8/11/08- Orioles vs Indians

[tanner88]

Brian Roberts - 2B
Nick Markakis - RF
Melvin Mora - 3B
Aubrey Huff - DH
Kevin Millar - 1B
Luke Scott - LF
Ramon Hernandez - C
Jay Payton - CF
Alex Cintron - SS
Dennis Sarfate - P

G Sizemore CF
D Dellucci LF
B Francisco RF
J Peralta SS
S Choo DH
R Garko 1B
S Fasano C
A Marte 3B
A Cabrera 2B

Already 2-0 with no one out in the bottom of the first.

[Feinbird]

Already 2-0 with no one out in the bottom of the first.

And already another error by our shortstop.

[tanner88]

This is really getting ugly. 4-0.

[blueberryale77]

Wait, seriously, this is the game thread? Unbelievable.

Oh well, I just came by to beat my dead horse. His name is Alex Cintron, and as usual he deserves a good beating!

:deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:
:deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:
:deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:

[tywright]

I didn't see it, but did Cintron touch the bag?

[Ozone]

Can we please end this Sarfate as a starter abomination!

[Waryn]

I didn't see it, but did Cintron touch the bag?

direct word from the Indians radio commentor:

"He touched the bag and it wasn't called, the tribe will take it!"

[zff4]

for a brief inning, God hated the Orioles

[Ozone]

I didn't see it, but did Cintron touch the bag?

No, but he was awfully close. The one time an ump decides not to allow the "neighborhood" call, its when the Os are involved.

[blueberryale77]

direct word from the Indians radio commentor:

"He touched the bag and it wasn't called, the tribe will take it!"

Interesting. The O's radio guys conceded that he was behind the bag and not even close. On top of that, he should have had a pretty easy play at first but took his usual couple of steps before making a weak throw.

Meanwhile, the three real baseball players in the infield turn a double play to get out of the inning. See how easy that is, Mr. "Shortstop"? :rolleyestf:

[itsernst]

This is why Castro should start instead of Cintron.

[blueberryale77]

This is why Castro should start instead of Cintron.

Castro has a groin pull. He was supposed to come back today but was scratched from the lineup. But this is why Fahey should be the utility guy instead of Cintron.

[JimDH]

Castro has a groin pull. He was supposed to come back today but was scratched from the lineup. But this is why Fahey should be the utility guy instead of Cintron.

yeah. I wonder why he isn't?

[itsernst]

Castro has a groin pull. He was supposed to come back today but was scratched from the lineup. But this is why Fahey should be the utility guy instead of Cintron.

He needs to suck it up and play :D Cintron started out decent but continues to fall into the "unbearable to watch" category.

[blueberryale77]

yeah. I wonder why he isn't?

It may be as simple as the fact that Fahey still had an option left... or there may be some evil conspiracy to frustrate the living daylights out of O's fans by making us watch a Daniel Cabrera impersonator (without the arm) play shortstop. ;)

[itsernst]

Please pull Sarfate.

[ChrisAF79]

The play at 2nd with Cintron was BS in my opinion. He didn't touch the bag, but it wasn't blatant and he was very close to it at the very least. 99 times out of a 100 that's an out.

On another note, Sarfate is really stinking up the joint tonight.

[ChrisAF79]

The "Sarfate as a starter" experiment should be over after tonight's game. He just doesn't have the command to get deep into a game. He's a thrower, not a pitcher.

[blueberryale77]

The play at 2nd with Cintron was BS in my opinion. He didn't touch the bag, but it wasn't blatant and he was very close to it at the very least. 99 times out of a 100 that's an out.

On another note, Sarfate is really stinking up the joint tonight.

The neighborhood play is kind of like getting the benefit of the doubt on borderline pitches. If you've earned your stripes as a respectable SS/2B, you get the call. If you're as awful as Cintron, you haven't earned the privilege of stretching the rules. Besides, he screwed up the throw to first too. I think the umpire just got frustrated feeling like he was at a little league game with all the substandard defense and pitching we're putting out there.

[Ozone]

Sarfate's ERA was 10.29 as a starter coming into tonight and saddly enough it is going up!!!!

[ChrisAF79]

The neighborhood play is kind of like getting the benefit of the doubt on borderline pitches. If you've earned your stripes as a respectable SS/2B, you get the call. If you're as awful as Cintron, you haven't earned the privilege of stretching the rules. Besides, he screwed up the throw to first too. I think the umpire just got frustrated feeling like he was at a little league game with all the substandard defense and pitching we're putting out there.
I suppose, but I'm not exaggerating when I say that 99 out of 100 times the umpire makes the out call in that situation. If he were blatantly off the bag I would agree with you, but he was literally within 6-12 inches of the bag.

[JimDH]

Sarfate's ERA was 10.29 as a starter coming into tonight and saddly enough it is going up!!!!

Unless he can get through the 4th without giving up any more runs! It could happen.

[JimDH]

Payton has done a nice job with runners on this year.

[Ozone]

Unless he can get through the 4th without giving up any more runs! It could happen.

Radhames Liz was a much better starter than Sarfate. I realize they want Liz to work on his control at Norfolk, but they may have to bring him back up.

[blueberryale77]

I suppose, but I'm not exaggerating when I say that 99 out of 100 times the umpire makes the out call in that situation. If he were blatantly off the bag I would agree with you, but he was literally within 6-12 inches of the bag.

I agree with you that it's 99 out of 100 for the average Major League player, but whenever the play is not called, it's either a rookie or someone who doesn't belong in the majors. Cintron has no business being at shortstop, so I can't really blame the umpire for expecting him to do the job by the textbook.

[ChrisAF79]

Oh give it up Wedge, you already got one freebie at 2nd tonight.

[ChrisAF79]

Way to go Nick. He really gave that a ride.

[ChrisAF79]

By the way, why is it so quiet in here tonight?

[Ozone]

The Indians announcers are terrible. When the Indians got the call, the umps made a great call, but when the Os get the call, it was a bad call and clearly the wrong call. They're not as bad as the White Sox announcers, but they are bad.

[blueberryale77]

By the way, why is it so quiet in here tonight?

Probably lots of people couldn't bare to watch once they saw that Castro was scratched and Cintron was going to be playing SS again. That or they planned ahead thinking a Sarfate start was a pretty good game to miss. :(

[Ozone]

Probably lots of people couldn't bare to watch once they saw that Castro was scratched and Cintron was going to be playing SS again. That or they planned ahead thinking a Sarfate start was a pretty good game to miss. :(

I'm starting to get the feeling that you don't like Cintron.:D

[JimDH]

Probably lots of people couldn't bare to watch once they saw that Castro was scratched and Cintron was going to be playing SS again. That or they planned ahead thinking a Sarfate start was a pretty good game to miss. :(

No. This is my kind of game. Expect the unexpected.

[blueberryale77]

I'm starting to get the feeling that you don't like Cintron.:D

Good job! Next you're going to figure out that I do like Brian Roberts. :laughlol:

[ChrisAF79]

Way to go Huff Daddy. He's smokin'.

[mrbig1]

Big Huff daddy. Our MVP does it again.

[El Gordo]

Huffmeister! Trade him before he falls off the table at 32.:rolleyestf:

[zff4]

Huffmeister! Trade him before he falls off the table at 32.:rolleyestf:
well, the Rays do have a certain experience with him and are hurting for bats

[ChrisAF79]

The best thing about the O's this season is that you never truly feel that they're out of any game. If Sarfate can get us through 5 without any more damage, I feel pretty decent about this game.

[blueberryale77]

well, the Rays do have a certain experience with him and are hurting for bats

I don't think that experience was a very good one... at least at the end.

[zff4]

There's something about Fausto Carmona that reminds me of D-Cab, maybe it's his unpredictability this year oh no, Ramon pulled something, it's Weiter's Time, but no, false alarm with Ramon.

[porterhouse]

The best thing about the O's this season is that you never truly feel that they're out of any game. If Sarfate can get us through 5 without any more damage, I feel pretty decent about this game.I don't think he'll go 5. Another shaky outing coupled w/ too many pitches. Only way would be if O's go ahead this inning.

[porterhouse]

Sarfate back...so much for my prediction.

[mrbig1]

OK, Time to bring in the bullpen.

[ChrisAF79]

Well that's that. 5 walks in 4+ innings. Blah.

[El Gordo]

One thing about Sarfate, he's consistent. 4 innings 5 runs.:angryfire:

[mrbig1]

Oh boy, I think we're in trouble.

[mrbig1]

Still nobody out.

[Webley Webster]

Woot woot woot!

O's up 8-7!

[ChrisAF79]

Clutch hit, Nick!

Somewhere, Oldfan is crying.

[Scrat1]

Well this has been quite an inning so far.

[ChrisAF79]

And this is what I was talking about earlier. You never feel like the O's are out of it!

[zff4]

well that woke me up, holy mackeral, nick gets a bases juiced triple and angels in heaven sing hosannas

[jincargo]

Nick rules.

[El Gordo]

How do you like them apples?:clap3::2yay-thumb::beerchug1::clap:

[rooter]

Sorry guys, Oldfan says Nick is not a clutch hitter. You imagined that bases loaded triple.

[mrbig1]

This team is just unbelievable. Down by 4 runs and come up with 5.

[JTrea81]

Tonight is not a good night to be a pitcher in this game. Cherry's about to give the lead back...

[JTrea81]

C'mon let's get the DP!

[itsernst]

You Got To Be Kidding Me!!!! Hernandez Wtf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Waryn]

thanks Ramon

[JTrea81]

Well this isn't good. Cherry's created this mess, hopefully we can still come out of this tied...

[itsernst]

It gets no more routine then that...no excuse at all.

[McNulty]

I had to logon just to say that everything ever is Ramon's fault. Everything. EVER.

[OsFan462]

Fundamentals, the Oriole way.

[mrbig1]

DP home and first.

[itsernst]

Well this isn't good. Cherry's created this mess, hopefully we can still come out of this tied...

Plus 1 out.

[Hank Scorpio]

I can't believe what I just saw.

That was the most horrible, inexcusable, ridiculous, pathetic, unbelievable excuse for an attempt at a f'ing rundown I have ever seen.

Between two guys who are "VETERANS" too. I just destroyed a remote because of that.

I hope Dave Trembley flips over a friggin' table over that crap. That was disgusting.

[olehippi]

thanks Ramon

Not Ramon's fault. Mora failed Little League 101....:cussing:

[itsernst]

Should be 8-7 with 2 out now.

[JTrea81]

DP ends the inning.

[mrbig1]

Damn:cussing:

[Waryn]

Well this isn't good. Cherry's created this mess, hopefully we can still come out of this tied...

because Cherry forgot to throw to third

[itsernst]

I can't believe what I just saw.

That was the most horrible, inexcusable, ridiculous, pathetic, unbelievable excuse for an attempt at a f'ing rundown I have ever seen.

Between two guys who are "VETERANS" too. I just destroyed a remote because of that.

Send the bill to Ramon Hernandez.

[ihatetheyankees]

He just made a horrible decision. He is so slow why would he ever think about running down a runner. Give up the ball. But on the bright side that's the most hustle out of him I have ever seen. lol.

[Hank Scorpio]

Not Ramon's fault. Mora failed Little League 101....:cussing:

He did, but Alex Cintron was standing at third base. Throw the ball for the love of God. Hernandez is just as much to blame as Mora.

[McNulty]

Not Ramon's fault. Mora failed Little League 101....:cussing:

Wrong. Cintron was on third. Ramon should of thrown it back. That was 100% Ramon's fault.

[JTrea81]

Wieters can't get here soon enough. At least if he makes a boneheaded play you can chalk it up to a rookie mistake...

[Jagwar]

Not Ramon's fault. Mora failed Little League 101....:cussing:

Time to start another Wieters thread.

How is this? "Can Matt Wieters Execute a Rundown?"

[ihatetheyankees]

I'm going to bed. I can't watch this anymore. The easiest plays they have to somehow screw up.

[Jagwar]

Wrong. Cintron was on third. Ramon should of thrown it back. That was 100% Ramon's fault.

I agree... on that play you run the guy back towards 3B, not to 3B

[section34]

This inning is entirely's Mora's fault.

Ramon had no throw since NMora was in no-man's land. Even if Cintron didn't let Mora know he was at 3rd Mora has to back up and create space for the run down.

Now Mora boots a double play grounder. Mora can clutch hit but he makes the dumbest decisions I've ever seen.

[Marcus]

Is this team retarded?

[JTrea81]

Hey guys remember that lead you just had, well I hope those bats are still warm... :rolleyestf:

The entire left side of the infield needs to be taken to the woodshed...

[The Rick]

Geez, a few months later and I still miss Albers.

[Jagwar]

hmmm, does Millar actually know why the infield plays in there? How about looking the runner back before stepping on the bag?

Bah... I'm nitpicking

[section34]

And now Millar reacts slowly with a runner at 3rd.

Trembley better stick his foot up some asses after this one!

We gave Cleveland 5 friggin outs that inning!

[JTrea81]

Well Walker is at least proving he's a LOOGY again...

[Jagwar]

This inning is entirely's Mora's fault.

Ramon had no throw since NMora was in no-man's land. Even if Cintron didn't let Mora know he was at 3rd Mora has to back up and create space for the run down.

Now Mora boots a double play grounder. Mora can clutch hit but he makes the dumbest decisions I've ever seen.

Methinks you are letting Ramon off the hook there. It's not as if Mora was standing in the baseline. Ramon had plenty of time to throw the ball, and thought (for some reason) that he had closing speed.

Mora's play was ruled a hit... not sure it is booting a GIDP

[El Gordo]

Not Ramon's fault. Mora failed Little League 101....:cussing:
You'll have to explain what they taught you in little league. Mora throws home as he should, Ramon runs him back, Cintron covers 3B as he should. and Ramon doesn't throw to him. What does Mora have to do with it?

[El Gordo]

This inning is entirely's Mora's fault.

Ramon had no throw since NMora was in no-man's land. Even if Cintron didn't let Mora know he was at 3rd Mora has to back up and create space for the run down.

Now Mora boots a double play grounder. Mora can clutch hit but he makes the dumbest decisions I've ever seen.That's not the way a run down works.You don't have fielders back peddling.

[JTrea81]

Ok Payton, time to justify why you are still starting vs. a RHP...

[JTrea81]

Cintron you are playing because of your bat. Now is time to show you can swing it...

[Waryn]

why did cintron hit

[itsernst]

Why not pinch hit for Cintron there DT? NM if Castro is injured, no one to play SS.

[Jagwar]

I don't care if he's a rookie. I really wanted to see Montanez hit there for Cintron

[El Gordo]

The end times are near. Jay Paytion takes back to back BB's.:laughlol:

[itsernst]

I don't care if he's a rookie. I really wanted to see Montanez hit there for Cintron

That is what I was thinking, but Castro is injured.

[El Gordo]

why did cintron hit
Who plays SS?

[JTrea81]

Who plays SS?

The sad part is Montanez could probably play SS better than Cintron...

[Jagwar]

Well Walker is at least proving he's a LOOGY again...

I think he just proved it... again...

[JTrea81]

Nice to see Walker's splits are ringing true once again. Unfortunately that means he gets crushed vs. RH hitters...

[Jagwar]

Nice to see Walker's splits are ringing true once again. Unfortunately that means he gets crushed vs. RH hitters...

I thought the O's had 13 pitchers... did they misplace any RHs for the 8th inning?

[JTrea81]

I thought the O's had 13 pitchers... did they misplace any RHs for the 8th inning?

Yeah, FCab should have been in here somehow...

[blueberryale77]

I had to logon just to say that everything ever is Ramon's fault. Everything. EVER.

As much as I despise Ramon, I'm going to have to disagree. Everything is Cintron's fault. It's an Orioles shortstop thing.

He caused Ramon's brain fart by being so horrible at catching baseballs that Ramon was afraid to throw to him (I'm only half joking on that one) and spread his Cintron germs to Mora, causing him to screw up that other play. Also made Jamie Walker get old, Castillo hit those batters, Sarfate not be capable of starting and the O's organization think he was. After the game tonight, Cintron is going to steal an SUV and drive it over Markakis, Roberts, Huff, Guthrie and Johnson. Then he'll drive it to Bowie and take out Matt Wieters. :p

[JTrea81]

This just in - Hey Dave, Walker stinks vs. RH hitters...

[mrbig1]

Ball game.

[Jagwar]

Yeah, FCab should have been in here somehow...

It is just sad that every hangouter knows this, yet no one in the O's dugout knows it tonight

[JTrea81]

It is just sad that every hangouter knows this, yet no one in the O's dugout knows it tonight

Trembley gave up apparently after that botched bottom of the 7th...

And here comes Bierd after pitching a ton yesterday. This should be good...

This game is exhibit A why Sarfate should not be starting. Bergesen would probably at least get you to the 6th inning.

[blueberryale77]

The sad part is Montanez could probably play SS better than Cintron...

My cat that I just put on diet food because she's getting chubby could play a better SS than Cintron.

[olehippi]

The good news is that Phelps is getting ready to swim.

[Jagwar]

My cat that I just put on diet food because she's getting chubby could play a better SS than Cintron.

What's her OPS?

[mrbig1]

My cat that I just put on diet food because she's getting chubby could play a better SS than Cintron.

Damn, is it like that?

[El Gordo]

The way our SP has looked lately. I'm starting to miss Traschel.:eek:

[JTrea81]

My cat that I just put on diet food because she's getting chubby could play a better SS than Cintron.

I bet my cat's better... :) He's got the reflexes even though he's in baseball shape - as in round... :laughlol:

[Hank Scorpio]

My cat that I just put on diet food because she's getting chubby could play a better SS than Cintron.

You know what? You're right, Alex Cintron sucks. He's really stinky.

But at least he's not a "staple" of this team.

Ramon Hernandez IS.

Melvin Mora IS.

Jay Payton IS.

These three make the dumbest mistakes time and time and time again, I'm just so sick and tired of watching them play. I know we don't really have a younger option at third base who's any good, but I would be ELATED to watch Costanzo or Moore out there every night. I would be ECSTATIC to see Nolan Reimold in left field and whoever in centerfield, Roberson or Tike Redman would be fine if Montanez couldn't handle it. And obviously Wieters behind the plate. There is no way on Earth or any other planet that Wieters could be worse than Ramon Hernandez. There is simply no way in hell.

So tired of watching fundamental mistakes from our "veterans."

Same sht, different year.

[fansince71]

Damn, is it like that?

Where the hell is JJ? Surely he could of been in at some point

[mrbig1]

This team is making me old. Good night.

[blueberryale77]

This just in - Hey Dave, Walker stinks vs. RH hitters...

"I'm not a negative person, I don't want to be negative. He's had better days. He's a veteran, we have to give him his respect."

:rolleyestf::p

[blueberryale77]

I bet my cat's better... :) He's got the reflexes even though he's in baseball shape - as in round... :laughlol:

We should enter both our cats into the Orioles shortstop competition. One of them would win the starting job and the other could be the utility player. :rofl:

[JTrea81]

And the inning comes to an end and Bierd gets out of the inning without giving up a run...

He's in the running with Castillo for "Best Oriole relief pitcher performance of the night." Walker and Cherry juuuuuust missed the cut...

[El Gordo]

You know what? You're right, Alex Cintron sucks. He's really stinky.

But at least he's not a "staple" of this team.

Ramon Hernandez IS.

Melvin Mora IS.

Jay Payton IS.These three make the dumbest mistakes time and time and time again, I'm just so sick and tired of watching them play. I know we don't really have a younger option at third base who's any good, but I would be ELATED to watch Costanzo or Moore out there every night. I would be ECSTATIC to see Nolan Reimold in left field and whoever in centerfield, Roberson or Tike Redman would be fine if Montanez couldn't handle it. And obviously Wieters behind the plate. There is no way on Earth or any other planet that Wieters could be worse than Ramon Hernandez. There is simply no way in hell.

So tired of watching fundamental mistakes from our "veterans."

Same sht, different year.I missed the early part of the game. What bonehead plays did Payton make? Mora failed to make what would have been a web gem if he had been able to turn two. I don't see what his mistake is.

[mrbig1]

that was one of the worst played games of the year.

[Hank Scorpio]

I missed the early part of the game. What bonehead plays did Payton make? Mora failed to make what would have been a web gem if he had been able to turn two. I don't see what his mistake is.

I'm not referring to this particular game. I'm referring to the countless times Payton has watched the guy in front of him walk, then come up and swing at the first pitch... the countless times I've seen him allow an extra base because he missed a cutoff man, etc....

And Melvin Mora could have probably been left off the list, but he's just another veteran who isn't part of the future of this team.

I'm just highly pissed off after watching that ridiculous play. Melvin, apologies. You shouldn't have been included in that rant ;)