View Full Version : Tonight is the night...
Floater
05-19-2009, 02:42 PM
It could change the Wizard's future forever. I pray they get at least a top 2 pick. A lot of teams want Rubio, one of those teams might have an efficient big man that the Wizards have needed, maybe the Raptors?
:pray:Griffin:pray::pray::pray::pray::pray:
PaulBako
05-19-2009, 03:49 PM
Please #1 or 2 pick!!!! :o
Rubio or Griffin!
If we get anything higher than that I will be mad. In a draft light this, these are the only two "talents".
YardBirds13
05-19-2009, 07:06 PM
If we get Griffin, I will be PUMPED about our future.
That should precede a Jamison trade that will free up a good amount of cap space and allow us to build around Gil, Caron and Griffin.
However, if we don't get Griffin I'm almost hoping we land at 4 or 5 so we an take James Harden. I think he turns out to be the second best player in this draft. I've been underwhelmed by Thabeet and I liked what I saw from Rubio in the Olympics, but I'm just not sold we could be a contender with a Rubio-Gilbert backcourt.
Everybody keep those fingers crossed for Griffin!
PaulBako
05-19-2009, 08:52 PM
#5? are you kidding me? :cussing::angryfire:
YardBirds13
05-19-2009, 09:03 PM
Damn it all.
Well, hopefully Harden is there at #5 and I think we would get the second best guy in the draft. I'm a big Harden fan.
If he isn't there, I hope we trade the pick.
Man, Griffin would have been such a perfect fit. So disappointing.
Floater
05-19-2009, 09:03 PM
Wow...Hopefully someone really wants that 5th pick and will trade with us but it is such a weak draft! Maybe they should just settle with Harden, if he is even there...
So Griffin, Rubio, and Thabeet probably will be off the board.
They still have a chance at, say, James Harden to slot into the SG spot for a Arenas/Harden/Butler/Jamison/Haywood lineup. Although some might question Harden vs. Young. Or perhaps Tyreke Evans, who looked great for Memphis, and also can play SG.
I'm not as high on Jordan Hill or DeMar DeRozan.
YardBirds13
05-19-2009, 09:09 PM
Wow...Hopefully someone really wants that 5th pick and will trade with us but it is such a weak draft! Maybe they should just settle with Harden, if he is even there...
I wouldn't call it settling for Harden. I know alot of people haven't seen him because he plays in the Pac-10 and Sendek's system sort of limits guys like him taking off, but everytime I watched him he impressed. Totally under control, solid handler, good defender, also a great kid which doesn't hurt.
Again, I think there is a pretty good chance he is there.
Obviously the Clippers take Griffin. How dumb does that Zach Randolph contract look now?
Memphis I'd guess will take Rubio at 2. They apparently are looking to deal Conley and I'm sure they'd like to have Rubio play with Gasol, his Olympic teammate and countrymate. With Mayo and Gay, that would be a nice core if they could get a 4 by dealing Conley.
At 3, gotta believe OKC takes Thabeet. Big defender down low and a guy to grab Durant's misses. This seems like a no-brainer.
At 4, Sacramento will be interesting. They have Kevin Martin at the 2, so I can't see them taking Harden. Jordan Hill is a possibility, but they love Thompson at the 4 already. Gotta thing Sacto looks to deal this pick.
Hopefully that is how it sorts out and Harden is there at 5. Still, even if he is, I think the Wizards will try to deal this pick.
Camden_yardbird
05-19-2009, 09:22 PM
Tonight is the night....
...the wizards get hosed.
I predict Thabeets draft stock will drop and he will be selected 5th byt the wizards, setting the organization back years. Thabeet is a scrub.
It will take a team many years and a lot of development time to realize that he is not any better than Chris "birdman" Andersen.
PaulBako
05-19-2009, 09:23 PM
Please no Harden.
I want Jennings or DeMarr Derozan.
blakesta
05-19-2009, 09:23 PM
This is absolutely rediculous.
The Lottery system in the NBA is atrocious.
YardBirds13
05-19-2009, 09:24 PM
Please no Harden.
I want Jennings or DeMarr Derozan.
Umm, why is that?
You want Jennings or DeRozan over Harden???
That's insane.
PaulBako
05-19-2009, 09:24 PM
This is absolutely rediculous.
The Lottery system in the NBA is atrocious.
The bad things always happen to this Wizards franchise. :(
blakesta
05-19-2009, 09:28 PM
The bad things always happen to this Wizards franchise. :(
...Unfortunately.
You would think the worst teams would get the first few picks.
PaulBako
05-19-2009, 09:28 PM
Umm, why is that?
You want Jennings or DeRozan over Harden???
That's insane.
I think harden can be a good player, but I don't think he will be good enough for #5. When I saw him I didn't like him that much. And I don't really like his speed, he is not too fast.
Camden_yardbird
05-19-2009, 09:30 PM
Harden is another shoot first guard. Its only too bad the Wiz don't have any other shoot first guards.... :rolleyes:
YardBirds13
05-19-2009, 09:34 PM
I think harden can be a good player, but I don't think he will be good enough for #5. When I saw him I didn't like him that much. And I don't really like his speed, he is not too fast.
Well, I completely disagree. I think Harden can be a two-guard for a contending team. He is physical and a good defender. A starting backcourt of Harden and Arenas would be fantastic IMO.
All that said, I think we trade the pick. Very unlikely we deal Jamison now, which would have really been a great move for us. This lottery was a pretty big dagger. You could argue Griffin was the perfect fit for the Wizards more so than any team in the lottery.
I still think dealing Jamison is the right move, we just need to move his contract. If we don't deal him (again, don't think we will), my guess is we trade the pick along with either Thomas or James to shed some salary.
PaulBako
05-19-2009, 09:37 PM
I want Chris Bosh. Get rid of Jamison too.
YardBirds13
05-19-2009, 09:37 PM
Harden is another shoot first guard. Its only too bad the Wiz don't have any other shoot first guards.... :rolleyes:
Well that just isn't true.
Anyone who watched him at Arizona State saw how much of a team player he was. He basically ran their offense and was the leader of that match-up zone they run which takes a lot of BBall IQ to be the leader of.
He took a decent amount of shots because he had to, that ASU team didn't have a ton of talent, so at the end of shot clocks he would have to do a little one on one sometimes. By no means a ballhog.
Again, he would be the perfect compliment to Gilbert in the backcourt, and having a gunner like Nick Young on the bench would work perfectly.
YardBirds13
05-19-2009, 09:39 PM
I want Chris Bosh. Get rid of Jamison too.
We might be able to get Bosh and an expiring deal with Jamison, the #5, a guy like Crittendon or Young and Mike James/Etan Thomas.
The question is does Bosh put you over the top? I don't think so.
Floater
05-19-2009, 09:45 PM
Well that just isn't true.
Anyone who watched him at Arizona State saw how much of a team player he was. He basically ran their offense and was the leader of that match-up zone they run which takes a lot of BBall IQ to be the leader of.
He took a decent amount of shots because he had to, that ASU team didn't have a ton of talent, so at the end of shot clocks he would have to do a little one on one sometimes. By no means a ballhog.
Again, he would be the perfect compliment to Gilbert in the backcourt, and having a gunner like Nick Young on the bench would work perfectly.
I watched him as much as I could during college, he is no ball hog or a shoot first guard for that matter. He makes a lot of nice passes and their offense ran through him.
YardBirds13
05-19-2009, 09:48 PM
Chad Ford already has his first mock draft up and has the Wiz getting Harden at 5. Thinks it would be a perfect fit.
Obviously I agree.
I'll admit, I've had a Harden man-crush for a while now, so if we get him I will be pretty pumped.
Doyle Hargraves
05-19-2009, 10:49 PM
The bad things always happen to this Wizards franchise. :(
The Wizards only get "lucky" when the concensus top talent is someone like Kwame Brown.:rolleyes:
YardBirds13
05-19-2009, 10:56 PM
The Wizards only get "lucky" when the concensus top talent is someone like Kwame Brown.:rolleyes:
I refuse to be angry with that thought.
Sure it sucked.
But Kwame allowed us to trade for Caron.
That always makes me feel better.
Chad Ford already has his first mock draft up and has the Wiz getting Harden at 5. Thinks it would be a perfect fit.
Obviously I agree.
I'll admit, I've had a Harden man-crush for a while now, so if we get him I will be pretty pumped.Do you think there's a case for taking Tyreke Evans ahead of him? I liked what I saw from him a lot in the NCAA tournament, he's young, a great scorer, and he's got more size as well.
YardBirds13
05-19-2009, 11:56 PM
Do you think there's a case for taking Tyreke Evans ahead of him? I liked what I saw from him a lot in the NCAA tournament, he's young, a great scorer, and he's got more size as well.
You can definitely make a case for Evans. Great ballhandler, terrible shooter.
Harden isn't a great shooter, but he has a much better shot than Evans.
Harden is also more polished. Evans is more of a project because he is so young.
I do like Evans though, and I think he turns into a solid NBA player.
I like Harden more though.
MikeAD
05-20-2009, 01:35 AM
What a sham the draft lottery is :mad::angryfire:
Ruzious
05-20-2009, 11:30 AM
Please no Harden.
I want Jennings or DeMarr Derozan.
Zero chance. While they are talented, the Wiz want to win now - and those 2 are far too raw to contribute. Harden is probably their guy. Even though Evans has a ways to go, I could see him as a possibility because he's more advanced than Jennings and DD. They might go big with Hill - but his lack of offensive skill should disuade them.
I know he's a long shot because of his height, but I'd pick Lawson. The team needs speed plus insurance if Arenas gets hurt - and I think he could play very effectively with Arenas. Crittenton isn't the answer, imo.
PaulBako
05-20-2009, 03:01 PM
Zero chance. While they are talented, the Wiz want to win now - and those 2 are far too raw to contribute. Harden is probably their guy. Even though Evans has a ways to go, I could see him as a possibility because he's more advanced than Jennings and DD. They might go big with Hill - but his lack of offensive skill should disuade them.
I know he's a long shot because of his height, but I'd pick Lawson. The team needs speed plus insurance if Arenas gets hurt - and I think he could play very effectively with Arenas. Crittenton isn't the answer, imo.
I actually think Critt is very legit. And I think Lawson will be a major bust in the Nba as a first round pick (especially in top 5)
Dr. FLK
05-20-2009, 03:33 PM
Chad Ford already has his first mock draft up and has the Wiz getting Harden at 5. Thinks it would be a perfect fit.
Obviously I agree.
I'll admit, I've had a Harden man-crush for a while now, so if we get him I will be pretty pumped.
I admittedly didn't see Harden play much. But, I was completely underwhelmed by him in the tournament. Hopefully that was atypical play for him, because he looked slow.
square634
05-20-2009, 03:42 PM
Brandon Jennings was not particularly good in Italy. Granted, he's young, but he was statistically outclassed by Ibrahim Jaaber (I have to mention him since he's a Penn grad:D)
Pedro Cerrano
05-20-2009, 03:56 PM
If the Wizards can't get Jordan Hill or Rubio (doubtful, especially Rubio) they need to trade this pick.
PaulBako
05-20-2009, 04:02 PM
If the Wizards can't get Jordan Hill
Do not want!!!!
Pedro Cerrano
05-20-2009, 04:20 PM
Do not want!!!!
The Wiz could use a guy like him. Someone down low who is gritty and can also score.
Ruzious
05-20-2009, 05:01 PM
I actually think Critt is very legit. And I think Lawson will be a major bust in the Nba as a first round pick (especially in top 5)
Critter was given plenty of opportunity last season and showed very little play-making skills, poor judgement, no jump shot, and very little penetrating. What is it that you see in him? And why do you think Lawson will be a major bust? We've seen little guards like Brooks on Houston have a major impact. The rules they put in a few years ago (3 second defense in the lane, no hand-checking) favors quick penetrating guards who can finish - which is why guys like Jameer Nelson and Brooks have become so effective - and has been a big factor in Chris Paul's success. Even Felton - formerly of UNC - is becoming effective, and he's like a poor man's Lawson.
Ruzious
05-20-2009, 05:06 PM
The Wiz could use a guy like him. Someone down low who is gritty and can also score.
They could, but he'd be another big with questionable offensive skills. Here's a good write-up on him. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jordan-Hill-1222
He reminds me of Dale Davis coming out of Clemson - a good hard-nosed rebounder/defender but with big offensive limitations.
ccbird
05-20-2009, 05:08 PM
No more 2 or 3's especially when guys like Harden and Evans might not be any better than Nick Young. Ideally they can work out some trade whether it be to move down in the draft or for a very nice veteran addition to a this team. If not I think you got to go with either Jennings or Thabeet if either is there. If both are gone and nobody wants to trade up for the 5 pick I think worst case scenario is you have to reach and take Blair. While he is certainly limited the guy is going to be a very solid pro and will give the Wiz much needed help with interior defense and rebounding immediately.
YardBirds13
05-20-2009, 06:39 PM
I'm surprised people aren't higher on Harden. I'm guessing it's because he was in the Pac-10 and people only saw him in the Dance, when admittedly he wasn't at his best.
Remember the system he was in. Sendek's system isn't exactly the best for an NBA prospect to show his stuff. Again, I watched Harden alot this season (lots of FSN games on after ACC games), and I was totally impressed.
I think he fits in perfectly at the 2. Harden is heady and plays great D. So he is about the exact opposite of Young. Young would actually be a great compliment to Harden off the bench. And I don't mind Critt as the backup PG. I don't think he is anything special but I think he can service as your backup PG, especially when you can run the offense through a guy like Harden (he ran the ASU offense quite often).
Honestly, I'll be pissed if Harden is there and they don't take him. Unless they deal it. That's really the only other scenario that I'd like here. If Harden is gone, I am rooting hard for them to deal this.
I'm not a huge Jordan Hill fan.
Dr. FLK
05-21-2009, 07:50 AM
I'm surprised people aren't higher on Harden. I'm guessing it's because he was in the Pac-10 and people only saw him in the Dance, when admittedly he wasn't at his best..
That's exactly why I'm not excited. But, I definitely didn't see enough to say I definitively don't want to draft him. He just doesn't seem like "Top 5" talent. When I look at the mock drafts, I just don't see a bunch of people who like like good NBA players. The draft seems split between guys who "project" to be good, but could definitely flop...and guys like Hansbrough who most likely will be solid contributors in a small role, but have no star potential. The only guy locked into stardom appears to be Griffin.
IMO, the quantity of guys leaving early has killed the NBA draft.
I think he fits in perfectly at the 2. Harden is heady and plays great D. So he is about the exact opposite of Young. Young would actually be a great compliment to Harden off the bench. And I don't mind Critt as the backup PG. I don't think he is anything special but I think he can service as your backup PG, especially when you can run the offense through a guy like Harden (he ran the ASU offense quite often).
The Wiz have a 2. Gilbert Arenas.
The Wiz need a big man that can defend or a true point. Harden is another Nick Young.
No thanks.
beaner
05-26-2009, 11:36 PM
Harden can't shoot, and he's supposedly a #2. He scored in college, but I can't see him being able to create for himself in the league. I am not a fan of his game at the NBA level. I hope the Wizards trade the pick, either to get Rubio (if he stays in the draft), or trade down knowing this is one of the worst drafts in recent memory. Harden plays some D, had an NBA body, and is a good kid by all accounts, but not worthy of the #5 pick, even in a crappy draft.
The guy I want is DeRozan if they can't get Rubio. He's raw, but is such a great athlete he'll continue to improve.
Sports Guy
05-27-2009, 08:46 AM
Harden can't shoot, and he's supposedly a #2. He scored in college, but I can't see him being able to create for himself in the league. I am not a fan of his game at the NBA level. I hope the Wizards trade the pick, either to get Rubio (if he stays in the draft), or trade down knowing this is one of the worst drafts in recent memory. Harden plays some D, had an NBA body, and is a good kid by all accounts, but not worthy of the #5 pick, even in a crappy draft.
The guy I want is DeRozan if they can't get Rubio. He's raw, but is such a great athlete he'll continue to improve.
But knowing it is a crappy draft, why would anyone trade up?
What about Gerald Henderson for the Wiz?
beaner
05-27-2009, 09:27 AM
But knowing it is a crappy draft, why would anyone trade up?
What about Gerald Henderson for the Wiz?
They would only trade up if they could get Rubio. No other reason than that. Henderson is interesting, I could see it, but not at 5.
Sports Guy
05-27-2009, 10:11 AM
They would only trade up if they could get Rubio. No other reason than that. Henderson is interesting, I could see it, but not at 5.
Yea, he is likely a little bit of a reach at 5 but I think I would prefer him to Hardin.
Rubio would be perfect for the Wiz...I think a top PG is just as big a need as a big man for the Wiz.
beaner
05-27-2009, 11:36 AM
Yea, he is likely a little bit of a reach at 5 but I think I would prefer him to Hardin.
Rubio would be perfect for the Wiz...I think a top PG is just as big a need as a big man for the Wiz.
Rubio would be a dream pick for the Wiz. I don't think they need a big man really. Haywood has become a pretty decent player, and McGee, assuming he puts on some pounds might be a player. I heard a rumor they could trade McGee and the 5th to Oklahoma City so they could draft Thabeet. To me that would go down as bad as Kenny Green over Karl Malone in the eighties.
Pedro Cerrano
05-27-2009, 11:59 AM
Since Memphis will probably take Thabeet, the Wizards should be asking OKC what it would take to move from 5 to 3 (maybe the 5 and Javale McGee for the 3).
We need to draft in front of the Kings because there is no way they're passing on Rubio at 4.
beaner
05-27-2009, 12:13 PM
Since Memphis will probably take Thabeet, the Wizards should be asking OKC what it would take to move from 5 to 3 (maybe the 5 and Javale McGee for the 3).
We need to draft in front of the Kings because there is no way they're passing on Rubio at 4.
Exactly, I think that the only way the Wizards should move up is to get Rubio. No one else is worth it in my opinion. NOT THABEET!!