Wrestlemania Predictions

[Dipper9]

Okay, there don't seem to be too many rasslin' fans on here, but what the hell. Here are my predictions for matches at Mania 25.

Triple H (with Steph) defends the WWE title (winning it this Sunday) against Randy Orton.
John Cena defends the World Title against CM Punk.
Edge vs Big Show
Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels
Jeff Hardy vs Matt Hardy
Chris Jericho vs Ric Flair (with Mickey Rourke)
Money in the Bank: MVP, Kennedy, Mysterio, Kofi Kingston, Finley, DiBiasi, Rhodes, and a surprise entrant (CHRISTIAN)
Beth Phoenix defends the title (winning it next Monday) against Trish Stratus

Surprise of the night....Christian cashes in his MITB against Cena and becomes the new champ.

So there are my predicted matches. What are yours?

[glenn__davis]

Is Christian leaving TNA?

[Dipper9]

Is Christian leaving TNA?

Already gone.

[Sports Guy]

I think Christian gets involved this weekend and Edge retains the title because of his interference.

Also wouldn't surprise me to see Umaga cost Undertaker this weekend...They have been saying they wanted that to be a feud...Just not sure if that is big enough for Taker at Mania.

[Dipper9]

I think Christian gets involved this weekend and Edge retains the title because of his interference.

Also wouldn't surprise me to see Umaga cost Undertaker this weekend...They have been saying they wanted that to be a feud...Just not sure if that is big enough for Taker at Mania.

I could see Umaga turn face and wrestle Koslov at Mania.

[MCL1021]

How do we get to the Taker/HBK feud? Face vs. face?

I always enjoyed this matchup around the time of the first DX faction, when they had the first Hell In A Cell match.

Since it's WM, I'm sure they'll have some sort of match as in past years (Mayweather/Big Show) (Hogan/Rock) it will probably be something good considering its WM 25.

[Sports Guy]

How do we get to the Taker/HBK feud? Face vs. face?

I always enjoyed this matchup around the time of the first DX faction, when they had the first Hell In A Cell match.

Since it's WM, I'm sure they'll have some sort of match as in past years (Mayweather/Big Show) (Hogan/Rock) it will probably be something good considering its WM 25.

Thats where Rourke vs Jericho comes in...Flair guest ref or in Rourke's corner..something like that.

[Dipper9]

Thats where Rourke vs Jericho comes in...Flair guest ref or in Rourke's corner..something like that.

I had another thought, thanks in part to Kevin Eck of the Sun.

What if Cena comes in as Flair and Rourke's man, making a Jericho/Cena Mania Title match? That would be better than Cena vs Punk, and much better than seeing Rourke wrestle. Plus, as much as I love Naitch, I'd hate for him to unretire one year after retiring.

[Sports Guy]

I had another thought, thanks in part to Kevin Eck of the Sun.

What if Cena comes in as Flair and Rourke's man, making a Jericho/Cena Mania Title match? That would be better than Cena vs Punk, and much better than seeing Rourke wrestle. Plus, as much as I love Naitch, I'd hate for him to unretire one year after retiring.

Jericho/Cena is played out...Punk/Cena isn't large enough for WM25.

[tylerfrombelair]

Cena vs Jericho with Flair guest referee

Triple H vs Orton with Vince involved in some way

MITB MVP, Kozlov, Punk, DiBiase, Rhodes, and Christian

Edge vs Taker

JBL vs HBK

Beth Pheonix vs Trish Stratus

Matt Hardy vs Jeff Hardy

[Sports Guy]

Cena vs Jericho with Flair guest referee

Triple H vs Orton with Vince involved in some way

MITB MVP, Kozlov, Punk, DiBiase, Rhodes, and Christian

Edge vs Taker

JBL vs HBK

Beth Pheonix vs Trish Stratus

Matt Hardy vs Jeff Hardy

Too played out...Was the WM match last year as well.

Don't be surprised to see Taker/HHH...They need a major match for this year's WM and that is arguably the best one they could put out there.

A lot will also depend on if Batista can get back in time but that is probably not happening...if he can, Batista/Cena will probably happen.

[Sports Guy]

Austin will have some role as well I am sure...beyond being inducted.

[tylerfrombelair]

Wow, im quite shocked that WWE brought Christian back on ECW, would of thought he would figure into the Hardy saga but I guess Vince wants Christian to be the main guy in ECW now that Matt Hardy left.

[Dipper9]

Wow, im quite shocked that WWE brought Christian back on ECW, would of thought he would figure into the Hardy saga but I guess Vince wants Christian to be the main guy in ECW now that Matt Hardy left.

The guys who have ready set feuds for Christian are already involved in Mania feuds. Edge is the Champ and will be involved with either Trips or Show at Mania. Matt and Jeff will be facing each other at Mania. Jericho is involved in some way with Flair.Rourke for Mania. That leaves the returning Cristian without his main old arch rivals to pick fights with. So they bring him in to the ECW title first. Let him regain his WWE timing back. By summer he'll drop the ECW title and be on Smackdown and we'll have tons of matches to look forward to involving Jeff, Matt, Edge, and Christian. Throw MVP and Kennedy in for fun and we've got a new Smackdown Six!

I fully expect Trips back on Raw full time after the draft in June.

[MCL1021]

The guys who have ready set feuds for Christian are already involved in Mania feuds. Edge is the Champ and will be involved with either Trips or Show at Mania. Matt and Jeff will be facing each other at Mania. Jericho is involved in some way with Flair.Rourke for Mania. That leaves the returning Cristian without his main old arch rivals to pick fights with. So they bring him in to the ECW title first. Let him regain his WWE timing back. By summer he'll drop the ECW title and be on Smackdown and we'll have tons of matches to look forward to involving Jeff, Matt, Edge, and Christian. Throw MVP and Kennedy in for fun and we've got a new Smackdown Six!

I fully expect Trips back on Raw full time after the draft in June.

HHH has almost become an afterthought on that show. You know he's dying to get back to RAW.

[MCL1021]

Austin will have some role as well I am sure...beyond being inducted.


I too wonder, other than the induction, you haven't really heard about any plans for him. It's a shame he's had all those injuries. He was my favorite even back a long time ago in WCW, would have been cool to see him still going against HHH, and Big Show, or Orton or Cena.

[MCL1021]

Jericho/Cena is played out...Punk/Cena isn't large enough for WM25.

They should just turn Cena heel, half the crowd hates his Mr.Clean/All American image...he'd kill if somehow he could turn heel.

[Sports Guy]

HHH just won...I wonder if him and Cena will switch and you will see Cena/Taker and HHH/Orton at WM?

[Dipper9]

HHH just won...I wonder if him and Cena will switch and you will see Cena/Taker and HHH/Orton at WM?

They just pulled the swerve...Edge won the Raw Chamber Match. Trips/Orton and Edge/Cena at Mania????

That leaves open the Taker/Michaels match!

[Sports Guy]

They just pulled the swerve...Edge won the Raw Chamber Match. Trips/Orton and Edge/Cena at Mania????

That leaves open the Taker/Michaels match!

As soon as Edge entered, I knew he would win.

Edge/Cena is really played out.

The draft isn't until after Mania but I bet something happens where Edge or HHH say their contract for smackdown is up and they are coming to Raw...That is most likely the case for HHH. Although, they could just have Orton/HHH and be done with that, even with HHH on Smackdown.

At this point, I have no idea what they will be doing with Edge, Cena, JBL, Michaels or Taker for Mania.

[My O's Face]

Predictions:

CM Punk beats Santino

Austin beats Jericho

Money In The Bank:
John Morrison wins over Mysterio, MVP, Benjamon, & Christian.

J. Hardy beats M. Hardy

Taker beats HBK

Cena beats Edge

Triple H beats Orton



Take it for what it's worth....

[HoodGuy007]

As great of a match as Taker/Michaels would be, there is zero play for it, unless they go with a Mr. Wrestlemania v. the undefeated streak.

Cena has to be in the match, but I would much rather watch Kennedy, MVP, or THE Brian Kendrick (seriously, I hate Cena). Christian in a feud with Kennedy would be awesome, just to get both of their careers rebooted in WWE.

Hardy v Hardy

HHH traded for Edge (their "wives" trade them for each other) before mania.

HHH v. Orton

Edge v Kozlov (?)

Jericho v jobber schmuck

MITB with Morrison, Miz, Benjamin, MVP, Bourne, Kingston

Christian v. Swagger

CM Punk v. whoever

Women's match

Taker v. Michaels

[Dipper9]

Okay, there don't seem to be too many rasslin' fans on here, but what the hell. Here are my predictions for matches at Mania 25.

Triple H (with Steph) defends the WWE title (winning it this Sunday) against Randy Orton.
John Cena defends the World Title against CM Punk.
Edge vs Big Show
Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels
Jeff Hardy vs Matt Hardy
Chris Jericho vs Ric Flair (with Mickey Rourke)
Money in the Bank: MVP, Kennedy, Mysterio, Kofi Kingston, Finley, DiBiasi, Rhodes, and a surprise entrant (CHRISTIAN)
Beth Phoenix defends the title (winning it next Monday) against Trish Stratus

Surprise of the night....Christian cashes in his MITB against Cena and becomes the new champ.

So there are my predicted matches. What are yours?

I am gonna take a second stab, after thinking about this some more...

I am sticking with these...

Trips defends vs Orton
Hardy vs Hardy
Beth vs Trish
Take vs Michaels

Newbies...

Edge defends the title vs Rey Mysterio vs The Big Show in a Triple Threat Match
Cena vs THE ROCK
Jericho vs Stone Cold Steve Austin
MITB: JBL vs Punk vs Morrison vs DiBiasi vs Rhodes vs Kane vs Finley vs Kennedy
US Title: Benjamin vs MVP
ECW Title: Swaggar vs Christian

[Sports Guy]

The Rock definitely isn't happening.

Edge vs The Big Show is possible...They have building that up a little bit.

EDIT: Based off of the first segment on Raw, Cena/Edge may be happening...AGAIN! That would be a bad decision IMO.

Taker/Michaels looks very likely now as well.

[My O's Face]

Predictions:

CM Punk beats Santino

Austin beats Jericho

Money In The Bank:
John Morrison wins over Mysterio, MVP, Benjamon, & Christian.

J. Hardy beats M. Hardy

Taker beats HBK

Cena beats Edge

Triple H beats Orton



Take it for what it's worth....

Looks like I may be right. I think there might be a Taker/HBK/JBL 3-way

[Dipper9]

Looks like I may be right. I think there might be a Taker/HBK/JBL 3-way

That would be a HUGE mistake. I like JBL more than most, but its Mania 25...you gotta go with the dream matchup of Taker / HBK. We haven't seen this since around Mania 14 timeframe. Its fresh, both guys are legends. Its gotta be one on one. Keep JBL out of it.

I think with his speaking ability, its time for JBL to become a manager and take some young chap to the top.

SG...I was kidding with the Rock thing. Cena has blasted him every chance he gets because of Cena's perception that Rock turned his back on the wrestling fans. It would be pretty cool if it was all a storyline to set up a match, but the time isn't right for that. Rock is too successful in Hollywood.

The top three matches are pretty much set with Cena/Edge, Trips/Orton, and Taker/HBK. Give me Austin as Jericho's opponent and I could care less about the rest of the card.

[tylerfrombelair]

Also wouldnt be suprised if Hogan comes to wrestle Jericho at WM 25.

[Sports Guy]

Also wouldnt be suprised if Hogan comes to wrestle Jericho at WM 25.

Yea, i guess I could see how this is possible, especially since they are really trying to push this legends angle and I know they did ask Hogan about a Hogan/Austin match for Mania 25.

They have to do something large.

I am just disappointed by Cena/Edge...That rivalry must have gotten a lot of play with the fans..good ratings, etc....because that is really played out.

[Sports Guy]

http://www.prowrestling.com/article/news/11566

Here is talk of Cena/Hogan.

I guess maybe Cena gets his rematch with Edge and doesn't win.

Edge/Big Show makes sense.

Cena/Hogan would be huge...I am sure Cena definitely wins though.

[Dipper9]

http://www.prowrestling.com/article/news/11566

Here is talk of Cena/Hogan.

I guess maybe Cena gets his rematch with Edge and doesn't win.

Edge/Big Show makes sense.

Cena/Hogan would be huge...I am sure Cena definitely wins though.

I can't see them doing two legends matches, ie Cena/Hogan and Jericho/Austin? That would be pretty sweet though for the 25th Edition! You could also do the much anticipated Cena heal turn that the world has been waiting for. :scratchchinhmm:

[Sports Guy]

I can't see them doing two legends matches, ie Cena/Hogan and Jericho/Austin? That would be pretty sweet though for the 25th Edition! You could also do the much anticipated Cena heal turn that the world has been waiting for. :scratchchinhmm:
Yea, they could turn Cena heal.

Not sure where you are getting the Austin/Jericho stuff though...Austin can't really wrestle.

If he were wrestling, it would have been the Hogan/Austin match they wanted to do for WM25.

[tylerfrombelair]

Yea, they could turn Cena heal.

Not sure where you are getting the Austin/Jericho stuff though...Austin can't really wrestle.

If he were wrestling, it would have been the Hogan/Austin match they wanted to do for WM25.

Idk, about the whole Cena turning heel thing, WWE has made it clear that they want to appeal more to the PG crowd and thats where Cena gets all of his fans.. the 16 and under crowd. Although his gimmick is getting a little old, its probably best for the WWE to keep there cash cow a face.

The one thing i wish the WWE would get rid of is the dumb Legacy group. Orton to me is the best wrestler in the WWE right now and doesn't need mid carders to to sit by his side... makes him look like a wuss.

[Sports Guy]

Idk, about the whole Cena turning heel thing, WWE has made it clear that they want to appeal more to the PG crowd and thats where Cena gets all of his fans.. the 16 and under crowd. Although his gimmick is getting a little old, its probably best for the WWE to keep there cash cow a face.

The one thing i wish the WWE would get rid of is the dumb Legacy group. Orton to me is the best wrestler in the WWE right now and doesn't need mid carders to to sit by his side... makes him look like a wuss.

Well, those 2 won't be mid carders for long, especially Dibiase...They view him as one of the next great stars...Even some talk that Undertaker would job to Dibiase at a future Mania to really put him over.

[MCL1021]

Yea, they could turn Cena heal.

Not sure where you are getting the Austin/Jericho stuff though...Austin can't really wrestle.

If he were wrestling, it would have been the Hogan/Austin match they wanted to do for WM25.

Or they could do a face vs. face with Cena/Hogan, although I'll be cringing having to watch Hogan try to move around the ring.

Jericho/Austin seems interesting...they keep teasing as if it would go down like that. Jericho beats down the HOF's, Austin is going to be a HOF the night before WM. Apparently Austin's been on a ridiculous workout regiment, of course he is preparing for a movie soon, but still.

[Dipper9]

Yea, they could turn Cena heal.

Not sure where you are getting the Austin/Jericho stuff though...Austin can't really wrestle.

If he were wrestling, it would have been the Hogan/Austin match they wanted to do for WM25.

Austin said he would not work with Hogan because of Hogan's ego. Although the idea of one last Austin match is remote, he has gone o record as saying that the ONLY man he would trust with his neck is Chris Jericho. And stranger things have happened...remember we thought we'd never see HBK wrestle again after Mania 14, but he has had a great return for the past 7 years.


Well, those 2 won't be mid carders for long, especially Dibiase...They view him as one of the next great stars...Even some talk that Undertaker would job to Dibiase at a future Mania to really put him over.


DiBiasi looks like he's the real deal. He can talk, wrestle, looks comfortable in the ring, has "the look" and pulled out that new finisher last week, turning the Million Dollar Dream into a Rock Botton type move. Pretty sweet. If somebody HAS to beat Taker (which I hope they never do) then DiBiasi would be a good choice.

As for Legacy, remember Orton and Batista were relatively unknowns when Evolution began, and now they are two of the top stars in the spor...er...industry.

[Dipper9]

I think the WWE blew it. Big time!

Jericho's current storyline with the legends is awesome, but there are only a few outcomes to this. One, Flair unretires and wrestles him. That would make his match with Michaels last year meanigless and the entire Flair Appreciation on Raw the next night would also be tainted. 2) They can have some lesser "legend" such as the King step up to challenge Jericho. This would just be a huge letdown. Or 3) they could have a current wrestler stand up for the old timers by promising to shut Jericho's mouth. This would also be a letdown in my book. At this point, the ONLY thing that can save this angle is if Stone Cold himself is the man to take on Jericho. That would be insanely awesome, but I just don't see it happening.

That said, there is ONE man that could have paid this angle off huge. He is a legend in his own right, but still active. He is a man who spent half the year feuding with Jericho, so not only would the Mania match be a legends angle payoff, but it would also be the final payoff to their 2008 feud of the year. One match would have completed this angle perfectly....Jericho vs HBK at Mania 25!

Instead, the WWE had their minds set on this Taker-HBK match (which will be good, but could have waited for next year) which leaves Jericho's legends angle with no good payoff. There is only one thing that will save this angle....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFb9WhlGzn4

[slowey404]

Taker and Michaels is happening this year since they are both from Texas and could be one of their last Wrestlemania.

I see Jericho taking on Batista, Jericho does something to Flair on Raw and Big Dave steps to the plate to defend his friend. Rumors he been training and WWE watched a match between and a FCW wrestler with in the past week

Still with out a match
Rey Mysterio
JBL (IC Champ)
Kozlov
Legacy ( You would think that they would do something with them)
Jack Swagger (ECW Champ)
Evan Bourne


The Tag Champs The Colons and Miz and Morrison
I see an unifaction match at Wrestlemania for the Tag Titles, Since with their Smackdown matches past week

Only 3 weeks

[Dipper9]

Taker and Michaels is happening this year since they are both from Texas and could be one of their last Wrestlemania.

I see Jericho taking on Batista, Jericho does something to Flair on Raw and Big Dave steps to the plate to defend his friend. Rumors he been training and WWE watched a match between and a FCW wrestler with in the past week

Still with out a match
Rey Mysterio
JBL (IC Champ)
Kozlov
Legacy ( You would think that they would do something with them)
Jack Swagger (ECW Champ)
Evan Bourne


The Tag Champs The Colons and Miz and Morrison
I see an unifaction match at Wrestlemania for the Tag Titles, Since with their Smackdown matches past week

Only 3 weeks

If Batista is ready, he would make the perfect guy to stand up for the legends. I'll give you that! IF he's ready. I'd still rather have Stone Cold.

Legacy will second Orton, which is enough for them. I agree about your title unification tag match.

If it was me, I'd round out the card with this...

Jericho vs Austin (if he can't go, I really like your Batista idea.)
Tag Title Unification: Colons vs Miz/Morrison
ECW Title: Swaggar vs Tommy Dreamer. Give the guy one last spotlight match.
Legacy vs Mysterio and Bourne
IC Title: JBL vs Umaga vs Koslov vs Khali (it would be an awful match, but at least we'd get the IC title defended at Mania)

Add that to the already established:

HHH vs Orton
Edge vs Cena vs Big Show
MITB: Henry vs Kane vs Christian vs Kingston vs MVP vs Punk vs Benjamin vs Finley
HBK vs Taker
Hardy vs Hardy
25 Diva Battle Royal

[slowey404]

I do like you Stone Cold idea, I Originally thought that one but I don't see it anymore. I see him being the special ref though.

I could see an Evan Bourne vs. Jack Swagger ECW Championship match, Fans love Bourne and what better way to bring him back then challenge Jack Swagger for the title.
If not I could see them have Bourne and Rey tag to take on Miz and Morrison for the title.

This could be JBL last match at Wrestlemania, so I don't think WWE would put him in that match, it would be horrible.

[Dipper9]

I do like you Stone Cold idea, I Originally thought that one but I don't see it anymore. I see him being the special ref though.

I could see an Evan Bourne vs. Jack Swagger ECW Championship match, Fans love Bourne and what better way to bring him back then challenge Jack Swagger for the title.
If not I could see them have Bourne and Rey tag to take on Miz and Morrison for the title.

This could be JBL last match at Wrestlemania, so I don't think WWE would put him in that match, it would be horrible.

I think Borne and Mysterio vs Miz/Morrison makes a lot of sense, but they've been feuding with the Colons over the Bella twins for so long now, that payoff at Mania for the Bellas AND the tag unification makes too much sense. You could always do Swagger/Bourne and JBL/Mysterio to round it out.

[slowey404]

What are your predictions for the already confirmed matches
I have it as

HHH over Orton
Cena over Edge and Show
Taker over HBK (Going to steal the show)
MVP winning MITB him or Christian
Trish being crowned Miss Wrestlemaina, eventually elimating Beth Phoniex

[Dipper9]

What are your predictions for the already confirmed matches
I have it as

HHH over Orton
Cena over Edge and Show
Taker over HBK (Going to steal the show)
MVP winning MITB him or Christian
Trish being crowned Miss Wrestlemaina, eventually elimating Beth Phoniex

Hard to argue your winners.

I can see Orton getting the win by DQ to set up a rematch at Backlash, and then to set up a HHH, Vince, Shane vs Legacy 6 man in May.

I'd like to see Cena gets screwed somehow, so that Christian can win MITB and challenge Edge.

Taker obviously over HBK, but they'll make many false finishes to make us think HBK is breaking the streak.

I also like Trish winning the Battle Royal.

I am also fairly confident that regardless of who Jericho wrestles, that we'll see Flair, Steamboat, Piper, and Snuka all come down and whoop his arse at some point in the match, with the finale being Flair slapping on the figure four and making Jericho tap. That will be the final payoff to this thing!

[Dipper9]

There are some decent matches on the card, don'e get me wrong, but this thing doesn't look any different than any other PPV throughout the year. Where are the WrestleMania worthy matches?????

I would have went with the following card:

1. Jericho vs HBK (legends payoff and 2008 Feud of the Year payoff) Flair turns on HBK to give Jericho the win, and a new Horseman-like stable is started by Flair and Jericho.
2. Hardy vs Hardy in a TLC Match
3. Edge vs Triple H for the World Championship
4. Randy Orton vs the Undertaker for the WWE Championship (Orton breaks the streak)
5. Tag Team Championship Unification Match: Colons vs Miz/Morrison
6. Women's Title Unification Match: Maryse vs Melina (Trish Stratus special ref)
7. John Cena vs Hulk Hogan (I know Hulk has become a money hungry ass, and he can barely move right now, but this still would have been MONEY)
8. MITB: Christian vs Mysterio vs Bourne vs MVP vs Shelton vs Kofi vs Punk vs Finley
9. Intercontinental Championship: JBL vs William Regal
10. Some kind of Battle Royal or something involving the big men...Kane, Henry, Umaga, Khali, Koslov, etc.

In my scenario, you have a Match of the Year in Jericho/HBK WITH a huge angle coming out of it with the Flair turn. You have the Hardys in a match that they helped invent, the TLC. You have Trips vs Edge in one title match in which their feud is not yet to stale. In the other title match you've got the Streak of the Undertaker finally broken. You are unifying two titles so that those Champions can then defend on any show. You've got a special appearance by Trish. You've got the real Hulk Hogan vs the 2000 edition of the Hulkster. My MITB has guys that can work and fly. Its a little bit for everybody. The WWE's version...the real version...just looks like any other PPV.

[slowey404]

I agree, I really do think the WWE is going to blow Wrestlemaina. The Y2J angle had so much more potential.

WWE Title Randy Orton vs HHH ( Happened before at Wrestlemaina)

World Title Edge vs Show vs Cena ( Decent story line)

HBK vs Taker ( I wish the build up was better)

Hardy vs Hardy (Decent story line)

Intercontinental Title JBL vs Rey ( No storyline what so ever)

MITB Finlay vs. MVP vs. Shelton Benjamin vs. Kane vs. CM Punk vs. Kofi Kingston vs. Mark Henry vs. Christian Cage (It will have it spots but not the right wrestlers involved)

Chris Jericho vs. Jimmy Snuka, Roddy Piper and Ricky Steamboat (Jericho deserves better on this one, I hope Austin or Batista end up being his opponent)

Tag Title vs Tag Title Miz Morrison vs Colons ( It should be a good match, good storyline build up)

[Sports Guy]

I agree, I really do think the WWE is going to blow Wrestlemaina. The Y2J angle had so much more potential. It did if they could get Hogan or Austin but obviously they couldn't, so it has fallen very flat.


WWE Title Randy Orton vs HHH ( Happened before at Wrestlemaina)
This is a real biggie though...About as big a feud as they could have right now, especially with Batista out.

World Title Edge vs Show vs Cena ( Decent story line)Will be better if they give Show the title....Getting stale with the same people with the belt.


HBK vs Taker ( I wish the build up was better)Its getting there.


Intercontinental Title JBL vs Rey ( No storyline what so ever) JBL is done at WM....He is going to retire. He is going to win with the belt and be the only guy ever to hold all these different championships...Also, going to retire a champ.


MITB Finlay vs. MVP vs. Shelton Benjamin vs. Kane vs. CM Punk vs. Kofi Kingston vs. Mark Henry vs. Christian Cage (It will have it spots but not the right wrestlers involved)WWE trying to push more names.

[Sports Guy]

There are some decent matches on the card, don'e get me wrong, but this thing doesn't look any different than any other PPV throughout the year. Where are the WrestleMania worthy matches?????

I would have went with the following card:

1. Jericho vs HBK (legends payoff and 2008 Feud of the Year payoff) Flair turns on HBK to give Jericho the win, and a new Horseman-like stable is started by Flair and Jericho.
2. Hardy vs Hardy in a TLC Match
3. Edge vs Triple H for the World Championship
4. Randy Orton vs the Undertaker for the WWE Championship (Orton breaks the streak)
5. Tag Team Championship Unification Match: Colons vs Miz/Morrison
6. Women's Title Unification Match: Maryse vs Melina (Trish Stratus special ref)
7. John Cena vs Hulk Hogan (I know Hulk has become a money hungry ass, and he can barely move right now, but this still would have been MONEY)
8. MITB: Christian vs Mysterio vs Bourne vs MVP vs Shelton vs Kofi vs Punk vs Finley
9. Intercontinental Championship: JBL vs William Regal
10. Some kind of Battle Royal or something involving the big men...Kane, Henry, Umaga, Khali, Koslov, etc.

In my scenario, you have a Match of the Year in Jericho/HBK WITH a huge angle coming out of it with the Flair turn. You have the Hardys in a match that they helped invent, the TLC. You have Trips vs Edge in one title match in which their feud is not yet to stale. In the other title match you've got the Streak of the Undertaker finally broken. You are unifying two titles so that those Champions can then defend on any show. You've got a special appearance by Trish. You've got the real Hulk Hogan vs the 2000 edition of the Hulkster. My MITB has guys that can work and fly. Its a little bit for everybody. The WWE's version...the real version...just looks like any other PPV.
HBK/Jericho is ridiculously played out at this point.

[Dipper9]

Will be better if they give Show the title....Getting stale with the same people with the belt.


JBL is done at WM....He is going to retire. He is going to win with the belt and be the only guy ever to hold all these different championships...Also, going to retire a champ.

.

I love Big Show. Always have. He is comic gold when they let him. He is also the dominant big man when they let him. This goofy tweener they have him playing now I do not like. I hope he snaps at Mania and destroys both guys and takes the title. An unstoppable Big Show title run could take them through the summer until they hand pick someone to take the title from his at Summerslam. But I don't think they will do that. We'll be stuck with either another Cena title run or an Edge victory, which would probably then lead to a one on one with either Show or Cena at Backlash.

JBL is not the greatest mat technician in the world, but I love his stiff style and his character. I would love to see him retire as the IC Champ, and then have a good old fashioned IC title tournament to crown the new champion. A post match reuinion with Simmons would be a great way to send off JBL.

I love Triple H's character but his matches bore me. I cannot stand Orton, but admit he's got some serious heat right now.

I know Jericho/HBK was done many times in 2008, but look at what we're left with...a months long angle with your top bad guy ending in a match with 3 old timers? Maybe its just Snuka that is bringing it down, as Piper and Steamboat could probably still entertain, but Snuka looks like an old man. Jericho deserves better than this. And we all know its gonna end with the old timers getting beat down, Austin making the "stunning" save, and Flair and Rourke finishing the job on Jericho. Fine. I'm sure the ending will be entertaining, but the match will suck and they should have used somebody besides their top heel to put in this type of crap. If they didn't have a good opponent for Jericho, then they should have planned for a current guy to stick up for the old timers. Batista would have been perfect due to his relationship with Flair, but since he's still hurt, HBK would have been the second best option.

[Sports Guy]

. A post match reuinion with Simmons would be a great way to send off JBL.
He was let go.



I know Jericho/HBK was done many times in 2008, but look at what we're left with...a months long angle with your top bad guy ending in a match with 3 old timers? Maybe its just Snuka that is bringing it down, as Piper and Steamboat could probably still entertain, but Snuka looks like an old man. Jericho deserves better than this. And we all know its gonna end with the old timers getting beat down, Austin making the "stunning" save, and Flair and Rourke finishing the job on Jericho. Fine. I'm sure the ending will be entertaining, but the match will suck and they should have used somebody besides their top heel to put in this type of crap. If they didn't have a good opponent for Jericho, then they should have planned for a current guy to stick up for the old timers. Batista would have been perfect due to his relationship with Flair, but since he's still hurt, HBK would have been the second best option.
Its still not a big deal in the scheme of things at WM.

Only way it would have been made a big deal is if Hogan or Austin fought him...or, a smaller "big deal scale", Rourke.

Other than that, there is really nothing there to speak of.

Michaels/Taker is really the match of WM IMO.

[Dipper9]

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He was let go.



Its still not a big deal in the scheme of things at WM.

Only way it would have been made a big deal is if Hogan or Austin fought him...or, a smaller "big deal scale", Rourke.

Other than that, there is really nothing there to speak of.

Michaels/Taker is really the match of WM IMO.

I know Simmons was let go. He could still make a one shot appearance, just like Trish Stratus and these legends are doing.

Taker / HBK will be great. No arguing that.

Just wish better for Jericho. Perhaps he gets a program with the champ following Mania??? At some point in 2009, I'd love to see programs with Edge vs Christian, Matt Hardy vs Christian, Jeff Hardy and Jericho, and Christian and Jericho.

[Sports Guy]

I know Simmons was let go. He could still make a one shot appearance, just like Trish Stratus and these legends are doing.

Taker / HBK will be great. No arguing that.

Just wish better for Jericho. Perhaps he gets a program with the champ following Mania??? At some point in 2009, I'd love to see programs with Edge vs Christian, Matt Hardy vs Christian, Jeff Hardy and Jericho, and Christian and Jericho.

Why does Jericho deserve that?

He has been in that angle pretty much since he got back.

I can't stand Jericho, so the less in the spotlight he is, the better.

[slowey404]

My thing with the MITB, out of those 8 who would you want to see as a Heavy Weight Champion
Finlay- No thank you unless he challenges for ECW Title
Kofi- I still think to raw to hold that title
Kane- His role is the monster Heel and he does that well
Henry- No thank you unless he challenges for ECW Title
CM Punk- Won it last year, wouldn't mind seeing it again but I doubt it

So out of the 8
3 I see with a shot at winning the Match
Christian-
MVP-
Shelton-


Other Thoughts
JBL should retire has champion, I would preferred to see him be a face and challenge Kozlov. Him being a heel I see Rey sending him into retirement again without the title.

HBK/Taker
Yes the story is getting there. I was intrigued the first time I heard they were talking about it.

HHH/ORTON
It is an amazing storyline. The build up is great. Just don't want to see that match again

Cena/Edge/Show
I agree with Sports Guy and Dipper, love to see Show come out champion, and hold the title until like Summerslam. Titles just change way too much nowadays

[Dipper9]

My thing with the MITB, out of those 8 who would you want to see as a Heavy Weight Champion
Finlay- No thank you unless he challenges for ECW Title
Kofi- I still think to raw to hold that title
Kane- His role is the monster Heel and he does that well
Henry- No thank you unless he challenges for ECW Title
CM Punk- Won it last year, wouldn't mind seeing it again but I doubt it

So out of the 8
3 I see with a shot at winning the Match
Christian-
MVP-
Shelton-


Other Thoughts
JBL should retire has champion, I would preferred to see him be a face and challenge Kozlov. Him being a heel I see Rey sending him into retirement again without the title.

HBK/Taker
Yes the story is getting there. I was intrigued the first time I heard they were talking about it.

HHH/ORTON
It is an amazing storyline. The build up is great. Just don't want to see that match again

Cena/Edge/Show
I agree with Sports Guy and Dipper, love to see Show come out champion, and hold the title until like Summerslam. Titles just change way too much nowadays

Its been a while since Show has held one of the big belts (not counting the ECW title before he left the last time.) He'd be fresh. He'd have a ready made program with Edge as the ex-champ and guy he stole his wife from. He would probably move on to guys like Taker next, then maybe the returning Batista. Those three programs are easily big enough for the World Title and would take us through the summer. Edge still has unsettled feuds with Jeff Hardy and Big Show, and perhaps has Christian waiting for him in the future as well. So I would be okay with him retaining somehow (possibly a swerve with him and Show in cahoots all along?) Cena I'm sure is heading back to RAW, as is both Trips and Orton, so I really hope and pray that Cena doesn't win the title again. He needs to pull a HHH and go a year or two without the belt so that it means something when he wins it again.

I agree with you about the MITB. The three you mentioned are the only possible winners, unless they go Punk again and possibly FINALLY follow through with the fued with Edge where he got screwed out of his World Title. I am going to say the US champ will not win either, and since I read the spoilers for Friday, lets just say I will eliminate both MVP and Shelton just to be safe for those who didn't read. (of course, it appears only Slowey, SG, and myself are even paying attention to this thread! :laughlol: ) My winner for the MITB is Christian, who will challenge Edge at some point later this year, either SummerSlam or Royal Rumble 2010.

JBL will work as the heel in the match, but if they have Simmons return for a post match APA style celebration, that will be an easy way to send him off with the cheers of the crowd....DAMN!

Taker / HBK will be good, but does anyone really believe that HBK will end the streak? No way! The only guys I can see on the current roster who would give fans a second thought of ending the streak would be Orton, DiBiasi, Edge, or possibly even Cena. That would be the final straw to push the fans over the edge, and would be an easy transition for Cena to turn heel, if the WWE ever chooses to go that route.

Overall the card looks good, just not Mania good!

[slowey404]

Edge is do for time off. I could see Batista getting thrown in with the Big Show when he returns.

Cena needs to get out of the title picture for a while.

I wouldn’t mind to see the HHH Orton/Legacy storyline run through some of the spring/summer. It has a very good story line.

I am glad that they are Unifying the Tag Title.
I would love to see the end of the separate roster. But I know that it isn’t happening.

Draft a week after Wrestlemania
The Roster is do for a few shake ups

SG and Dipper any Feuds you like to see after Wrestlemania. I know that each mentioned some

[Dipper9]

Edge is do for time off. I could see Batista getting thrown in with the Big Show when he returns.

Cena needs to get out of the title picture for a while.

I wouldn’t mind to see the HHH Orton/Legacy storyline run through some of the spring/summer. It has a very good story line.

I am glad that they are Unifying the Tag Title.
I would love to see the end of the separate roster. But I know that it isn’t happening.

Draft a week after Wrestlemania
The Roster is do for a few shake ups

SG and Dipper any Feuds you like to see after Wrestlemania. I know that each mentioned some

Edge is due for time off? He just came back from "Hell" in January. :scratchchinhmm:

Feuds after Mania that I'd like to see...

1. Show vs Edge
2. Show vs Taker
3. Show vs Batista
4. Edge vs Jeff Hardy
5. Edge vs Christian
6. Continue Matt vs Jeff
7. 6 man...Trips, Vince, and Shane vs Legacy
8. Miz/Morrison defend the tag titles on Raw and Smackdown
9. Jericho vs Christian
10. IC title tournament. A real one where each match is given 15 minutes. Make the IC title worth something again.
11. I want Flair to lead a new Horseman stable, with Jericho as the main guy.
12. Tag teams. I want to refocus tag teams. Rey/Bourne, Legacy, the new Horsemen, Miz/Morrison, Colons, Cryme Time (hate them), Regal/Finley, or Regal/Burchill, etc.
13. I would have loved to have HBK/Taker built over the next year, with BOTH men saying that Mania 26 is their last one. A retirement match where both legends retire afterwards, regardless of the outcome. As good as Taker/HBK will be this year, it has received very little build. Only about a month. A match of that magnitude could have been played out over the next year, have the blowoff be their final match, instead of the rush job they did this year. You could have had Taker or HBK be the "legend" against Jericho this year instead of the crap they threw out there, and the other guy could have been in another big match. You would have gotten THREE matches out of them instead of one, and then next years finale would have been the retirement of two of the greatest performers in WrestleMania history.

[HoodGuy007]

Miz v. Morrison --- at some point in the next year they have to blow up. They are both too good to be a tag team forever...

That being said, if The Horsemen return, they are perfect.

Also, the feud of the year will be Tyson Kidd v. Evan Bourne. These are two guys who will freaking own either as a tag team, a stable, or as opponents.

[MCL1021]

I'm just not feeling Wrestlemania this year....it all seems rushed judging from looking at how the card is shaping up and the little bit of time I've watched. I was going to go out somewhere and watch it, but I really don't know if I want to now.

The only match I really want to see is Taker/HBK and I wish it had been built up a few more months in advance because they both deserve that.

I kind of like the way Trips and Orton is shaping up...Orton is getting some huge, huge heat right now, so the match should have a lot of excitement from the crowd, just not all that pumped about it. HHH is making himself look like some superhuman being and making Orton look weak...a cage comes out of nowhere on Monday night....HHH starts the match when he wants to, punks Orton while in the cage....HHH is one of my fav's from the last decade, but come on man....

Other thoughts:

I know JBL just won the IC title and he's going to retire and all this....and I know Rey Mysterio had no place on the card up until last Monday, but why does he automatically get a title shot? Why not give Punk another title shot? He is basically just another "name" for MITB.. Everything for the most part other than the main championships are so piss-poorly put together this year...

There's still Tag Championship Belts? There's still tag-teams? I remember when these belts had major time on network air building up the teams...but tag teams are so poor now that no one cares about it.

Other than the top three matches, the card reeks...definitely not the same kind of card they had in Houston the last time Wrestlemania was in town....

[Sports Guy]

And remember what Mania is really going to set up...the draft.

You know the HHH/Orton feud is going to last for a while....Wouldn't be surprised to see HHH go back to Raw and have Michaels get involved as well.

[tylerfrombelair]

It has been rumored before that HHH will move back to RAW after WM 25. He only went to Smackdown to boost the ratings of the new cable network. Mysterio and Batista will go back to Smackdown. Vince wants to boost the hispanic rating for Smackdown so why not bring back Mysterio.

I would really like to have one roster instead of 3. Thats one of the main reasons why wrestling was so much better in the late 90's early 00's. Granted you had Rock, Austin, Taker, and HHH leading the pack in those years but you also had AMAZING TAG TEAMs like the Dudleys, Hardyz, Edge and Christian. What the WWE has right now is creative problems. More than half of the promos or matches I already know whats going to happen because its so predictable.

[MCL1021]

It has been rumored before that HHH will move back to RAW after WM 25. He only went to Smackdown to boost the ratings of the new cable network. Mysterio and Batista will go back to Smackdown. Vince wants to boost the hispanic rating for Smackdown so why not bring back Mysterio.

I would really like to have one roster instead of 3. Thats one of the main reasons why wrestling was so much better in the late 90's early 00's. Granted you had Rock, Austin, Taker, and HHH leading the pack in those years but you also had AMAZING TAG TEAMs like the Dudleys, Hardyz, Edge and Christian. What the WWE has right now is creative problems. More than half of the promos or matches I already know whats going to happen because its so predictable.

Most of these guys now couldn't cut a promo to save their lives....they don't know how.

I agree with you though, it should be one roster instead of three. They are still using the same kind of set-up they used just after the whole WCW/ECW invasion....they do it mainly so these other guys do not have to work both shows and can do more house shows. It would make it better though to have it back to the days before the WWE bought WCW...but then they'd have to get rid of all the other belts and its something I don't see them doing.

[Dipper9]

Is it just me, or did Steph look exceptionally hot last night on Raw? She looks like she has lost a ton of weight. She looks smaller now than even before the two children. Anyway, I thought she looked really good.

The angles with Jericho beating the hell out of Flair to start the show, and then Orton and HHH and Steph to end it, were very well done last night. Not to mention the HBK/Taker feud is getting hot. Mania is actually starting to look pretty decent.

I still wish they had a better payoff to this legend angle than Jericho vs the Three Amigos.

[slowey404]

That had to be one of the better Raws in a while.

I don't care what anyone says about Santino, he is great to watch.

I didn’t care for the 8 man tag match too much It is hard to do one of them when you have 5 faces and 3 heels.

HBK is the graveyard, I thought was very well done.


ECW
Wasn't bad. For Vince not being a fan of Christian he has to consider that Fan factor that he has.

Looks like now everyone on the main roster will have a spot at the Wrestlemania with the Lumberjack match.

[BringBackMagic]

Had no idea there was a wrestling fanbase on this board.

WM 25 predictions:

Chris Jericho vs. Legends handicap match: Jericho will "get what he deserves" here. It's the payoff with the legends. Snuka will hit something awkward off the top rope, Flair will put him in the Figure Four and Mickey Rourke will show up and hit the Ram Jam. The crowd will pop and Jericho will bounce back, probably getting drafted to Smackdown to start over.

25 Diva battle Royal: Who cares? Let's go with Beth.

Money in the Bank: Christian has to be the victor here. When MVP won the US Title, I guess that meant Shelton has a shot, but I can't see him getting a main event push. He still doesn't get the pops he needs to in order to get a title shot. Christian can do that on whichever show he ends up getting drafted to.

Shawn Michaels vs. Undertaker: The Undertaker is going to win. Let's not kid ourselves. Shawn is "Mr. Wrestlemania" but aside from his Iron Man match win for the belt against Bret Hart, he's best known for losing at Mania and putting on great matches in the process. I expect more of that.

Miz & Morrison vs. The Colons: I guess this is a poor man's version of Los Guerreros vs. Edge & Christian, but it's not bad. Miz and Morrison are great and they have worked very well with Primo and Carlito the last few weeks. I expect an excellent performance from all involved with Miz & Morrisson winning the unified straps. They show up on all of the shows anyway. Let them travel with the belts.

Matt vs. Jeff: I really hope Matt Hardy gets the win here. He needs it more than Jeff, right now, and I don't feel like this feud has heated up enough to be worth blowing off with the "good" brother getting the victory. Matt finds some way to cheat to win, proving he'll do anything to prove he's better than Jeff.

JBL vs. Rey for the IC Title: I think I may care about this match slightly more than the Divas Battle Royal. Let's all pray that Rey gets the win here, JBL retires and we get some usefull IC title feuding so that the belt means something again.

Edge vs. Big Show vs. Cena for the World Title: Cena will walk away with the belt, even though the match has been built around Big Show and Edge. The only way I figure Cena doesn't get the belt back is if Edge fools all of us, Vickie helps him and screws over Show and Cena to retain. I'm still banking on Cena winning it back, though.

HHH vs. Orton for WWE Title: If WWE wants anybody to remember this PPV, which looks rather forgettable at the moment, they need to pull THE big swerve in this match. What I'm describing, of course, is that Steph turns on HHH. It would make sense. Steph helped set up Orton to take out Vince and Shane and the only person standing in her way for total control of WWE is HHH. Think about it. She's Third Generation... she'd fit the Legacy.

I also hope they put together an ECW Title Match. Swagger vs. Bourne vs. Dreamer with Swagger pinning Dreamer to retain.

[Sports Guy]

Had no idea there was a wrestling fanbase on this board.

WM 25 predictions:

Chris Jericho vs. Legends handicap match: Jericho will "get what he deserves" here. It's the payoff with the legends. Snuka will hit something awkward off the top rope, Flair will put him in the Figure Four and Mickey Rourke will show up and hit the Ram Jam. The crowd will pop and Jericho will bounce back, probably getting drafted to Smackdown to start over.

25 Diva battle Royal: Who cares? Let's go with Beth.

Money in the Bank: Christian has to be the victor here. When MVP won the US Title, I guess that meant Shelton has a shot, but I can't see him getting a main event push. He still doesn't get the pops he needs to in order to get a title shot. Christian can do that on whichever show he ends up getting drafted to.

Shawn Michaels vs. Undertaker: The Undertaker is going to win. Let's not kid ourselves. Shawn is "Mr. Wrestlemania" but aside from his Iron Man match win for the belt against Bret Hart, he's best known for losing at Mania and putting on great matches in the process. I expect more of that.

Miz & Morrison vs. The Colons: I guess this is a poor man's version of Los Guerreros vs. Edge & Christian, but it's not bad. Miz and Morrison are great and they have worked very well with Primo and Carlito the last few weeks. I expect an excellent performance from all involved with Miz & Morrisson winning the unified straps. They show up on all of the shows anyway. Let them travel with the belts.

Matt vs. Jeff: I really hope Matt Hardy gets the win here. He needs it more than Jeff, right now, and I don't feel like this feud has heated up enough to be worth blowing off with the "good" brother getting the victory. Matt finds some way to cheat to win, proving he'll do anything to prove he's better than Jeff.

JBL vs. Rey for the IC Title: I think I may care about this match slightly more than the Divas Battle Royal. Let's all pray that Rey gets the win here, JBL retires and we get some usefull IC title feuding so that the belt means something again.

Edge vs. Big Show vs. Cena for the World Title: Cena will walk away with the belt, even though the match has been built around Big Show and Edge. The only way I figure Cena doesn't get the belt back is if Edge fools all of us, Vickie helps him and screws over Show and Cena to retain. I'm still banking on Cena winning it back, though.

HHH vs. Orton for WWE Title: If WWE wants anybody to remember this PPV, which looks rather forgettable at the moment, they need to pull THE big swerve in this match. What I'm describing, of course, is that Steph turns on HHH. It would make sense. Steph helped set up Orton to take out Vince and Shane and the only person standing in her way for total control of WWE is HHH. Think about it. She's Third Generation... she'd fit the Legacy.

I also hope they put together an ECW Title Match. Swagger vs. Bourne vs. Dreamer with Swagger pinning Dreamer to retain.
This is very possible..hadn't thought about it.

Cena may win but his title reign will be short run because he is apparently filming a movie this summer and will need some time off...So, while he may win, I think Show stands the better chance.

[Dipper9]

This is very possible..hadn't thought about it.

Cena may win but his title reign will be short run because he is apparently filming a movie this summer and will need some time off...So, while he may win, I think Show stands the better chance.

We can only hope!

As for the Steph screwjob of HHH to side with Orton, I think it would be a swerve just for the sake of a swerve. Orton has hurt her a couple times now, and if suddenly the guillatine DDT off the ropes is not a punishing move and its shown that he didn't "really" hurt her, I think that's taking things too far. I wouldn't mind seeing Steph and Trips back together on screen for a little bit (especially with Steph looking that good). They were entertaining during the McMahon / Helmsley Era and I think it would be fun to see them as faces this time. Then maybe a screwjob later down the road. But for now I don't see a Steph turn. There is too much left of HHH vs Orton, along with Vince/Shane/ and Trips vs all three members of Legacy! Plus like someone else had said, I can see HBK getting involved to stand by his friend against Legacy as well.

[MikeAD]

I really like the fact that LBJ will be going out in an IC title match, if he retires. He has gotten push after push at the main event level, and he did well, but I just don't think he was ever over with the fans as a singles wrestler, even as a heel he doesn't pull it off. Maybe I'm wrong.

This is a very poor card for Wrestlemania, the Money in the Bank will be great because it is always great. I think Christian wins.

The HHH/Orton fued has been stunning, very well done week after week and any ending of this match, as others have said, will only leave it unsure so the fued can continue. If HHH wins, he will get beaten down after the match, who knows we might even see a new member of legacy.

Cena vs. Show vs. Edge, I am nearly certain that Cena wins this but I definately think Show needs to win it. He hasn't had a major belt in some time and I would like to see Edge in the role of chasing after the title.

Matt vs. Jeff is going to be great, Matt has to win this one, but it is going to be one good match.

Taker vs. HBK....this is going to be a great match, of course Undertaker wins, but the buildup has been pretty good, I know alot of people wondered how face vs. face could be pulled off, but it seems to have worked.

In order of what I'm looking forward to: Orton/HHH, Taker/HBK, Jeff/Matt, Money in the Bank, Edge/Show/Cena and the rest is a wash for me.

Am I the only one not interested in the Jericho vs. Legends angle? I guess I'm just not a fan of Jericho anymore.

[Dipper9]

I really like the fact that LBJ will be going out in an IC title match, if he retires. He has gotten push after push at the main event level, and he did well, but I just don't think he was ever over with the fans as a singles wrestler, even as a heel he doesn't pull it off. Maybe I'm wrong.

This is a very poor card for Wrestlemania, the Money in the Bank will be great because it is always great. I think Christian wins.

The HHH/Orton fued has been stunning, very well done week after week and any ending of this match, as others have said, will only leave it unsure so the fued can continue. If HHH wins, he will get beaten down after the match, who knows we might even see a new member of legacy.

Cena vs. Show vs. Edge, I am nearly certain that Cena wins this but I definately think Show needs to win it. He hasn't had a major belt in some time and I would like to see Edge in the role of chasing after the title.

Matt vs. Jeff is going to be great, Matt has to win this one, but it is going to be one good match.

Taker vs. HBK....this is going to be a great match, of course Undertaker wins, but the buildup has been pretty good, I know alot of people wondered how face vs. face could be pulled off, but it seems to have worked.

In order of what I'm looking forward to: Orton/HHH, Taker/HBK, Jeff/Matt, Money in the Bank, Edge/Show/Cena and the rest is a wash for me.

Am I the only one not interested in the Jericho vs. Legends angle? I guess I'm just not a fan of Jericho anymore.

On one hand, you say Mania isn't looking that great. On the other, you have broken down 4 matches that look to be stellar. I feel the exact same way. On the surface, there doesn't seem to be the "Mania" feel to the card, but once you start breaking it down, it looks pretty damn solid.

I like your idea for a 4th member of Legacy. Hadn't thought of that. Any ideas who we might think it could be that would make sense? Harry Smith would be one, but might not be 'big' enough. How about Golddust minus the wig...aka Dustin Rhodes???

[MikeAD]

On one hand, you say Mania isn't looking that great. On the other, you have broken down 4 matches that look to be stellar. I feel the exact same way. On the surface, there doesn't seem to be the "Mania" feel to the card, but once you start breaking it down, it looks pretty damn solid.

Yeah thats how I felt when I typed it out, I was like, "wait a minute, this isn't all that bad."

I like your idea for a 4th member of Legacy. Hadn't thought of that. Any ideas who we might think it could be that would make sense? Harry Smith would be one, but might not be 'big' enough. How about Golddust minus the wig...aka Dustin Rhodes???

I really have no idea, the only other "legacy" candidate that is around his Harry Smith, Davey Boy Smith's son. Hes been floating through the organanization for years, but that doesn't seem plausible. I don't know, maybe its the other way around maybe after the match someone comes out to save HHH, and the new member of Legacy comes later. In any event, this is going to be one hell of a match/continued fued.

[BringBackMagic]

First, MikeAD... you are hardly the only person that isn't interested in the Jericho vs. Legends match. There was so much potential here and I wish they could have thrown enough money at Austin to get him to battle in honor of the legends against Jericho.

There really aren't any more wrestlers that fit the Legacy criteria really deserving of the spot. Manu was a flop. Sim Snuka has potential, but they buried him so much that I can't see him coming back. Harry Smith has been greatly underwhelming in the videos I've seen online. He could come in, but he needs a lot of work and he already has a strike against him in the Wellness Policy.

I really think Steph is the perfect choice. For SportsGuy... It's not too much to think that Steph has helped mastermind the whole thing. It's possible to say that Orton "pulled" the moves so that they looked worse than the were. Steph could also say that she is willing to go through any sort of pain in order to get what she truly wants.

To whoever posted it... HHH is boring as a face. HHH/Steph as a combo would be doubly boring as a pair of ruling faces. Steph is a B*t*h plain and simple. She plays it so well and I'd love to see her back in that role. She can be a "business partner" with Orton, they take out HHH for several months with a major beat down for an injury. As another poster mentioned, HBK can come to avenge his friend. Orton goes over on HBK and as Orton and Steph's partnership begins to border on more and into a relationship, HHH returns to take them both out. Big Money summer feud.

[Sports Guy]

I saw an interview with HHH and he really didn't like the idea of combining his real life with his wrestling life...ie announcing, in the ring, that him and Steph are hubby and wife....Said that it will always look like he could get what he wants because Vince is his FIL.

So, who knows.

The idea of Steph turning on HHH is a very intriguing idea and would be a great angle.

[MikeAD]

I saw an interview with HHH and he really didn't like the idea of combining his real life with his wrestling life...ie announcing, in the ring, that him and Steph are hubby and wife....Said that it will always look like he could get what he wants because Vince is his FIL.

So, who knows.

The idea of Steph turning on HHH is a very intriguing idea and would be a great angle.

He mentioned that in the MSN online article as well, I've heard him say it a few times, and recently he discussed how he really doesn't like being a face, he would like to be a heel all the time.

Is there ANY possible way, Stephanie turning on HHH could make him a heel again? I mean any combination of Orton/Legacy and the McMahons makes him a "good guy" going up a "corporation" type group.

Im not disagreeing, I can see the turn, and it is interesting. I feel pretty confident that whatever happens in the HHH/Orton fued next Sunday is going to be great, they can't mess this up, its gone too well, so anything will be fine.

[Dipper9]

He mentioned that in the MSN online article as well, I've heard him say it a few times, and recently he discussed how he really doesn't like being a face, he would like to be a heel all the time.

Is there ANY possible way, Stephanie turning on HHH could make him a heel again? I mean any combination of Orton/Legacy and the McMahons makes him a "good guy" going up a "corporation" type group.

Im not disagreeing, I can see the turn, and it is interesting. I feel pretty confident that whatever happens in the HHH/Orton fued next Sunday is going to be great, they can't mess this up, its gone too well, so anything will be fine.

I love Steph as the authority figure, but I am just really, REALLY not interested in ANOTHER love triangle with the powerful GM wife screwing her hubby over...I mean we have that EXACT storyline on Smackdown right now. I just think they would have to come up with something reall good to make that turn happen, and I just don't buy it. Now, what I CAN see is Shane-o-Mac coming in as the new Legacy member and fueding with HHH and Steph. But that SWERVE needs to happen during the inevitable Trips/Shane/Vince vs Legacy match sometime in the near future.

[Sports Guy]

I love Steph as the authority figure, but I am just really, REALLY not interested in ANOTHER love triangle with the powerful GM wife screwing her hubby over...I mean we have that EXACT storyline on Smackdown right now. I just think they would have to come up with something reall good to make that turn happen, and I just don't buy it. Now, what I CAN see is Shane-o-Mac coming in as the new Legacy member and fueding with HHH and Steph. But that SWERVE needs to happen during the inevitable Trips/Shane/Vince vs Legacy match sometime in the near future.
There were rumors before that Shane and Stephanie were supposed to have a feud over the power struggle on Raw.

Steph said it was her show and that was it...In theory, Shane could come back on her now...Maybe Steph and HHH would go up against Vince, Shane and the rest of Legacy...perhaps also with the help of Shawn Michaels?

Don't know...Could go a lot of ways...They could just keep things status quo as well.

[Sports Guy]

Not that she needed to be, but Steph wasn't there tonight even though Shane and Vince were...very interesting.

[Dipper9]

Not that she needed to be, but Steph wasn't there tonight even though Shane and Vince were...very interesting.

Could mean something....


...OR it could mean she got guilatine DDT's last week and she is selling the injury.

Either way, strong show last night. The ending with Vinnie Mac and Shane-O and then Trips coming out on stage was great! Saw it coming, but great none-the-less.

[Greg Pappas]

I watch WWE fairly often, and have for over 25 years...

Predictions here in this thread are pretty well thought-out, and I'm glad to have a place to discuss it. :)

I love the 4th Legacy member angle, with either Stef or Shane shifting over.

Undertaker/Big Show/Orton/Christian/Matt Hardy all win.

[Sports Guy]

Tazz is now done with WWE...This week's smackdown is his last night...he may come back at some point but for right now, he is done with WWE.

Not sure who replaces him but perhaps JBL goes back to broadcasting if he does indeed retire?

[HoodGuy007]

I watch WWE fairly often, and have for over 25 years...

Predictions here in this thread are pretty well thought-out, and I'm glad to have a place to discuss it. :)

I love the 4th Legacy member angle, with either Stef or Shane shifting over.

Undertaker/Big Show/Orton/Christian/Matt Hardy all win.
It really sucks that someone has to lose the Michaels v. Taker match. They are among the five best wrestlers of their generation.

[Dipper9]

Tazz is now done with WWE...This week's smackdown is his last night...he may come back at some point but for right now, he is done with WWE.

Not sure who replaces him but perhaps JBL goes back to broadcasting if he does indeed retire?

They have a few options:

1. Trade Ross and Cole (Cole is so un-enthusiastic on RAW, I miss the screaming Good Ol JR) and go back to JR/King on RAW and Cole/JBL on Smackdown.

2. Shift Striker to Smackdown with Cole or JR. Striker is gold in the announce booth.

3. Go to a three man team of JR, King, and Cole for BOTH Raw and Smackdown.

Either way, nothing beats Gorilla Monsoon and Bobby the Brain Heenan, or Gorilla and Jesse the Body Ventura. They were three of the best. Heenan's one liners are still stuck in my head all these years later...

Brain: "hey Gorilla, do you know what Boog Powell's name would be if Moisis Alou was his father?"

Gorilla: "Oh Please!"

Brain: "boog-a-loo!" :rofl:

And how about Gorilla calling out the body parts as the match progresses! Classic stuff!

As for Mania, I would love to see some good long matches in the Hardy's match, the TLC. and Orton/Trips. I would LOVE to see Taker/HBK close out the show as THE main event. But, if Big Show were to win the title, that alone would make Mania a success for me. I LOVE Edge, but I want to see him chasing the title for a while, and the thought of "The Champ is HERE" ringing in my ears again gives me a migraine. Plus, NO ECW Title match? WTF?

Predictions:

1. I'll take Matt over Jeff by some dubious means. This feud has only just begun, and a Jeff win would end it right now. So Matt must win for the feud to continue into a TLC match at SummerSlam!

2. I'd like to see the Colons take the unified tag titles with Morrison moving on to bigger and better things, but at this point I am going with Miz/Morrison so that they can claim to be the first Unified World Tag Team Champions, ie like Jericho does with the Unified World Championship. Either way, its going to end up a giant clusterfrick as all the lumberjacks end up in a brew ha ha.

3. Speaking of Jericho, I see Snuka going out early, followed by some trichery to take out Piper, and then an extended one on one with Jericho and Steamboat. THAT would give this match some excitement for me, seeing one of my favorites as a youth going at it with one of my current favorites. In the end, Flair and Rourke will cost Jericho the match, and then Rourke will knock out Jericho and Flair will slap the figure four on him for good measure.

4. Women's Battle Royal. I read that Molly Holly, Victoria, Jackie, Torrie Wilson, and SUNNY are gonna be in it. I love Sunny, but its good to see Victoria and Molly back as well. I think the final two participants will be Mae Young and Trish. One of the current Divas will win so that they can tout the monicker of Miss WrestleMania, and it should be a heel so they can really flaunt it, so I will go with either Maryse or Michelle McCool, and since I really dig Michelle, thats who I'll take. (as a fan I'd like either Trish, Kelly Kelly, or Sunny to win it.)

5. IC Title match should be interesting. I think JBL is retiring from wrestling after the match, one way or another. I can see Mysterio winning and going on to good feuds with Bourne, Jericho, Kofi, etc over the strap, which would be good. However, I always love me some good old fashioned tournaments, so I am going to go with a JBL win, followed by a retirement celebration with Ron Simmons, followed by the announcement during the Draft Raw that a IC title tournament will be held to find a new champion. DAMN!

6. Money in the Bank. I like Kane, especially after reading a recent article with him our of character talking about a big range of subjects, including Katie Vick, but I don't see him winning here. Mark Henry has made big improvements over the past year or two and is finally earning his paycheck as the big monster that he is, but he had his run as the ECW champ and I believe is out of the title picture for a while. Finley is a mid level guy at this point, and an occassional ECW main eventer, but he is not winning. (I would love to see him form a team with Regal after Mania and go after the tag straps) Kofi Kingston is liked by the fans and seems well respected by his fellow wrestlers, but I don't think he is ready for a main event level push. MVP is the US Champ and thus will not win. Punk is always a contender for another main event push, but based on house show reports, I think after Mania he is going to stand up for the legends and begin a feud with Jericho. So that leaves Shelton Benjamin and Christian. Is the Gold Standard finally ready for that main event push? For years JR and others have said he has the most skills of anyone in the company, but he always seems to miss moves in bog matches, or just plain is not real good on the mic. I think he has improved in both areas, and he may just win this, but Christian is taking this baby home. Christian has been jobbing out left and right recently, and he and Swaggar had their ECW Title Match early. Why? It would have made much more sense to have Swaggar/Christian for the ECW Championship at Mania. It would be a great match and would give the ECW title some credibility. The reason they are not doing it is a) Vince has no faith in Swaggar right now, b) Vince could care less about the ECW title, and c) they have other plans for Christian, ie following in his "brother's" footsteps and winning the MITB!

7. World Heavyweight Championship. Man, there are so many possibilities here. They have done a great job of storytelling with Show and Edge to make this not a two-on-one beatdown of Cena. Edge and Show are fighting for the title AND Vickie. Cena, on the other hand, can be thrown into ANY feud as long as the Championship is on the line, because that's all he cares about is being the top dog. I can see Edge retaining, with follow up matches with Show, Cena, before moving on to Christian, the Hardy's, others. I can see Cena winning as that is the expectation. Cena is probably the easy favorite. I hope not though. He needs to get out of the title picture for a while and to freshen himself up. Big Show would be the biggest surprise to win. However, they are finally booking him as the unstoppable giant who kicks arse and takes names. Unfortunately, Show pinned Cena clean on Monday, which means Cena is walking out the World Champion.

8. Orton and Trips fead is very well known. Many have talked about a Steph swerve but I see no logical explanation for that now that they have made known that she and Trips are married and have children. So the happily married woman with two young kids suddenly decides her husband needs to be taught a lesson? For what purpose? I just don't see that logic. Maybe somewhere down the road, but this feud has legs left. I see a screwy finish which leads to a rematch at Backlash and a Shane/Vince/Trips vs Legacy match at June's PPV. For Mania, I go with a Trips disqualification which gives Orton the title.

9. Taker vs HBK. This match should be awesome. We know HBK can go, and when Taker is motivated, he is great for a big man. This could be match of the year candidate with the backstory IF they give it enough time. HBK has gotten the better of Taker throughout this entire buildup, so there is no way Taker loses the Mani winning streak. I see a lot of near finishes and crowd excitement, and if it plays out the right way, I think we'll see some sweet chin music which Taker will sit up out of, and finish HBK off with the Tombstone to win it.

Like I said before, there is no Andre-Hogan feel to this Mania, but breaking down the card it looks to be pretty solid.

[TinCup]

They have a few options:

1. Trade Ross and Cole (Cole is so un-enthusiastic on RAW, I miss the screaming Good Ol JR) and go back to JR/King on RAW and Cole/JBL on Smackdown.

2. Shift Striker to Smackdown with Cole or JR. Striker is gold in the announce booth.

3. Go to a three man team of JR, King, and Cole for BOTH Raw and Smackdown.

Either way, nothing beats Gorilla Monsoon and Bobby the Brain Heenan, or Gorilla and Jesse the Body Ventura. They were three of the best. Heenan's one liners are still stuck in my head all these years later...

Brain: "hey Gorilla, do you know what Boog Powell's name would be if Moisis Alou was his father?"

Gorilla: "Oh Please!"

Brain: "boog-a-loo!" :rofl:

And how about Gorilla calling out the body parts as the match progresses! Classic stuff!

As for Mania, I would love to see some good long matches in the Hardy's match, the TLC. and Orton/Trips. I would LOVE to see Taker/HBK close out the show as THE main event. But, if Big Show were to win the title, that alone would make Mania a success for me. I LOVE Edge, but I want to see him chasing the title for a while, and the thought of "The Champ is HERE" ringing in my ears again gives me a migraine. Plus, NO ECW Title match? WTF?

Predictions:

1. I'll take Matt over Jeff by some dubious means. This feud has only just begun, and a Jeff win would end it right now. So Matt must win for the feud to continue into a TLC match at SummerSlam!

2. I'd like to see the Colons take the unified tag titles with Morrison moving on to bigger and better things, but at this point I am going with Miz/Morrison so that they can claim to be the first Unified World Tag Team Champions, ie like Jericho does with the Unified World Championship. Either way, its going to end up a giant clusterfrick as all the lumberjacks end up in a brew ha ha.

3. Speaking of Jericho, I see Snuka going out early, followed by some trichery to take out Piper, and then an extended one on one with Jericho and Steamboat. THAT would give this match some excitement for me, seeing one of my favorites as a youth going at it with one of my current favorites. In the end, Flair and Rourke will cost Jericho the match, and then Rourke will knock out Jericho and Flair will slap the figure four on him for good measure.

4. Women's Battle Royal. I read that Molly Holly, Victoria, Jackie, Torrie Wilson, and SUNNY are gonna be in it. I love Sunny, but its good to see Victoria and Molly back as well. I think the final two participants will be Mae Young and Trish. One of the current Divas will win so that they can tout the monicker of Miss WrestleMania, and it should be a heel so they can really flaunt it, so I will go with either Maryse or Michelle McCool, and since I really dig Michelle, thats who I'll take. (as a fan I'd like either Trish, Kelly Kelly, or Sunny to win it.)

5. IC Title match should be interesting. I think JBL is retiring from wrestling after the match, one way or another. I can see Mysterio winning and going on to good feuds with Bourne, Jericho, Kofi, etc over the strap, which would be good. However, I always love me some good old fashioned tournaments, so I am going to go with a JBL win, followed by a retirement celebration with Ron Simmons, followed by the announcement during the Draft Raw that a IC title tournament will be held to find a new champion. DAMN!

6. Money in the Bank. I like Kane, especially after reading a recent article with him our of character talking about a big range of subjects, including Katie Vick, but I don't see him winning here. Mark Henry has made big improvements over the past year or two and is finally earning his paycheck as the big monster that he is, but he had his run as the ECW champ and I believe is out of the title picture for a while. Finley is a mid level guy at this point, and an occassional ECW main eventer, but he is not winning. (I would love to see him form a team with Regal after Mania and go after the tag straps) Kofi Kingston is liked by the fans and seems well respected by his fellow wrestlers, but I don't think he is ready for a main event level push. MVP is the US Champ and thus will not win. Punk is always a contender for another main event push, but based on house show reports, I think after Mania he is going to stand up for the legends and begin a feud with Jericho. So that leaves Shelton Benjamin and Christian. Is the Gold Standard finally ready for that main event push? For years JR and others have said he has the most skills of anyone in the company, but he always seems to miss moves in bog matches, or just plain is not real good on the mic. I think he has improved in both areas, and he may just win this, but Christian is taking this baby home. Christian has been jobbing out left and right recently, and he and Swaggar had their ECW Title Match early. Why? It would have made much more sense to have Swaggar/Christian for the ECW Championship at Mania. It would be a great match and would give the ECW title some credibility. The reason they are not doing it is a) Vince has no faith in Swaggar right now, b) Vince could care less about the ECW title, and c) they have other plans for Christian, ie following in his "brother's" footsteps and winning the MITB!

7. World Heavyweight Championship. Man, there are so many possibilities here. They have done a great job of storytelling with Show and Edge to make this not a two-on-one beatdown of Cena. Edge and Show are fighting for the title AND Vickie. Cena, on the other hand, can be thrown into ANY feud as long as the Championship is on the line, because that's all he cares about is being the top dog. I can see Edge retaining, with follow up matches with Show, Cena, before moving on to Christian, the Hardy's, others. I can see Cena winning as that is the expectation. Cena is probably the easy favorite. I hope not though. He needs to get out of the title picture for a while and to freshen himself up. Big Show would be the biggest surprise to win. However, they are finally booking him as the unstoppable giant who kicks arse and takes names. Unfortunately, Show pinned Cena clean on Monday, which means Cena is walking out the World Champion.

8. Orton and Trips fead is very well known. Many have talked about a Steph swerve but I see no logical explanation for that now that they have made known that she and Trips are married and have children. So the happily married woman with two young kids suddenly decides her husband needs to be taught a lesson? For what purpose? I just don't see that logic. Maybe somewhere down the road, but this feud has legs left. I see a screwy finish which leads to a rematch at Backlash and a Shane/Vince/Trips vs Legacy match at June's PPV. For Mania, I go with a Trips disqualification which gives Orton the title.

9. Taker vs HBK. This match should be awesome. We know HBK can go, and when Taker is motivated, he is great for a big man. This could be match of the year candidate with the backstory IF they give it enough time. HBK has gotten the better of Taker throughout this entire buildup, so there is no way Taker loses the Mani winning streak. I see a lot of near finishes and crowd excitement, and if it plays out the right way, I think we'll see some sweet chin music which Taker will sit up out of, and finish HBK off with the Tombstone to win it.

Like I said before, there is no Andre-Hogan feel to this Mania, but breaking down the card it looks to be pretty solid.

Dip...hate to break this to you man...but you need some help! Some serious help. ;)

[glenn__davis]

Dip...hate to break this to you man...but you need some help! Some serious help. ;)

But you have to admit - that was an impressive breakdown!

BTW, Dip, I agree with you on Bobby Heenan. Such a great heel commentator. Say what you want about Vince, but he was a great face PBP guy, too. Him and Heenan together were golden. When I got back into wrestling around '99 or so, Heenan was on WCW, and they just had him as a regular commentator, not a heel. Such a waste.

And on yet another slight derivation from the thread, am I the only one who can't stand the Undertaker as a wrestler? He's big, he's slow, he doesn't sell for anyone. Why do people like this guy so much?

[Dipper9]

Dip...hate to break this to you man...but you need some help! Some serious help. ;)

Sorry Moscow...it was a slow morning.


But you're right...I should have given this wrestling stuff up years ago, but its just fun sometimes. A nice aversion from the real world! :o

[TinCup]

Sorry Moscow...it was a slow morning.


But you're right...I should have given this wrestling stuff up years ago, but its just fun sometimes. A nice aversion from the real world! :o

Well, if it means anything, back in my college days, me and a fraternity "bro", for Halloween one year, we dressed up as a masked wrestling duo, complete with big tawdry 'championship" belts, which we made a point of showing off. It was pretty hilarious at the time and we were hits at each of the fraternities we visited. We had a great routine to go along with the costumes, tagging each other, strutting around arrogantly, etc. Ah yes, them college days.....

[Sports Guy]

The more I think about it, the more likely it seems Steph or Shane join Legacy...Just makes sense...Probably Shane if it happens.

[MikeAD]

My friends at Wrestlemania, and said he saw Rourke in the parking lot, hes covering the event for a paper (my friend that is).

Guess he will be involved in the Jericho match.

[MikeAD]

Just checked the results, Cena won the triple threat, what a sham. Makes no sense, especially when hes leaving for the summer. Edge has had the belt forever, and Show was the right choice. I guess now they will have some stopgap halfassed storyline with Cena for a month or two after the draft.

[Sports Guy]

Disappointing show IMO.

Punks wins MITB again? Why do they keep pushing this guy so much? Good match but poor outcome IMO.

The Jericho match was weaker than I thought it would be...wich is saying something

Nothing at all from the McMahons or Legacy in the HHH match.

Divas match was bad of course but Santino was at least funny.

I think the way JBL left was weak...Should have done more with that IMO.

The Hardy match was pretty good.

The triple threat match was ok but again, bad outcome...Having Cena win is too predictable and really, not logical IMO.

THe Taker/Michaels match was by far and away the best match of the night...Nothing was remotely close...It was as good a match as you will see.

[slowey404]

I did not think it was a bad event.
Upset that the tag match was the dark match.

MITB, did not think that Punk was going to win it. Some great spots, Henry did not take away from the match. Watching him climb the rope to jump to the outside was a bit scary. Shelton flip from the ladder was great.

Battle Royal....... Enough said. Santino Dance at the end was great.

IC Title, Me typing this was longer then that match. Great outfit my Rey.

Taker vs. HBK. The best match I ever watched. It stole the show. I thought Taker was seriously hurt from that dive to the outside. So many near falls

Show vs. Edge vs. Cena..... Cena will probably drop the belt at Backlash; he has won the title 5 times at Wrestlemania.

HHH vs. Orton..... Great Match weak ending, thought that Legacy and McMahon would brawl, or Steph comes out to help HHH.

[MCL1021]

Didn't watch the PPV and thankfully I didn't waste money on it....but from reading the results, by far the HBK/Taker match stole the show, I liked that HBK was acting like the old HBK during the match...shoving the refs, the camermen, etc....after that though, there wasn't much to talk about.

Every outcome was pretty much expected...I guess Cena will now go to Smackdown in the WWE Draft, HHH over to RAW. HHH/Orton will continue to feud...I have a feeling they will play on the fact HHH used the sledgehammer to pick up the victory. Also Vince saw HHH before the match and just looked at him, without words. Could be something they'll play on, and it might not.

The JBL thing was poorly done, and just seemed really stupid. It took them that long for that payoff? To sit there and say I quit, and that's it?

Everything else I would have been bored with or would have been out of the room fixing food for myself because I don't care about all the other stuff.

[Sports Guy]

Didn't watch the PPV and thankfully I didn't waste money on it....but from reading the results, by far the HBK/Taker match stole the show, I liked that HBK was acting like the old HBK during the match...shoving the refs, the camermen, etc....after that though, there wasn't much to talk about.

Every outcome was pretty much expected...I guess Cena will now go to Smackdown in the WWE Draft, HHH over to RAW. HHH/Orton will continue to feud...I have a feeling they will play on the fact HHH used the sledgehammer to pick up the victory. Also Vince saw HHH before the match and just looked at him, without words. Could be something they'll play on, and it might not.

The JBL thing was poorly done, and just seemed really stupid. It took them that long for that payoff? To sit there and say I quit, and that's it?

Everything else I would have been bored with or would have been out of the room fixing food for myself because I don't care about all the other stuff.Yea, i am sure they will switch Cena and HHH as well.

The Orton/HHH fued will go through at least one more PPV i am sure.

[MikeAD]

Might as well keep this going (I guess), the highlight of tonights' RAW was the announcement of a Backlash match for the title, six man tag, Legacy vs Shane, Vince and HHH. Then Vince fought Orton one on one...and Batista made his return to make the final save, setting up a HHH, Batista, and Shane vs. Legacy match at Backlash. Damn, I feel foolish for not seeing that coming. Love this storyline though.

[Sports Guy]

Might as well keep this going (I guess), the highlight of tonights' RAW was the announcement of a Backlash match for the title, six man tag, Legacy vs Shane, Vince and HHH. Then Vince fought Orton one on one...and Batista made his return to make the final save, setting up a HHH, Batista, and Shane vs. Legacy match at Backlash. Damn, I feel foolish for not seeing that coming. Love this storyline though.

Someone is going to be turning at backlash you would think.

[slowey404]

I would like to see HBK, taking Shane spot on the team.
This is turning into to one of the best storylines in a very long time. I can see D.H. Smith coming up soon to join Legacy.

[DBean]

(Didn't know that there were many OH wrestling fans. This is great!)

Saw the PPV and was very disappointed. Don't know why they didn't show the Miz/Morrison vs Colons tag title unification match. Figured that would have been good. Would have liked to have seen the surprise divas get their own entrances, but that's alright. MITB I was hoping that someone other than CM Punk would win it, but oh well. The Hardy vs Hardy match was great. Surprised that Jeff won but I guess they were going to continue the storyline for a while. Best match was the HBK Undertaker match by far. Could of cared less who won in the triple threat match. JBL Mysterio match was a joke. For all the hype leading up to it, I was very disappointed there was no interference in the HHH Orton match. Was hoping that Shane or Stephanie would interfere and join legacy. Expected a lot more out of Wrestlemania.

[Dipper9]

(Didn't know that there were many OH wrestling fans. This is great!)

Saw the PPV and was very disappointed. Don't know why they didn't show the Miz/Morrison vs Colons tag title unification match. Figured that would have been good. Would have liked to have seen the surprise divas get their own entrances, but that's alright. MITB I was hoping that someone other than CM Punk would win it, but oh well. The Hardy vs Hardy match was great. Surprised that Jeff won but I guess they were going to continue the storyline for a while. Best match was the HBK Undertaker match by far. Could of cared less who won in the triple threat match. JBL Mysterio match was a joke. For all the hype leading up to it, I was very disappointed there was no interference in the HHH Orton match. Was hoping that Shane or Stephanie would interfere and join legacy. Expected a lot more out of Wrestlemania.

Say what you want about the Hulkster, Brother, but without him around, Mania just feels like any other pay per view. Hulk Hogan MADE Wrestlemania. Hulk gave it that "special" feel. With Hogan, nothing they can do will ever make it more than just the latest monthly pay per view.

This years had no surprise appearances (unless you count Stone Cold), had no turns, had no "mark-out" moments. It was just a series of matches. Big deal. I don't buy wrestling pay per views, but those of you who do, I cannot imagine forking out $70 for this stuff? Its fun and entertaining as hell, but 70 BUCKS? In thw words of Ron Simmons....DAMN!

[MikeAD]

Say what you want about the Hulkster, Brother, but without him around, Mania just feels like any other pay per view. Hulk Hogan MADE Wrestlemania. Hulk gave it that "special" feel. With Hogan, nothing they can do will ever make it more than just the latest monthly pay per view.

This years had no surprise appearances (unless you count Stone Cold), had no turns, had no "mark-out" moments. It was just a series of matches. Big deal. I don't buy wrestling pay per views, but those of you who do, I cannot imagine forking out $70 for this stuff? Its fun and entertaining as hell, but 70 BUCKS? In thw words of Ron Simmons....DAMN!

Yeah, I don't buy pay per views, not for anything, can't afford that stuff, and even if I could I wouldn't spend money on that.

The price has really gotten out of hand, especially when you consider a WWE PPV only costs about 21 bucks (American) in most of Europe and about 30 in Canada.

[Sports Guy]

Well, you can bet Edge should be beating Cena now..Both HHH and Cena are on Raw now..No champ on SD.

[MikeAD]

Well, you can bet Edge should be beating Cena now..Both HHH and Cena are on Raw now..No champ on SD.

I sort of get the feeling that whoever wins the Last Man Standing match, will get challenged by CM Punk, now that he is on Smackdown. I can't stand CM Punk, but I'm not really a fan of Smackdown so it doesn't really matter.

Edge and Jericho are going to have something to do with the Tag Title soon, I think, just the way they played Jerichos draft off tonight.

Great Raw, well really only because of the main event, I'm still loving this fued.

Also, in related news, if you stop posting for awhile, SG, at least come post on the Wrestling thread, cause I need someone to talk to about rasslin :D

[slowey404]

I agree with the Punk thought

Some thought on the Draft
Kane to Smackdown
I like to see Brother of Destruction cause some again.

Miz to Raw
I am shocked that he is the one who turned on Morrison.

Matt Hardy to Raw
I hope that they are not ending his feud with Jeff this way.


It would be interesting to see who is taken in the supplemental draft Wednesday.

[Dipper9]

I agree with the Punk thought

Some thought on the Draft
Kane to Smackdown
I like to see Brother of Destruction cause some again.

Miz to Raw
I am shocked that he is the one who turned on Morrison.

Matt Hardy to Raw
I hope that they are not ending his feud with Jeff this way.


It would be interesting to see who is taken in the supplemental draft Wednesday.

I tape Smackdown each week, but rarely get around to actually watching. Jericho going to Smackdown is my only complaint. He is one of my favorites on Raw. Of course, if Morrison and Christian can somehow also find their way to Smackdown, that would be quite the roster over there.

Last night was tough, trying to fit in the O's game, 24, and a 3 hour Raw. I will have to watch Raw again when I am not fast forwarding through the entire thing.

[Sports Guy]

I tape Smackdown each week, but rarely get around to actually watching. Jericho going to Smackdown is my only complaint. He is one of my favorites on Raw. Of course, if Morrison and Christian can somehow also find their way to Smackdown, that would be quite the roster over there.

Last night was tough, trying to fit in the O's game, 24, and a 3 hour Raw. I will have to watch Raw again when I am not fast forwarding through the entire thing.Just for the hell of it, i did the mock draft type thing they had on wwe.com..I think i got almost everyone right...I did think Cena would go to SD.

Im glad Jericho is off Raw...I really can't stand him.

[MikeAD]

Just for the hell of it, i did the mock draft type thing they had on wwe.com..I think i got almost everyone right...I did think Cena would go to SD.

Im glad Jericho is off Raw...I really can't stand him.

I got about 3/4ths right. I didn't get the Miz going to Raw, and I didn't really think about the divas, that stuff is about as uninteresting as it gets.

And yeah, Jericho hasn't been even a bit interesting in his return to WWE.

[Sports Guy]

I got about 3/4ths right. I didn't get the Miz going to Raw, and I didn't really think about the divas, that stuff is about as uninteresting as it gets.

And yeah, Jericho hasn't been even a bit interesting in his return to WWE.

Yea, i was about the same...Had Cena going to SD...Christian moving to Raw.

Nothing on Miz.

[Dipper9]

I got about 3/4ths right. I didn't get the Miz going to Raw, and I didn't really think about the divas, that stuff is about as uninteresting as it gets.

And yeah, Jericho hasn't been even a bit interesting in his return to WWE.

Huh? So the 8 month program with Jericho and HBK did not interest you? That was the best storyline in the past 5 years in the WWE. I can understand some people saying they don't like Jericho "the character" but how you can say he is uninteresting is questionable????

[MikeAD]

Huh? So the 8 month program with Jericho and HBK did not interest you? That was the best storyline in the past 5 years in the WWE. I can understand some people saying they don't like Jericho "the character" but how you can say he is uninteresting is questionable????

I think I missed the bulk of that fued, I was working like 14-16 hours a day from May to November, so I missed a lot of things, when I got a chance to follow anything it was the Ravens. Could explain my feeling I suppose.

[Sports Guy]

Huh? So the 8 month program with Jericho and HBK did not interest you? That was the best storyline in the past 5 years in the WWE. I can understand some people saying they don't like Jericho "the character" but how you can say he is uninteresting is questionable????
The angle was ok but it drug on too long.

[Dipper9]

The angle was ok but it drug on too long.

I'll take an 8 month program with solid match after solid match over the other crap they put out there any day of the week and twice on Sundays!

I suppose we just have differing opinions of Jericho. To me he's one of the only interesting guys around right now.

[Sports Guy]

Might as well keep this going (I guess), the highlight of tonights' RAW was the announcement of a Backlash match for the title, six man tag, Legacy vs Shane, Vince and HHH. Then Vince fought Orton one on one...and Batista made his return to make the final save, setting up a HHH, Batista, and Shane vs. Legacy match at Backlash. Damn, I feel foolish for not seeing that coming. Love this storyline though.

Shane turns on HHH and Batista and allows Orton to pin him.

HHH never actually gets pinned and fued carries on through the summer.

[slowey404]

Shane turns on HHH and Batista and allows Orton to pin him.

HHH never actually gets pinned and fued carries on through the summer.

That is a good possibility. But I just don't see it happening. I see Orton stealing the win, maybe some outside interference, maybe a new member of Legacy. I did read the other day that WWE is considering bring up Ted's brother, Mike.

[Sports Guy]

That is a good possibility. But I just don't see it happening. I see Orton stealing the win, maybe some outside interference, maybe a new member of Legacy. I did read the other day that WWE is considering bring up Ted's brother, Mike.

Yea, I heard that too but I would think that this gets bigger than someone like that.

They want this to carry through the summer so unless they re-unite DX or something, I think it gets huge.

Remember, with HHH going to Raw now and Cena taking some time off, they are going to need a huge angle to carry them until Summerslam.

[DBean]

Yea, I heard that too but I would think that this gets bigger than someone like that.

They want this to carry through the summer so unless they re-unite DX or something, I think it gets huge.

Remember, with HHH going to Raw now and Cena taking some time off, they are going to need a huge angle to carry them until Summerslam.

I read somewhere that Shawn Michaels might retire after next Wrestlemania. I could see a DX reunion sometime this year, if for a short period of time.

I think it would be great for Shane or especially Stephanie to turn on HHH and join legacy. I think legacy needs a new member. It would really be great if they can get Mike Rotundo's kid and do a new version of Money Inc. with DiBiase, Jr and Rotundo's kid.

[Sports Guy]

I read somewhere that Shawn Michaels might retire after next Wrestlemania. I could see a DX reunion sometime this year, if for a short period of time.

I think it would be great for Shane or especially Stephanie to turn on HHH and join legacy. I think legacy needs a new member. It would really be great if they can get Mike Rotundo's kid and do a new version of Money Inc. with DiBiase, Jr and Rotundo's kid.

He is probably going to stay with the company but really reduce his time on the road.

[HoodGuy007]

I'd really like to see DH Smith in Legacy. Also, there are so many options for ridiculous tag teams on each brand. Bourne and Kidd, Jericho and Edge, Morrison and some schmuck from the crowd, Carlito and Primo, Legacy, and Cryme Tyme, just to name a few.

Also, is Randy Orton the best "bad guy" in recent memory or what? Everytime he is on screen, I am glued. He is as great as a heel can be.

[Dipper9]

I'd really like to see DH Smith in Legacy. Also, there are so many options for ridiculous tag teams on each brand. Bourne and Kidd, Jericho and Edge, Morrison and some schmuck from the crowd, Carlito and Primo, Legacy, and Cryme Tyme, just to name a few.

Also, is Randy Orton the best "bad guy" in recent memory or what? Everytime he is on screen, I am glued. He is as great as a heel can be.

AND he pinned the champ last night, which typically means he's losing Sunday, but I can't see that. Orton HAS to win the title to add to his unbelievable heat right now. He is starting to get that heel cheers though because the fans love to see a kick ass wrestler taking people down. Its like when Austin was still a bad guy and the fans were eating it up. Orton is getting a lot of that now. I see him winning Sunday, with a Shane-O turn, and I see Edge retaining on Smackdown.

[Sports Guy]

Wouldn't shock me to see Batista turn either.

Either way, I will be very surprised if either Batista or Shane don't turn this weekend.

[Crazysilver03]

Orton, Edge, and Christian take the Raw, SD, and ECW championships respectively in their matches tonight.

Should make the shows a little more interesting.

Really wouldn't have minded an Edge vs. Christian storyline though.

[Dipper9]

Orton, Edge, and Christian take the Raw, SD, and ECW championships respectively in their matches tonight.

Should make the shows a little more interesting.

Really wouldn't have minded an Edge vs. Christian storyline though.

I didn't see the event, but in the reviews there seemed to be some backstage segment with Edge and Christian. The seeds have been set. I'd like them to hold off on these two for a while, and then build a strong angle going into next years Mania.

[Crazysilver03]

I didn't see the event, but in the reviews there seemed to be some backstage segment with Edge and Christian. The seeds have been set. I'd like them to hold off on these two for a while, and then build a strong angle going into next years Mania.

This is true, but I think with both of them winning gold, it would be unfair to pit them against each other as the titles most likely wouldnt be at stake.

Anyways, I haven't been paying a lot of attention recently but after reading the recap of RAW tonight, I might start watching it again.

Apparently HHH and Cena will be taking some time off, but I was impressed that tonight the WWE set up the Miz and MVP as a top heel and face respectively.


e asks if he is going to run and hide or is he going to face him like a man. He asks what he has to do to get him out here, does he have to belittle him. He says Cena's always says "you can't see me," and Miz says he's right he can't see him. Miz says he'll wait, because Cena always says you can't see him. Miz says he's right because his movies aren't in theaters long enough. He says he's sick of seeing these same superstars in main events day after day, week after week, year after year. The Miz is on Raw to step up and grab the brass ring. Tonight he challenged Cena, and he declined so that makes The Miz the winner by forfeit. He says that makes The Miz, 1 John Cena, 0. He tells Lillian to stand up and make it official. Lillian refuses, so Miz grabs her microphone and announces it himself. So last night Cena and HHH get stretchered off, and tonight the WWE seems to be making a concerted effort to create a few new stars out of the blue? Did they just get an internet connection at Titan Tower?

This is the transcript, sort of, of the Miz promo. I thought the part about Cena's movies was pretty funny but the part of same wrestlers in the main event is so true. I really hope they continue with these pushes.

[HoodGuy007]

Miz sounded rough. He needs a little bit of mic work in front of large crowds, because there is no reason that the crowd he was in front of shouldn't have burnt the ring to the ground in large in-fighting over the whole "Cena sucks, HHH sucks, Edge sucks, Batista sucks, I want into the main event" angle.

[Oriolesfanatic]

Miz: your right, i cant see you Cena...your movies arent in theaters long enough

****ing EPIC