View Full Version : Strasburg to AA
Moose Milligan
03-20-2010, 10:54 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2010/news/story?id=5012625
ChrisP
03-20-2010, 10:59 AM
I think he'll start the day after the Super 2 day..
Avsfan
03-20-2010, 11:10 AM
Ultimately it's the right decision...I don't doubt that he could get a fair amount of major league hitters out...apparently his mechanics are amazing.
He's just never been challenged and to go college --> majors is a big jump, especially for someone that has THAT much money on his shoulder/elbow.
EL_Coyote
03-20-2010, 11:38 AM
It's a smart move. Why risk hurrying such a great talent? Apart from the money investment, he didn't seem all that thrilled with the attention received in his ML debut last year. Let him earn his way up and perhaps he will appreciate it more.
Giving young players too much too soon has many consequences.
Stotle
03-20-2010, 11:49 AM
Can't wait to see him in the bigs.
waroriole
03-20-2010, 12:07 PM
I'm excited for this since I live in Harrisburg.
weams
03-20-2010, 04:04 PM
I'm excited for this since I live in Harrisburg.
As do I. We will have to have a Hangout on City Island. I bet I can get him rattled ;)
JTrea81
03-20-2010, 07:24 PM
An arm has only so much mileage in it, so they should have brought him north if he was ready.
And I don't see anything that says he wasn't.
He's going to be wasting precious pitches down there...
SteveA
03-20-2010, 08:07 PM
As do I. We will have to have a Hangout on City Island. I bet I can get him rattled ;)
Went to a game there about 15 or 20 years ago, when they were an Expos' farm team. Sat under a giant light pole and the entire game, suicide bugs were flying into the light, dying, and falling down and landing on our heads.
SteveA
03-20-2010, 08:07 PM
An arm has only so much mileage in it, so they should have brought him north if he was ready.
And I don't see anything that says he wasn't.
He's going to be wasting precious pitches down there...
Supposedly they want him to work on slowing down his delivery from the stretch.
Lefty0315
03-20-2010, 09:03 PM
I am going to call Stasburg's debut for the weekend series against the O's in Washington. We are down near the end of May.
weams
03-20-2010, 09:12 PM
Supposedly they want him to work on slowing down his arbitration/free agency clock.
Just my opinion.
Can_of_corn
03-20-2010, 09:53 PM
An arm has only so much mileage in it, so they should have brought him north if he was ready.
And I don't see anything that says he wasn't.
He's going to be wasting precious pitches down there...
Ok, lets say the above statement is true.
What are the odds that he will be pitching for the Nats say 10 years from now?
They need to get the most out of him while he is under team control, and that means seven seasons not six and no super 2.
cmcgarvey
03-21-2010, 02:20 AM
Ok, lets say the above statement is true.
What are the odds that he will be pitching for the Nats say 10 years from now?
They need to get the most out of him while he is under team control, and that means seven seasons not six and no super 2.Isn't he on a five year contract?
Can_of_corn
03-21-2010, 08:37 AM
Isn't he on a five year contract?
They will still have control of him for the 6/7 years.
JTrea81
03-21-2010, 01:10 PM
Ok, lets say the above statement is true.
What are the odds that he will be pitching for the Nats say 10 years from now?
They need to get the most out of him while he is under team control, and that means seven seasons not six and no super 2.
He seems to be more like a Prior IMO.
Therefore you need to get what you can out of him before he has a career ending injury.
I don't see him lasting more than 3-4 years in MLB let alone 6-10.
vatech1994
03-21-2010, 01:58 PM
He seems to be more like a Prior IMO.
Therefore you need to get what you can out of him before he has a career ending injury.
I don't see him lasting more than 3-4 years in MLB let alone 6-10.
Nice hand sir...
scOtt
03-21-2010, 02:42 PM
He seems to be more like a Prior IMO.
Therefore you need to get what you can out of him before he has a career ending injury.
I don't see him lasting more than 3-4 years in MLB let alone 6-10.
You can't bank on that. You bet on the sure thing, the extra year of control. It's the same debate as we had last year... what was an extra two months of Wieters going to do for our record? Nothing.
JTrea81
03-21-2010, 03:02 PM
You can't bank on that. You bet on the sure thing, the extra year of control. It's the same debate as we had last year... what was an extra two months of Wieters going to do for our record? Nothing.
Pitchers are different than position players.
How many guys that can throw 100 MPH do you know that have had long careers?
Service time should not matter for pitchers.
ledzepp8
03-21-2010, 03:38 PM
Pitchers are different than position players.
How many guys that can throw 100 MPH do you know that have had long careers?
Service time should not matter for pitchers.
I always love when people say things like this. You ask a question that you couldn't answer yourself and yet you think you've somehow won the argument.
You can't bank on that. You bet on the sure thing, the extra year of control. It's the same debate as we had last year... what was an extra two months of Wieters going to do for our record? Nothing.
Yeah, and what's an extra couple wins or so going to do for the Nats this year? Nothing. So even if he does get hurt before his service time is up, what have they lost by keeping him down to start the year?
waroriole
03-21-2010, 03:45 PM
Pitchers are different than position players.
How many guys that can throw 100 MPH do you know that have had long careers?
Service time should not matter for pitchers.
Nolan Ryan
Can_of_corn
03-21-2010, 03:56 PM
Nolan Ryan
Walter Johnson and Bob Feller had ok careers as well...
Smoky Joe Wood made it seven years before he was effectively done.
Your really hard thowers tend to have more of an issue with Command and Movement then they do with injury.
waroriole
03-21-2010, 04:14 PM
Walter Johnson and Bob Feller had ok careers as well...Smoky Joe Wood made it seven years before he was effectively done.
Your really hard thowers tend to have more of an issue with Command and Movement then they do with injury.
That's true. John Smoltz and Randy Johnson did OK for themselves also.
scOtt
03-21-2010, 04:29 PM
And even all these example of guys who had long careers can be met with a list of Matt Rileys. It's not germane to the issue. Stretching out the service time clock is a business decision, a huge new loophole discovered by TB. It has nothing to do with health or longevity, it's just the way business is done now.
Can_of_corn
03-21-2010, 04:34 PM
Stretching out the service time clock is a business decision, a huge new loophole discovered by TB.
The Brewers and Ryan Braun say Hi!
scOtt
03-21-2010, 04:41 PM
The Brewers and Ryan Braun say Hi!
:p I wasn't exactly sure.
JTrea81
03-21-2010, 04:44 PM
With the fragile nature of pitchers these days, the way I see it, you are lucky if they can continue to perform at a high level in 6 years.
If you are that lucky, well then you need to decide if you think they'll continue to pitch at that high level or else you trade them or let them walk.
But I would try to get every pitch I can from that arm at the ML level while it's still healthy.
waroriole
03-21-2010, 04:45 PM
With the fragile nature of pitchers these days, the way I see it, you are lucky if they can continue to perform at a high level in 6 years.
If you are that lucky, well then you need to decide if you think they'll continue to pitch at that high level or else you trade them or let them walk.
But I would try to get every pitch I can from that arm at the ML level while it's still healthy.
Aren't you the guy who wanted to sign Lackey?
weams
03-21-2010, 05:03 PM
Armando Benitez.
ledzepp8
03-21-2010, 05:07 PM
Aren't you the guy who wanted to sign Lackey?
Yeah because he's the guy that wants to trade all rookies/prospects for older players and sign any "premium" FA talent.
waroriole
03-21-2010, 05:23 PM
Yeah because he's the guy that wants to trade all rookies/prospects for older players and sign any "premium" FA talent.
Oh I know, just pointing out another of his contradictions. Also, hoping that he will avoid this thread now.
JTrea81
03-21-2010, 05:37 PM
Aren't you the guy who wanted to sign Lackey?
Lackey is still quite effective, he made it past his arm and shoulder issues which he encountered around age 29.
With the fragile nature of pitchers these days, the way I see it, you are lucky if they can continue to perform at a high level in 6 years.
If you are that lucky, well then you need to decide if you think they'll continue to pitch at that high level or else you trade them or let them walk.
But I would try to get every pitch I can from that arm at the ML level while it's still healthy.
Well you have the chance to get more pitches if you control the guy an extra year. If the Nats were a contender, your argument would have merit, but since they're far from it, it doesn't. Even if there's only a 10% chance he's healthy for that 7th year, I'll take that over a few extra starts to begin this year. His trade value will also be higher in the future with that extra year of control.
vatech1994
03-21-2010, 06:42 PM
Aren't you the guy who wanted to sign Lackey?
Yes, he did. The man couldn't spell "consistent" if he was reading it from this post. Hence my "nice hand sir" post. When the worst player at the table tries to justify their crazy 3 outer that just hit, this is the only good response. It is the only way to reply to nonsense that doesn't drive a sane person crazy IMO.
vatech1994
03-21-2010, 06:45 PM
Lackey is still quite effective, he made it past his arm and shoulder issues which he encountered around age 29.
Lackey is a good bet not to hurt his arm in the future because he has previously hurt his arm so it is behind him? This makes as much sense as saying "I drew to that inside straight against a paired board because I didn't hit it the last three times I tried it. I was due".
Again, I say "Nice hand sir..."
waroriole
03-21-2010, 07:48 PM
Yes, he did. The man couldn't spell "consistent" if he was reading it from this post. Hence my "nice hand sir" post. When the worst player at the table tries to justify their crazy 3 outer that just hit, this is the only good response. It is the only way to reply to nonsense that doesn't drive a sane person crazy IMO.
That's funny, I'll have to try that.
jjdman
03-23-2010, 08:17 AM
Pitchers are different than position players.
How many guys that can throw 100 MPH do you know that have had long careers?
Service time should not matter for pitchers.
You would have had Matusz up on opening day last year? BTW I have some dancers coming over to party so could you hook me up with your dearler? ;)
Frobby
03-23-2010, 08:41 AM
Pitchers are different than position players.
How many guys that can throw 100 MPH do you know that have had long careers?
Service time should not matter for pitchers.
You are so, so wrong. Yeah, that Nolan Ryan sure had a short career. And Randy Johnson. And Roger Clemens (OK, he had a little help).
The Washington Post ran an article in which they calculated that bringing Strasburg straight to the majors could cost the team about $18 mm extra compared with keeping himm down past a safe Super-2 date. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/19/AR2010031904323.html So if you don't think service time matters for pitchers, think again.