Lost 1/28 "Jughead" [Archive] - Orioles Hangout Community

DuffMan

01-28-2009, 07:56 AM

Here's a preview for tonights episode, highlight below to read the write up.
Desmond goes in search of a woman who could be the key to helping Faraday stop the island's erratic movements through time, and Locke discoverrs the identity of the unknown forces who have been attacking the survivors.

Sounds like alot is going to be happening tonight based on the write up. Should be another great episode with more questions and maybe a few more answers.

NewMarketSean

01-28-2009, 10:09 AM

So he finds out the indentity of the smoke monster? Or the people who were shooting the flaming arrows at everyone in the last episode?

My bet is on the latter.

DuffMan

01-28-2009, 10:16 AM

So he finds out the indentity of the smoke monster? Or the people who were shooting the flaming arrows at everyone in the last episode?

My bet is on the latter.

I agree with you on it being the latter, and my guess is it involves people working for Whidmore.

Danielos38

01-28-2009, 11:21 PM

nemO821

01-28-2009, 11:46 PM

So does Locke telling Richard who he was explain why he went to see him before? Does anyone remember if a compass was one of the objects that Richard asked Locke to choose from?

PaulFolk

01-28-2009, 11:51 PM

A little slow to start then it really started building. After the "Put down the gun Widmore" line, I just laughed out of pure shock. Just when you think you can make a prediction about something, you can't. No one can tell me that they saw that one coming.
Um...ahem! (raises hand) From last week's thread...

BTW, did anyone else think that the guy who captured Sawyer and Juliet at the end was a young Charles Widmore? His accent sounded the same, and it's a good bet that Widmore once lived on the island.

So...don't tell me what I can't do. (to quote Locke) :D:D

Danielos38

01-29-2009, 12:43 AM

Um...ahem! (raises hand) From last week's thread...

Wow. Extremely impressive prediction. I was away last week so I didn't get to read the thread. I would never have thought that anyone could have predicted that. Rep to you!

OrangeJerseys

01-29-2009, 02:24 AM

So does Locke telling Richard who he was explain why he went to see him before? Does anyone remember if a compass was one of the objects that Richard asked Locke to choose from?

I think it was.

DuffMan

01-29-2009, 08:25 AM

So does Locke telling Richard who he was explain why he went to see him before? Does anyone remember if a compass was one of the objects that Richard asked Locke to choose from?

The compass was one of the objects Locke had to choose and now one has to wonder if that was the one Locke was supposed to pick.

blakesta

01-29-2009, 08:28 AM

Um...ahem! (raises hand) From last week's thread...

So...don't tell me what I can't do. (to quote Locke) :D:D

I do remember you saying you thought it was probably a young Whidmore on the island...

Very nice prediction.

glenn__davis

01-29-2009, 08:33 AM

Nice prediction by PaulFolk!

As much as I love Desmond, I thought this was a bit of a boring episode. (When I say that, I mean boring on the Lost scale, meaning that it was still really good, just not fantastic good.) They're setting things up nicely, though.

DuffMan

01-29-2009, 08:39 AM

So another great episode! Here's a few talking points to help get the ball rolling.

Desmond and Penny have a son, who also happens to be named Charlie, I wonder who he's named after?;)

Penny is worried about Desmond having to return to the island, I wonder if he will have to go back with the Oceanic 6 in order to set things right??

All others are fluent in Latin and have been speaking it since they've been on the Island

I had completely forgotten about Miles and his "powers" or whatever it is you want to call them...

Oxford Denies Farraday has ever worked there and wants to destroy all of his work. Further more his work was funded by Charles Widmore who was revealed to be one of the others!! (that was a great O $#*! moment)

Some big questions that come to this is how did Widmore leave, or was forced to leave does Ben have something to do with this? As for Farraday what happened to his volunteer/gf? Seems to have suffered from some sort of time travel sickness? It sounds like she is still "jumping" when her sister mentioned that just the other day she was talking to their father.

According to Juliet, Richard is old. Just how old, that's the question.

Locke did not want to shoot (who turns out to be Widmore) because that's one of "his" people. It's a good thing he didnt because if he had shot and killed him who knows what would have happened to the whole space/time line. I wonder if thats why Sawyer missed, because that was something that couldn't be changed.

Is Charlotte a goner?? My guess is no at least not yet anyway.

That's all I've got for now, can't wait for next weeks episode!!

cindyluvsbrady

01-29-2009, 10:05 AM

I cried when Desmond said he named his son Charlie!:002_scry:

cindyluvsbrady

01-29-2009, 10:06 AM

Um...ahem! (raises hand) From last week's thread...

So...don't tell me what I can't do. (to quote Locke) :D:D

What can I say?
You are so smart it goes off the charts:):clap3::wedge:

NewMarketSean

01-29-2009, 10:21 AM

Wow... what an episode.

It was weird to see an entire episode without Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun or Sayid.

A little slow to start then it really started building. After the "Put down the gun Widmore" line, I just laughed out of pure shock. Just when you think you can make a prediction about something, you can't. No one can tell me that they saw that one coming.

I think we were discussing that possibility last week. If not, I know I was discussing it with someone outside of this board.

I think the red-head chick could be getting sick because she hasn't found her constant yet (Daniel and Desmond are each others constants).... but I don't think anyone else who is now time traveling has found theirs either.

PaulFolk

01-29-2009, 11:24 AM

As much as I love Desmond, I thought this was a bit of a boring episode. (When I say that, I mean boring on the Lost scale, meaning that it was still really good, just not fantastic good.) They're setting things up nicely, though.
I agree. It was a solid episode, but not mind-blowing like some eps have been. The whole nuclear-bomb thing was sort of a MacGuffin. They made a big deal about what to do with the bomb, then they ended up just getting zapped to a different time before anything happened. I wonder if we'll hear anything about that bomb again.

So who was the girl Other? Daniel said she looked familiar, so I guess we'll be seeing her again in some form.

It's looking like a pretty safe bet that Mrs. Hawkins (the white-haired woman from last week) is Faraday's mother. I wonder how she factors into all of this.

I would like to see a Miles flashback episode at some point. I'm curious about those ghost-whisperer skills of his. (There was a brief Miles flashback last season, when he went to some lady's home and spoke to her dead grandson, but that didn't really explain a lot.)

DuffMan

01-29-2009, 11:49 AM

I agree. It was a solid episode, but not mind-blowing like some eps have been. The whole nuclear-bomb thing was sort of a MacGuffin. They made a big deal about what to do with the bomb, then they ended up just getting zapped to a different time before anything happened. I wonder if we'll hear anything about that bomb again.

Not necessesarily. I was reading somewhere else that mentioned that maybe they did bury the bomb, under the old hatch station.

So who was the girl Other? Daniel said she looked familiar, so I guess we'll be seeing her again in some form.

Charlottes Mother perhaps? Charlotte was born on the island.

Pedro Cerrano

01-29-2009, 12:42 PM

Not necessesarily. I was reading somewhere else that mentioned that maybe they did bury the bomb, under the old hatch station.

Charlottes Mother perhaps? Charlotte was born on the island.

This is very very interesting.

A theory: didn't Charlotte say last week that she had trouble remembering her mom's maiden name? And wasn't Daniel a little TOO big on making sure the bomb was buried?

Maybe, just maybe, Daniel tells them to bury the bomb, they get zapped away to a new time period. Richard appoints Charlotte's mom (back in 1954) to bury the bomb. She gets hurt or something and dies.

Boom, Charlotte can't remember her mom's name and ends up biting it because her mom died back in the day.

Just a thought...

SJA

01-29-2009, 01:13 PM

So who was the girl Other? Daniel said she looked familiar, so I guess we'll be seeing her again in some form.

Charlottes Mother perhaps? Charlotte was born on the island.

Actually, I was thinking that maybe it was Penny's mother...considering that Widmore is on the island with her and they are roughly the same age. However, I don't think we have ever had any information saying that Penny was born on the island...so that puts a little damper on my theory.

GeorgiaBird

01-29-2009, 01:53 PM

Interesting. No clue, but I thought Daniel was interested in that woman because she resembled the woman back in the hospital bed at Oxford that Des was discovering. No clue though.

Paul I do think we can expect to hear more about Mr. Jughead in the future.

GeorgiaBird

01-29-2009, 02:13 PM

Apparently we all need to think outside the box on who the girl with the gun is, although some good thoughts here in the right direction.

DuffMan

01-29-2009, 02:29 PM

Interesting. No clue, but I thought Daniel was interested in that woman because she resembled the woman back in the hospital bed at Oxford that Des was discovering. No clue though.

I had thought of that as well, I would imagine we will see more of her at some point.

NewMarketSean

01-29-2009, 02:55 PM

Apparently we all need to think outside the box on who the girl with the gun is, although some good thoughts here in the right direction.

Ellie (the young blonde Others girl) is a young Ms Hawking. I am 99% absolutely sure of it.

Widmore and Hawking are either married or were married and she may be Penny's mother by Widmore, and Daniel's mother by another man (?) which explains why Charles knows that Daniel's mother is in LA, which is the place where Des met up with Hawking when he was buying Penny's engagement ring and the place where Ben met up with Hawking at the end of "The Lie".

I think.

*takes breath*

PaulFolk

01-29-2009, 03:36 PM

Ellie (the young blonde Others girl) is a young Ms Hawking. I am 99% absolutely sure of it.

Widmore and Hawking are either married or were married and she may be Penny's mother by Widmore, and Daniel's mother by another man (?) which explains why Charles knows that Daniel's mother is in LA, which is the place where Des met up with Hawking when he was buying Penny's engagement ring and the place where Ben met up with Hawking at the end of "The Lie".

I think.

*takes breath*
Good theory. I've read on some discussion boards that Mrs. Hawkings' first name is Eloise. Which shortens to "Ellie" pretty nicely. And remember when Daniel worked at Oxford and had his lab rat run through a maze? The rat was named "Eloise"-- presumably named after his mother.

So it stands to reason that Ellie, Mrs. Hawkins, and Daniel's mother are all the same person.

PaulFolk

01-29-2009, 03:39 PM

This is very very interesting.

A theory: didn't Charlotte say last week that she had trouble remembering her mom's maiden name? And wasn't Daniel a little TOO big on making sure the bomb was buried?

Maybe, just maybe, Daniel tells them to bury the bomb, they get zapped away to a new time period. Richard appoints Charlotte's mom (back in 1954) to bury the bomb. She gets hurt or something and dies.

Boom, Charlotte can't remember her mom's name and ends up biting it because her mom died back in the day.

Just a thought...
Ooh, that's interesting. But didn't Daniel say that no matter what the survivors do when they're jumping through time, they can't change what happened in the past? Of course, he could've been lying about that.

Time parodoxes-- man!

Pedro Cerrano

01-29-2009, 04:47 PM

I'm also betting that Widmore and Ben have a power-struggle to become the next "leader" and that leads to Widmore leaving the island, presumably with Ellie, his lover.

NewMarketSean

01-29-2009, 05:17 PM

Good theory. I've read on some discussion boards that Mrs. Hawkings' first name is Eloise. Which shortens to "Ellie" pretty nicely. And remember when Daniel worked at Oxford and had his lab rat run through a maze? The rat was named "Eloise"-- presumably named after his mother.

So it stands to reason that Ellie, Mrs. Hawkins, and Daniel's mother are all the same person.

Lostpedia is where I saw it.

Tank

01-29-2009, 09:50 PM

Ooh, that's interesting. But didn't Daniel say that no matter what the survivors do when they're jumping through time, they can't change what happened in the past? Of course, he could've been lying about that.

Time parodoxes-- man!

Or he could just think that to be the case and maybe hes wrong.

I think we know what they did with the bomb. Buried it, of course. The hatch anyone? The inputting of the numbers could have something to do with it as well. To keep it from going off somehow?

And I was thinking Ellie was Daniel's mom once he said she looked familiar.

Doyle Hargraves

01-29-2009, 09:54 PM

PaulFolk

01-29-2009, 10:13 PM

Anybody else notice that Desmond's kid is named Charlie? They have me so lost with all the time-jumping and character plots that it could be that Desmond just named his kid after Charlie, or maybe the kid really grows up to be the DriveShaft Charlie.:confused:
Desmond and Penny are in the real world, not on the island, and it's three years after Charlie died. There's no way that's DriveShaft Charlie.

Stacey

01-29-2009, 10:37 PM

Ooh, that's interesting. But didn't Daniel say that no matter what the survivors do when they're jumping through time, they can't change what happened in the past? Of course, he could've been lying about that.

Time parodoxes-- man!

Time travel makes me nervous in shows that I like. It's so tricky. I feel like time travel (and sloppy writing about it) are pretty much what ruined Heroes. I don't think the same thing happen would happen to Lost, but all the jumping around and can they change this and can they do that just makes me nervous! What happens if they jump to a time that falls into the time that they actually were on the island? It's all too much for me.

Tank

01-29-2009, 10:52 PM

Anybody else notice that Desmond's kid is named Charlie? They have me so lost with all the time-jumping and character plots that it could be that Desmond just named his kid after Charlie, or maybe the kid really grows up to be the DriveShaft Charlie.:confused:

They named the kid Charlie because "DriveShaft Charlie" was the reason Penny could find them and put them in the position they are currently in. I think it was a matter of respecting Desmond's friend that saved his life.

Tank

01-29-2009, 10:53 PM

Time travel makes me nervous in shows that I like. It's so tricky. I feel like time travel (and sloppy writing about it) are pretty much what ruined Heroes. I don't think the same thing happen would happen to Lost, but all the jumping around and can they change this and can they do that just makes me nervous! What happens if they jump to a time that falls into the time that they actually were on the island? It's all too much for me.

I'm not worried. They've known from the very beginning what they were going to do. Unlike Heroes, which seems to make things up on the fly.

allstar1579

01-30-2009, 01:40 AM

I'm not worried. They've known from the very beginning what they were going to do. Unlike Heroes, which seems to make things up on the fly.

Just couldn't pass up a chance to smash my poor Heroes could you? :o

allstar1579

01-30-2009, 01:41 AM

They named the kid Charlie because "DriveShaft Charlie" was the reason Penny could find them and put them in the position they are currently in. I think it was a matter of respecting Desmond's friend that saved his life.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if after all the time-shifting that ended up being THE Charlie. They love the circular plots.

cindyluvsbrady

01-30-2009, 08:51 AM

Wouldn't surprise me at all if after all the time-shifting that ended up being THE Charlie. They love the circular plots.

AWWWWW
That would be nice:)
I love Charlie:(

cindyluvsbrady

01-30-2009, 08:53 AM

Tank

01-30-2009, 12:26 PM

Just couldn't pass up a chance to smash my poor Heroes could you? :o

I watch every episode too. But come on, its true.

DuffMan

01-30-2009, 01:34 PM

Wouldn't surprise me at all if after all the time-shifting that ended up being THE Charlie. They love the circular plots.

I highly doubt that, as Paulfolk said

Desmond and Penny are in the real world, not on the island, and it's three years after Charlie died. There's no way that's DriveShaft Charlie.

While I wouldn't be surprised if the real Charlie Pace shows up again in a few episodes, there's no way that he is the baby.

Doyle Hargraves

01-30-2009, 02:08 PM

I highly doubt that, as Paulfolk said

While I wouldn't be surprised if the real Charlie Pace shows up again in a few episodes, there's no way that he is the baby.

I have learned to never say never when it comes to LOST and the ability of TV writers to dream something bizarre up.;)

Who knows, maybe that was a time-traveling Charlie that was on that plane and at Hurley's nut house.

My O's Face

02-01-2009, 03:41 AM

I believe that Clair's son Aaron is the "Smoke Monster".

Now that's a crazy prediction...

My O's Face

02-01-2009, 04:50 AM

I also think that Desmond is "special", because his ability to see the future. Weird thing is I think that it's not seeing the future to him... I think they are memories. He may have done alot of traveling we haven't found out about yet. I'd like to see how they tie together if I'm right.

PaulFolk

02-01-2009, 05:56 PM

I believe that Clair's son Aaron is the "Smoke Monster".

Now that's a crazy prediction...
That is pretty crazy. What do you mean, exactly?

DuffMan

02-02-2009, 09:05 AM

I believe that Clair's son Aaron is the "Smoke Monster".

Now that's a crazy prediction...

That is pretty crazy. What do you mean, exactly?

Please elaborate? Or was this just meant to be a crazy prediction that you don't actually think is true?

My O's Face

02-02-2009, 08:05 PM

Please elaborate? Or was this just meant to be a crazy prediction that you don't actually think is true?

I have nothing to base it on, but it seems that alot of the "answers" are gonna be based off of Aaron.

In the first season there was some hints that he is going to be "Evil". Like the lady that predicted alot of evil things about Clair's baby...

It's just a crazy thought... nothing more.

allstar1579

02-02-2009, 09:47 PM

I have nothing to base it on, but it seems that alot of the "answers" are gonna be based off of Aaron.

In the first season there was some hints that he is going to be "Evil". Like the lady that predicted alot of evil things about Clair's baby...

It's just a crazy thought... nothing more.

Aaron is "Jacob" incarnate, which is why they have to get everyone back to the island, so that he can get back to keep the mystical stuff in check.