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Dracula
09-02-2008, 09:26 AM
Alright I know there are some Skins fans on here so what do you guys think. Giants are favored by 4 pts.
I think the Skins really have a shot in this game (anything can and will happen in NFC East games). No Strahan or Osi really helps out and I'm also more comfortable with them naming Heyer the starting RT over Jansen. Jason Taylor is a game time decision.
Skins might have to win this one by pounding the rock. Try to wear down their D-Line (which is still solid). We only have 4 active WR's for this game (Kelly out), D Thomas probably won't see too much action and Randle El is playing with a broken hand. I'd like to see more 2 TE sets with Fred Davis and utilize him in the passing game here.
Hopefully NYG has a superbowl hangover but they will be getting their rings and that should pump them up. Hopefully Taylor plays and we can get to Eli early and rattle him.
If I had to bet I'd probably say Giants 17 Skins 14. Skins offense will probably struggle a bit in 1st game under Zorn and we won't get enough consistent pressure on Eli to see the old Eli we know and love. Obviously, I hope I'm wrong.
What are your predictions?
Dr. FLK
09-02-2008, 09:29 AM
I know they were "only pre-season games", but those last 2 disasters have me rather nervous. The line couldn't block, the offense didn't move, and the defense was horrific. I have absolutely no idea what to expect heading into this game, but I'm not too optimistic about it.
backwardsk
09-02-2008, 03:38 PM
Alright I know there are some Skins fans on here so what do you guys think. Giants are favored by 4 pts.
I think the Skins really have a shot in this game (anything can and will happen in NFC East games). No Strahan or Osi really helps out and I'm also more comfortable with them naming Heyer the starting RT over Jansen. Jason Taylor is a game time decision.
Skins might have to win this one by pounding the rock. Try to wear down their D-Line (which is still solid). We only have 4 active WR's for this game (Kelly out), D Thomas probably won't see too much action and Randle El is playing with a broken hand. I'd like to see more 2 TE sets with Fred Davis and utilize him in the passing game here.
Hopefully NYG has a superbowl hangover but they will be getting their rings and that should pump them up. Hopefully Taylor plays and we can get to Eli early and rattle him.
If I had to bet I'd probably say Giants 17 Skins 14. Skins offense will probably struggle a bit in 1st game under Zorn and we won't get enough consistent pressure on Eli to see the old Eli we know and love. Obviously, I hope I'm wrong.
What are your predictions?
I think you'll see a lot of 2 TE sets. They invested a lot in Davis for that reason. They just didn't showcase it in the preseason.
I'm up in the air about Taylor. After watching Usi go down on that surface, I'd rather have Taylor sit out this game and get healthy instead of push himself if he's still hurt. I think that's why they kept 6 DEs.
Prediction: Redskins 87 Giants 2.
I think you'll see a lot of 2 TE sets. They invested a lot in Davis for that reason. They just didn't showcase it in the preseason.
I'm up in the air about Taylor. After watching Usi go down on that surface, I'd rather have Taylor sit out this game and get healthy instead of push himself if he's still hurt. I think that's why they kept 6 DEs.
Prediction: Redskins 87 Giants 2.
Yea, I can't blame you for the conservative prediction seeing as how we looked really bad the last two pre season games.
But me? Well...I'm more optimistic and predict the Skins win 187-2:clap3:
allstar1579
09-04-2008, 07:30 PM
Yea, I can't blame you for the conservative prediction seeing as how we looked really bad the last two pre season games.
But me? Well...I'm more optimistic and predict the Skins win 187-2:clap3:
I have seen enough of Jim Zorn already. Bring on Bill Cowher. This offense is not going to work with the players we have, we saw that in 05. Brennan is way better suited for the west coast than Campbell, and he is at least a year from ready. Benching Jansen because of the preseason, coming off an injury??? Moron...The play calling is looking suspect at best...I really hope Sly Dan is just using Zorn as a place holder for a year until Cowher said he would come back to coach. <sigh> This game is going to break my heart.
Mackus
09-04-2008, 07:40 PM
Brandon Jacobs nearly just made an only-child out of Dawan Landry (assuming they have no other siblings).
Big Mac
09-04-2008, 07:43 PM
The Skins look absolutely terrible tonight.:mad:
Looks like another long year for us Skins fans.:rolleyes:
The game seems to be going the way it was supposed to. Burress looks good. I just hope he catches a TD, I've got him in 2 fantasy leagues. And I hope Chris Cooley gets shut out.
Big Mac
09-04-2008, 08:09 PM
The game seems to be going the way it was supposed to. Burress looks good. I just hope he catches a TD, I've got him in 2 fantasy leagues. And I hope Chris Cooley gets shut out.
At this point, I'm just hoping the Skins can cross the 50-yard line.
At this point, I'm just hoping the Skins can cross the 50-yard line.
Nice drive there. Santanna Moss TD makes it 16-7 at half. Go 'Skins.... just keep Cooley out of it.
Can someone explain to me how Moss was down on that play. He caught the ball after the contact, already on the ground, and with no one touching him at the time of the catch or after.
Miller192
09-04-2008, 09:41 PM
The offensive play calling for the Skins looks so vanilla
Does Zorn know what a no huddle offense is? Now may be the time to use it. Check that, 3 minutes ago would have been the time to start using it.:mad:
Does Zorn know what a no huddle offense is? Now may be the time to use it. Check that, 3 minutes ago would have been the time to start using it.:mad:
Is he a Brian Billick disciple? :laughlol:
WTF? A 2 yard dump off to Moss on 3rd and 17? I'm glad I'm a Ravens fan...
hammer310
09-04-2008, 09:53 PM
WTF? A 2 yard dump off to Moss on 3rd and 17? I'm glad I'm a Ravens fan...
Yea me too.
That was some pathetic play calling by Zorn. There is 3 minutes left and he is still running the ball.
I knew when the Skins signed him he wouldn't be a good choice. I know it's only 1 game, but that was a poor showing.
You have to take chances through the air.
Sports Guy
09-04-2008, 09:54 PM
What has happened to Campbell?
Skins fans going to be calling for Collins?
Big Mac
09-04-2008, 09:57 PM
What has happened to Campbell?
Skins fans going to be calling for Collins?
Man, I hope not.
It's hard to blame Campbell, he's had to learn a system every year he's been in the NFL.
I have to say Jim Zorn's play-calling and clock management was terrible tonight. But I guess that's ehat you get when you take a QB coach and think he can be a head coach.:rolleyes:
hammer310
09-04-2008, 10:00 PM
What has happened to Campbell?
Skins fans going to be calling for Collins?
The Gaints have been blitzing like crazy, he has no time back there. The O-line has played pretty poorly in pass protection.
What has happened to Campbell?
Skins fans going to be calling for Collins?
It's funny that the guy who always says small sample size says this.
New offensive system every year all the way back to college, a lot of pressure, a couple drops, questionable play calling, and questionable preparation by the coaching staff.
Zorn and his offense is the big question mark, not Campbell.
Can someone explain to me how Moss was down on that play. He caught the ball after the contact, already on the ground, and with no one touching him at the time of the catch or after.
Anyone? I'm seriously curious, and Michaels and Madden didn't say anything about it.
hammer310
09-04-2008, 10:12 PM
Anyone? I'm seriously curious, and Michaels and Madden didn't say anything about it.
I have no way at looking back at it.
I think he was tackled in mid air, and when he came to the ground he bobbled it but caught it. Since he really didnt have possession, he would have had to get tackled or touched again when he was on the ground. I dont think he was, and probably should not have been blown dead.
This is how I remember it, not sure if it's exactly what happened.
square634
09-04-2008, 10:14 PM
Anyone? I'm seriously curious, and Michaels and Madden didn't say anything about it.
I think they blew the call with a premature whistle. I also thought the James Thrash catch out of bounds in the final minute should have been reviewed. Not that it would have mattered. Plus, I'm a Ravens fan! :clap3:
I have no way at looking back at it.
I think he was tackled in mid air, and when he came to the ground he bobbled it but caught it. Since he really didnt have possession, he would have had to get tackled or touched again when he was on the ground. I dont think he was, and probably should not have been blown dead.
This is how I remember it, not sure if it's exactly what happened.
Yeah, and that may have been a TD, because even before they blew the whistle he was up and running, and I'm not sure there was anyone there to tackle him. At the very least it would have been a first down instead of a punt.
Sports Guy
09-04-2008, 10:23 PM
It's funny that the guy who always says small sample size says this.
New offensive system every year all the way back to college, a lot of pressure, a couple drops, questionable play calling, and questionable preparation by the coaching staff.
Zorn and his offense is the big question mark, not Campbell.
Hey, i really like Campbell...But he looked terrible tonight although all the things you said carry a lot of weight.
(similar things i have said about Boller for years)
Hey, i really like Campbell...But he looked terrible tonight although all the things you said carry a lot of weight.
(similar things i have said about Boller for years)
Terrible is rather strong imo. The offense as a whole looked bad, but he wasn't terrible, it's not like he threw any picks or really bad passes. He really wasn't given a much of a chance to make a big impact on the game with all the run calling and lack of a no huddle when it was obvious it was needed.
This game is on Zorn imo.
Not that I was expecting a win anyway, but obviously would have liked to have seen a better offensive performance.
Terrible game by Zorn...Looked over his head tonight but it's only one game.
Campbell I believe has had 7 different coordinators in his last 8 years of College/NFL experience....How ridiculous is that? Can't blame him and he certainly should be out there over Collins.
Gibbs being gone is one thing...Firing a top D-Coordinator who all the players were behind, not giving him the head job and then not even bringing him back to coach the defense....That was the first thing. Then they make Zorn the head coach after hiring him to be the o-coordinator...Wait, they hired an offensive coordinator before they hired a head coach? Vinny, are you ok buddy?
Don't understand the Skins...Seems like alot of unnecessary mess brought upon themselves.
Yeah, it would be nice if they got a real GM, and then let him do his job.
bryanman8
09-04-2008, 11:40 PM
Terrible game by Zorn...Looked over his head tonight but it's only one game.
Campbell I believe has had 7 different coordinators in his last 8 years of College/NFL experience....How ridiculous is that? Can't blame him and he certainly should be out there over Collins.
Gibbs being gone is one thing...Firing a top D-Coordinator who all the players were behind, not giving him the head job and then not even bringing him back to coach the defense....That was the first thing. Then they make Zorn the head coach after hiring him to be the o-coordinator...Wait, they hired an offensive coordinator before they hired a head coach? Vinny, are you ok buddy?
Don't understand the Skins...Seems like alot of unnecessary mess brought upon themselves.
In fairness, Gregg wasn't going to come back as D-Coordinator. We would have gladly had him but after we passed over him for the job almost everyone thought was his, it wasn't an option. Blache was okay tonight. I think the calls were right, but the secondary doesn't know what it's doing--why Smoot was playing ten yards off every third-and-short was mind-boggling. Manning was still the same stupid QB that throws at least 5 balls up for grabs each game and us only catching one of them was poor.
Vinny Cerrato is almost certainly mentally challenged. I say that not to tease or whatever but as having actually seen him speak and listened to many interviews of him, he seems like he has an IQ in the 10-20 range. How somebody like him earned the complete absolute trust of a great businessman like Dan Snyder is just unreal.
Zorn is in over his head, as you all have said. Implementing your own offense and having to call all the plays is WAY more than enough; you can't also deal with talking with every single player on the team and listening to Portis' rants and all that.
Heck, I almost want to see them bring back Gibbs as HC and send Zorn up to the coaches box. Zorn's clock management is about 20x worse than Gibbs, and Gibbs was about the worst in the league at it. That's scary.
I'll give him the long week and a home game, but I'm very skeptical about this.
As bad as the offense looked, it's just one game, at least one regular season game. Zorn was obviously an odd choice to begin with, and is a guy who could be very good or bad, unlike getting a status quo guy who is more likely to be around average. So a risky pick, and one that has to be given a chance, as in the whole year. The lack of the no huddle was even more discouraging than the offense in general imo, because that's just moronic coaching.
Dr. FLK
09-05-2008, 07:04 AM
Zorn looked confused pretty much the entire game. He had no idea how to manage the clock at the end of the game. When the Skins got the ball - needing 2 scores - with around 7 minutes left, he played like he was running out the clock. I don't even want to know how many 3rd and 5 type situations he called 3 yard plays on. I sure hope he gets better than this, because he didn't look like a head coach today.
Now, I will give credit to the defense. No Springs. Not much Smoot. Landry coming off injury. Taylor hurt. And, after a rough start, they really stepped it up. It's just too bad the offense couldn't do the same. Pathetic opener by the Skins.
NewMarketSean
09-05-2008, 09:29 AM
The Redskins looked a lot like the Ravens last night. I think it could be a long year for them too.
Dracula
09-05-2008, 09:30 AM
Wow guys calm down...its week 1 under a new head coach against the defending champs in their house.
If you expected them to win than you're crazy.
Did I expect a better offensive performance? Sure I did.
It's week 1, Zorn can learn a lot from this game. Blache made the necessary adjustments at halftime and Zorn didn't.
Teams start out horrible in week 1 all the time, this is the NFL. The Giants are a very good team, the Skins will rebound don't worry.
NewMarketSean
09-05-2008, 09:39 AM
Wow guys calm down...its week 1 under a new head coach against the defending champs in their house.
If you expected them to win than you're crazy.
Did I expect a better offensive performance? Sure I did.
It's week 1, Zorn can learn a lot from this game. Blache made the necessary adjustments at halftime and Zorn didn't.
Teams start out horrible in week 1 all the time, this is the NFL. The Giants are a very good team, the Skins will rebound don't worry.
I'm just not impressed with the Skins. They are in a tough division and I think they are the weakest team in it. Good points about opening up against SB champs on the road though.
Mad Mark
09-05-2008, 11:55 AM
Thank you, Redskins!
Not only are you bad, but you're bad in an off-putting way that can only be described as the opposite of entertaining!
Perhaps this is the year I finally get my Sunday's back!
(I could kind of use them!)
itsernst
09-05-2008, 02:12 PM
Landry got Rick-Rolled by Jacobs last night. That hit he laid on him was brutal.
Dr. FLK
09-05-2008, 03:18 PM
Wow guys calm down...its week 1 under a new head coach against the defending champs in their house.
If you expected them to win than you're crazy.
Did I expect a better offensive performance? Sure I did.
It's week 1, Zorn can learn a lot from this game. Blache made the necessary adjustments at halftime and Zorn didn't.
Teams start out horrible in week 1 all the time, this is the NFL. The Giants are a very good team, the Skins will rebound don't worry.
It wasn't just that they lost to the defending champs. It was that they looked completely unprepared. They looked confused. They had no idea what to do when they needed to be running the two minute offense. They had no idea how to stop the running game. It's a miracle the game ended as close as it did.
Malike
09-06-2008, 12:29 AM
Landry got Rick-Rolled by Jacobs last night. That hit he laid on him was brutal.
It wasnt quite the immovable object vs. the unstoppable force on that hit, yep. I'm a life long Giants fan, and I don't expect them to make the playoff's and I'm not sure if they looked real good, or the Skins just were that bad.
allstar1579
09-11-2008, 12:18 AM
Ok...I did pretty well thinking and not speaking for the first 3 days after this disaster. I feel like I can accurately get out what I was thinking during the game last week. Keep in mind I am a passionate Skins fan, and start cringing now...
1. Zorn is a moron. Period. He has no business being a head coach, we all know that from the fact that he was barely getting a look as an offensive coordinator, and now he's a head coach. His play calling was some of the worst I've ever seen. The whole run Portis up the middle twice then a short dump off in the flat before punting was cute the first time or two, but after 5 straight possessions of it...I had enough. The time management at the end of the game? What was that?? Not that we really had a chance, but if they would have gone to the shotgun sooner, it would have been a moot point. Bring on Bill Cowher.
2. Campbell. He is not the QB for this system, and I'm beginning to wonder if he is going to be an NFL QB at all. I know thats harsh to say after the different offenses so many years, but he is just too slow. He has no QB instincts, and can not make decisions fast enough for the NFL. He wants to play in the shotgun to give him more time, hopefully it will fix his Moss tunnel vision, but Zorn is pouting about it already...so it's only going to get worse. Brennan is a great QB for this system, but by the time he is ready to play Zorn will be a memory, albeit a bad one, and we'll have a new offense anyway.
3. Jansen. He has been a pro bowl player for a decade. He is coming off season ending surgery, and had a bad preseason because of it. That does not mean that you bench him for a 2nd year tackle that was not good last season. Heyer has some potential, and a great injury fill in, but he is not ready for this. Makes too many mistakes (blocking Tuck INTO where Campbell was, offsides calls and getting pushed around all night). Jansen is a steadying influence, and for Campbell to have ANY chance, he needs the best players out there. Better be starting by week 3.
4. Defense. For being as beat up as they are, they played pretty well. The first 10 minutes were awful, but then they were shut down after that, without Springs, losing Smoot, 2/3 of the linebackers coming off major surgery, 5 years combined experience @ safety. Taylor played hurt, and did ok. Carter got amped up towards the end, the DT didn't play amazing, but played well.
Overall, Zorn is a disaster, his offense does not work with this roster, and it's like he didn't care or doesn't know better. This guy should be a QB coach, not a head coach. The Saints looming, and then Eagles and Cowboys on the road....long long season. Before you start with the "it's only one game", that isn't the problem, the problem is the fundamental basis of this offense and it's roster of players. With a new system, or a new QB it could get very interesting very quick. <sigh> until Sunday....:(
Dracula
09-11-2008, 09:16 AM
Allstar, I think you just shattered your kneecap on the bottom of your desk there
Mad Mark
09-11-2008, 05:45 PM
Another fish rotting from the head...
Sports Guy
09-11-2008, 07:10 PM
Want an easy bet this weekend? The Skins-Saints game is a pick em at last check...Seriously?
Want an easy bet this weekend? The Skins-Saints game is a pick em at last check...Seriously?
Yeah, that seems kind of ridiculous. Trap game?
allstar1579
09-11-2008, 11:48 PM
Allstar, I think you just shattered your kneecap on the bottom of your desk there
Not at all. I am completely with the it's only one game, we have to support our team vibe, I'd never jump on someone for doing that. But can you tell me that not one person here was thinking WTF!!! when Zorn was named the HC after having no experience as even an OC?
I give him a very short leash, and my issue is just how completely clueless he looks about everything. You can go a step further from that and say it's not even his fault, that he deserves a chance...on a rebuilding team, and that you don't bring in a guy with that little experience, a completely different offense, or at least half of one...to a playoff team. The issues that I have are being hotly debated everywhere from the WaPo to ESPN, so I can't be too far off base. It's not an issue of this being one game, I was extremely skeptical coming into the preseason, and so far I have seen nothing to disprove the fact that QB coaches with no coordinator experience should not be promoted to head coach.
Dracula
09-12-2008, 08:50 AM
Not at all. I am completely with the it's only one game, we have to support our team vibe, I'd never jump on someone for doing that. But can you tell me that not one person here was thinking WTF!!! when Zorn was named the HC after having no experience as even an OC?
I give him a very short leash, and my issue is just how completely clueless he looks about everything. You can go a step further from that and say it's not even his fault, that he deserves a chance...on a rebuilding team, and that you don't bring in a guy with that little experience, a completely different offense, or at least half of one...to a playoff team. The issues that I have are being hotly debated everywhere from the WaPo to ESPN, so I can't be too far off base. It's not an issue of this being one game, I was extremely skeptical coming into the preseason, and so far I have seen nothing to disprove the fact that QB coaches with no coordinator experience should not be promoted to head coach.
I agree with most of what you say, but since we're stuck with Zorn for the year, might as well be optimistic for now and give him his shot.
I will say that I was ticked off when Snyder fired Williams and Saunders. If it were up to me, I would have promoted GW to head coach and kept AS so that the Offense could have some continuity.
I don't think Zorn is a horrible 2nd option to that, but there weren't really any other options after he fired GW and AS. Fassel? No thanks. Spags declined. It is what it is.
allstar1579
09-12-2008, 11:30 AM
I agree with most of what you say, but since we're stuck with Zorn for the year, might as well be optimistic for now and give him his shot.
I will say that I was ticked off when Snyder fired Williams and Saunders. If it were up to me, I would have promoted GW to head coach and kept AS so that the Offense could have some continuity.
I don't think Zorn is a horrible 2nd option to that, but there weren't really any other options after he fired GW and AS. Fassel? No thanks. Spags declined. It is what it is.
Yeah, don't worry, I'm not realistically saying let's fire Zorn, I'm just amazed they would throw away an entire season like this to get the guy they really want. I mean yeah if we were 5-10 that makes sense, but we are a playoff team...and not getting much younger you know. Football has a much small prime window for players. Portis is 26, but by 30 he's done.
I agree with the keeping GW, there must have been something behind the scenes there, because I thought he was betrothed the team. Saunders I feel like was a big mistake in itself. Snyder panics and goes for the splashy move a bit too often, and a new coach or coordinator takes more time to get used to than just a player. I think they should have hired Russ Grimm instead of Zorn. They didn't even interview him, and this is a guy with the same philosophy as Gibbs offensively, and who came up in Cowher's system as well. Ground and pound and air it out....
Instead we get the dip and dunk, and punt it out. <sigh> We'll see a little more this week, but I don't think I can take a whole nother week of being in a bad mood because of bad playcalling, so I hope they win this one.
Well Coltson being out will certainly help.
The key to this year and really the next few years, is how will Campbell adjust to the west coast offense, and how good of a playcaller/coach Zorn is. I have full confidence that Campbell is a good QB, but this probably isn't the ideal system for him, so we'll see.
allstar1579
09-12-2008, 09:36 PM
Well Coltson being out will certainly help.
The key to this year and really the next few years, is how will Campbell adjust to the west coast offense, and how good of a playcaller/coach Zorn is. I have full confidence that Campbell is a good QB, but this probably isn't the ideal system for him, so we'll see.
Yeah, but Smoot and Springs being banged up might negate that advantage I'm afraid. Not to mention Washington might be out, McIntosh is slowed coming off surgery and they have to cover Bush. It'll be really interesting to see some of the matchups.
I think you are right on both counts, but the fact that Campbell went to Zorn and asked him to put more emphasis on shotgun formations can't bode well for his comfort with the WCO, and time will tell on Zorn's playcalling. I'm just confused how this many questions came about, and I think it really stems back to Cerrato being given control, cause he has never had a good history of personnel decisions.
Want an easy bet this weekend? The Skins-Saints game is a pick em at last check...Seriously?
Hope you bet a ton on that "easy bet" this weekend.:D;)
Sports Guy
09-14-2008, 08:25 PM
Hope you bet a ton on that "easy bet" this weekend.:D;)
Freakin Saints...Blew that game.
Freakin Saints...Blew that game.
Really? That's the way you're thinking about that game? Did you watch it? The Saints were lucky that they weren't down by double digits in the first half. The Skins basically dominated the game except for special teams and finishing drives.
BTW, I did pick the Skins to win this game. Foolish to think this was an easy pick.
Big Mac
09-14-2008, 08:56 PM
Really? That's the way you're thinking about that game? Did you watch it? The Saints were lucky that they weren't down by double digits in the first half. The Skins basically dominated the game except for special teams and finishing drives.
BTW, I did pick the Skins to win this game. Foolish to think this was an easy pick.
Campbell just took that game over in the 4th quarter.
Sports Guy
09-14-2008, 09:50 PM
Really? That's the way you're thinking about that game? Did you watch it? The Saints were lucky that they weren't down by double digits in the first half. The Skins basically dominated the game except for special teams and finishing drives.
BTW, I did pick the Skins to win this game. Foolish to think this was an easy pick.
Saints were up 9 in the 4th quarter...Yes, they blew it.
I don't care if the Skins were ahead in the stats or something like that....The Saints were up and should have won.
Saints were up 9 in the 4th quarter...Yes, they blew it.
I don't care if the Skins were ahead in the stats or something like that....The Saints were up and should have won.
Well the Skins blew it for them to be up by 9. The team that should have won, did.
Dracula
09-15-2008, 09:14 AM
Agree with mweb. The Skins outplayed the Saints all day, they are just a better team. The saints are slightly overrated IMO. The skins kept them in it until the 4th by missing 2 easy fg's and a 2 pt conv and by punting to Bush.
That's why they play 4 quarters. If they played 3, then yes NO would have won. They didn't blow the game, they just were not the better team.
geschinger
09-15-2008, 09:35 AM
Agree with mweb. The Skins outplayed the Saints all day, they are just a better team. The saints are slightly overrated IMO. The skins kept them in it until the 4th by missing 2 easy fg's and a 2 pt conv and by punting to Bush.
That's why they play 4 quarters. If they played 3, then yes NO would have won. They didn't blow the game, they just were not the better team.
The better team won the game although they were fortunate to get that win. They need to some of the mistakes or they might not be so fortunate with a similar effort the next time.
From the Saints perspective, no matter how well or poorly you've played over the first 50 minutes of a game it's a tough argument to say you didn't blow it when you are up two scores with ten minutes left in the game and lose the game.
The better team won the game although they were fortunate to get that win. They need to some of the mistakes or they might not be so fortunate with a similar effort the next time.
From the Saints perspective, no matter how well or poorly you've played over the first 50 minutes of a game it's a tough argument to say you didn't blow it when you are up two scores with ten minutes left in the game and lose the game.
How about this, the Skins blew the game to put the Saints in a position where they could blow the game?
I just don't care for people just saying the Saints blew the game without adding anything to it, that makes it seem like the Saints outplayed the Skins, but the Skins got lucky to win. While in fact, the Skins outplayed the Saints, and didn't have good luck help them.
geschinger
09-15-2008, 04:06 PM
How about this, the Skins blew the game to put the Saints in a position where they could blow the game?
Sounds like an accurate assesment to me.
I just don't care for people just saying the Saints blew the game without adding anything to it, that makes it seem like the Saints outplayed the Skins, but the Skins got lucky to win. While in fact, the Skins outplayed the Saints, and didn't have good luck help them.
I think that's where you are reading too much into it... Being fortunate to win doesn't mean deserved to lose. Blowing a game has little to do with who deserved to win. For instance, the Colts were thoroughly outplayed yesterday and should have lost the game - no question about it. They were fortunate to win. However, even though they were outplayed if they would have let Minnesota run back the kickoff after going up 18-15 I think we could all agree it would be an accurate statement that they blew the game. It wouldn't take away anything from the Vikings and how they were the better team on the field that particular Sunday.
I may be reading too much into what other people mean, but if I just say so and so is fortunate to win a game, I generally mean they were outplayed and got lucky somehow.
AgentOrange
09-15-2008, 04:27 PM
I may be reading too much into what other people mean, but if I just say so and so is fortunate to win a game, I generally mean they were outplayed and got lucky somehow.
I just think it is about the wording, that's all.
I think people understand what you mean, but the word "fortunate" is interpreted differently by other people.
But I don't know where the Saints got lucky... :laughlol::p