. They did a pretty terrible job of voting all the way around this year. (*Varitek*)