Tubs Out at Auburn? [Archive] - Orioles Hangout Community

CrimsonTribe

12-03-2008, 08:34 PM

According to ESPN sources, that's the case.

Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville, who won 85 games and one SEC championship in 10 seasons, won't return as the Tigers' coach in 2009, multiple sources close to the situation told ESPN.com on Wednesday.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3742934

This is a huge mistake on Auburn's part. Basically one booster hated him and he's gone. I can't tell you how happy this makes me as a Bama fan.

BaltimoreTerp

12-03-2008, 08:45 PM

Joe Schad was saying that it was the AD and several big boosters who have wanted him gone fore a while, and the down year and destruction by Alabama gave them an excuse.

He also said that one of the boosters contacted Mike Leetch about the job last night, even before all of this happened.

waroriole

12-03-2008, 10:41 PM

As an Auburn fan I am furious over this. It's just another example of a school thinking they're a level above where they really are. Tubs is one of the best coaches in the nation, and one of Auburn's best coaches ever. I'll be even more pissed off when they hire some 2nd tier coach or Mike Leech. Tubs was exactly the kind of coach you need on the Plains. Should have fired the AD.

mrbig1

12-03-2008, 11:18 PM

OK let me get this straight. They're going fire Tubs at Auburn and keep Weis at ND. I heard it all now. This would be the biggest bone head thing Auburn has ever done. Bad news for Auburn great news for Bama fans.

CrimsonTribe

12-15-2008, 03:21 PM

Gene Chizik? Seriously? Could this get any better? I freaking love it.

waroriole

12-15-2008, 05:03 PM

CrimsonTribe

12-15-2008, 06:27 PM

Chizik may have had a rough 2 years at Iowa State, but I can assure you he is a good coach. He was DC on the 2004 national championship team. (Yes, I know Bama fans, we didn't win it that year but we should have.:D) He knows Auburn and what it will take to win there.

Firing Tubberville was still an awful mistake by Auburn, but I don't think it's as bad as everyone is making this out to be. It will also depend on who the OC is. We need to establish an identity on offense.

I guess it's nice to think positive, but I can honestly say you're the first Barner I've heard from that thinks this is even a remotely good hire. And then you factor in that he's getting paid $3M per.

I was sent this (http://iowastate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=889020)article, which had me giggling like a little schoolgirl. Even for a sour grapes parting shot it's quite rough.

waroriole

12-15-2008, 09:20 PM

I guess it's nice to think positive, but I can honestly say you're the first Barner I've heard from that thinks this is even a remotely good hire. And then you factor in that he's getting paid $3M per.

I was sent this (http://iowastate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=889020)article, which had me giggling like a little schoolgirl. Even for a sour grapes parting shot it's quite rough.

The best hire would have been to keep Tommy, but with Jacobs running the show I guess this is the best we could hope for.:(

CrimsonTribe

12-16-2008, 01:24 AM

The best hire would have been to keep Tommy, but with Jacobs running the show I guess this is the best we could hope for.:(

I agree that keeping Tubs was the right move. There's no question there. It just seems like they compounded their mistake with this one. Maybe Jay Jacobs knows something that everyone else doesn't.

BaltimoreTerp

12-16-2008, 01:49 AM

Lobbying for Gill, alum Barkley says Auburn should have hired black coach (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3770769)

Former Auburn and NBA star Charles Barkley ripped the school he attended on Monday, saying the only reason the Tigers did not hire Buffalo's Turner Gill as the school's new football coach is because Gill is black.

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"I think race was the No. 1 factor," said Barkley, who played basketball for three seasons at Auburn during the early 1980s. "You can say it's not about race, but you can't compare the two resumes and say [Chizik] deserved the job. Out of all the coaches they interviewed, Chizik probably had the worst resume."

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"I'm just very disappointed," Barkley said. "I just thought Turner Gill would be the perfect choice for two reasons: He's a terrific coach and we needed to make a splash. I thought we had to do something spectacular to bring attention to the program. Clearly, if we'd hired a black coach, it would have created a buzz."

Barkley, who works as an NBA analyst for Turner Network Television, said he spoke with Gill before Gill interviewed with Auburn officials last week.

"We talked about the whole race thing in Alabama," Barkley said. "I told him it's there and it's going to be anywhere you go. I told him you can't not take the job because of racism. He was worried about being nothing more than a token interview. He was concerned about having a white wife. It's just very disappointing to me."

So apparently, Auburn is run by a bunch of racist morons.

Discuss...:laughlol: ;)

Icterus galbula

12-16-2008, 03:42 AM

Lobbying for Gill, alum Barkley says Auburn should have hired black coach (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3770769)

So apparently, Auburn is run by a bunch of racist morons.

Discuss...:laughlol: ;)

Charges of racism in Alabama! Ridiculous! Hilarious! :rolleyes:

:laughlol: All you want, but have you BEEN to Alabama? Schools get named after Nathan Bedford Forrest, first Grand Wizard of the KKK.

This happened at Auburn (http://media.www.theeastcarolinian.com/media/storage/paper915/news/2001/11/20/News/Ecu-Reacts.To.Racism.At.Auburn.University-2205769.shtml)

These types of stories (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/63787-racism-on-the-plains-rumors-swirl-around-kodi-burns-and-auburns-qb-controversy) about Auburn come out too.

There are a lot of good people in Alabama, don't get me wrong, but you are a fool if you think Barkley's claims about Auburn don't have at least some significant basis in reality.

waroriole

12-16-2008, 01:10 PM

Charges of racism in Alabama! Ridiculous! Hilarious! :rolleyes:

:laughlol: All you want, but have you BEEN to Alabama? Schools get named after Nathan Bedford Forrest, first Grand Wizard of the KKK.

This happened at Auburn (http://media.www.theeastcarolinian.com/media/storage/paper915/news/2001/11/20/News/Ecu-Reacts.To.Racism.At.Auburn.University-2205769.shtml)

These types of stories (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/63787-racism-on-the-plains-rumors-swirl-around-kodi-burns-and-auburns-qb-controversy) about Auburn come out too.

There are a lot of good people in Alabama, don't get me wrong, but you are a fool if you think Barkley's claims about Auburn don't have at least some significant basis in reality.

There is racism in every state. I think AL gets more of a bad rap than any other state b/c of the events of the 60's. I lived in AL for almost 20 years and have since moved to PA. IMO, there is more racism here than AL. Of course, this is only my experience.

With that said, Barkley is just making the situation worse and speaking out of ignorance. He wasn't there for the interviews. He doesn't know the criteria they are using in looking for a coach. IMO, he saw the possibility of a black coach and when it didn't happen, he spoke out of anger. I don't buy for one second that Auburn went with Chizik over Gill because of race, and I think it does a disservice to all races and all parties involved to say something like that. What is Jacobs supposed to do if he truly likes Chizik over Gill? Should he hire Gill just to appease people like Barkley? In this situation he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. BTW, I love Barkley but I think he should shut up until he's more informed on the situation.

mrbig1

12-17-2008, 02:06 PM

Gene Chizik? Seriously? Could this get any better? I freaking love it.

Aw man that's cold. The Question is can Chizik recruit? Tubs got more than his share of 4 and 5 star players. Bama was #1 in recruiting last year. Florida and LSU were not far behide. If Chizik can't get those type players he won't be there long. I know that Bama fans are loving it.

Dr. FLK

12-18-2008, 09:56 AM

Turner Gill has a career record under .500 as a HC, doesn't he? And, he's never even been a HC in a big conference, right? If Turner Gill hadn't just beatedn Ball St., how many people would be clamoring for him as the hot coach on the block?

Chizik is an "Auburn guy" who was the D-Coord on the undefeated team. I'm not saying that he was the best guy for the job...don't get me wrong. But, maybe we can use some more disgression before jumping to the "racism got him the job" conclusions. If ole' Chuck wants to make a stand, maybe he should try and be more intelligent about his accusations.

Flosman

12-18-2008, 11:49 AM

This ultimately is a mistake, however it probably had to be done. Tubs was not liked by the people who matter at Auburn. Those folks happen to know almost nothing about football. Tubs made a huge mistake with the hiring of the OC this year to install a system he does not believe in personally. But it was what those important people wanted. That is always a sure fail way to look stupid. Then he bailed out before he really knew if it would work and accomplished doing nothing well offensively all year. Auburn supporters deserve what they are going to get over the next few years. They will not get the cream in recruiting and the will be outcoached in the SEC, IMO.

BaltimoreTerp

12-18-2008, 12:45 PM

Turner Gill has a career record under .500 as a HC, doesn't he? And, he's never even been a HC in a big conference, right? If Turner Gill hadn't just beatedn Ball St., how many people would be clamoring for him as the hot coach on the block?

Well, considering he was a "hot coach on the block" LAST year...

And don't you think taking a nothing program like Buffalo and turning them into something is more impressive than treading water in the bad half of the Big 12?

waroriole

12-18-2008, 06:55 PM

Well, considering he was a "hot coach on the block" LAST year...

And don't you think taking a nothing program like Buffalo and turning them into something is more impressive than treading water in the bad half of the Big 12?

Maybe so, but it's not more impressive than the job Chizik did as DC at Auburn. Chizik as DC is what started the Auburn run of dominant defense. I don't know enough about Iowa St. to say what kind of job he did there, but I also wouldn't look solely at that. Of course, this all could have been avoided had the Auburn AD been justly fired instead. War Eagle!

Dr. FLK

12-18-2008, 10:55 PM

Well, considering he was a "hot coach on the block" LAST year...

And don't you think taking a nothing program like Buffalo and turning them into something is more impressive than treading water in the bad half of the Big 12?

I'm not saying that I wouldn't rather have Turner Gill. I'm saying that I can understand choosing an "Auburn guy" who was the defensive coordinator on an undefeated team...who is praised by former Auburn players like Carlos Rogers...over a guy who has a sub-500 record in the MAC.

Who I would choose is irrelevant. My point is that you can make an intelligent argument for Chizik (just ca you can make an intelligent argument for Gill). And, Chuck makes a completely unintelligent argument for Gill...but, that's what Chuck does.

BaltimoreTerp

12-18-2008, 11:25 PM

Maybe so, but it's not more impressive than the job Chizik did as DC at Auburn. Chizik as DC is what started the Auburn run of dominant defense. I don't know enough about Iowa St. to say what kind of job he did there, but I also wouldn't look solely at that. Of course, this all could have been avoided had the Auburn AD been justly fired instead. War Eagle!

I'm not saying that I wouldn't rather have Turner Gill. I'm saying that I can understand choosing an "Auburn guy" who was the defensive coordinator on an undefeated team...who is praised by former Auburn players like Carlos Rogers...over a guy who has a sub-500 record in the MAC.

Who I would choose is irrelevant. My point is that you can make an intelligent argument for Chizik (just ca you can make an intelligent argument for Gill). And, Chuck makes a completely unintelligent argument for Gill...but, that's what Chuck does.

I wasn't arguing against Chizik either :p

I was just pointing out that if you are going to bring up an under-.500 record for one coach, you have to point out the mediocre record of the other guy.

Honestly, I can see why both make sense in their own way. And I agree Barkley needs to shut up :laughlol:

Dr. FLK

12-19-2008, 08:57 AM

I wasn't arguing against Chizik either :p

I was just pointing out that if you are going to bring up an under-.500 record for one coach, you have to point out the mediocre record of the other guy.

Honestly, I can see why both make sense in their own way. And I agree Barkley needs to shut up :laughlol:

I agree completely. Personally, I have no idea which one I would rather have. But, it's irresponsible to claim that the only reason Gill wasn't chosen is race.