Vasquez

[EddieO's21]

Granted...with the expection of Hayes, no one really had a decent game against GA Tech. However, Vasquez particularly had a rough game. He shot terrible, and took horrific shots. That, however, is not the point of this thread.

The student section gave him a very hard time today. Justifiable? I still don't know. But what I do know is that his gestures toward the crowd during the game and his quote afterwards were COMPLETELY unacceptable:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/01/10/ST2009011001430.html

"You tell me how Eric Hayes got the threes? Who passed him the ball? I did," Vasquez said. "I missed a lot of shots, but I made decisions at the end. And then I don't get credit for that, which I don't want. But I want them to support everyone on the team. I just don't like when the fans get like that."

He complained that Hayes was the only one not catching flack for bad play. He on the other hand should be exonerated because he was the man with all the "decisions?????"

I am starting to get really sick and tired of his antics. THEY WON?!?!?! Guess what Vasquez....if you haven't noticed, your "decisions" that you call them have guided the terps to plenty of NIT's. The crowd has a right to be pissed. You, unfortunately, are a complete cry baby. Do us all a favor, be quiet and play the game. You'll learn with a tad more maturity that winning brings respect. If you don't learn this valuable lesson, you won't make it through the season without a giant target slapped on that forehead.

[PaulBako]

You are 100% wrong.

Why are you talking bad about Greivis? If it were not for him, we would be a losing team right now. He is our best player and there is no reason that our fans should be booing at him and saying racist comments.

So stop bad mouthing Greivis. He's not a cry baby, and I can understand why he is pissed at the fans for what they were saying, and what they did. He is the only player on this team that really gets pumped up and plays hard.

[NewOwnerNeeded]

I was watching and I wondered what Vasquez's problem was.

This is what I don't get. Vasquez has such a longer leash than Hayes. If Hayes takes a bad shot, turns the ball over, or commits a bad foul, he always comes out of the game. Vasquez does those things all the time and never comes out of the game after one of those plays. So for him to think Hayes gets a free pass is ludicrous.

Vasquez is the most frustrating/enjoyable player to watch since John Gilchrist. One minute you are yelling and screaming at him for a dumb play, the next minute you are standing up applauding a great play. I just always hope his good plays come at the right time, and the bad plays don't come at the wrong time. This is who he is and after 3 years, I don't expect that to change.

I do wish he would shut his mouth and play.

[Lucky Jim]

In what quote did he complain that Hayes wasn't getting criticized? I don't see that anywhere.

[weemnj]

Granted...with the expection of Hayes, no one really had a decent game against GA Tech. However, Vasquez particularly had a rough game. He shot terrible, and took horrific shots. That, however, is not the point of this thread.

The student section gave him a very hard time today. Justifiable? I still don't know. But what I do know is that his gestures toward the crowd during the game and his quote afterwards were COMPLETELY unacceptable:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/01/10/ST2009011001430.html

"You tell me how Eric Hayes got the threes? Who passed him the ball? I did," Vasquez said. "I missed a lot of shots, but I made decisions at the end. And then I don't get credit for that, which I don't want. But I want them to support everyone on the team. I just don't like when the fans get like that."

He complained that Hayes was the only one not catching flack for bad play. He on the other hand should be exonerated because he was the man with all the "decisions?????"

I am starting to get really sick and tired of his antics. THEY WON?!?!?! Guess what Vasquez....if you haven't noticed, your "decisions" that you call them have guided the terps to plenty of NIT's. The crowd has a right to be pissed. You, unfortunately, are a complete cry baby. Do us all a favor, be quiet and play the game. You'll learn with a tad more maturity that winning brings respect. If you don't learn this valuable lesson, you won't make it through the season without a giant target slapped on that forehead.

If you really paid attention, you would know that Vasquez was booed rather loudly----by his own Md. fans-----probably the closest these negative fans have ever got to a basketball court is playing a computer game.

[EddieO's21]

You are 100% wrong.

Why are you talking bad about Grevis? If it were not for him, we would be a losing team right now. He is our best player and there is no reason that our fans should be booing at him and saying racist comments.

So stop bad mouthing Grevis. He's not a cry baby, and I can understand why he is pissed at the fans for what they were saying, and what they did. He is the only player on this team that really gets pumped up and plays hard.

Oh lord...wrong in your opinion...and this was mine...

it's about results. Show me something that proves the Grevis has been a catalyst for winning at Maryland. Does this all fall on his shoulders, no. But if he wants to be known as the "decision" man, he can certainly take the blame. People boo because people get upset. People are upset because Maryland basketball has become the definition of mediocrity; during the tenure of Grevis Vasquez. Grevis has a serious problem about keeping his mouth shut during games. If you could read lips, you could see exactly what he said. Besides the point, he played awful today. If the terps were winning, this wouldn't be an issue. But lately, esp with the loss to Morgan State, they're not.


I am of course not saying Grevis is not a good player. He has some serious attributes, but it is also important to note that his emotions hold him back at times and prevent him from becoming a great player.

As for the only player that gets pumped and plays hard?? Did you watch the game today? Every player was into the game, even at times of very poor shooting ect. Until we become a consitant NCAA tourney team again, I think most would say we are a "losing" team, regardless of record

[EddieO's21]

In what quote did he complain that Hayes wasn't getting criticized? I don't see that anywhere.

It was more about him wanting credit for Haye's play. Or at least not getting any mention for the looks that Hayes got.

[EddieO's21]

If you really paid attention, you would know that Vasquez was booed rather loudly----by his own Md. fans-----probably the closest these negative fans have ever got to a basketball court is playing a computer game.

that is making a pretty large hasty generalization...I think people are just sick of losing.

Let me clarify something very quickly. I actually like Vasquez. He has spunk, and plays well in big games. But he has an issue with his demeanor IMO. Be happy you won Grevis. Don't ask for all the credit, because you may not receive all the blame when you and your team eventually learn to play together.

[Lucky Jim]

It was more about him wanting credit for Haye's play. Or at least not getting any mention for the looks that Hayes got.

Then say that. Don't say he complained that Hayes didn't get booed. Those are two very different things.

What he was offering was a defense of his play: not credit for what Hayes did, but making the point that he was trying to find open people and actually contributed in spite of his poor shooting and the crowd's remarks.

I think GV gets too fired up at times. But he shouldn't be booed. And his words shouldn't be contorted into something they're not.

[PaulBako]

Oh lord...wrong in your opinion...and this was mine...

it's about results. Show me something that proves the Grevis has been a catalyst for winning at Maryland. Does this all fall on his shoulders, no. But if he wants to be known as the "decision" man, he can certainly take the blame. People boo because people get upset. People are upset because Maryland basketball has become the definition of mediocrity; during the tenure of Grevis Vasquez. Grevis has a serious problem about keeping his mouth shut during games. If you could read lips, you could see exactly what he said. Besides the point, he played awful today. If the terps were winning, this wouldn't be an issue. But lately, esp with the loss to Morgan State, they're not.


I am of course not saying Grevis is not a good player. He has some serious attributes, but it is also important to note that his emotions hold him back at times and prevent him from becoming a great player.

As for the only player that gets pumped and plays hard?? Did you watch the game today? Every player was into the game, even at times of very poor shooting ect. Until we become a consitant NCAA tourney team again, I think most would say we are a "losing" team, regardless of record

Show how Greivis has been a catalyst for winning?

If we didn't have him, the team would be lucky to win 10 games. He is our only real player and he is the reason that Maryland is winning right now.

It's wrong to boo Greivis, as he is the person who keeps this team going. What some fans did to day was really stupid. Booing him and saying bad things to him is not going to help.

What emotions? he gets excited and wins games for us. Or other players don't show the excitement that he has.

I agree that we are a "losing" team, but not because of Greivis. This team needs to bring in better talent, and needs to scout more top recruits for a chance to "win".

Don't blame anything on him. Sure, he might have some bad games. But you look at the other players, and they probably had bad games too. Greivis is the team. he is the only real talent we have, and I don't understand why people are making racist comments, and booing him.

[PaulBako]

Then say that. Don't say he complained that Hayes didn't get booed. Those are two very different things.

What he was offering was a defense of his play: not credit for what Hayes did, but making the point that he was trying to find open people and actually contributed in spite of his poor shooting and the crowd's remarks.

I think GV gets too fired up at times. But he shouldn't be booed. And his words shouldn't be contorted into something they're not.

What's wrong with getting fired up? That helps the team, and makes the fans excited.

[Lucky Jim]

What's wrong with getting fired up? That helps the team, and makes the fans excited.

Because it's not always a positive energy. And it frequently leads to him trying to do too much.

If you want to be an apologist, feel free. I like GV, and root for him. But he's not without flaws.

[EddieO's21]

Then say that. Don't say he complained that Hayes didn't get booed. Those are two very different things.

What he was offering was a defense of his play: not credit for what Hayes did, but making the point that he was trying to find open people and actually contributed in spite of his poor shooting and the crowd's remarks.

I think GV gets too fired up at times. But he shouldn't be booed. And his words shouldn't be contorted into something they're not.

I completely agree...if you look at my original post the line should have said
"he complained that he was the only one catching flack for his bad play"
the last thing I want to do is skew something that someone said.

but here is something else as well.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/terrapins-insider/2009/01/vasquez_to_fans_support_us_or.html?wprss=terrapins-insider

“I didn’t shoot well, no one else did. But they always get on me. They are always expecting something out of me. I’m not here for the fans. I’m here for myself, my family and Coach Williams.”

All I am saying is that Grevis needs to do less of this...and more playing. Winning will take care of itself. No need to feel sorry for yourself.

[EddieO's21]

Show how Grevis has been a catalyst for winning?

If we didn't have him, the team would be lucky to win 10 games. He is our only real player and he is the reason that Maryland is winning right now.

It's wrong to boo Grevis, as he is the person who keeps this team going. What some fans did to day was really stupid. Booing him and saying bad things to him is not going to help.

What emotions? he gets excited and wins games for us. Or other players don't show the excitement that he has.

I agree that we are a "losing" team, but not because of Grevis. This team needs to bring in better talent, and needs to scout more top recruits for a chance to "win".

Is this something anyone can prove?

Don't blame anything on him. Sure, he might have some bad games. But you look at the other players, and they probably had bad games too. Grevis is the team. he is the only real talent we have, and I don't understand why people are making racist comments, and booing him.

And here is the problem. He tries to do way to much. I am a high school basketball coach and I and trying to covey that emotion like this is not at all productive on the court. I have had players like Grevis, tons of talent, a lot of heart, and too much emotion. He may want what's best, but what he does gets in the way of what is necessay, salient, and essential for the team.

Grevis is not the team, and if he is, there is no chance this is a tourney team. Basketball is a 5 player sport, and the ACC will eat him alive with performances like this, both emotional and physical

[ccbird]

And here is the problem. He tries to do way to much. I am a high school basketball coach and I and trying to covey that emotion like this is not at all productive on the court. I have had players like Grevis, tons of talent, a lot of heart, and too much emotion. He may want what's best, but what he does gets in the way of what is necessay, salient, and essential for the team.

Grevis is not the team, and if he is, there is no chance this is a tourney team. Basketball is a 5 player sport, and the ACC will eat him alive with performances like this, both emotional and physical

You're right. Vasquez's energy and emotions have just as much a negative effect at times as they do positive effects. Here is the problem in general: Vasquez on a good, legit top 15-20 team is a 2nd or 3rd option. Look at the spark he brought as a freshman where he deffered to Strawberry, Jones and others and you realize how better he is in that role compared to being "the man". As mentioned earlier, it doesn't help that Gary doesn't even attempt to reel him and basically gives him a free pass to do whatever he wants.

[Dr. FLK]

GV is hands down my least favorite Terp of all time. Sure, he's out of control on the court and plays like he has his head buried in the sand. But, his "emotion" drives me nuts. His behavior at the end of the game yesterday is completely inexcusable. I mean, seriously, what kind of fool screams at the fans in between FTs at the end of a close game? It just seems like he's always jawing with fans. I actually find it difficult to root for him...and I certainly can't wait until he's gone.

I'm not saying he's not a talented player. And, I'm not saying they would be better without him. But, I cannot stand his reckless play and his egotistical battles with the crowd.

[Gofannon]

GV is hands down my least favorite Terp of all time. Sure, he's out of control on the court and plays like he has his head buried in the sand. But, his "emotion" drives me nuts. His behavior at the end of the game yesterday is completely inexcusable. I mean, seriously, what kind of fool screams at the fans in between FTs at the end of a close game? It just seems like he's always jawing with fans. I actually find it difficult to root for him...and I certainly can't wait until he's gone.

I'm not saying he's not a talented player. And, I'm not saying they would be better without him. But, I cannot stand his reckless play and his egotistical battles with the crowd.

I agree with just about all of this. I vowed that this year I was going to be less frustrated by him, since he's obviously the best player on the team. That lasted until early January.

I know that Vasquez is really the only guy on the team who can create his own shot, other than occasionally Bowie going to the basket. I know he fills a stat sheet. I can't argue that the guy averages 18 points, 5 assists, 5 rebounds, etc. I know our team would be much worse without him.

That said, he makes an endless number of horrible decisions during a game. While 25 foot jump shots with 27 seconds left on the shot clock don't count as a turnover in the stat book, they are just that.

If fans show their displeasure when he comes down and hurls up another of those shots when Maryland's down by 10, it's understandable. This is the same team that just blew a double-digit lead against Morgan State. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say I was thinking how bad things had gone in a week.

I don't like watching him taunt and scream at opposing fans, and I absolutely can't stand watching him scream at his own fans. I fear this year's team is going to have lots of ups and downs, and if he has rabbit ears throughout those down periods, it's going to get ugly.

Three other things:
The Post referred to the boos as "lightly coated criticism", and I didn't see any mention of racist comments anywhere other than here. I can't imagine racist comments count as lightly coated criticism.

I saw a suggestion that the closest the negative fans had been to basketball was a computer game. True - who knows? That said, even by playing a computer basketball game you can recognize what ridiculous shot selection looks like.

I'm generally against booing college players, unless there's a complete lack of effort. That certainly wasn't the case yesterday, and I don't think it will be the case with this year's team. We'll have to get by on effort. That said, I would absolutely be booing Vasquez the instant he screams at the crowd, whether home or away, but PARTICULARLY the home crowd.

[Dr. FLK]

If fans show their displeasure when he comes down and hurls up another of those shots when Maryland's down by 10, it's understandable. This is the same team that just blew a double-digit lead against Morgan State. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say I was thinking how bad things had gone in a week.

I don't like watching him taunt and scream at opposing fans, and I absolutely can't stand watching him scream at his own fans. I fear this year's team is going to have lots of ups and downs, and if he has rabbit ears throughout those down periods, it's going to get ugly.


The more he reacts, the more the fans will taunt. If he was acting that immature and ignorant during the end of a HOME game, imagine what the fans will do to him at Cameron, Chapel Hill, Wake, etc...

[Fairfax Bird]

Vasquez is an ego maniac. He talks in "I's" all the time. I love his game, but will be happy when he takes his show on the road. Hayes, Bowie, and Mosely would be fine without him if they had ONE inside presence.

[Ruzious]

I don't like posting in this forum due to the overwhelming negativity of spoiled fans, but... just when I wanna leave they drag me back in.

You never ever..... boo your own players when they're trying. Never. You're not a fan if you do... period. And that's from someone who's not particularly a Grevis fan - I've posted many times about his terrible shot selection and the fact that I don't think he'll make it in the NBA.

But to boo him when he's trying - and there's never been any question about his effort and desire... you're not worthy of being Maryland fans. And your reactions are more damaging than anything Grevis did. How does it look to the rest of the team and to potential recruits when Maryland fans boo their own player? It looks bad, because it stinks.

[PaulBako]

And here is the problem. He tries to do way to much. I am a high school basketball coach and I and trying to covey that emotion like this is not at all productive on the court. I have had players like Grevis, tons of talent, a lot of heart, and too much emotion. He may want what's best, but what he does gets in the way of what is necessay, salient, and essential for the team.

Grevis is not the team, and if he is, there is no chance this is a tourney team. Basketball is a 5 player sport, and the ACC will eat him alive with performances like this, both emotional and physical

As I said before, this team would be lucky to win 10 games if it were not for Grevis. The team is terrible, and Grevis is our only good player.

For all of you who bad mouth Grevis, and seem to love Eric Hayes:

Let's compare stats.

PPG:

Greivis: 18.1
Eric: 9.7

APG:

Greivis: 4.8
Eric: 3.4

3P%:

Greivis: .341
Eric: .333

RPG:

Greivis: 6.4
Eric: 3.4

BPG:
Greivis: 0.4
Eric: 0.1

SPG:

Greivis: 1.6
Eric: 1.4

FG%:
Greivis: .420
Hayes: .407

I don't understand when people bash Greivis and praise Eric Hayes. Even though Greivis does everything better than Eric Hayes.

I have nothing against Eric, he's a fine player. But I wonder why people love him so much.

Do people not like Greivis because of his skin color?

[PaulBako]

I don't like posting in this forum due to the overwhelming negativity of spoiled fans, but... just when I wanna leave they drag me back in.

You never ever..... boo your own players when they're trying. Never. You're not a fan if you do... period. And that's from someone who's not particularly a Grevis fan - I've posted many times about his terrible shot selection and the fact that I don't think he'll make it in the NBA.

But to boo him when he's trying - and there's never been any question about his effort and desire... you're not worthy of being Maryland fans. And your reactions are more damaging than anything Grevis did. How does it look to the rest of the team and to potential recruits when Maryland fans boo their own player? It looks bad, because it stinks.

I agree with you. There was no reason to boo him. That was an idiotic move by the fans.

[PaulBako]

GV is hands down my least favorite Terp of all time. Sure, he's out of control on the court and plays like he has his head buried in the sand. But, his "emotion" drives me nuts. His behavior at the end of the game yesterday is completely inexcusable. I mean, seriously, what kind of fool screams at the fans in between FTs at the end of a close game? It just seems like he's always jawing with fans. I actually find it difficult to root for him...and I certainly can't wait until he's gone.

I'm not saying he's not a talented player. And, I'm not saying they would be better without him. But, I cannot stand his reckless play and his egotistical battles with the crowd.

But why boo at your best player? Why say all those racist comments at the best player? I can understand why Greivis was so mad. The fans today were so idiotic for doing those things.

[Gofannon]

But why boo at your best player? Why say all those racist comments at the best player? I can understand why Grevis was so mad. The fans today were so idiotic for doing those things.

Can you post a link about the racist comments? I just haven't read that in anything I saw.

Racist comments are pretty much idiotic by nature.

[PaulBako]

Can you post a link about the racist comments? I just haven't read that in anything I saw.

Racist comments are pretty much idiotic by nature.

There are some racists in the crowd that just say those things.

[PaulBako]

Because it's not always a positive energy. And it frequently leads to him trying to do too much.

If you want to be an apologist, feel free. I like GV, and root for him. But he's not without flaws.

How is getting fired up not positive energy? Your emotions are running high, and it makes you want to win. I bet if Eric Hayes got all pumped up everyone would go "yeah!"

[inmn]

How is getting fired up not positive energy? Your emotions are running high, and it makes you want to win. I bet if Eric Hayes got all pumped up everyone would go "yeah!"

Vasquez is a wonderful player who is often asked to do more (or takes it upon himself to do more) due to the offensive limitations of the team.
That being said he needs to keep his head in the game and not let silly things distract him. I can guarantee you GW will be on him this week.
I don't believe in booing college kids, but there is absolutely no excuse for him cursing the crowd....those are the type of things that really turn off pro scouts-if a few idiots in the crowd are in his head his focus is not there.
Beyond that he has to have the maturity to understand things like this happen.

GW wants them to play with emotion but not to the point it motivates the opposition-I have heard him repeat this in the locker room and on the bench.

[Mackus]

Vasquez is this team. I want him to do whatever gets him motivated to play. If that is get angry at a portion of the crowd, then I'm fine with it.

This isn't a great MD team, but without Vasquez, it would probably be the worst Gary has coached since the 80's. He's the only difference-maker on the team, everybody else is a role player at best.

I get frustrated when he starts playing out of control just like everybody else, but you have to remember that nobody else on this team can make plays. Bowie is the only other one that can get to the basket. Vasquez is simply head and shoulders better than anyone else on the team. Whatever level we end up getting to this season, it will be because Vasquez took us there, good or bad.

[Mackus]

Watching the game yesterday, I had the feeling that it wasn't "the fans" he was sparring with, it was one person or a small group of people in the student section.

Other than Juan Dixon, there has always been a portion of the student section that has hated our best player. Steve Francis, Steve Blake, Terence Morris, LaRon Profit, John Gilchrest, Nik Caner-Medley. All of these guys have been hated by varying sizes of the crowd for not being better than some people thought they should be.

Greivis needs to deal with it better, but I am one that actually doesn't have a problem with how he plays and gets fired up in games. The vast majority of the time he gets pumped like that, he ends up playing better.

[Dr. FLK]

I don't like posting in this forum due to the overwhelming negativity of spoiled fans, but... just when I wanna leave they drag me back in.

You never ever..... boo your own players when they're trying. Never. You're not a fan if you do... period. And that's from someone who's not particularly a Grevis fan - I've posted many times about his terrible shot selection and the fact that I don't think he'll make it in the NBA.

But to boo him when he's trying - and there's never been any question about his effort and desire... you're not worthy of being Maryland fans. And your reactions are more damaging than anything Grevis did. How does it look to the rest of the team and to potential recruits when Maryland fans boo their own player? It looks bad, because it stinks.


But why boo at your best player? Why say all those racist comments at the best player? I can understand why Grevis was so mad. The fans today were so idiotic for doing those things.

Criticizing GV does not mean I agree with fans booing him...both parties can be at fault. But he needs to be able to avoid screaming at them in between critical FTs. That was juvenile, ignorant, and inexcusable. And if there are people yelling racist remarks, they need to be removed from Comcast Center. That just can't be tolerated. But, is there any confirmation that he was responding to racist comments?

[Dr. FLK]

Vasquez is this team. I want him to do whatever gets him motivated to play. If that is get angry at a portion of the crowd, then I'm fine with it.

And that's why they are perennial NIT fodder.

[Mackus]

And that's why they are perennial NIT fodder.No its not, don't be ridiculous.

They are in the state they are right now because he doesn't have enough talent around him. But he's an All-ACC caliber player. He's John Gilchrist without the meltdown; the best player we've had since Dixon, Blake and Baxter left.

[baltosravns2110]

I think Vasquez is maybe the Greatest player to play here in the last 10 years, It is just hard to go through his antics. He is tough to take but definitely a dominating player. You could argue a few others but one of the greatest IMO, even over Dixon at some facets of the game. Even though it gives me goosebumps posting this I think it is true.

[Dr. FLK]

No its not, don't be ridiculous.

They are in the state they are right now because he doesn't have enough talent around him. But he's an All-ACC caliber player. He's John Gilchrist without the meltdown; the best player we've had since Dixon, Blake and Baxter left.

That's what I meant. If he had more talent around him, he wouldn't be "the team".

[PaulBako]

That's what I meant. If he had more talent around him, he wouldn't be "the team".

If only Gary could recruit better. :(

[Dr. FLK]

If only Gary could recruit better. :(

UMD should send Gary and Fridge to a "Recruiting 101" class...:D

[Mackus]

UMD should send Gary and Fridge to a "Recruiting 101" class...:DShould be taught by Brenda Frese.

[ccbird]

Well one thing in this whole thing that bothers me is Vas doesn't have a problem reveling in the spotlight when people are heaping praise on him. So have some thick skin and stop getting so defensive when people are displeased when you play bad. He has made it known that this is his team and he expects to be the go to guy so you got to be able to take both sides of what comes with that responsibility.

[Danielos38]

There are some racists in the crowd that just say those things.

Can you provide any credible evidence saying that there were people yelling racist things? Your only response to people asking for links has been "there are some racists in the crowd that just say those things". Were you at the game? Did you hear them yourself? If you were there explain that. If you have no evidence of racist comments, then stop posting that Greivis was responding to racists. I'd like to know what the actual reason that Greivis flipped out was.

/rant

I usually love Greivis' enthusiasm and passion. BUT, in this circumstance he needs to shut up and play. He can't be yelling at the crowd during some of the most important free throws of the game. I don't even care that he made them. It makes him, UMD, and the fans all look bad when he does something that stupid. If Greivis could channel all his energy to be completely positive, he'd be a really special player, and the Terps would really have a shot at going somewhere.

[Fairfax Bird]

I don't like posting in this forum due to the overwhelming negativity of spoiled fans, but... just when I wanna leave they drag me back in.

You never ever..... boo your own players when they're trying. Never. You're not a fan if you do... period. And that's from someone who's not particularly a Grevis fan - I've posted many times about his terrible shot selection and the fact that I don't think he'll make it in the NBA.

But to boo him when he's trying - and there's never been any question about his effort and desire... you're not worthy of being Maryland fans. And your reactions are more damaging than anything Grevis did. How does it look to the rest of the team and to potential recruits when Maryland fans boo their own player? It looks bad, because it stinks.


Agree 1000%

[Fairfax Bird]

As I said before, this team would be lucky to win 10 games if it were not for Grevis. The team is terrible, and Grevis is our only good player.

For all of you who bad mouth Grevis, and seem to love Eric Hayes:

Let's compare stats.

PPG:

Grevis: 18.1
Eric: 9.7

APG:

Grevis: 4.8
Eric: 3.4

3P%:

Grevis: .341
Eric: .333

RPG:

Grevis: 6.4
Eric: 3.4

BPG:

Grevis: 0.4
Eric: 0.1

SPG:

Grevis: 1.6
Eric: 1.4

FG%:

Grevis: .420
Hayes: .407

I don't understand when people bash Grevis and praise Eric Hayes. Even though Grevuis does everything better than Eric Hayes.

I have nothing against Eric, he's a fine player. But I wonder why people love him so much.

Do people not like Grevis because of his skin color?


Don't accuse people of such things, it is totally uncalled for. Don't compare stats when the two players are asked to do different things. It's fine to compare shooting percentages. But Vazquez is asked to score, rebound, do other things that Hayes is not asked to do. Hayes is more of a role player and Vazquez is the star. Vazquez also thinks in terms of me, which is why I don't like him as a basketball player. It has nothing to do with skin color or his actual game (other than his decision making which is often motivated by the me factor), it is his mind-set.

[EddieO's21]

As I said before, this team would be lucky to win 10 games if it were not for Grevis. The team is terrible, and Grevis is our only good player.

For all of you who bad mouth Grevis, and seem to love Eric Hayes:

Let's compare stats.

PPG:

Grevis: 18.1
Eric: 9.7

APG:

Grevis: 4.8
Eric: 3.4

3P%:

Grevis: .341
Eric: .333

RPG:

Grevis: 6.4
Eric: 3.4

BPG:

Grevis: 0.4
Eric: 0.1

SPG:

Grevis: 1.6
Eric: 1.4

FG%:

Grevis: .420
Hayes: .407

I don't understand when people bash Grevis and praise Eric Hayes. Even though Grevuis does everything better than Eric Hayes.

I have nothing against Eric, he's a fine player. But I wonder why people love him so much.

Do people not like Grevis because of his skin color?

I seriously hope you did not mean to write this or actually think this is even a possibility. Such a statement has no place on this board imo and frankly is completely ludicrous.

I have been thinking of this since yesterday, and in my original post I mentioned that I did not know whether booing him was appropriate. While I can see why fans are frusterated, it is completely arrogant and ill-advised to boo any college athlete. They aren't paid, this isn't their job, and really, they are just kids.

Now, was Grevis in the wrong for confronting the crowd for their antics. Of course. Do I like Grevis as a basketball player if I am being completely honest? Not really. But as long as he is a terp, and my blood bleeds that red, gold and black; I'll be rooting for them every step of the way. (mind you, I'll be shouting expletives with each step)

But what Grevis needs to learn is Patience, humility, timing, and when to shoot the damn ball. There I said it. The last one really erks me.

Also, Grevis is not this team. This team is made up of everyone, not just one player. And if even in the remote second that it does become about one player with these in game emotional issues, the terps are doomed to another NIT bid, or worse. Once Grevis realizes that last night was how MD needs to win their games in the ACC, even when he doesn't play well, the terps will be better off.

[Dr. FLK]

I don't understand when people bash Grevis and praise Eric Hayes. Even though Grevuis does everything better than Eric Hayes.

I have nothing against Eric, he's a fine player. But I wonder why people love him so much.

Do people not like Grevis because of his skin color?

1. I haven't read many - if ANY - praise of Eric Hayes by people who "bash Vazquez.

2. Yeah...that's how to win an argument. Accuse all those who disagree with you of being racist. Well done. The criticism of him certainly doesn't come from his reckless play, careless shot selection, or our of control ego. The guy has a lot of talent for sure...just imagine how much better he could be if he learned how to harness it. Maybe his Turnover numbers would come down...to those of your boy Hayes.

I don't know if you meant to play the "race card", but that's the 2nd time you've dropped that bomb in this thread.