View Full Version : Mychal Givens speaks
ChaosLex
06-22-2009, 11:33 AM
Mychal Givens doesn't want anyone to misunderstand. He's not unhappy at all.
But he does admit, when the baseball First-Year Player Draft began on June 9th, he was surprised twice. First, that he was not drafted in round one and second that he was drafted by the Orioles.
"It was a little suprising it was the Orioles," Givens said. "But I'm glad they took me and one day I want to help them win the World Series.
"I was disappointed I fell (out of the first round). It is how it is."
Now comes the business part of the game, signing his first professional contract. Givens said that part could take some time.
"Right now we are taking it day by day. It's a slow process right now. We've just begun negotiating."
He has a verbal commitment to play college ball at Oklahoma State and said he has not completely ruled out playing at college.
"There is still a decision to make. It's not set 100 percent. I want to help my family financially. It looks like it may take some of the summer (to finish negotiations)."
Some scouts feel Givens defense and athleticism is solid, but question how much he will hit as a pro.
"Playing over the summer vs. top competition like Tyler Matzek, I held my own and gained confidence. I feel like I can make it with my bat and get to the big leagues in four or five years."
http://masnsports.com/2009/06/second-round-pick-suprised-it.html
QBsILLEST1
06-22-2009, 11:42 AM
This makes me a bit more confident in him signing. I havent seen him play, butI have the feeling that he will silence the critics about the questions with his bat.....
JTrea81
06-22-2009, 11:44 AM
Surprised, probably not in a good way. This guy sounds like a tough sign as he'll want first round money, probably close to what Hobgood will get. I'd hate to have wasted a pick on him if that's the case...
ChaosLex
06-22-2009, 11:47 AM
Surprised, probably not in a good way. This guy sounds like a tough sign as he'll want first round money, probably close to what Hobgood will get. I'd hate to have wasted a pick on him if that's the case...
Eh, worst case scenario, we get 2 second round draft picks next season. I can dig it. :clap3:
Skywalker76
06-22-2009, 11:48 AM
Surprised, probably not in a good way. This guy sounds like a tough sign as he'll want first round money, probably close to what Hobgood will get. I'd hate to have wasted a pick on him if that's the case...
I agree. If he does not sign that will be a big blow to the 2009 draft.
crawdad
06-22-2009, 11:48 AM
Surprised, probably not in a good way. This guy sounds like a tough sign as he'll want first round money, probably close to what Hobgood will get. I'd hate to have wasted a pick on him if that's the case...
Givens won't get 2.5MM. He is probably looking for something around 1MM, while the Orioles are trying to stick to slot around 0.65MM. The gap will narrow.
QBsILLEST1
06-22-2009, 11:51 AM
Givens won't get 2.5MM. He is probably looking for something around 1MM, while the Orioles are trying to stick to slot around 0.65MM. The gap will narrow.
The part that seals the deal for me is where it says that he wants to help his family financially. This to me means that he will sign, its just price they need to come to terms on. As we say here at the car dealership, "Price? Price is the easiest part of my job!"
He'll be an O, and if his bat doesnt work then we have ourselves a pitcher with a plus fastball.....
glenn__davis
06-22-2009, 11:54 AM
Sounds like fair comments to me. I think it may get a little dicey, but at the end of the day I expect him to sign after reading that.
He wants to help his family financially. He ain't doing that by spending at least two years at Oklahoma State. He'll sign or he'll got to a JC. I'm pretty sure he'll sign though.
wickedwitch
06-22-2009, 12:09 PM
I can't say what the O's budget is, but late 1st round slot money would seem fair to me.
Frobby
06-22-2009, 12:11 PM
I think he'll sign, but it's not clear he'll sign in time to get in a pretty complete season in 2009. I'd hate for him to waste 2009 in negotiations, which pretty much eliminates any chance of him starting with Delmarva in 2010.
QBsILLEST1
06-22-2009, 12:18 PM
I think he'll sign, but it's not clear he'll sign in time to get in a pretty complete season in 2009. I'd hate for him to waste 2009 in negotiations, which pretty much eliminates any chance of him starting with Delmarva in 2010.
Yeah, and the way it sounds, he needs as much time for development as possible. I wanna know how advanced his approach is at the plate. Im under the assumption that he is developmentally coming out of the draft in between where Hoes and Avery were, more advanced than Avery and less advanced than Hoes. As we have seen though, a guy with an advanced approach doesnt always perform better than one with a more raw approach....
wickedwitch
06-22-2009, 12:22 PM
Yeah, and the way it sounds, he needs as much time for development as possible. I wanna know how advanced his approach is at the plate. Im under the assumption that he is developmentally coming out of the draft in between where Hoes and Avery were, more advanced than Avery and less advanced than Hoes. As we have seen though, a guy with an advanced approach doesnt always perform better than one with a more raw approach....From what I've seen, he's more advanced than either.
DocJJ
06-22-2009, 12:29 PM
I've watched him play. No question about his agility, athleticism, arm, and speed. I think he can become a great shortstop. The problem is his bat.
Hopefully, our hitting instructors can work with him on his swing mechanics and pitch recognition. But our organization seems to have difficulty refining our hitters approach. Wieters and Markakis had the natural ability to hit. I'm not sure we've taken a raw project and imbued him with hitting ability.
hoosiers
06-22-2009, 12:44 PM
Surprised, probably not in a good way. This guy sounds like a tough sign as he'll want first round money, probably close to what Hobgood will get. I'd hate to have wasted a pick on him if that's the case...
For the rest of us, can you please provide what you expect Hobgood and Givens to receive?
I expect Hobgood to be around $2.5M and Givens to be closer to $1M. I would be surprised if Given received within $1M of Hobgood.
wickedwitch
06-22-2009, 12:46 PM
Not quite.
You only get a complimentary pick for not signing your pick if its in the first round.
No. It goes for the first five rounds.
QBsILLEST1
06-22-2009, 12:46 PM
I've watched him play. No question about his agility, athleticism, arm, and speed. I think he can become a great shortstop. The problem is his bat.
Hopefully, our hitting instructors can work with him on his swing mechanics and pitch recognition. But our organization seems to have difficulty refining our hitters approach. Wieters and Markakis had the natural ability to hit. I'm not sure we've taken a raw project and imbued him with hitting ability.
Well, Adam Jones has improcved his discipline at the big league level. In the minors, Snyder has improved, Avery has imrpoved as well......
Crazysilver03
06-22-2009, 12:51 PM
No. It goes for the first five rounds.
It does? I have never heard that rule. Can you point it out to me in the rule book?
EDIT: You are right:
MLB Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_Draft#Compensatory_Picks)
Teams can also earn compensation for unsigned picks from the previous year's draft. If a team doesn't sign a first or second round pick, they will get to pick at the same slot plus one the following year. For example, if the team with the #5 pick does not sign that player, they would have the #6 pick the following year. The regular draft order would continue around those picks. For compensation for not signing a third round pick, teams would get a pick in a supplemental round between the third and fourth rounds. If a team fails to sign a player with one of these compensated picks, there is no compensation the following year.
QBsILLEST1
06-22-2009, 01:33 PM
From what I've seen, he's more advanced than either.
I doubt that, Hoes had a very advanced approach for a prep kid. If Givens is more advanced than either, then there should be no questions about his bat and if it will translate over. What are some good comps/examples of HS kids who had questions about whether or not their bat would play in the pros and ended up being successful? .......
markpolis
06-22-2009, 01:44 PM
For the rest of us, can you please provide what you expect Hobgood and Givens to receive?
I expect Hobgood to be around $2.5M and Givens to be closer to $1M. I would be surprised if Given received within $1M of Hobgood.
Agreed. There is no way Givens even sniffs what Hobgood gets. Which leads us to the more important question... what is JTrea sniffing??? :bs:
birdman57
06-25-2009, 08:47 AM
How good is this kid anyways?? Should we be obsessing over him and hand him a million dollar contract if (a) his hitting is suspect and (b) he's a one pitch pitcher?? Seems like the money can be better spent with our other draft picks and next year we collect two #2s. Just my two cents:)
csgordos
06-25-2009, 12:14 PM
How good is this kid anyways?? Should we be obsessing over him and hand him a million dollar contract if (a) his hitting is suspect and (b) he's a one pitch pitcher?? Seems like the money can be better spent with our other draft picks and next year we collect two #2s. Just my two cents:)
I know if we don't sign our 1st round we get another pick next year. But is the same for the 2nd round? If so where does that actually stop. You don't get 2 47th rounds next year if this year's doesn't sign. Or am I wrong?
Stotle
06-25-2009, 12:16 PM
I know if we don't sign our 1st round we get another pick next year. But is the same for the 2nd round? If so where does that actually stop. You don't get 2 47th rounds next year if this year's doesn't sign. Or am I wrong?
First two rounds you get pick one behind the pick you had last year (so BAL would get 2:6 next year, provided the four teams ahead of them signed their second round pick). After that, I believe you get a pick at the end of the round (so BAL would get 3:31, 4:31, 5:31, etc.). I believe after the 5th you do not get a comp pick.
Anyone feel free to correct. I didn't feel like looking it up. :)
csgordos
06-25-2009, 12:25 PM
First two rounds you get pick one behind the pick you had last year (so BAL would get 2:6 next year, provided the four teams ahead of them signed their second round pick). After that, I believe you get a pick at the end of the round (so BAL would get 3:31, 4:31, 5:31, etc.). I believe after the 5th you do not get a comp pick.
Anyone feel free to correct. I didn't feel like looking it up. :)
So if we don't sign him are their going to be conspiracy threads created? In regards to we didn't really like anybody at this pick and wanted the pick next year? We are using his money to go overslot with others, etc? I am answering my own question by saying no to both, but I could be wrong.
As always, thanks again Stotle for your answer.:)
Stotle
06-25-2009, 12:35 PM
So if we don't sign him are their going to be conspiracy threads created? In regards to we didn't really like anybody at this pick and wanted the pick next year? We are using his money to go overslot with others, etc? I am answering my own question by saying no to both, but I could be wrong.
As always, thanks again Stotle for your answer.:)
I would hope not. Regardless of whether or not you agree with Givens being the best pick here, there were many quality players available, and it wouldn't be in Jordan's interest to punt picks. He makes his money by bringing in talent -- further, I believe some posted on here that signability would be a strong consideration for at least some of the picks.
That's not signability in a bad (cheap) way, but more that AM/Jordan seemed to want people they could get in the system quickly. I may be misremembering that last bit, so don't take this as gospel. Maybe someone else here remembers that discussion/post?
mdterpsrule
06-25-2009, 01:24 PM
First two rounds you get pick one behind the pick you had last year (so BAL would get 2:6 next year, provided the four teams ahead of them signed their second round pick). After that, I believe you get a pick at the end of the round (so BAL would get 3:31, 4:31, 5:31, etc.). I believe after the 5th you do not get a comp pick.
Anyone feel free to correct. I didn't feel like looking it up. :)
The team gets a draft pick immediately after their unsigned pick next year through the first two rounds. A team that fails to sign their third rd pick gets a sandwhich pick between third and fourth. After that I don't think you get compensation.
This is BA's write up of the new rules:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/news/262720.html
Teams that fail to sign a first-round pick no longer receive an extra pick after the first round as compensation, but instead a virtually identical pick the following year; for example, a team that fails to sign the No. 5 pick one year will receive the No. 6 pick the next, rather than one in the 30s or 40s. The same compensation also now exists for unsigned second-round picks, while a team that fails to sign a third-round pick will receive a sandwich pick between the third and fourth rounds.
UpstateNYfan
06-25-2009, 01:51 PM
How good is this kid anyways?? Should we be obsessing over him and hand him a million dollar contract if (a) his hitting is suspect and (b) he's a one pitch pitcher?? Seems like the money can be better spent with our other draft picks and next year we collect two #2s. Just my two cents:)
I am always intrigued by the value of collecting extra picks in the ML draft. It isn't like the NFL or NBA draft. The first two rounds drafted in those sports are guaranteed to sign because of those sports salary structures and virtually guaranteed to be on the team roster and play. Baseball is totally different. I wonder what the number of first round picks actually make it to the bigs and are at least average ballplayers? I also wonder if the HS or college player is the better risk? It really is a crap shoot.
Stotle
06-25-2009, 01:52 PM
The team gets a draft pick immediately after their unsigned pick next year through the first two rounds. A team that fails to sign their third rd pick gets a sandwhich pick between third and fourth. After that I don't think you get compensation.
This is BA's write up of the new rules:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/news/262720.html
So subtract the 4th and 5th round and I had it. I knew Houston got a third supp comp, but couldn't remember if 4th and 5th rounds got similar comps.
Thanks.
mdterpsrule
06-25-2009, 01:57 PM
So subtract the 4th and 5th round and I had it. I knew Houston got a third supp comp, but couldn't remember if 4th and 5th rounds got similar comps.
Thanks.
Yeah you were right with the exception of the 4th and 5th rounds I think. I haven't seen anything that said you don't get a compensation 4th or 5th rounder but I couldn't find anything that says you do either.
Stotle
06-25-2009, 01:58 PM
Yeah you were right with the exception of the 4th and 5th rounds I think. I haven't seen anything that said you don't get a compensation 4th or 5th rounder but I couldn't find anything that says you do either.
No, I am sure you are right. For some reason, I thought 1st five rounds were guaranteed. Thanks for the correction.
Avery got 900K last year and he had football & college as options. That 900K was well over slot too. I doubt very much that Givens even gets the 900K. I think he either signs for something close to slot or goes back into next year's draft pool. Either way, I bet he never takes a class at Oklahoma State.
Stotle
06-25-2009, 02:19 PM
Avery got 900K last year and he had football & college as options. That 900K was well over slot too. I doubt very much that Givens even gets the 900K. I think he either signs for something close to slot or goes back into next year's draft pool. Either way, I bet he never takes a class at Oklahoma State.
Personally, I think that would be a mistake. I can't see him getting drafted higher than 2:5 next year out of JuCo. If he wants more than BAL is offering, I think he's better off refining his game a little at Okie State.
JTrea81
06-25-2009, 03:00 PM
For the rest of us, can you please provide what you expect Hobgood and Givens to receive?
I expect Hobgood to be around $2.5M and Givens to be closer to $1M. I would be surprised if Given received within $1M of Hobgood.
Hobgood will get less than slot money IMO, probably in in the neighborhood of $2.2 million as he is any easy sign and Givens is probably asking for $1-1.5 million because he thought he was supposed to be a first rounder.
I expect the Orioles to offer him $750-$800 K or so and he'll either take it or walk.
Stotle
06-25-2009, 03:21 PM
Hobgood will get less than slot money IMO, probably in in the neighborhood of $2.2 million as he is any easy sign and Givens is probably asking for $1-1.5 million because he thought he was supposed to be a first rounder.
I expect the Orioles to offer him $750-$800 K or so and he'll either take it or walk.
I agree with Hobgood being less than $2.5mios. I think $1-1.5mios is too much for Givens, but am agnostic as to whether or not he would ask for that much.
Moose Milligan
06-25-2009, 07:52 PM
Surprised, probably not in a good way. This guy sounds like a tough sign as he'll want first round money, probably close to what Hobgood will get. I'd hate to have wasted a pick on him if that's the case...
:laughlol::laughlol::laughlol: OH NO WE HAVE TO SIGN OVER SLOT!!! :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: :laughlol::laughlol::laughlol:
Quick MacPhail! Give this kid a lot of money so the organization is no longer perceived as cheap!!!!