View Full Version : Aug 10th v. The Rangers - SUNDAY SWEEP!
scOtt
08-10-2008, 01:39 PM
Brian Roberts - 2B
Nick Markakis - RF
Melvin Mora - 3B
Aubrey Huff - DH
Kevin Millar - 1B
Jay Payton - CF
Lou Montanez - LF
Alex Cintron - SS
Guillermo Quiroz - C
Chris Waters - P
Kinsler - 2B
Young - SS
Hamilton - RF
Bradley - DH
Byrd - CF
Laird - C
Davis - 1B
Metcalf - 3B
Ellison - LF
Harrison - P
In all my years here, my first game thread.. :p
Waters #29. Good number! Much better than 87...
JTrea81
08-10-2008, 01:39 PM
Waters in trouble early, leadoff single by Kinsler and he walks Young. 2 on nobody out...
JTrea81
08-10-2008, 01:40 PM
Wow Waters is very wild today. Not good...
scOtt
08-10-2008, 01:40 PM
I was afariad of this. I didn't see Waters first start, but I was afraid he'd blow up...
JTrea81
08-10-2008, 01:41 PM
I was afariad of this. I didn't see Waters first start, but I was afraid he'd blow up...
Yeah I think people can stop thinking about him being anything more than he is...
scOtt
08-10-2008, 01:42 PM
Waters needs to shake it off. He probably put a lot of pressure on himself to back up the other start. He just needs to get back to what got him here.
dslats715
08-10-2008, 01:43 PM
Yeah I think people can stop thinking about him being anything more than he is...
Because of this first?
Kinsler did not hit a single. Cintron made an error (no matter what it was scored).
itsernst
08-10-2008, 01:43 PM
Well...I didn't expect him to repeat that performance. Also, Cintron should have made that first out.
scOtt
08-10-2008, 01:43 PM
Nice K there. Good yakker.
WEAVERMAN
08-10-2008, 01:43 PM
I was afariad of this. I didn't see Waters first start, but I was afraid he'd blow up...
He needs to forget the first three batters and pray the ball is not hit to the horrible Cintron.
Palmer is nuts sometimes. He made it sound like the wild pitch should have been an easy block for Quiroz. He also said it was a "little" outside and didn't hit the dirt. He's nuts!
Ozone
08-10-2008, 01:43 PM
Cintron didn't help him much, but it is a sunny day.
Crazysilver03
08-10-2008, 01:43 PM
Waters needs to shake it off. He probably put a lot of pressure on himself to back up the other start. He just needs to get back to what got him here.
I feel that Waters will shake it off and have a decent game.
JTrea81
08-10-2008, 01:43 PM
Because of this first?
Kinsler did not hit a single. Cintron made an error (no matter what it was scored).
How about the HR to Hamilton, the WP and the fact he couldn't find the plate...
dslats715
08-10-2008, 01:46 PM
How about the HR to Hamilton, the WP and the fact he couldn't find the plate...
Good defense changes the whole inning.
WEAVERMAN
08-10-2008, 01:47 PM
The Jones injury really hurts, especially because Payton has to play every day and he probably won't be here next season.
mikezpen
08-10-2008, 01:47 PM
Is anybody really surprised about Waters' start? Everything evens out in baseball.
scOtt
08-10-2008, 01:48 PM
That was a good pitch, despite the bloop single.
MCL1021
08-10-2008, 01:49 PM
And the love fest for Chris Waters ends in 3....2.....1.....
ledzepp8
08-10-2008, 01:49 PM
Palmer is nuts sometimes. He made it sound like the wild pitch should have been an easy block for Quiroz. He also said it was a "little" outside and didn't hit the dirt. He's nuts!
Yeah I agree that he was a little nutty there. He's right that it should have been caught, but he kind of makes it seem like Waters threw it right down the middle and Quiroz missed it.
JTrea81
08-10-2008, 01:50 PM
Is anybody really surprised about Waters' start? Everything evens out in baseball.
Nah he's the second coming of Travis Driskill...
The Rangers got the chance to study video. So I don't expect much from this guy any more.
Crazysilver03
08-10-2008, 01:51 PM
His curve and slider are pretty nice.
scOtt
08-10-2008, 01:52 PM
He has a nice curve today. Something to work with.
MCL1021
08-10-2008, 01:53 PM
Could he be valuable at all in the bullpen down the road?
WEAVERMAN
08-10-2008, 01:53 PM
Nah he's the second coming of Travis Driskill...
The Rangers got the chance to study video. So I don't expect much from this guy any more.
Let's get him a few starts before we bury him.
ledzepp8
08-10-2008, 01:54 PM
Some of you are just being ridiculous. Waters probably will never be much in the majors and he very well could be showing his true colors, but while he didn't pitch particularly well that first inning, he was betrayed somewhat by his defense (Cintron, Quiroz). He gave up 4 runs...what if he pitches the next 6 innings scoreless? Will that mean that "Waters Love Fest" can continue?:rolleyes:
scOtt
08-10-2008, 01:55 PM
Brian should have tagged there.
JimDH
08-10-2008, 01:55 PM
Curveball looks just as funky as it was the other day.
I guess he isnt going to throw 1 hitters every time out. But still in a 4 run inning he looks like ML pitcher to me. Not that I know anything.
Terrible baserunning by Roberts. He should have tagged up on Nick's flyball.
And neither Palmer or Hunter make any comment!
scOtt
08-10-2008, 01:57 PM
HA ha! Thank you very much!
MCL1021
08-10-2008, 01:58 PM
Terrible baserunning by Roberts. He should have tagged up on Nick's flyball.
And neither Palmer or Hunter make any comment!
I think he assummed it was going to be over the CF's head. Nonetheless, it was terrible baserunning by someone that usually doesn't do that.
WEAVERMAN
08-10-2008, 01:59 PM
C'mon Mora, we need to score Roberts and let them know we're in it.
scOtt
08-10-2008, 01:59 PM
I think he assummed it was going to be over the CF's head. Nonetheless, it was terrible baserunning by someone that usually doesn't do that.
Yeah, cuz even if it gets over the CFer's head, he walks home.
ledzepp8
08-10-2008, 01:59 PM
Melvin Mora es muy en fuego.
scOtt
08-10-2008, 01:59 PM
Mora is on fire!
PrivateO
08-10-2008, 02:00 PM
Yeah baby 4-2. Time for a comeback.
Looks to be a high-scoring game.
WEAVERMAN
08-10-2008, 02:00 PM
Nice job, Mora
scOtt
08-10-2008, 02:01 PM
Waters needs to take this half inning to heart. We can score some runs too.
scOtt
08-10-2008, 02:07 PM
That wasn't a terrible pitch... he went with it and got it barely fair.
WEAVERMAN
08-10-2008, 02:09 PM
Wow, we've had nine chances to sweep and we've only done it once (vs Houston). Of course, if you can't win on Sunday......If the Orioles fix the starting pitching, the sweeps will come. Don't lose Bradley, Waters.
scOtt
08-10-2008, 02:10 PM
Pitching careful to Byrd. Needs to get out of this, right here, right now.
scOtt
08-10-2008, 02:11 PM
Yikes! Jay "Handles" that one...
WEAVERMAN
08-10-2008, 02:11 PM
Payton has trouble with the sun also, but he made the play.
ledzepp8
08-10-2008, 02:14 PM
4-3 now off a Montanez RBI single.
scOtt
08-10-2008, 02:15 PM
Never. Give. Up! RBI for Monty.
brvn52
08-10-2008, 02:15 PM
Montanez for MVP!! :D;)
WEAVERMAN
08-10-2008, 02:17 PM
Nice job, Lou
WEAVERMAN
08-10-2008, 02:19 PM
Take a BB, Brian, it's Nicky time.
scOtt
08-10-2008, 02:19 PM
Montanez with an even better number! (3)
mikezpen
08-10-2008, 02:19 PM
Are you watching, Trembley?
JTrea81
08-10-2008, 02:19 PM
Ok Nick let's get the lead back...
scOtt
08-10-2008, 02:20 PM
2-0 to Nick. Jack one.
WEAVERMAN
08-10-2008, 02:20 PM
3-0 on Nick, be patient Nick.
WEAVERMAN
08-10-2008, 02:22 PM
If we hold here, we'll win it, c'mon Chris Waters.
WEAVERMAN
08-10-2008, 02:24 PM
Throw strikes Chris, you can do it.
scOtt
08-10-2008, 02:25 PM
If we hold here, we'll win it, c'mon Chris Waters.
Exactly. Waters needs to relax (which it looks like he is doing...)
brvn52
08-10-2008, 02:25 PM
If we hold here, we'll win it, c'mon Chris Waters.
It'd be real nice if we could get a 6 IP, 4 ER line out of Waters.
mikezpen
08-10-2008, 02:26 PM
We'll win it if we get a 6 innings, 6-run line from Waters because we're going to outscore them.
JimDH
08-10-2008, 02:26 PM
Seems to have guts going to that changeup so much.
scOtt
08-10-2008, 02:27 PM
OK... Lou for MVP! :p
brvn52
08-10-2008, 02:27 PM
Haha that was great. The rook looked real smooth there. This sun is eating Payton up.
tanner88
08-10-2008, 02:27 PM
That could have been embarassing......
scOtt
08-10-2008, 02:29 PM
Strike three grab some pine!
scOtt
08-10-2008, 02:33 PM
That shows how on Melvin is. He'll gladly take a walk if he can get it. Even flashed the bunt earlier just to keep Texas honest.
brvn52
08-10-2008, 02:35 PM
Huff Daddy!!
Crazysilver03
08-10-2008, 02:35 PM
Wow. Our offense is amazing.
ledzepp8
08-10-2008, 02:35 PM
5-4 on Huff Daddy's blast.
Man and I thought we were doomed after the first inning.:rolleyes:;)
tanner88
08-10-2008, 02:35 PM
Huff daddy! 5-4.
JTrea81
08-10-2008, 02:35 PM
I totally called that one! :clap3:
That gets Huff's OPS for August back over .900...
Mr. Huff is a fine American
scOtt
08-10-2008, 02:35 PM
EVERYONE is en fuego! Huff makes it 5-4.
Pushmonkey
08-10-2008, 02:36 PM
Why right now...with how Huff and Mora are hitting would anyone want to bench them with the key point being "right now".
brvn52
08-10-2008, 02:38 PM
Payton's only a triple and HR away from the cycle. :eek::D:p:rolleyestf:
mikezpen
08-10-2008, 02:38 PM
Sitting Huff/Mora one game in four or five to give a young prospect (who might be very good in his own right) a chance isn't "benching" them.
JTrea81
08-10-2008, 02:40 PM
Payton now has a ridiculous split vs. LHP of .960. Some team has to want him to hit LHP...
Pushmonkey
08-10-2008, 02:40 PM
Sitting Huff/Mora one game in four or five to give a young prospect (who might be very good in his own right) a chance isn't "benching" them.
That makes sense...I agree but with Huff on an 18 game hitting streak...I would say ride his hot bat.
El Gordo
08-10-2008, 02:42 PM
Sitting Huff/Mora one game in four or five to give a young prospect (who might be very good in his own right) a chance isn't "benching" them.You don't sit guys when they are hot.
scOtt
08-10-2008, 02:42 PM
Sitting Huff/Mora one game in four or five to give a young prospect (who might be very good in his own right) a chance isn't "benching" them.
I see your point Mike, and agree... except you can't sit either much when they're both so locked in. Whether we're in it or not, rebuilding or not, you have to put your best lineup out there.
scOtt
08-10-2008, 02:44 PM
Who caught Waters Tuesday? Ramon?
Mike B
08-10-2008, 02:45 PM
Sitting Huff/Mora one game in four or five to give a young prospect (who might be very good in his own right) a chance isn't "benching" them.
Mora seems to be refreshed when getting a day off. Maybe once a week. Huff as a DH needs rest less, plus he is younger. I would sit Millar twice a week, Mora one a week, Payton once a week and Scott once a week and that give Montanez more than his fair share of time. IMO Huff protects the top part of the lineup so I would not take him out much.
JimDH
08-10-2008, 02:45 PM
I see your point Mike, and agree... except you can't sit either much when they're both so locked in. Whether we're in it or not, rebuilding or not, you have to put your best lineup out there.
Millar should get more time off
scOtt
08-10-2008, 02:45 PM
Mora seems to be refreshed when getting a day off. Maybe once a week. Huff as a DH needs rest less, plus he is younger. I would sit Millar twice a week, Mora one a week, Payton once a week and Scott once a week and that give Montanez more than his fair share of time. IMO Huff protects the top part of the lineup so I would not take him out much.
Sounds like a plan.
Mike B
08-10-2008, 02:46 PM
Who caught Waters Tuesday? Ramon?
Yeah, I think. It is not the catcher. He is not fine today. Another shot. Time for the hook.
scOtt
08-10-2008, 02:46 PM
Mistake by Waters.
scOtt
08-10-2008, 02:47 PM
Yeah, I think. It is not the catcher. He is not fine today. Another shot. Time for the hook.
Early on yet, I think Waters is still THE guy we want pitching now.
scOtt
08-10-2008, 02:48 PM
Run Him! Run Him!
mikezpen
08-10-2008, 02:49 PM
Bring in Bierd.Waters is cannon fodder.
JTrea81
08-10-2008, 02:50 PM
We'll win it if we get a 6 innings, 6-run line from Waters because we're going to outscore them.
Looks like we are going to test that theory...
Right now this has the makings of an 12-10 game...
Mike B
08-10-2008, 02:50 PM
Early on yet, I think Waters is still THE guy we want pitching now.
He has thrown a ton of pitches and he is not getting the ball down. We are going to score more but let's not have it get away in an effort to squeeze one more inning.
WEAVERMAN
08-10-2008, 02:50 PM
6-5 TX now. Keep Waters on a short leash, DT. If he allows an another run, he should be gone. The bullpen is refreshed and Waters is not sharp.
jdwilde1
08-10-2008, 02:51 PM
Are you watching, Trembley?
I agree. The O's need to get this guy 150 or so ab to get a better gauge on what type of player he could turn out to be. I don't care who needs to grab a seat on the pine (i.e Scott, Payton, Mora, Millar, etc...). Does anyone know if he could play CF? I know he started out as a SS and he looks to have decent speed.
At 26 he's not to old that he won't become a quality MLB hitter. Ryan Howard was almost 26 before he reached the bigs, Utley was a rookie at 25, Luke Scott was a rookie until 28.
O's might have a hidden gem on there hands, and the final chip to the OF puzzle. DT - Get this man in the line-up as much as possible!
JTrea81
08-10-2008, 02:51 PM
Hmm this is odd, I wonder if Bradley is hurt?
scOtt
08-10-2008, 02:52 PM
He has thrown a ton of pitches and he is not getting the ball down. We are going to score more but let's not have it get away in an effort to squeeze one more inning.
True. I say ride him to 100 pitches or so, unless he really loses it.
I need to walk out on my balcony for a while... and stuff... Hold down the fort guys and gals.
jdwilde1
08-10-2008, 02:54 PM
Mora seems to be refreshed when getting a day off. Maybe once a week. Huff as a DH needs rest less, plus he is younger. I would sit Millar twice a week, Mora one a week, Payton once a week and Scott once a week and that give Montanez more than his fair share of time. IMO Huff protects the top part of the lineup so I would not take him out much.
100% agree. Huff, Roberts, and Nick the Stick need to be in the line-up every day. Everyone else needs to lose AB's to make way for Montanez. Let's see what he can do.
Waters moves to the bag very well, great flexibility and footwork. I hope this kid succeeds.
JTrea81
08-10-2008, 02:54 PM
Time to get that lead back...
mikezpen
08-10-2008, 02:54 PM
I don't think they'll get that 6 innings from him.
El Gordo
08-10-2008, 02:55 PM
I agree. The O's need to get this guy 150 or so ab to get a better gauge on what type of player he could turn out to be. I don't care who needs to grab a seat on the pine (i.e Scott, Payton, Mora, Millar, etc...). Does anyone know if he could play CF? I know he started out as a SS and he looks to have decent speed.
At 26 he's not to old that he won't become a quality MLB hitter. Ryan Howard was almost 26 before he reached the bigs, Utley was a rookie at 25, Luke Scott was a rookie until 28.
O's might have a hidden gem on there hands, and the final chip to the OF puzzle. DT - Get this man in the line-up as much as possible!I thought MiL numbers were what mattered at the old OH as opposed to a small sample size of ML AB. Isn't that why we love Jon Knott and LaRoche. Never mind the ML stats. Well Montanez is a career .771 OPS in the MiL.
my goodness, Brian comes up with doubles like he had them in his pockets to pass out like candy
WEAVERMAN
08-10-2008, 02:58 PM
3-2 on Nick, take him deep Nick.
dang, Nick hit that on the nose and nearly tagged it over the wall
WEAVERMAN
08-10-2008, 02:58 PM
C'mon Mora, get another big two out RBI.
God bless Melvin Mora and his 17 children. His house must go nuts around the TV when Daddy gets an rbi hit.
JTrea81
08-10-2008, 03:01 PM
Way to go Mora! :clap3:
JTrea81
08-10-2008, 03:02 PM
All we need is three more outs Chris...
PaulFolk
08-10-2008, 03:02 PM
Waters is done for the day. Randor Bierd is now pitching.
El Gordo
08-10-2008, 03:04 PM
Way to go Mora! :clap3:Bench him he's old.!:laughlol:
mikezpen
08-10-2008, 03:05 PM
R's the guy I w/have brought in. If he's ok, he can give you three innings and get it to the short guys.He'll be the WP if he can pitch halfway decently because the Orioles aren't done scoring.
King Randor, father to He-Man, c'mon get it done Randor, live up to your cartoon legacy!
jdwilde1
08-10-2008, 03:07 PM
I thought MiL numbers were what mattered at the old OH as opposed to a small sample size of ML AB. Isn't that why we love Jon Knott and LaRoche. Never mind the ML stats. Well Montanez is a career .771 OPS in the MiL.
True, but look at his #'s this year and the end of 2007. As a former #3 overall pick it looks like everything is finally coming together for him offensively. He has very good balance, hits to all fields, is quick when turning on the inside pitch, does not have a really high K to AB rate (which is always a huge red flag in predicting MLB success).
I'm not saying this guy is a can't miss, I'm saying we may have lucked out and picked up a late bloomer who might have the ability to become a quality player. If his numbers were better over his minor league career he wouldn't be on our roster right now.
At this point it is clearly worth the chance to get the guy some consistent AB's so we have a better idea of whether he could be in the O's plans for the future. He was hitting .337 26 hr and almost 100 rbi at Bowie.
It's not unheared of to have this type of thing happen. Look no further that Mel Mora, who was a throw in in the Bordick deal and really didn't have a productive offensive year until his 30's.
JTrea81
08-10-2008, 03:09 PM
Yep, this one's going to be a slugfest...
Pushmonkey
08-10-2008, 03:10 PM
True, but look at his #'s this year and the end of 2007. As a former #3 overall pick it looks like everything is finally coming together for him offensively. He has very good balance, hits to all fields, is quick when turning on the inside pitch, does not have a really high K to AB rate (which is always a huge red flag in predicting MLB success).
I'm not saying this guy is a can't miss, I'm saying we may have lucked out and picked up a late bloomer who might have the ability to become a quality player. If his numbers were better over his minor league career he wouldn't be on our roster right now.
At this point it is clearly worth the chance to get the guy some consistent AB's so we have a better idea of whether he could be in the O's plans for the future. He was hitting .337 26 hr and almost 100 rbi at Bowie.
It's not unheared of to have this type of thing happen. Look no further that Mel Mora, who was a throw in in the Bordick deal and really didn't have a productive offensive year until his 30's.
I thought Mora was the player we wanted in that deal?
mikezpen
08-10-2008, 03:10 PM
Look no further that Mel Mora,..
absolutely right--or if you're real old like me-JIM GENTILE, who came to the O's in 1960 as a career minor leaguer at age 27. Drove in 98 runs as a rookie and 141 the following year (1961)
blueberryale77
08-10-2008, 03:10 PM
For the love of Mike, can Cintron catch ANYTHING?! That's two non-error errors for him already this game! I really hope Castro's groin injury heals in a hurry. We can't afford any more of this nonsense! :angryfire:
ah for pete's sake I hate bloops
ledzepp8
08-10-2008, 03:15 PM
What a POS rbi single. I think Hamilton's homerun is really the only hard hit ball Texas has all day (I fully admit I could be dead wrong about that:D).
JTrea81
08-10-2008, 03:16 PM
At this point I'd take a run scoring DP...
El Gordo
08-10-2008, 03:17 PM
For the love of Mike, can Cintron catch ANYTHING?! That's two non-error errors for him already this game! I really hope Castro's groin injury heals in a hurry. We can't afford any more of this nonsense! :angryfire:
This game wouldbe a cake walk if we had Castro in. DP ball there.:angryfire:
blueberryale77
08-10-2008, 03:17 PM
This game could be so different if we only had a shortstop. :(
dslats715
08-10-2008, 03:18 PM
This game could be so different if we only had a shortstop. :(
Castro with a pulled groin would have had those woo
El Gordo
08-10-2008, 03:18 PM
This game could be so different if we only had a shortstop. :(
At this point I'd settle for Fahey. But who cares, SS is all about the OPS right.:rofl:
SteveA
08-10-2008, 03:19 PM
This game could be so different if we only had a shortstop. :(
Yep, Randor did not pitch that badly. Luke Scott would have caught the ball in left that Montanez couldn't get to, also.
jdwilde1
08-10-2008, 03:19 PM
I thought Mora was the player we wanted in that deal?
No, Mora was a last minute throw in when we dealt Bordick. Originally the O's were insisting on an AA SS but the Mets refused. The trade ended up being centered on two Mets minor league pitchers, w/ the primary focus on the Mets single A closer named Pat Gorman. The O's also got Mike Kinkade and Mora. Mora was only included at the last minute b/c Syd Thrift said he needed someone to play SS.
scOtt
08-10-2008, 03:20 PM
Good play by Payton to hold that to a single...
Marvin
08-10-2008, 03:20 PM
I think Texas is going to try and score 30 runs in one inning here..
El Gordo
08-10-2008, 03:22 PM
Maybe we should have stuck with Waters.:scratchchinhmm:
hammer310
08-10-2008, 03:22 PM
I didn't realize Bierd lost that much velocity on the fastball. He was at 86 tops, that isn't going to cut it especially if you cant command your pitches.
Cormier is garbage, DFA him after this game.
Hopefully the offense can come back
ledzepp8
08-10-2008, 03:22 PM
Freakin' dink and dunk hits.
fansince71
08-10-2008, 03:22 PM
perhaps bierd wasnt the man to bring in. 0IP 4H 4R
SteveA
08-10-2008, 03:24 PM
perhaps bierd wasnt the man to bring in. 0IP 4H 4R
One hit off the tip of Cintron's glove that Castro would have had.
One hit that got past Cintron that Castro would have made the play on.
One hit that Montanez couldn't get to that Luke Scott would have made the play on.
Maybe the problem isn't Bierd?
hammer310
08-10-2008, 03:25 PM
Well that is why Castro should be playing and not Cintron.
He is awful at short with no range and no arm. This game would be close if he was in. Cintron is pathetic out there and its not like he is doing anything with the bat. Get rid of Cintron and bring Fahey back up here.
El Gordo
08-10-2008, 03:26 PM
Oh the horror, the horror!:cussing:
hammer310
08-10-2008, 03:27 PM
One hit off the tip of Cintron's glove that Castro would have had.
One hit that got past Cintron that Castro would have made the play on.
One hit that Montanez couldn't get to that Luke Scott would have made the play on.
Maybe the problem isn't Bierd?
Um I dont think Scott would have got that. Just a lucky hit. The other two Cintron should have had.
Part of it is. He couldn't command is pitches at all and had a pathetic fastball around 85 mph.
George
08-10-2008, 03:29 PM
At this point I'd settle for Fahey. But who cares, SS is all about the OPS right.:rofl:
You are totally right. Perhaps Montanez could play SS tomorrow.
El Gordo
08-10-2008, 03:30 PM
Um I dont think Scott would have got that. Just a lucky hit. The other two Cintron should have had.
Part of it is. He couldn't command is pitches at all and had a pathetic fastball around 85 mph.Castro could have got to it.
PaulFolk
08-10-2008, 03:30 PM
Very bad inning for Cintron. He couldn't haul in that Laird single that he jumped for, then he couldn't flag down that grounder to his left by Ellison, and he made two weak relay throws on potential DP balls. Just goes to show the importance of a good defensive SS, I suppose.
hammer310
08-10-2008, 03:32 PM
Castro could have got to it.
The one hit to left? Maybe, your probably right.
Cintron and and Cormier need to go after this game.
Also, I see why Lou isn't playing CF. I know he is still trying to adjust but he looks awful out their.
ledzepp8
08-10-2008, 03:34 PM
Wow, how about that logic from Trembley in regards to Montanez. Some people could take a page from his book.
Insomniac
08-10-2008, 03:36 PM
Very bad inning for Cintron. He couldn't haul in that Laird single that he jumped for, then he couldn't flag down that grounder to his left by Ellison, and he made two weak relay throws on potential DP balls. Just goes to show the importance of a good defensive SS, I suppose.
Amen to that. Assuming Castro is healthy enough to play the next game, I'd DFA Cintron and bring up Torres. Torres can back-stop both 2b and SS (although not ideal at SS), and would be a solid speed option off the bench. Cintron's bat is clearly not enough to offset his poor defense.
While we're cleaning house, I'd also send Cormier out in favor of Jim Miller coming up.
hammer310
08-10-2008, 03:41 PM
Amen to that. Assuming Castro is healthy enough to play the next game, I'd DFA Cintron and bring up Torres. Torres can back-stop both 2b and SS (although not ideal at SS), and would be a solid speed option off the bench. Cintron's bat is clearly not enough to offset his poor defense.
While we're cleaning house, I'd also send Cormier out in favor of Jim Miller coming up.
Yea bring up Torres and DFA Cintron.
Id be fine with Kam, Penn, or Miller for Cormier. He just needs to go.
El Gordo
08-10-2008, 03:41 PM
Amen to that. Assuming Castro is healthy enough to play the next game, I'd DFA Cintron and bring up Torres. Torres can back-stop both 2b and SS (although not ideal at SS), and would be a solid speed option off the bench. Cintron's bat is clearly not enough to offset his poor defense.
While we're cleaning house, I'd also send Cormier out in favor of Jim Miller coming up.Torres D may just be worse than Cintron's, if that's possible.
El Gordo
08-10-2008, 03:44 PM
Man at this point I just hope we can keep them to under 30.:drek::bangwall::newcry:
Insomniac
08-10-2008, 03:45 PM
Torres D may just be worse than Cintron's, if that's possible.
Just at SS, or at 2b too? I don't know too much about him, other than he's hit the ball okay the last couple of years at AAA, is a switch-hitter, and has some speed. At 25, I thought maybe it was time to give him a real cup of coffee. If his defense is "cintronesque," though, then nevermind!
jdwilde1
08-10-2008, 03:49 PM
Wow, how about that logic from Trembley in regards to Montanez. Some people could take a page from his book.
I agree w/ not throwing him into CF if he's not familiar w/ the position. However, I think they need to find a spot for him on a regular basis whether it be in LF or at DH. If that means an extra day or two off for Mora, Scott and Millar then so be it.
I don't want the guy to come up and sit on the pine. If you want to build his confidence let him know he'll be in the line-up whether he's hitting or not. This approach served both Markakis and Jones well. I especially think this is the best approach b/c he has been in such grove for the last 2 1/2 months.
hammer310
08-10-2008, 03:52 PM
Come on Mora get Brob in again. Were not out of this yet.
JimDH
08-10-2008, 03:55 PM
Come on Mora get Brob in again. Were not out of this yet.
No. We're done scoring this game. Wind knocked out of us this time.
Insomniac
08-10-2008, 03:56 PM
I agree w/ not throwing him into CF if he's not familiar w/ the position. However, I think they need to find a spot for him on a regular basis whether it be in LF or at DH. If that means an extra day or two off for Mora, Scott and Millar then so be it.
I don't want the guy to come up and sit on the pine. If you want to build his confidence let him know he'll be in the line-up whether he's hitting or not. This approach served both Markakis and Jones well. I especially think this is the best approach b/c he has been in such grove for the last 2 1/2 months.
I love both Millar and Scott. However, to get Lou enough at-bats to see what he can do, Millar needs to sit against righties (with Huff playing first), and Scott needs to sit against lefties. Lou needs at least 125 ABs before the end of the year.
ledzepp8
08-10-2008, 03:56 PM
I agree w/ not throwing him into CF if he's not familiar w/ the position. However, I think they need to find a spot for him on a regular basis whether it be in LF or at DH. If that means an extra day or two off for Mora, Scott and Millar then so be it.
I don't want the guy to come up and sit on the pine. If you want to build his confidence let him know he'll be in the line-up whether he's hitting or not. This approach served both Markakis and Jones well. I especially think this is the best approach b/c he has been in such grove for the last 2 1/2 months.
The point is that people want him to just be thrown right out there to do whatever they want like it's a video game. Trembley wants to put him in a position to succeed. And people are complaining about him not playing but he's been up since August 5th and Trembley has found a way to play him in every game.
hammer310
08-10-2008, 04:01 PM
No. We're done scoring this game. Wind knocked out of us this time.
Yea it looks like we ran out of gas.
But who knows.
GO OS!
hammer310
08-10-2008, 04:02 PM
The point is that people want him to just be thrown right out there to do whatever they want like it's a video game. Trembley wants to put him in a position to succeed. And people are complaining about him not playing but he's been up since August 5th and Trembley has found a way to play him in every game.
I agree, his defense hasn't been stellar and he looks to be a below average outfielder. If his defense was better I could see him starting but he looks like a 4th outfielder to me.
hammer310
08-10-2008, 04:06 PM
Man do I miss Albers.
The pen was so bad today.
El Gordo
08-10-2008, 04:20 PM
I think Cintron is having the worst game in the history of baseball. GIDP.:cussing::angryfire:
blueberryale77
08-10-2008, 04:20 PM
Great, Cintron grounds to one of the few middle infielders in the majors who can give him a run for his money when it comes to flubbing plays, he bobbles it for a couple of seconds, and Cintron still can't beat the relay throw to first. :rolleyestf:
blueberryale77
08-10-2008, 04:27 PM
It's really too bad the Orioles ruined George Sherrill. He really did used to be one heck of a good lefty specialist.
hammer310
08-10-2008, 04:29 PM
It's really too bad the Orioles ruined George Sherrill. He really did used to be one heck of a good lefty specialist.
Yup, hopefully Ray comes back to be the closer or JJ takes over.
I just dont see him being a closer.
hammer310
08-10-2008, 04:38 PM
Another bomb by Mora right off the wall.
He is en Fuego!
blueberryale77
08-10-2008, 04:44 PM
Usually when your leadoff hitter scores 3 runs and your #3 hitter drives in 4, you win. But this is the Orioles and it's Sunday. :(
scOtt
08-10-2008, 08:57 PM
I jinxed 'em, with the title. "Sunday Sweep"
:(