View Full Version : Thirteen Years Ago Tonight...
BaltimoreTerp
10-09-2009, 09:52 PM
<img src="http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/Orioles/untitled.jpg"></img> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Maier)
Almost to the minute I'm posting, most likely, too.
I can't decide to end this with
1) "Never forget..."
or
2) "Lucky thirteen. Next year will be the year."
You all can choose...
beaner
10-09-2009, 09:53 PM
<img src="http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/Orioles/untitled.jpg"></img>
Almost to the minute I'm posting, most likely, too.
I can't decide to end this with
1) "Never forget..."
or
2) "Lucky thirteen. Next year will be the year."
Ya'll can choose :D
How about, "Thanks Beaner, for pointing this out and allowing me to take credit for it" ;)
Seriously though, how the heck did Garcia miss that??
Moose Milligan
10-09-2009, 09:54 PM
*%$# that kid in the neck.
BaltimoreTerp
10-09-2009, 10:01 PM
How about, "Thanks Beaner, for pointing this out and allowing me to take credit for it" ;)
Seriously though, how the heck did Garcia miss that??
Hush you ;)
ChaosLex
10-09-2009, 10:06 PM
And AROID hits a 2-run HR in the 9th to tie the game.
There are times when I really wanna say ":cussing: this sport."
cindyluvsbrady
10-09-2009, 10:09 PM
<img src="http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/Orioles/untitled.jpg"></img> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Maier)
Almost to the minute I'm posting, most likely, too.
I can't decide to end this with
1) "Never forget..."
or
2) "Lucky thirteen. Next year will be the year."
You all can choose...
I am still very angry about this:angryfire:
I will not forget what HE did!:mad:
weams
10-09-2009, 10:11 PM
Life will not be kind to that young man.
scOtt
10-09-2009, 10:12 PM
I can't post what I'm thinking...
ccbird
10-09-2009, 10:18 PM
Not that I'll ever forget or forgive, but '97 still scars me more than '96. NY beat us 3 straight in Baltimore and was the better team that year. On the other hand, we were the best team in baseball in '97 and choked away 3 games in that Cleveland series. I still have nightmares involving Benitez, Webster,Grissom, and Fernandez
Malike
10-09-2009, 10:22 PM
How about, "Thanks Beaner, for pointing this out and allowing me to take credit for it" ;)
Seriously though, how the heck did Garcia miss that??
Who is Garcia?
beaner
10-09-2009, 10:23 PM
Not that I'll ever forget or forgive, but '97 still scars me more than '96. NY beat us 3 straight in Baltimore and was the better team that year. On the other hand, we were the best team in baseball in '97 and choked away 3 games in that Cleveland series. I still have nightmares involving Benitez, Webster,Grissom, and Fernandez
100% agreed!! That Cleveland series still kills me to this day. Anything weird that could possibly have happened, did in that series. The Webster play, allowing TWO runs to score on a wild pitch, the double play in the first inning of game 6, and of course Benitez...
scottbbfm
10-09-2009, 10:30 PM
And the Yankees were the recipients of another Terrible call tonight on mauer's shouldve been double
ChaosLex
10-09-2009, 10:33 PM
I really really really hate this sport at times.
Can't wait to see t-bag's :cussing: eating grin when he hoists the World Series trophy! :rolleyes:
PaulBako
10-09-2009, 10:36 PM
lol horse face hit a walkoff homerun
scOtt
10-09-2009, 10:36 PM
The umpire who somehow missed that call. I believe his first name was Richie. He was stationed on the right field line.
We saw something similar tonight. How the heck did Cuzzi miss that call down the LF line. I suspect Twins fans will be talking about that for a long time. And, of course, as I write this Teixeira ends the game. :angryfire:
And to be fair... I've seen Garcia interviewed. He seems like a good enough guy, just missed THAT call.
IIRC he was one of the umpires who resigned (union strike) and wasn't called back.
beaner
10-09-2009, 10:38 PM
Twins left runners on in every inning tonight, you can't beat a good team when you waste so many chances..
Art Wing
10-09-2009, 10:41 PM
Twins left runners on in every inning tonight, you can't beat a good team when you waste so many chances..
I agree but how could two ups blow that obvious Mauer double?
Conspiracy?:o:leaving:
beaner
10-09-2009, 10:44 PM
I agree but how could two ups blow that obvious Mauer double?
Conspiracy?:o:leaving:
They missed it, terrible call, what can you do? Still gotta score with bases loaded, no outs.
Dr. Andrews
10-09-2009, 10:49 PM
I can't post what I'm thinking...
hahahah samesies
PrivateO
10-09-2009, 11:03 PM
I hate Mark Teixiera.
Mad Mark
10-09-2009, 11:04 PM
Not that I'll ever forget or forgive, but '97 still scars me more than '96. NY beat us 3 straight in Baltimore and was the better team that year. On the other hand, we were the best team in baseball in '97 and choked away 3 games in that Cleveland series. I still have nightmares involving Benitez, Webster,Grissom, and Fernandez
My classic memory of that series? Watching Hirschbeck punch out Roberto Alomar on a ball that was six inches off the plate to end the series.
That Orioles team would have smoked the Marlins...too bad they never got there.
beaner
10-09-2009, 11:06 PM
My classic memory of that series? Watching Hirschbeck punch out Roberto Alomar on a ball that was six inches off the plate to end the series.
That Orioles team would have smoked the Marlins...too bad they never got there.
And Alomar's leap in frustration, that was brutal. The whole series was just beyond strange.
Moose Milligan
10-09-2009, 11:22 PM
Whenver I see these photos or am reminded of this incident, I always wonder what happened to Tony Tarasco. Wiki says he's the hitting coach for the Hagerstown Suns.
Tarasco wasn't a good player or anything, but I always look back on him fondly. Poor dude looked so helpless pointing up at the stands.
scOtt
10-09-2009, 11:23 PM
No you can't - especially in extras when you have the bases loaded with no outs.
Yeah. What '70 said. :(
grady41
10-09-2009, 11:28 PM
correct you need to score with bases loaded and nobody out, but had it been a double what would of happened? You can say 2 more singles,but no one really lnows. I cannot believe the umps missed the call. Even more so, what cool the manager of the Twins, never even complained (at least on TV).
Go Twins!!!
beaner
10-09-2009, 11:34 PM
correct you need to score with bases loaded and nobody out, but had it been a double what would of happened? You can say 2 more singles,but no one really lnows. I cannot believe the umps missed the call. Even more so, what cool the manager of the Twins, never even complained (at least on TV).
Go Twins!!!
The crew chief gave an interview during the press conferences and said they just missed the call, and the ump (Cuzzi) felt awful. I don't remember Garcia admitting his error on the Maier play until years later...He held his ground for a while if I remember correctly. Good to see the umps admit the mistake tonight, although the Twins fans probably don't agree.
clarence
10-09-2009, 11:46 PM
I can't believe it's been that long. Man, life goes fast.
scOtt
10-09-2009, 11:54 PM
I can't believe it's been that long. Man, life goes fast.
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. - Ferris Bueller
;)
ejf1025
10-10-2009, 12:17 AM
Not that I'll ever forget or forgive, but '97 still scars me more than '96. NY beat us 3 straight in Baltimore and was the better team that year. On the other hand, we were the best team in baseball in '97 and choked away 3 games in that Cleveland series. I still have nightmares involving Benitez, Webster,Grissom, and Fernandez
Yup.
Game 6 was and remains the only time I've cried for a sporting event.
SoCal
10-10-2009, 12:28 AM
richie garcia. damn that man!
The Rick
10-10-2009, 12:48 AM
Who is Garcia?
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chad422
10-10-2009, 04:06 AM
Am I wrong, but didn't Garcia blow another call later in the same game down the rightfield line? It may not have been the same game, but the same series perhaps?
tvz1997
10-10-2009, 05:57 AM
Yup.
Game 6 was and remains the only time I've cried for a sporting event.
Orioles v Blue Jays in the last series of the '89 regular season. I was eleven years old and totally caught up in a young Os team that was built on hope and shinola. The Maier catch will never be as inconceivable to me as stepping on a nail before one of the biggest starts of your life. After the horror that was '88, '89 seemed so much bigger.
Thankfully, I am far more jaded towards the MLB and realize that a team like that would never have a chance in the current AL East. The Yankees went 74-87 that year.
cindyluvsbrady
10-10-2009, 06:01 AM
Yup.
Game 6 was and remains the only time I've cried for a sporting event.
I cried for hours:002_scry:!
I can't believe it's been 13 years. I was 13 years old when that happened and in middle school. I'm pretty sure that incident is really what started my intense hatred for the Skanks.
Mad Mark
10-10-2009, 11:02 AM
The crew chief gave an interview during the press conferences and said they just missed the call, and the ump (Cuzzi) felt awful. I don't remember Garcia admitting his error on the Maier play until years later...He held his ground for a while if I remember correctly. Good to see the umps admit the mistake tonight, although the Twins fans probably don't agree.
Garcia not only didn't admit to an error, he spent quite a bit of time signing autographs for Yankee$ fans when the series came to Baltimore.
QBsILLEST1
10-10-2009, 11:25 AM
I didnt know Dave Chappelle was at that game.....
beaner
10-10-2009, 11:34 AM
Garcia not only didn't admit to an error, he spent quite a bit of time signing autographs for Yankee$ fans when the series came to Baltimore.
Yea, that's what I thought. He admits it now, and Cal recently joked that he saw him somewhere and he didn't want to shake his hand at first. He was mostly kidding.
SilentJames
10-10-2009, 11:51 AM
I can't believe it's been 13 years. I was 13 years old when that happened and in middle school. I'm pretty sure that incident is really what started my intense hatred for the Skanks.
Seriously.
And it wasn't even the kid - I mean they gave the kid a spot in the parade. They KNEW that they got a BS call in their favor, they KNEW that the kid saved that series for them.
They KNEW it.
El Gordo
10-10-2009, 11:59 AM
Garcia not only didn't admit to an error, he spent quite a bit of time signing autographs for Yankee$ fans when the series came to Baltimore.He did to the fans in the stands that day. I spoke to a guy who was there in the RF seats and he said Garcia was joking about why he was even needed. Then after the Maeir play he said, "look at that, I shouldn't even be here, and I get a play and I :cussing: it up."
El Gordo
10-10-2009, 12:04 PM
Like the TV crew said, he couldn't see where the ball landed from the bench. Apparently those on the bench didn't know it landed foul until Cabrera came out from the clubhouse and told them. The person I would question on that is the 3B Coach - where was he? Of course, it wouldn't have mattered because they wouldn't have changed the ruling.If you look at replays you can see that the Cuzzi is directly between the 3B coach and the play. Given how tight it is, in the corner there, the only person who could see the play live, was Cuzzi.
weams
10-10-2009, 02:49 PM
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. - Ferris Bueller
;)
Take it from me. Enjoy it and savor it. It flys by at an accelerated pace the closer you get to the station...something about a Doppler Shift.
ShoelesJoe
10-10-2009, 03:34 PM
How about, "Thanks Beaner, for pointing this out and allowing me to take credit for it" ;)
Seriously though, how the heck did Garcia miss that??
Garcia didn't "miss" it. He decided to send a message to Alomar, and the O's organization that you don't *&%# with umpires. MLB knew that's what really happened which is why Garcia was one of the few umps not allowed back on the field after their aborted strike in 1999.
ShaneDawg85
10-10-2009, 03:35 PM
This is one of those moments I try very hard to forget, if only because it's been beaten to death so many times. The play definitely had an effect on the outcome of the game, but I've wrestled with the thought in my mind about whether or not the O's would have won the series even if the play hadn't happened, or even if had happened and they'd won. Had they won Game 1, as things turned out, they would have come back to Baltimore up 2-0, but they of course lost all the games in Baltimore, two of which I was there to bear witness to, including the infamous Todd Zeile throw.
The play sucked, it was bogus, and it's been put on a pedestal and almost rubbed in our face for thirteen years. But at the end of the day, there were still other chances to beat the Yankees and that series, and we just couldn't do it.
Birds of B'more
10-10-2009, 03:54 PM
I can't believe it's been 13 years. I was 13 years old when that happened and in middle school. I'm pretty sure that incident is really what started my intense hatred for the Skanks.
I was in the Air Force, deployed to Bosnia-Herzegovina but temporarily assigned to NATO in Naples, Italy at the time. I still remember waking up at about 2am to watch the game on Armed Forces Network. My plan was to get an hour or so of shut-eye after the game too, but for obvious reasons it was days before I could get a decent night's sleep again. Weird, how in many ways it seems like it happened just recently, but at the same moment it feels like a lifetime ago.
RShack
10-10-2009, 04:03 PM
Garcia didn't "miss" it. He decided to send a message to Alomar, and the O's organization that you don't *&%# with umpires. MLB knew that's what really happened which is why Garcia was one of the few umps not allowed back on the field after their aborted strike in 1999.
Um, yeah, that's right (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b198/rshackelford/tin-foil-hat.jpg)...
ccbird
10-11-2009, 02:21 AM
This is one of those moments I try very hard to forget, if only because it's been beaten to death so many times. The play definitely had an effect on the outcome of the game, but I've wrestled with the thought in my mind about whether or not the O's would have won the series even if the play hadn't happened, or even if had happened and they'd won. Had they won Game 1, as things turned out, they would have come back to Baltimore up 2-0, but they of course lost all the games in Baltimore, two of which I was there to bear witness to, including the infamous Todd Zeile throw.
The play sucked, it was bogus, and it's been put on a pedestal and almost rubbed in our face for thirteen years. But at the end of the day, there were still other chances to beat the Yankees and that series, and we just couldn't do it.
The Yankees were the better team in that series. We bounced back nice in Game 2 and had the momentum heading back to Baltimore and fell flat on our faces in 3 straight games. Let's also remember that that play was in the bottom of the 8th inning and only tied the game. We didn't lose the game on that play and there is no guarantee we win that game even if the correct call is made.
ccbird
10-11-2009, 02:43 AM
Um, yeah, that's right (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b198/rshackelford/tin-foil-hat.jpg)...
I'm not one for conspiracy theories but I've always wondered about that call after the stink made by the umpires union over the Alomar incident heading into the playoffs. I mean how do you miss that when you are right there. Garcia's immediate reaction to Tarasco seemed pretty suspect to me too. I'm not saying the umpires huddled in a room and decided to screw the O's over if they got a chance but I've always questioned Garcia's motives. At the very least, even if he had no preconceived bias, he got caught up in the moment of being in a big game at Yankee Stadium, froze, and was afraid to make the correct call. I can't and won't accept that he was in perfect position to see what everyone else in the stadium saw and simply missed it.
ShaneDawg85
10-11-2009, 09:32 AM
The Yankees were the better team in that series. We bounced back nice in Game 2 and had the momentum heading back to Baltimore and fell flat on our faces in 3 straight games. Let's also remember that that play was in the bottom of the 8th inning and only tied the game. We didn't lose the game on that play and there is no guarantee we win that game even if the correct call is made.
Oh I'm in agreement completely. We had our chances even after the play in Game 1 and couldn't come through, and three games in Baltimore in front of the most insane baseball crowds I can remember, and we couldn't win a game. Maybe we win those 2 games and take the series, maybe we don't. But I'm still not sure we do. Either way, the 1997 team was better and our better shot at winning it all, and we know how that one turned out.
Birds08
10-14-2009, 05:36 PM
Oh I'm in agreement completely. We had our chances even after the play in Game 1 and couldn't come through, and three games in Baltimore in front of the most insane baseball crowds I can remember, and we couldn't win a game. Maybe we win those 2 games and take the series, maybe we don't. But I'm still not sure we do. Either way, the 1997 team was better and our better shot at winning it all, and we know how that one turned out.
Wouldn't we have had Randy Myers coming in for the ninth? He would've closed it out.
ShaneDawg85
10-14-2009, 07:08 PM
Wouldn't we have had Randy Myers coming in for the ninth? He would've closed it out.
Myers, as it turns out, was actually the one who gave up the winning run in Game 1. Although admittedly he had come on in the 9th to relieve Terry Matthews, and stayed on into the 11th. Gave up the home run to Bernie Williams on the 3rd pitch of the at-bat. The story of the game was that the O's couldn't score after the 6th inning, and we ended up locked in a battle of the bullpens. We had a couple of hits and men on from that point on, but we just couldn't get the hit.
Game 3 was our best bet to win after the win in Game 2, where we had a 2-1 lead going in to the 8th inning. But the offense went cold after the first, and that was all she wrote. We only managed three hits the entire game. Mussina had pitched a good game up until that point, but as always seemed to be the case the offense let him down, the Yanks got a big inning off Moose in the 8th, and there went the series.
TakebackOPACY
10-24-2009, 05:56 AM
I remember the '96 Yankee series and the Jeffrey ****** Maier play like it was yesterday. Tarasco was parked under the ball just waiting for it to come down.
I 'hate' Jeffrey Maier by association. It's not a 12-year-old kid who made a mistake that I hate. I hate the fact that the kid was treated like a hero by the New York media, and by association the national media. This kid, who by rule should've been thrown out of the stadium, made several appearances as a hero on national New York based TV shows!! And he was ceremoniously given the keys to the city!! How freakin' sad is it to celebrate CHEATING, albeit unintentional, to that extent. It's completely sick that adults would partake in that behavior!!!!!! They should be ashamed and embarassed!! I don't know what else to say.
Riggodrill44
02-12-2010, 02:18 AM
Did anyone watch this game tonight?I did.....OMG it still does it to me.My son ran into the room because he wanted to know why I was cussing out an umpire.
In a way it was good to see again,you forget details over time.In the top of the ninth we had 2 on 2 out with Alomar at the plate.Wetterland pitching.It goes to 3-0 and he threw a FB 6 inches off the plate for strike 1.I cursed the ump.Then he threw the same pitch for strike 2..I'm cussing the umps and the yankees in unison.Alomar struck out swinging on a low FB.
the thing I bet noone remembers is the play Tarasco got interfered with in the 10th,almost the same thing except it was a foul ball.Fan stuck his hand over the railing in right field corner,knocked the ball away from Tarasco.They again said he didn't interfer.
cindyluvsbrady
02-12-2010, 03:12 PM
Did anyone watch this game tonight?I did.....OMG it still does it to me.My son ran into the room because he wanted to know why I was cussing out an umpire.
In a way it was good to see again,you forget details over time.In the top of the ninth we had 2 on 2 out with Alomar at the plate.Wetterland pitching.It goes to 3-0 and he threw a FB 6 inches off the plate for strike 1.I cursed the ump.Then he threw the same pitch for strike 2..I'm cussing the umps and the yankees in unison.Alomar struck out swinging on a low FB.
the thing I bet noone remembers is the play Tarasco got interfered with in the 10th,almost the same thing except it was a foul ball.Fan stuck his hand over the railing in right field corner,knocked the ball away from Tarasco.They again said he didn't interfer.
I will NEVER recover from this:angryfire:
I did not know it was on TV last night!
Riggodrill44
02-12-2010, 06:36 PM
It was on the yankee classic channel.It still sucked!