D.C Shouldnt never got a 3rd chance for a baseball franchise

[steveox]

NATS Fans got a new stadium AND THEY CANT FILL UP THE SEATS!! I knew baseball shouldnt gone back to D.C. When OPCY first opened O's FANS SOLD OUT ALL GAMES!!! I think the Commisoner should RESIGN!!! And Make the NATS move to Charlotte. The only way D.C should have a team is the AAA New York Yankees team. Name them Washington Senators class AAA of the New York Yankees. So the only sellout they get is when the Yankees come to town play an exbition game. If D.C Can get another team that simple then BALTIMORE Should get a 2nd chance for an NBA Franchise!! FAIR IS FAIR!!! MOVE THE L.A CLIPPERS TO BALTIMORE

[Pushmonkey]

I want what your on.

[steveox]

Since when NATS soldout every game like the O's did back in 1992-1994

[Big Mac]

Since when NATS soldout every game like the O's did back in 1992-1994

Dude, work on some grammar. Most of the time your sentences make no sense.;)

Try reading the board rules.;)

[BaltimoreTerp]

http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/announcement.php?f=20


3. Proper capitalization and punctuation will be used on all posts. We understand a typo, but constant abuse of this rule could result in banning.

Your point is correct, though.

[steveox]

Then you correct them..Im not good a grammar n stuff..This is what happens when you get old.

[Pushmonkey]

Then you correct them..Im not good a grammar n stuff..This is what happens when you get old.

I'm not sure if that is a wise thing to say. This board does have a sort of code of conduct. Grammar being one of them.

[steveox]

I asked tony to change that rule.That rule is unfair. I cant even explan it though.

[steveox]

http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/announcement.php?f=20



Your point is correct, though.

Thats all should matter right? as long i get my point across.

[BaltimoreTerp]

I asked tony to change that rule.

:rofl:

Good one.

Now, are you ready to change when he says "no", as he will?

[Big Mac]

Thats all should matter right? as long i get my point across.

You can't get your point across if nobody can tell what the heck you're saying because your sentences make no sense.

Just follow the rules, everybody else does, why shouldn't you have to?

[steveox]

Well i have a good excuse.Im Handicapped. Read the ADA. American Disablities Assn.

[getxstoked]

Uh, I'm in favor of the Nats being in DC, I like having an NL team close enough that I can make a last-minute decision to attend a game, and not have to drive the 3 or 4 hours to Pittsburgh or Philly.

And they give me something to watch on O's off days on MASN, or when they're at home, and the O's are out west...

[Pushmonkey]

Well i have a good excuse.Im Handicapped. Read the ADA. American Disablities Assn.

I'm missing both my middle fingers, have two toes on my left foot, and a prosthetic on my right leg. Your point being what?

[steveox]

I suffered a Brain injury in a car accident 10 years ago. I got better though but theres nothing i can do about it. I lost some of my ability and im totaly deaf because of the injury i had. I suggest you read up on this great Brooklyn Dodger catcher Roy Campanella what happened to him when he had a bad accident. And now the samething might had happen to Morgan Freeman today.But i hope hes all right though.

[Mark Carver]

Well i have a good excuse.Im Handicapped. Read the ADA. American Disablities Assn.

And this has what to do with a private forum on the internet? Just like the 'Freedom of Speech' argument doesn't apply here, so does the ADA.

[steveox]

Can we get back to topic please? I dont wannt discuss this futher. :pray:

[ChaosLex]

There's a rather, uh... controversial poster by the name of steveox who posts on the ESPN boards for the Baltimore Orioles and Baltimore Ravens. Coincidence? :scratchchinhmm:

[Big Mac]

There's a rather, uh... controversial poster by the name of steveox who posts on the ESPN boards for the Baltimore Orioles and Baltimore Ravens. Coincidence? :scratchchinhmm:

Nope, they have a poll going on over at the ESPN boards about how long it will take him to get banned here.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Maybe I'm reading wrong, but from his profile it definitely looks like he got banned over there. Which is a hell of an achievement.

[The Wedge]

You've made a lot of threads lately. Especially for someone who signed up almost 2 years ago.

And I also fail to see how any disability as you describe it can cause you to have bad typing grammar, especially as you know it. Knowing you aren't doing it right means you can fix it. Couple that with some other info brought to light...

[The Wedge]

And for the record, no, no they shouldn't have had gotten a third chance. I, and many people, had said for years that there was reasons why the other teams didn't stick in DC, and despite the protestations to the contrary, nothing has changed.

[ChaosLex]

Maybe I'm reading wrong, but from his profile it definitely looks like he got banned over there. Which is a hell of an achievement.

It also looks like he wants Trembley canned and replaced by John Gibbons. :confused:

[Pushmonkey]

It also looks like he wants Trembley canned and replaced by John Gibbons. :confused:

Well it could have been Jay Gibbons.

[steveox]

O's need a tough manager like Weaver was. Weaver was a disaplined manager. We sure dont need another Joe Altobelli.

And where you get the idea i was banned? I didnt get banned i quit there!

[Malike]

Can we get back to topic please? I dont wannt discuss this futher. :pray:

Your grammar isnt unreadable, you are witnessing people on the internet complaining just to complain. I have a novel idea for everyone. How about let the mods worry about addressing grammar instead of pointing out the rules everytime someone uses some improperly. I can't believe the self righteousness, seriously. If you want to become mods, talk to Tony, and until you are mods, let them enforce the rules. They do get paid for that.

To the topic, I agree with the initial post, the Nats will be looking for a new city within 5 years I suspect.

[birdystolle]

I hope my grammar is okay. I didn't favor putting a team in DC either but lets be fair about the attendance. The attraction of new stadiums wore off after about the third or fourth one was built. The Nats stadium is what about the 20th built since OPACY

[Flip217]

MOVE THE L.A CLIPPERS TO BALTIMORE

Steve, why do you hate Baltimore so much? :p

[Flip217]

Hey, wait a minute -- is this you (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=steveox) Steveox?

Like an underground celebrity!

[scOtt]

Hey, wait a minute -- is this you (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=steveox) Steveox?

Like an underground celebrity!
Wow! Good find.


Or get a life.


:p

[Skywalker76]

Hey, wait a minute -- is this you (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=steveox) Steveox?

Like an underground celebrity!

Oh my god. Is this really Steveox? Finally I have met him in person and I am even part of one of his threads :rofl:

[Pushmonkey]

Oh my god. Is this really Steveox? Finally I have met him in person and I am even part of one of his threads :rofl:

SG Vs. Steve who can start the most threads in one day?....

Pro basketball in Baltimore...eh.

I think I was watching the "Real Estate Pro's" on TLC the other day and some real estate big wig was talking about wanting a team in the Carolina's. My wife was watching so not sure of what that was all about.

[Flip217]

Wow! Good find.


Or get a life.


:p

Little from column A, a little from column B, I'm afraid...also a lil' old fashioned insomnia last night.....

[J.D.]

I suffered a Brain injury in a car accident 10 years ago. I got better though but theres nothing i can do about it. I lost some of my ability and im totaly deaf because of the injury i had. I suggest you read up on this great Brooklyn Dodger catcher Roy Campanella what happened to him when he had a bad accident. And now the samething might had happen to Morgan Freeman today.But i hope hes all right though.

Didn't you just post in another thread about how you got tossed from a high-school baseball game for spiking your helmet? Uh. Yeah.


O's need a tough manager like Weaver was. Weaver was a disaplined manager. We sure dont need another Joe Altobelli.

And where you get the idea i was banned? I didnt get banned i quit there!

Yeah, cause what the heck did Joe Altobelli ever do for us? It's not like we ever won a World Series, or even made the playoffs with him!

Message boards usually have something very public about a user being banned. Generally in a user title or something like that. I'm guessing that's how they gathered the idea that you were banned.

[DrungoHazewood]

My guess is that there's over a 90% chance the Nats will still be playing in DC in 2020.

How many teams have moved in my lifetime (37 years)? One. How many teams have ever moved within a few years of being provided a new mallpark at taxpayer expense? Zero. How high would Bud Selig's embarrassment level be if the team he allowed to move to the city he hand-picked for them to move to failed and had to move again? Excessively high. How many cities would come out in droves to see the worst team in baseball? Almost none.

The Nats aren't going anywhere, and when they start winning (be it three years, five years, or 20 years from now) DC's demographics mean they'll turn a tidy profit even if they don't draw three or four million fans.

[GeorgiaBird]

My guess is that there's over a 90% chance the Nats will still be playing in DC in 2020.

How many teams have moved in my lifetime (37 years)? One. How many teams have ever moved within a few years of being provided a new mallpark at taxpayer expense? Zero. How high would Bud Selig's embarrassment level be if the team he allowed to move to the city he hand-picked for them to move to failed and had to move again? Excessively high. How many cities would come out in droves to see the worst team in baseball? Almost none.

The Nats aren't going anywhere, and when they start winning (be it three years, five years, or 20 years from now) DC's demographics mean they'll turn a tidy profit even if they don't draw three or four million fans.

Well said. As I said in last week's "The Nat's are going under" thread, if MLB was scared enough of threats from Florida politicians to put a team in Tampa, how likely are they to break a long-term lease in the nation's capital?

[furryburres]

Oh my god. Is this really Steveox? Finally I have met him in person and I am even part of one of his threads :rofl:

Oh my god he's famous!

OK Izzy, calm down, calm down...

OKAY, I'm good.

[ChaosLex]

Hey, wait a minute -- is this you (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=steveox) Steveox?

Like an underground celebrity!

THIS is the greatest post of all-time.

[Pedro Cerrano]

O's need a tough manager like Weaver was. Weaver was a disaplined manager. We sure dont need another Joe Altobelli.

And where you get the idea i was banned? I didnt get banned i quit there!

I wish I knew how to quit you!

<img src="http://www.virginmedia.com/images/1heath-brokeback-mountain.jpg"></img>

[Bosibus]

I do not think the Nats are going anywhere soon. How do you build the brand new ballpark and practically create another district to be built AROUND the ballpark and then get rid of the team altogether? It won't happen, there is too much money invested.

I also think that once the industry around Nats Stadium is complete, they will attract more fans.

[hammer310]

Hey, wait a minute -- is this you (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=steveox) Steveox?

Like an underground celebrity!

Wholy Crap that is weird. I dont know how you found that, but it fits the mold pretty well.

[BaltimoreTerp]

My guess is that there's over a 90% chance the Nats will still be playing in DC in 2020.

How many teams have moved in my lifetime (37 years)? One. How many teams have ever moved within a few years of being provided a new mallpark at taxpayer expense? Zero. How high would Bud Selig's embarrassment level be if the team he allowed to move to the city he hand-picked for them to move to failed and had to move again? Excessively high. How many cities would come out in droves to see the worst team in baseball? Almost none.

The Nats aren't going anywhere, and when they start winning (be it three years, five years, or 20 years from now) DC's demographics mean they'll turn a tidy profit even if they don't draw three or four million fans.

Bud isn't going to be around forever, and hopefully (not likely, but I can dream) the next commissioner will have enough of a pair to do the right things for the entire sport. A failing team in a previously-twice-failed market can't be good for anyone.

[steveox]

SG Vs. Steve who can start the most threads in one day?....

Pro basketball in Baltimore...eh.

I think I was watching the "Real Estate Pro's" on TLC the other day and some real estate big wig was talking about wanting a team in the Carolina's. My wife was watching so not sure of what that was all about.

Yeah, Pro Basketball in Baltimore. I missed these good old days
http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/image/1973/04/04/017025478.jpg

[MChance]

The Expos should be in Las Vegas right now. :clap3:

[steveox]

The Expos should be in Las Vegas right now. :clap3:

I agree. The D.C NATS should be in Charlotte NC.

[The Wedge]

I agree. The D.C NATS should be in Charlotte NC.

That's not agreeing. Not completely anyway.

[steveox]

That's not agreeing. Not completely anyway.

Charlotte NC should get a chance at a MLB team. D.C had 2 chances. They look like theyre not supportive this time around.

[TonySoprano]

From time to time, this bit of revisionist history rears it's head, and it becomes necessary to set the record straight. :drungo:

DC, specifically the fans that supported the team, did not lose baseball in 1961. The team move was due to a racist owner who ran from the demographics of the area.
Speaking at a 1978 Lions Club function in Minnesota, Griffith revealed his reason for moving the team out of Washington: "I'll tell you why we came to Minnesota," he explained. "It was when we found out you only had 15,000 blacks here. Black people don't go to ballgames, but they'll fill up a rassling ring and put up such a chant it'll scare you to death. We came here because you've got good, hardworking white people here."Source - ESPN (http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=keri/owners/070924)

The second move was also the result of an idiot owner, Bob Short, the self-appointed GM of the team, Short first made a name for himself by buying the Minneapolis Lakers and then moving them in only a couple of years to L.A. He pulled the same stunt with the Senators. History likely would have been different had Bob Hope, instead of Short, had acquired the team. Short sold the Rangers two years after he moved them.

The theory that any decision on the merits of D.C. baseball should be based on the events of 37 and 47 years ago is unsupportable by any logical argument. Baltimore lost the Colts, twice. Should they not have the Ravens now?

[Pushmonkey]

Vegas....Charlotte

Nevada..North Carolina

Desert...MidAtlantic



Oh I got it!!!!! both have types of sand in their state..so yes, they are the same.

[MChance]

I agree. The D.C NATS should be in Charlotte NC.

No. If you agree with me, the DC Expos would be in Las Vegas. Try to keep up.

[steveox]

No. If you agree with me, the DC Expos would be in Las Vegas. Try to keep up.

No i dont agree they should be in vegas.Cause its a gambling city but Charlotte NC should have a chance.

[Mad Mark]

No i dont agree they should be in vegas.Cause its a gambling city but Charlotte NC should have a chance.

Based on what...their inability to keep a basketball team??? What did I tell you about the helmets?

[BaltimoreTerp]

From time to time, this bit of revisionist history rears it's head, and it becomes necessary to set the record straight. :drungo:

DC, specifically the fans that supported the team, did not lose baseball in 1961. The team move was due to a racist owner who ran from the demographics of the area.Source - ESPN (http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=keri/owners/070924)

The second move was also the result of an idiot owner, Bob Short, the self-appointed GM of the team, Short first made a name for himself by buying the Minneapolis Lakers and then moving them in only a couple of years to L.A. He pulled the same stunt with the Senators. History likely would have been different had Bob Hope, instead of Short, had acquired the team. Short sold the Rangers two years after he moved them.

The theory that any decision on the merits of D.C. baseball should be based on the events of 37 and 47 years ago is unsupportable by any logical argument. Baltimore lost the Colts, twice. Should they not have the Ravens now?

Football in the early fifties was comparable to MLB in the 1890s and early 1900s. So the Colts shutting down (they didn't leave) would have been equivalent to all of the franchise moves and start-up/shut-downs in baseball in those early days.

So, just like Baltimore and Washington and Cleveland and other cities lost and regained teams as different things changed, as did Baltimore and Dallas and Miami and Kansas City and other places that had teams in those early days that failed to establish themselves.

Between that, and the differences between the sports as a whole, your better question should be, "Baltimore lost the Orioles twice within four years, while Washington kept the Senators for 60 more. Should they not have the modern Orioles now?"

[Pushmonkey]

No i dont agree they should be in vegas.Cause its a gambling city but Charlotte NC should have a chance.

What happens when there is slots at Pemlico? should the O's move?

[Why Not?]

From time to time, this bit of revisionist history rears it's head, and it becomes necessary to set the record straight. :drungo:

DC, specifically the fans that supported the team, did not lose baseball in 1961. The team move was due to a racist owner who ran from the demographics of the area.Source - ESPN (http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=keri/owners/070924)

The second move was also the result of an idiot owner, Bob Short, the self-appointed GM of the team, Short first made a name for himself by buying the Minneapolis Lakers and then moving them in only a couple of years to L.A. He pulled the same stunt with the Senators. History likely would have been different had Bob Hope, instead of Short, had acquired the team. Short sold the Rangers two years after he moved them.

The theory that any decision on the merits of D.C. baseball should be based on the events of 37 and 47 years ago is unsupportable by any logical argument. Baltimore lost the Colts, twice. Should they not have the Ravens now?


The Senators(es) moved because they never could draw fans. I know all about the crappy ownership and the circumstances around those owners moving the teams, but in the end, the city never....NEVER....supported baseball and that's the reason the teams moved.

[eb45]

As someone responsible for the banishment of our new friend steveox from a couple of forums, hopefully it's only a matter of time before his time comes here as well. And the sooner the better. And that's all I'm going to say publicly.

[steveox]

From time to time, this bit of revisionist history rears it's head, and it becomes necessary to set the record straight. :drungo:

DC, specifically the fans that supported the team, did not lose baseball in 1961. The team move was due to a racist owner who ran from the demographics of the area.Source - ESPN (http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=keri/owners/070924)

The second move was also the result of an idiot owner, Bob Short, the self-appointed GM of the team, Short first made a name for himself by buying the Minneapolis Lakers and then moving them in only a couple of years to L.A. He pulled the same stunt with the Senators. History likely would have been different had Bob Hope, instead of Short, had acquired the team. Short sold the Rangers two years after he moved them.

The theory that any decision on the merits of D.C. baseball should be based on the events of 37 and 47 years ago is unsupportable by any logical argument. Baltimore lost the Colts, twice. Should they not have the Ravens now?

Tony,Care to explan to me why the Baltimore Colts went to INDY in 1984? And why didnt the NFL Grant Baltimore an expansion franchise? I Know why it was a combo of Jack Kent Cooke and Commisoner Paul Taglubue them two didnt want Baltimore back into the NFL. They felt Baltimore had their chance and they blew it by the fans not supporting the Colts.

[Saintbird]

I asked tony to change that rule.That rule is unfair. I cant even explan it though.

I got an infraction about that, but even I wouldn't agree with you about doing that. I've learned my lesson, you should be able to do the same thing.:rolleyestf:

[GeorgiaBird]

Somehow, strangely, this seems relevant. Biz of Baseball's report on top relocation candidates...
http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2387&Itemid=42

Charlotte is #3, Norfolk is #10.

[TonySoprano]

The Senators(es) moved because they never could draw fans. I know all about the crappy ownership and the circumstances around those owners moving the teams, but in the end, the city never....NEVER....supported baseball and that's the reason the teams moved.Never is a strong word. In 1969, the Senators were 6th in the league in attendance (Baltimore ranked 5th). It is true that they were near the bottom of the league during much of the 1960s.

Explain to me how Oakland has kept baseball as long as it has. With the exception of 2001-2005 (when they were 6th - 8th), the Athletics , from 1993 - present, have ranked 11th or lower in attendance.

Here is the Orioles' rank (out of 14) for the last 15 years of Memorial Stadium: 10-10-6-6-7-8-5-5-6-6-9-10-4-5-5. They move to a new ballpark and in the first year attendance jumps by over 1 million fans. Why was there such a huge change in support? Did Baltimore suddenly become a baseball town in 1992? Or were the fans there all along, they just needed a new reason to go to the ballpark?

[Why Not?]

Never is a strong word. In 1969, the Senators were 6th in the league in attendance (Baltimore ranked 5th). It is true that they were near the bottom of the league during much of the 1960s.

Explain to me how Oakland has kept baseball as long as it has. With the exception of 2001-2005 (when they were 6th - 8th), the Athletics , from 1993 - present, have ranked 11th or lower in attendance.

Here is the Orioles' rank (out of 14) for the last 15 years of Memorial Stadium: 10-10-6-6-7-8-5-5-6-6-9-10-4-5-5. They move to a new ballpark and in the first year attendance jumps by over 1 million fans. Why was there such a huge change in support? Did Baltimore suddenly become a baseball town in 1992? Or were the fans there all along, they just needed a new reason to go to the ballpark?

Oakland hasn't supported its club either and they've been on the verge of moving out of there several times. Rightly so. The key difference is that MLB has discouraged franchise movement since around the time when the A's moved to Oakland. They REALLY didn't want the A's to move to a fourth city in about 35 years.

Baltimore's attendance wasn't tremendous, but DC's numbers were just dreadful. Not just through the 1960s, but for most of the century. Only the Browns kept DC from having the lowest numbers in the AL for more than half of the franchise's existence.

Considering the team's fortunes, I think Balmer's attendance is commendable.

[DrungoHazewood]

The Senators(es) moved because they never could draw fans. I know all about the crappy ownership and the circumstances around those owners moving the teams, but in the end, the city never....NEVER....supported baseball and that's the reason the teams moved.

Things are never quite that simple. The Senators never were great draws, but when they were pretty good they drew better. For much of the 1920s and 30s the Senators were average in attendance, matching their on-field performances well. In 1925 they were only 500 fans/game away from leading the league, out-drawing Ruth and Gehrig's Yankees. In 1933 they won the AL and were 2nd in the league in attendance. From WWII until they moved they drew poorly most years, but this was a team that had a losing record almost every year, and an owner that was openly racist in a city with a large minority population. And by the 1960s they were playing in a horribly outdated stadium that had originally opened in 1903.

I think Washington was comparable to cities of similar size. In the first half of the 20th century Washington was close in population to Cincinnati. The Reds, like the Senators, drew poorly when they didn't win, better when they did.

In any case, how the Senators drew in 1920 or 1950 has little to do with how they'll support a good team today.


Baltimore's attendance wasn't tremendous, but DC's numbers were just dreadful. Not just through the 1960s, but for most of the century. Only the Browns kept DC from having the lowest numbers in the AL for more than half of the franchise's existence.

That's an exaggeration. As I said above, there were years where the Senators fielded good teams where they outdrew the Yankees.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Never is a strong word. In 1969, the Senators were 6th in the league in attendance (Baltimore ranked 5th). It is true that they were near the bottom of the league during much of the 1960s.

Explain to me how Oakland has kept baseball as long as it has. With the exception of 2001-2005 (when they were 6th - 8th), the Athletics , from 1993 - present, have ranked 11th or lower in attendance.

Both Oakland and San Francisco have been close to moving several times in the past thirty years, whether to nearby Bay Area cities like San Jose for the Giants or lately Fremont for the A's, or in at least the Giants' case to St. Petersburg in the early 90s before McGowan bought the team.

And that is a region that is continually compared to Baltimore/Washington when it comes to the viability of multiple franchises.


Here is the Orioles' rank (out of 14) for the last 15 years of Memorial Stadium: 10-10-6-6-7-8-5-5-6-6-9-10-4-5-5. They move to a new ballpark and in the first year attendance jumps by over 1 million fans. Why was there such a huge change in support? Did Baltimore suddenly become a baseball town in 1992? Or were the fans there all along, they just needed a new reason to go to the ballpark?

By the number of people who apparently spent every night going to Memorial Stadium, we had to lead the league in attendance, so those numbers are CLEARLY wrong...:laughlol: